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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Obama leaps ahead of Romney in Bloomberg poll; Romney seen as 'out of touch'
Barack Obama leads challenger Mitt Romney 53 percent to 40 percent among likely voters, according to a new Bloomberg National Poll published Wednesday.
Conducted June 15 through 18, the poll reflects Romney's weakness more than Obama's strength, according to Bloomberg, and shows Romney has yet to recover from a damaging Republican primary.
The Romney campaign has seized on Obama's ill-timed "The private sector is doing fine" comment, with an ad, titled "Doing Fine?" However, a majority (55 percent) of likely voters still view Romney as out of touch with average Americans, according to the Bloomberg poll, compared with 36 percent who say Obama is out of touch.
Meanwhile, 39 percent of Americans view Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and private equity executive, favorably, while 48 percent see him unfavorably.
read: http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/blog/mass_roundup/2012/06/obama-leads-in-bloomberg-poll.html
U.S. President Barack Obama waits during the group photo session of the G20 Summit in Los Cabos June 18, 2012. G20 leaders will kick off two days of meetings in the Pacific resort of Los Cabos on Monday.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Finally a national poll that makes sense.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)part to Romney actually being weird
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I have seen a few recently. Anyway its very good news if its accurate.
rocktivity
(44,546 posts)I nicknamed him "The Candidate From Another Planet" months ago -- and Romney is the only person who "made" me do it!
rocktivity
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And less personality. At least the Coneheads never flip-flopped on being from "France."
rocktivity
(44,546 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:56 AM - Edit history (2)
They WERE from another planet!!!
rocktivity
calimary
(80,522 posts)malaise
(267,455 posts)I'm lovin' it.
Poor Joe Scum is not too happy
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)CTyankee
(63,708 posts)"They usually have good polls...bwah..."
Spinning furiously I note...
malaise
(267,455 posts)is suspect
CTyankee
(63,708 posts)Maybe we can't be all that objective but I don't see ANY enthusiasm for Mitt Romney and the pundits are just spinning their heads off trying to explain how Obama "could lose the election."
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)Just as I will dismiss any national "popularity" poll that shows President Obama losing by 13 points I also don't think much of this one. The major reason is we don't have a national election but 50 separate state elections...that's all that matters. This is good stuff for the talking heads on the teevee to waste hours of electons mental masturbating about but tomorrow will come yet another poll that shows different and all the happy dancing today will turn to hand wringing the next...
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)Nate still is the best site to follow what's going on and he does focus on the state by state numbers not the beauty pageant ones.
Rmoney has a big hole to dig out of...and he can't do it pandering with the south alone. My concern is with the House and Senate races where the SuperPac money is really going to be felt.
Cheers...
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)they won't do nothing for 4 more years, how could the country survive? guess if they
can't get 60 - can't overturn vetoes - but then nothing will get done. zero.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)The biggest problem of the beltway is it's an industry town...one that isn't suffering the same fate of thousands of small towns that saw their factories close up and jobs get outsourced. This is a boom town where billions are flowing through K Street and legislation is bought and sold...and we live in a 24/7/365 election cycle now. There's a growing industry in elections...thanks to Citizens United...the money has never been better and the good times are rolling. Meanwhile the rest of the country can rot.
Reid has been a poor leader and not only allowed the rushpublicans to push through that 60 vote rule once but twice. He now claims he won't be fooled again. Care to bet a shiny dime on that one? The problem is the Senate lives by "protocol" and this is upheld even at the expense of the best interests of millions. It's all about "process". And it's a reason why their popularity is in single digits...but they don't care. Once you're in the beltway bubble you're insulated and isolated from the problems of the "little people".
Sorry to sound so cynical and pessimistic but I see obstruction as a succesful tool that continue to be used against this President and Democrats and that there's little push by the DCCC or DNC to really get things in gear for November yet.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)Seems few remember those dark days of 2005-06...the rushpublicans not only "won" the Presidential election but also increased their hold on the House & Senate. In the '06 election the Democrats were facing the possibility of a veto proof rushpublican House and Senate. I thank Mark Foley and his Blackberry for saving us from that fate, but Democrats won not because of who they were but because they weren't the other guys. Unfortunately the electorate has a short-term memory and we now face a similar situation where the rushpublican could make gains in the House and Senate that will only prolong this country's decline...if not accelerate it...
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)uponit7771
(90,193 posts)...base hopping to increase turn out but if every white voter voted for rMoney he could still lose giving swing state votes
The real issue is congress, it's easier to by a congress person than the president
Chance to win Obama 63 % Romney 36%
Popular vote projection Obama 50% Romney 48 %
Electoral Vote Projection Obama 290 Romney 247
Indiana,NC,and Florida would flip to Romney In this projection.Obama would keep the Kerry States,the Gore states of Iowa and NM.
Plus keep Nevada,Ohio,and Virginia.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)If the President really does have a 13 point lead, his odds of losing the electoral college are almost nill.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)to see other polls back it up before I get too excited.
90-percent
(6,817 posts)Unverifiable electronic voting machines.
Obama could win with a 95% majority and those stinking machines still in use all over the fucking place could still declare Rmoney the winner.
Not to mention the aggressively disenfranchised voters in Republic governed states!
-90% Jimmy
EnviroBat
(5,290 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,018 posts)...but it's Lurch the Fucking StiffTM
JohnnyRingo
(18,563 posts)However, the candidate just recently got up before a crowd and remarked at how "amazing" it is that he can get a sandwich at a Sheetz gas station. He asked the crowd if they ever heard of such a thing where he can just push on what he incorrectly called a "touch-tone keypad" (he meant a touch screen) and his sandwich comes to the counter. Apparently it astounded him that this would be possible without a maitre'd and full waitstaff.
