Massive Election Fraud Gave The Election To Trump. No Other Conclusion From big Picture.

[TheMastersNemesis]

When you really look at the big picture of the election nothing really really adds up. Mathematically it is just about impossible for all the exit polls to be wrong. And the case of Florida it was statistically impossible for Hillary to lose. Greg Palest on Thom Hartmann has made a very credible case that the election was a coup and not an election.

Something is radically wrong in the blue wall states. All those states had GOP Secretaries of State. The election was like a death from 1000 cuts. The GOP had 4 years to prepare the landscape after Obama win in 2012. 2014 election was the canary in the coal mine.

Sit quietly and eliminate all the chatter around the election and what do you get. You gut, your instincts, you danger radar and your being senses that this election is terribly wrong at the top of the ticket and down ticket.

Colorado has all mail in system and easy registration. Every ballot is easily tracked to where it is counted. Hillary won Colorado.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

1. K&R

[Coyotl]

25. The statistics are shocking to people with election integrity experience, unprecedented.

The 2004 election is a good comparison because the same Senate seats were on the ballot, some of the same Senators too. It was a year when everyone was shocked by how far the exit polls were off and by the degree of red shift, especially in decisive Ohio. Well, look how the exit polls compare, positive is red shift, and look how many of the states red shift:

New graphic of exit polls comparison chart. Note how 2016 is double the shift in 2004, trending moreso in red states, more than doubled in the battleground states.



The battleground states have very robust polling too and pre-election polls agree with the exit polls. This graph used linear trendlines, which would cross the zero axis at the center if the red-blue shift was equal and also match the zero axis if randomly distributed.



States without Senate races have a lower red shift in both 2004 and 2016. The 2004 50 state mean was 1.9%, 2016 does not have 50 state exit polling. The 29 state mean is 3.52% red shift in 2016, a dramatic difference with the 20 Senate race states at 4.7%.

[mercuryblues]

2. You will never

convince me that Michigan would go red after what the repbliklans did to Flint. Not a chance.

[TheMastersNemesis]

3. Michigan Is A Good Example. So Is Florida. Because Mathematicians Point Out An Anomaly.

The mathematical statistical analysis revealed that Hillary's early lead was not surmountable.

[deaniac21]

10. British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

33. Amusing saying. For those interested in accurate attribution,

Someone from the Mathematics Department at the University of York (England) has made a serious study and concluded that not only did the "Lies, damn lies, and statistics" quotation not originate with Lord Benjamin Disraeli, once Prime Minister and 1st Earl of Beaconsfield, but that Disraeli probably never said or wrote it at all.

A few years ago I thought that I had successfully tied down the origin of this quotation. I concluded that it came from Lord Courtney in 1895 as explained below, but it now appears virtually certain that, whoever first thought of it, it was not Lord Courtney. The origin is still uncertain, but if it originated with any one well-known figure, the most likely candidate is Sir Charles Dilke.

A (probably false) attribution to Benjamin Disraeli, Earl of Beaconsfield (1804–1881) has been common at least since 1895.

Lots more about this here.

[womanofthehills]

28. That's why Trump is fighting for no recount in Michigan

[lostnfound]

55. The TV claiming trump didn't have a chance didn't help..

Those blank votes -- I can see that happening with Michiganders thinking their vote wouldn't matter and they saw it as a quiet protest against "free trade".

I don't discount the possibility of election fraud also, however.

[kacekwl]

4. Definitely something wrong here

and hopefully sooner than later the truth will come out.

[TheMastersNemesis]

5. Not Sure It Will Because The MSM Is A Collaborator. They Will Suppress The Truth.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. CNN is busy licking Trump's genitalia as we speak.

Live shots of the New Great Leader doing his GLORIOUS photo-op at the Carrier plant where more than half of them will still lose their jobs, the Union will be further emasculated, the CEO's will get an even bigger bonus, and the state populace will shoulder the bill.

ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS NEW LEADER!

[SoCalMusicLover]

31. Let Them Lick

I have not turned on CNN or MSNBCrap since 11/10, although they probably have not noticed.

Still, I won't watch them again, since it's just a big sham.

[JimBeard]

41. I turned them off too!

[Maru Kitteh]

43. CNN and MSNBC once commanded 90% of my TV. They now get 0 to 5% at most.

[Paladin]

59. Count me as an ex-MSNBC viewer, as well.

I'm not even watching their good stuff (Maddow, O'Donnell), much less their asshole shows (Joe/Mika, Matthews, Mitchell). I encourage others to do the same---these so-called "liberal" networks need to pay a price for failing to provide anything close to balanced election coverage. Did Andrea Mitchell ever talk about anything except Hillary's oh-so-evil emails? Fuck her, and the rest of them as well.....

[Tikki]

29. Maybe some one could go on one of those "Singing with the Stars" shows and belt out the truth.

I'm sure it would be watch by the millions if it is advertised as a "Very Special Episode" of one of those singing shows.

Tikki

[pangaia]

51. I like that.

[JudyM]

63. Great idea.

[brooklynite]

6. Hillary lost North Carolina...but Roy Cooper and Josh Stein won.

[WhiteTara]

7. Scum's ploy of screaming Rigged Rigged and then

the SOS of all those states could say Oh No! Our systems are very secure.

[scscholar]

9. And throwing votes in the trash here in Seattle certainly didn't help

It sucks that our rulers hate us so much that they just throw our votes in the trash.

[pnwmom]

20. Hillary carried Seattle by a whopping margin. Only 8% voted for DT.

So I don't know what you're talking about but it had no effect on this election.

[MFM008]

36. We hate

That bloated pig on the proudly blue anti maggot LEFT COAST.

[Maru Kitteh]

44. I believe the person is referring to the national popular vote total

which would be even greater if those votes were counted.

If we wish to affect change to this system that has granted the presidency to the losing candidate twice in less than two decades, every vote must be counted.

[pnwmom]

45. I haven't heard about Seattle votes being thrown in the trash, have you? n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

46. I did hear about it, yes. I think on election night, although it's all become a blur.

I did not follow up on the story, but this is not the first I heard of it.

[pnwmom]

47. Sounds odd to me, since our vote is all mail-in and nothing was finished

on election day. We kept getting ballots in for a few days afterwards.

[Maru Kitteh]

49. Like I said, it's all blurred into a long painful sadness.

But I do remember being very struck that such a thing might have happened in Seattle, of all places.


I wish I had more detail for you. Sorry.

[pnwmom]

50. I googled and all I could find was this Seattle Times piece.

If one read only the title, one might draw the conclusion it happened in King County, rather than in Pennsylvania.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/county-tosses-most-late-voter-forms-from-grassroots-group/

County tosses most late voter forms from grassroots group

[Maru Kitteh]

53. Interesting. May be what happned . . . seems plausible.

[jmg257]

11. You really should check the exit polls - they have trump winning in numerous swings states...

Penn - trump 1%
Wisconsin - trump 1%
Michigan - tie
Florida - trump 2%
Ohio - trump 10%

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/states/michigan
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/states/wisconsin
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/states/pennsylvania
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/states/florida
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/states/ohio


Each state has an exit poll by gender in the lower left corner.

Unless I am reading them wrong, the exit polls seem pretty spot on.

???

[pnwmom]

21. The exit polls get adjusted over the course of the day to accord

with results that are coming in, so that's why they look so good at the end.

The problem is that exit polls as used in this country are NOT a way to test the legitimacy of a vote. They're used for other information, like asking people why they voted the way they did and getting demographic information.

Also, only a sample of precincts is polled, and only a more-or-less random sample of willing voters from those precincts is polled. There are a lot of ways this can go wrong.

[jmg257]

24. Ah - thanks for that! nt

[lostnfound]

56. Exit polls are "adjusted" to match vote count

They no longer use them to verify or predict election results. They are used to pretend to explain them by demographic groups.

If you can find the unadjusted exit polls, then you can make your case.

[jmg257]

57. Ah - thanks - very weird that. I thought they were the best method of showing possible fraud.

Good to know!

[Lint Head]

12. What a great con. Accuse people of stealing the election

while stealing the election. Typical.

Rob the bank then shout, "The bank has been robbed!".

[B2G]

15. Well Obama played right into his hands then.

He spent a great deal of time outlining why that was impossible.

[Snarkoleptic]

13. A gift from Putin and his helpers

[Baitball Blogger]

27. Omigod! Omigod! Omigod! I cannot unsee.

I don't think Trump would rate very high on his own rating system.

[MFM008]

37. Bigger waddle

Than a room of chickens.

[B2G]

14. The Florida exit poll you reference only asked 300 early voters

How can you extrapolate to an entire state?

[jmg257]

17. CNN Florida exit poll has trump +5% ...actual election? trump +1.3

Exit:
Men: Clinton 43% / 52% trump
Women: Clinton 50% / 46% trump

Actual:
trump 49.1%4,605,515
clinton 47.8%4,485,745

Not sure why there is so much anger about the exit polls...

edit: link
http://www.cnn.com/election/results/states/florida

[B2G]

18. Me either. They've been wrong a lot. nt

[TwilightZone]

38. I think your math is a bit off. Looks closer to 2%.

Unless my math is off, the difference is closer to 2%.

The calculations I used are (% received) x (proportion of total), then added them together.

Clinton - male: 0.43 x 0.47 = 0.202
Clinton - female: 0.50 x 0.53 = 0.265

Clinton - total: 0.467 = 46.7%

Trump - male: 0.52 x 0.47 = 0.244
Trump - female: 0.46 x 0.53 = 0.244

Trump - total: 0.488 = 48.8%

Difference: 2.1%

[jmg257]

40. Ah thanks - yep I just added the % together - so the exits were very acurate.

[Grey Lemercier]

19. it was only 120 registered Republicans, it was never remotely duplicated

by any other exit poll, and they cherry picked the 28% crossover rate from a hypothetical 2 way choice. It also was far from random, as it was taken from people who had self-selected by participating in online panels of all types repeatedly in the past and it undersampled the Pannhandle and other Rethug areas. The article also used a very low 6% haemorrhage rate of Dems to Trump. Furthermore it ludicrously split indie votes 50-50, when Trump dominated in them.

The author then made wild extrapolations to the state wide totals, plus undercounted the actual vote totals by hundreds of thousands.

I understand that we all feel cheated (millions of voters were supressed nationwide via Crosscheck and other means, Comey, Russian disinfo, etc etc) but that Florida story is not at all one to hang our hats on.

https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/329698329/TargetSmart-William-Mary-Florida-Poll-of-Early-and-Likely-Voters

[barbtries]

16. if the proof could be gathered,

then isn't it just possible that we could make it right in less than 4 years of a trump presidency?!

sorry, i'm desperate.

[Blanks]

30. If there was a conspiracy to the degree...

That people are suggesting. Someone will brag about it.

If nobody brags about it, then it probably wasn't widespread enough to make a difference.

If there really was some kind of shenanigans, it will go the way of the Nixon administration. That's what I'm expecting to happen. Whether the scandal is due to election shenanigans or business shenanigans, when it becomes profitable for the press to tear Trump down, they will tear him down.

[SoCalMusicLover]

32. Are You Kidding Me?

It takes but a few people to commit the fraud, especially with computers involved.

Not hard to keep it secret, especially when their interests are aligned with doing so.

Some criminals talk, but most do not. There is a reason nobody expects to learn what happened to JFK. Anybody who would have talked, was taken care of, and the rest are taken care of until they die and take any secrets with them.

[Blanks]

64. It takes but a few people to commit the fraud?

I suppose if someone actually hacked the vote, that's true. If there was some kind of coordination among the various states, then it'd take more than a few people in the know about what happened.

I'm not holding out much hope for finding evidence of hacking. I expect that some kind of irregularity will be found, but not on enough of a scale to overturn.

Trump's downfall will be that his supporters will stop supporting him. He will probably take office and it will start going downhill from there.

[Fast Walker 52]

22. Given what we know of the GOP, I tend to agree... sure wish it could be proven for sure

[Beartracks]

23. Spinning statistics as just an "educated guess"...

... is how the Republicans got away with things in 2000, and how they'll do it again. And the poor American public, dumbed down and manipulated against "elitist" things like, you know, *science,* will readily accept the notion that statistical analysis is just as accurate as they think a weatherman's forecast is: just a guess.

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[mackdaddy]

26. Hartmann Interview with Greg Palast this afternoon 12/1/16

Here is the full interview.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

34. Palast has been on the case of the problem of verification of elections for years.

Thanks for posting.

[NobodyHere]

35. This must be an Illuminatti plot

Or something

Prove me wrong

[brooklynite]

39. It must be nice to be so much smarter than Clinton, Obama, Sanders, Warren...

[davidn3600]

42. "There are 3 types of lies....Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

[CajunBlazer]

48. Oh BS!!!

This pushing of this conspiracy theory from the left reminds me of Trump pushing the CT that only massive election fraud deprived him of winning the popular vote. Both are false narratives without a shred of fact to back them up. Both are made by people that can't believe they lost and are unwilling to accept facts and instead insist on living in a fantasy world where they won, but were deprived of their victory by unseen dark forces.

Not only do these false narratives undermine the integrity of our election process, they place our emphasis on the wrong issue and suggest that we fix a non existent problem. we shouldn't be trying to figure out how to stop election fraud, we should be trying to figure out how to win electoral college.

[lonestarnot]

52. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/senators-seek-to-declassify-info-on-russia-role-in-us-elect

[CajunBlazer]

58. Russians trying to sway American voters is not election fraud

Election fraud is when voter who are not eligible are allowed to vote, when people who are eligible to are illegally not allowed to vote or when the votes of eligible voters are purposefully not counted or are purposefully counted incorrectly for the wrong candidate.

Heck, I know that some feel inclined to include another country's interference in our election as fraud, but unless they hacked into the vote counting infrastructure somehow, which would be extremely difficult if not impossible to do, it isn't fraud.

It is extremely important that we not give the the rest of the world the false impression that our election process is rigged. That would suit Putin's purposes perfectly.

[lonestarnot]

61. I guess you cannot understand the difference between voter fraud and election fraud. Underlining

stuff doesn't make it fucking true. Your marginalizing propaganda sounds like orange yammering. You have eat'n too much hot stuff.

[TheFrenchRazor]

54. and you know there has not been election fraud how? oh yeah, you don't have a clue. nt

[CajunBlazer]

60. And you know there has been election fraud, how?

I can't prove a negative - that's impossible for anyone to do - so asking me to do so is disingenuous.

On the other hand you are the one pushing narrative which should be classified as a conspiracy theory unless you have proof. Where is your proof?

[lonestarnot]

62. What are you afraid of?