Poll: Dems favor Biden, Sanders for 2020 nomination

[portlander23]

Poll: Dems favor Biden, Sanders for 2020 nomination
Jessie Hellmann
The Hill

Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders lead the field of potential Democratic presidential nominees in 2020, a Public Policy Polling (PPP) survey released Tuesday shows.

When Democratic voters are asked to pick from a field of nine Democratic candidates, 31 percent pick the vice president and 24 percent favor the Vermont senator to be the Democratic nominee.

Another 16 percent of poll respondents said they would vote for Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) if she ran, while 14 percent were undecided.

Biden and Sanders are 74 and 75, respectively.

This is fun to think about, but I don't think Sanders or Biden will be running in 2020.

[MichMary]

1. We have a lot

of exciting, dynamic, young talent. Cory Booker, for one. Would love to see him as president.

[Calculating]

2. Both are too old

We need some FRESH BLOOD!

[NCTraveler]

5. Interestingly, in the same poll, those asked said they wanted someone younger.

Then when given options they picked three of the oldest to top out their choices.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_121316.pdf

On one hand they say they want a younger candidate, one who's never run for
President. 57% of Democrats say they want their candidate to be under the age of
60, and 77% say they want their candidate to be under the age of 70. Only 8%
actually want a candidate who's in their 70s, with another 15% expressing no
opinion in regards to the age of their candidate.

Beyond wanting a younger candidate, only 25% of Democrats say they want their
candidate in 2020 to be someone who has run for President before. 41% would
prefer someone who's never run before, and 34% say they're not sure one way or
the other.

But despite saying that they generically want a younger candidate who hasn't run
for President before, the top 2 choices of Democrats for 2020 at this very early
stage are...people in their 70s who have run for President before.

Joe Biden leads the way for Democrats with 31% to 24% for Bernie Sanders, and
16% for Elizabeth Warren. They're the only folks we tested with meaningful support for the nomination at this point. Cory Booker gets 4%, Al Franken and
Kirsten Gillibrand each get 3%, Sherrod Brown and Andrew Cuomo each get 2%,
and Julian Castro gets less than 1%.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

49. I agree. They are too old already.

They'll be way too old 4 and 8 years from now. 70s and beyond I think is too old. People start dying of old age at those ages and these guys are not immortal.

[NCTraveler]

3. Sanders just finished campaigning and spending hundreds of millions.

And Biden beats him out. This should be a reality check.

Clinton wasn't even a part of the poll.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_121316.pdf

[angrychair]

15. With all due respect

Biden would be 78. Clinton would be 74. Sanders would be 79. All very much older than anyone we've elected before. I have nothing against any of them, I've points of agreement and disagreement with each one of them. At some point we have move forward as a Party. Our Democratic Party Congressional leadership is significantly older than republicans.

No, age itself is not the issue. It's that we are not fostering leadership in our younger membership and not promoting young involvement in politics enough.
As they age up they will eventually want to retire or die and our replacement choices are few: either people as old as them or people that have had few to no leadership options.
There is a direct correlation to our inability to make gains in governorships and state legislatures and for that talent to move up to federal office.
We have people that hold their positions for so long and no one wishes to challenge a fellow Party member or would likely get support for such a challenge.

[NCTraveler]

18. I have touched on this in other replies.

"Biden would be 78. Clinton would be 74. Sanders would be 79. All very much older than anyone we've elected before."

The useless poll itself even makes mention.

I also have an op stating the importance of building from the ground up. That is one of our biggest failings. The ground up approach in itself means new an younger faces collaborating within the party and fighting for its future. It extremely important and an area we need to be better.

My point in the post you replied to was simple. Sanders recently spent hundreds of millions and a long time campaigning and comes in second in this crap poll. I believe that is truly one of the only things of meaning that can be extrapolated from this poll. It should be a wake up call to some.

[yurbud]

36. What actual policies did Biden pass that people might thinking of?

[NCTraveler]

40. Exactly.

I bet extremely few polled can talk about one thing Sanders or Biden lead the effort in passing. And that's with Sanders recently spending hundreds of millions to get his personal message out. Yet Biden handily wins in the poll. It's really a bs poll all the way around.

[NWCorona]

48. I can't see Bernie running in 2020 at all and regardless of what Biden says

He won't be running either.

I think these names came up due to name recognition only. We need someone fresh making national waves.

[NCTraveler]

58. One hundred percent agree.

It's an extremely limited list and really overall worthless.

[Cattledog]

4. Bernie and Joe are too old sorry.

[Greybnk48]

6. There won't be a Presidency or an election by 2020

if Trump is permitted to "take office." He's working for Putin to clear up his debts. That's my conspiracy theory, and I'm sticking to it.

[WhiteTara]

53. Yep

[Mass]

7. Polls that early are just name recognition.

The error would be for the party to discourage less well-known people to prepare for a run.

[MFM008]

8. look I like both

I really do. But for god sake we don't need another MUMMY remake.
The two guys who WON were under 45... Clinton and Obama
Younger fresh UN-embalmed blood and I AM old, ill be 59 next year.
I got nothing against older people. I would like to vote for a fierce Young woman of color personally.
(and im white).

[TeamPooka]

22. Like Kamala Harris, the female California version of Obama

[MFM008]

27. Yup.

That's who I was thinking of.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Or Gavin Newsom

Either way I think it's well past time for our party to realize that there is stuff happening in this country beyond the East Coast.

[TeamPooka]

46. I like Gavin even though he's not a "fierce Young woman of color"

[Warren DeMontague]

57. And I like Senator Harris even though she hasnt been as ahead of the curve on some issues

As Newsom has.

[loyalsister]

31. At least since 1960

The only time the older candidate has won when there was a measurable difference was when Reagan beat Carter and Mondale. The first was a unique set of corrupt circumstances, and the actor, bad as he was could present himself as young and vibrant. In contrast to Mondale, Reagan did appear to be full of energy. It's my understanding that Reagan was showing signs of dementia during his second term.

[Sunlei]

9. I don't think either of them care to serve IN our government the rest of their lives. They'll organ

organize in the public sector without the Republican obstruction. Our Democracy needs their help.

We need to help our sitting Ds, hold their seats...next election for them Republicans intend to take their seats away. Sen. Elizabeth Warren will get the same level of attacks and fake crap news Hillary got. She may not care to run for President either.

[RedWedge]

10. Four years is a long time, and those old white men are OLD. What people are saying is that they want

Biden or Sanders to run now. Pretty hard to say who you want in 2020 when we're not even there yet. Give it time.

[NCTraveler]

12. "What people are saying is that they want"

It's saying something much different. It's saying out of the options they are given now, their top choices are Biden and Sanders. Clinton wasn't even included in the poll. That would at least make the complete waste of time this poll is a little bit more interesting.

[RedWedge]

13. You said it better than I did.

[Jose Garcia]

11. Lots of time for a younger, fresher face to emerge

[Johonny]

14. Reply I assume someone off the radar will take charge and beat the old warhorses

the younger generation candidates sat out 2016 for the older generation, they won't in 2020 is my guess.

[DonCoquixote]

16. warren

it sends a message that one need not sacrifice social or economic justice, and to be fair, she was trying to help with both consistently for a while.

[Joe941]

17. Bernie for 2020!

[ehrnst]

25. For what party? (nt)

[David__77]

19. I would prefer someone who didn't lose in 2016.

I think the best candidate may be off the radar at this time.

[ehrnst]

26. Thank you. (nt)

[TeamPooka]

20. Two older white men to replace a younger old white man? No. We have a bigger pool to fish from

right now.

[leftynyc]

21. Kirsten Gillibrand

is my pick. She's been a terrific senator in NY.

[ehrnst]

47. But to some, that would be pandering to "identity politics" instead of

addressing the 'real issue' of white working class men not earning what they think they should be earning.

[Mellomugwump]

23. If experience no longer matters...

We can choose George Clooney. I'm holding out for George Clooney.

[Bettie]

24. At this point

it is silly to think about who may run in 2020.

However, it is good to think about what IDEAS are the ones we'd like to see at the forefront.

[Txbluedog]

28. I pick ME

TXBLUEDOG 2020--- I will strive to find a reality show to "star" in soon so that I am qualified to be President of the United States

[Beartracks]

56. Just become a YouTube star.

Less overhead.

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[BeyondGeography]

29. Old and older

Run someone 30 years younger and much more attractive than Trump. It'll bug the shit out of him. Gavin Newsome is 25 years younger; that's fine, too.

[ZoomBubba]

30. Bernie is not a Democrat ...

... and should not be part of the poll.

The true nominee is probably someone we don't give a second thought to now. I think the 2020 nominee will probably be a governor who does well in a Republican-leaning state and who is under 65.

[David__77]

33. The candidates don't need to be Democrats.

They need only be favored by some segment of voters in the Democratic primary. I'm a registered Democrat, and I voted for Sanders in the primary. I don't particularly care if the nominee in 2020 is a registered Democrat or self-identified Democrat, if I otherwise think that candidate would be good.

[ZoomBubba]

35. For me, if we put non-party members ...

... on our tickets, then we're not a party. If someone has no affiliation, they are a wild card and unpredictable. I'm not interested in that.

[David__77]

37. I can understand that.

I'm not sure that a non-party person would be more of a wild card necessarily. There's no one in particular that I am thinking of - I just don't preclude that as an option for how I would vote in the primary.

[JTFrog]

38. Exactly.

This primary was the only example we need.

[yeoman6987]

45. We have 19 governors to chose from. 1 independent governor who leans democratic

I hope we can begin winning statewide elections again. These races are not due to gerrymandering but simply showing up to vote.

[Kingofalldems]

50. It's hard when the republicans/Russians hack your emails

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/house-democrats-hacking-dccc.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

[hrmjustin]

32. No thanks to both!

I like Biden but he will not be our nominee and Sanders is a non-starter for me.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

34. What are prospects of Roy Cooper being considered???

I don't know anything about him other than bio but he is young enough and does not have federal/senatorial baggage that trips up our national candidates and he comes from a southern battleground state.

[DFW]

39. Why not Methuselah ?

Howard Dean was right: we need to run a 50 year old, not an 80 year old.

[StevieM]

41. I think Biden may run for Senate if Carper retires. But Sanders may well run again.

Personally, I like Elizabeth Warren.

[Gothmog]

42. I will never support Sanders as the nominee

I would prefer Joe Biden greatly over Sanders. I would prefer almost any candidate over sanders

[madokie]

43. I want to see one of the Castro Twins

Joaquin would be my first choice.

He is as American as apple pie

ETA: New young blood with fresh ideas is what we need. IMO

[WhiteTara]

51. Glad to see we have put our faith

in old white men. Make America white again.

[LonePirate]

52. Why isn't Martin O'Malley part of this discussion?

He would make a great nominee and president-elect in 2020.

[Skittles]

54. gawd

that is a sure sign WE GOT NOTHING

[DavidDvorkin]

55. Here's how the question was phrased

Q10
If the Democratic candidates for President in
2020 were Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Sherrod
Brown, Julian Castro, Andrew Cuomo, Al
Franken, Kirsten Gillibrand, Bernie Sanders,
and Elizabeth Warren who would you vote for?

O'Malley was not even included. Bastards.