Mitt Romney has proven himself so out of touch with average Americans, he seems almost like an alien who just arrived on Earth and is struggling with our terms and customs, much like the Jeff Bridges character in "Starman". Until recently, he's kept himself mostly to private fundraisers attended by his lofty peers. Romney is self-destructing before the public media, and that will swing polls downward. They call it an "outlier", I call it the beginning of a trend.
His only hope now is to hurry the pick for VP and pray that person can add a sense of humanity to the campaign. Team Romney will have to thrust that candidate into the spotlight to explain Mitt's positions in a language we can understand while Mitt himself handles daily fundraising at the country clubs.
It'll be interesting if that pick is Pawlenty because his speaking skill rivals that of a Disney World animatron. His mouth moves while a droning monologue emanates from the podium, and his limbs move in a distracting pre-programmed sequence unrelated to his words that leaves listeners struggling to recall what he just said.
Please, let it be T-Paw.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)poll surveyed "likely voters," and not "registered voters."
Likely voters are motivated. I can be registered to vote and, if I'm white and live in the right neighborhood, I can skip voting for years and still be registered (if I'm of color and/or have a foreign-sounding name, I could vote religiously, in every primary and local election and still lose my privilege).
That said, we don't vote as a united nation, we vote state-by-state, but this poll just shows that the media meme that people won't vote for Obama because of the economy is as out-of-touch as Romney. People see changes happening despite Republican obstructionism and may, as a result of the War on Women, even gift Obama with a Democratic congress. (I may be dreaming on that last part).
JohnnyRingo
(18,563 posts)I know there are Obama devout haters who would vote for a ressurected Richard Nixon before they would cast a Democratic ballot this fall, but all I hear from Team Romney is "don't vote for me".
On every issue from immigration to gay rights, Romney cedes the edge to Obama by avidly standing firm against the voting bloc. He speaks of union members as if they are a national threat, and tells young people his White House will ignore their concerns. His only olive branch to women is that while he "supports" them, he will have to walk back every gain they've struggled for in the last 50 years.
Poor people are told they will see relief through a form of tough love that involves termination of benefits, and the elderly can expect deep cuts in social security under a Romney administration. People losing their homes to predator banks are advised by Romney to learn to swim through the financial tide that sweeps over them and expect no help from his Oval Office.
In nearly every case exept the uber-wealthy and bigotted middle aged white males expecting some magic trickle down, the Romney message is "vote for the other guy", but the media still portrays the race as a dead heat. I suspect the reason is the same as when Don King promotes a lopsided bout as the "fight of the millenium". To keep us tuned in.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)disappointed that their unwillingness to vet Mitt Romney hasn't seemed to pay dividends. It seems that many of them are close to tears wondering why anyone would support Obama with the economy the way it is. It's like they are rooting for the economy to fail, just as Republicans are doing, so that they can blame Obama and not the Republicans who are deliberately obstructing progress.
I'm hoping to God that Americans are finally waking up. They may be angry at Obama for whatever reason, be it the economy or something else on the long list of Obama transgressions. *rolling my eyes*
And yet, perhaps maybe...just maybe Americans can see what the Republicans are doing. Maybe the Independents, especially are seeing that something is wrong.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,201 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I would say this poll is close to where the polls should be and probably this poll includes a better % of the different voters than the other.
This race is not close, but the MSM wants it to be.
I would say Obama +8 at this point, and way over 300 in the electoral vote (with only 270 needed.)
Remember in 2008 they claimed McClain was close all the way and election night no one (even MSNBC) would dare say otherwise
til later on.
and if a Fox/Rasmussen poll takes a poll of 80% Fox voters, whaddaya think the outcome will be, why is Ras even included in the composite polls at all?
Last time you looked, how many of any minority was in the audience at a Romney event? Even one???
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)as though they have diverse crowds. I don't know what makes me angrier: the fact that they think we're that fucking stupid, or the minorities that allow themselves to be used as pawns.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)lets see anti gun, women, pro choice, anti women, anti poor, anti middle class, anti american (yes I can say that. calls the public sector as not american in saying we don't need more public sector jobs, we need jobs for real americans.) and oh anti gun. that and he's a pretender. and actions speak louder than words..
Fozzledick
(3,858 posts)Nobody wins when their favorably is that far under water.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Typically what happens when an incumbent president wins re-election is he gains in his electoral-vote score. To do that, it would be necessary to have an increase in the popular-vote margin. And that refers to a shift (however small or big).
All the polls I have come across are insisting that this is a 1- to 3-point race, meaning President Barack Obama loses about 4.26 to 6.26 off his 7.26% victory, in 2008, over John McCain.
A 13-point victory would mean gaining nearly 5.75. That means some states President Obama didn't get in 2008 would flip to him for 2012. (I'm looking at Arizona, Georgia, Missouri, and Montana as a quartet that would stand out.)
Too early to say?
Well, it's the next-to-final week in June.
Obama is in danger of getting unseated. He's either Woodrow Wilson, nearly 100 years later, or he's going to have to turn this around. And typically an incumbent who gets reduced (in bid for re-election) gets reduced right out of the White House.
demgrrrll
(3,590 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,318 posts)Cute/smart/cute/smart.. oh, hell. He's so cute when he's being smart.
Gman
(24,780 posts)It just doesn't work.
This will be Romney's ultimate reason why he lost.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)We're not done with you yet, Willard
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)The press held up each and every GOP rival as the Great (Not Romney) Hope, thanks in large part to a handful of donors who were willing to give millions to keep the chances of people like Newt alive. Any surprise that Americans now see Romney as leftovers?