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A "peaceful transfer of power" Doesn't require a former president to attend. Moreover, there is no Constitutional requirement that Obama has to attend. We need to show a lot more backbone and commitment to our values and principles.
Sorry, it's hard for me to juxtapose the very justified and unequivocal rebuke of trump by PBO and the Clintons and so many others and coupled with the knowledge of Russia's involvement in the manipulation of our election, to show up to this ridiculous event and talk about the "peaceful transfer of power" to a person that is con-artist and a sexual predator.
It's makes it nearly impossible to not look onto all this with a jaded and cynical eye when we see the eventual smiles and hand shakes and back slapping with trump. This is more than "just how politics works". Many, Democrats, Republicans and Independents, have spoken in unambiguous terms, that trump is unfit to be president. That he is a criminal. That he should not be left alone with young female children.
Attending this event is the wrong message and will muddy the water, especially for young people, about morals and values and reenforce their growing cynical perspective and further deminish trust in our political process.
Let me make this completely, unambiguously, clear: I will not endorse, give donations to or advocate for ANY politician that supports or works to fulfill ANY of trump's agenda.
As my sig line states:
Trump is a narcissistic, racist, bigoted and xenophobic fascist. We are either united in our fight against his agenda or we will all become a victim of it.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)Turd.
It's horrid.
It gives the piece of shit a win.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)The Clintons especially should not attend nor should any other Democrat. He should not be normalized.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)It is sickening
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)100k signatures and the White House responds
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I'm so old I don't know how to start one but someone should.
longship
(40,416 posts)Action means something other than signing on to a fucking petition, so easy yet so meaningless in these days.
The NAACP occupied Senator Sessions office yesterday. There were arrests. Now that was action. Martin Luther King would have approved, as would Ghandi.
We've got to get in their faces. No petition does that.
The streets are ours. Let's take to the streets.
Fuck online petitions.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Today's embarrassment to the Republicans, the reversal of their neutering of the Office of Congressional Ethics, has been attributed by many to Trump's tweet about the unseemliness of the timing (though not to the substance of congressional Republicans' vote). If a Democrat agrees that congressional Republicans shot themselves in the foot, is that "supporting" Trump's "agenda"? Trump says so many different things, sometimes within the same breath, it's impossible to know what his agenda is sometimes. How are you going to be completely, unambiguously clear about whether a politician supports Trump's agenda, and what if Trump comes down on the right side of an issue (probably by accident)?
I'm just saying support your ideals, and disregard where Trump might be at any given moment.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)It would be morally wrong for us to be in lockstep in opposing every single thing Trump proposes. The Republicans did that to Obama.
Better to support Trump when he does something that we agree with and fight him tooth and nail when he's trying to do something with which we disagree.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Congressional action is going to be a mishmash no clean bills, some good, plenty bad, some of our reps are going to go along to get the good and get stuck with the bad, that is how the Repub cartel works.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Something the dems have needed to do for a long, long time.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)2naSalit
(86,647 posts)rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)whole country I would not go to his fucking party, even if he didn't also have a parade of women I was connected to in one way or another fly in to support his lying ass. Particularly since the guy lost by 2.8 million votes.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)democrat would go. Never mind our leaders. Ugh!!! Stupid, stupid, stupid!
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)or if one gets started, please post the info here. I'll try to get some of my action group to sign it.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)angrychair
(8,702 posts)That you think president Carter was a politician. That was always his problem, he was a great human being but a poor politician. I actually like and respect him more because of that.
No, president Carter does not need my money or my council. As a voter, especially a politically active one, I have earned my right to my opinion as much as anyone else.
That being said, there is nothing that can make it "ok" for people like Carter, Obama and Clinton being on the same stage, even equated, to trump. He is a narcissistic, racist, sexist, bigoted and xenophobic fascist.
He is a criminal that has admitted to sexually assaulting women.
sorry, there is nothing that will convince me that making deals or working with trump (or pence or any current republican) is ever going to work in our favor and any compromise will come at a heavy cost somewhere else. As I have stated in the past, compromise is great as long as you are not the one being compromised. The disturbing selflessness of people to disregard the cost to others as long as they get the benefits of the compromise is unsettling.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)angrychair
(8,702 posts)Don't understand your comment
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)I believe it is a bend to the slogan of going high when they go low. F him and all the ex pres and wives that go. If they haven't figured it out yet this is why the party is shrinking. We have no guts no balls to stand up to the repubs, which is why we get our ass kicked. Time for a real progressive party that gets loud. May we should take ak 47s to protest marches. The tea party did it and got defended. I'm not watching the inauguration. I will never call this slime pres.
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)we would never hear the end of insults. