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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe Hillary Clinton should have made more promises she couldn't keep, like Trump.
She should have told everybody who lost their steel, coal, or manufacturing job they would get a $100,000.00 stipend to learn a new trade or do what they want.
JHan
(10,173 posts)We will never learn.
doc03
(35,395 posts)I never heard her talk about anything but Trump is bad. There was no campaign in Ohio except in
the big cities. I saw numerous people on DU including myself that brought up the fact she was going to lose Ohio and PA
and we were labeled concern trolls. I did hear her say we are going to put a lot of coal miners
and coal companies out of work and never any response to that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Damn. I've never seen so many democrats who refused to even give a listen. Why is that?
doc03
(35,395 posts)played was her talking about Trump. Where were they when 16 Republicans got down in the gutter with
Trump and lost? That is the definition of insanity when you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Was talking policy prescriptions but that was a lie.
They spent very very little time on policy and when they did- it was something like 80% her opponents framing her policy. the bulk of the coverage was "emails" and whatever crazy shit Donald tweeted.
The MSM led the American people by the nose all year and only pretended to feel some guilt about it when newspapers revealed they had been printing lies without skewing them for months. They pretended to have a conscience about it for 3-4 weeks and then jumped back on the email "scandal". I've never seen such horrible coverage. Am cancelling cable and letting them know it's the "news".
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)She won the Democratic primary playing it straight - but people really, really like those promises. If you know what I mean.
Maybe Democrats don't win making promises they can't keep <cough> <cough> <Obama>.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)If she made a bunch of promises she couldn't possibly keep she could have easily mitigated her losses among working class whites and got the 100,000 votes she need in WI, PA, and MI.
Maybe the 10 k a person would have been too far fetched. She could have promised a multi billion dollar reinvestment program or something.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)She played identity politics and focused policy based on urban centers.
She ignored white, middle class workers in the rust belt.
She didn't need to go to those rural areas and promise to "bring the jobs back." She only needed to go there and explain to these people why the jobs are gone, why they are not coming back, and then give some type of idea or plan to move forward economically. She simply did not do that.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)Clinton actually had a program of job retraining and assistance for coal miners affected. They don't want to hear that. They mocked that idea. They want to mine coal.
If you say "we will make coal bigly again" you get the vote. If you tell them the truth you don't. Same thing with NAFTA. No evidence that it has cost American jobs. Productivity has costs employment because it takes less people to produce the same amount of goods. Tell people in detroit that and you will lose their vote. In 1980 it took 56 manhours to build a car in the US (lowest in the world BTW). In 2016 Toyota broke less than 30 (with others in 30 to 35 range). To avoid losing auto jobs the number of cars sold would have to more than double.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)All the other candidates were doing it so she seems place in comparison.
kcr
(15,320 posts)She can't even live up to her bad reputation. What a loser she is.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And walks among is unexamined. The crazy pretzel logic.
The dozens of anti HRC posts here admitting they never listened to a single ducking speech after they posted "she never said".... ugh. The MSM enabled it and fueled it, but it is here.
ebbie15644
(1,216 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Advanced manufacturing and so on, things that are actually doable. Her campaign actually had respect for the voters intellegence, this was a mistake.
unblock
(52,393 posts)she would immediately be called out for making promises impossible to keep, then they would quickly move on to derivative issues like questioning her integrity, her honesty, saying she'd to or say anything to become president, etc.
whereas when trump over-promised the worst they really did was call his proposals "controversial" and move on to how the crowds go wild and isn't he such an unconventional outsider candidate.
andym
(5,445 posts)Reagan did it. Balanced budget and jobs and cut taxes, etc
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MFM008
(19,826 posts)And lie and lie.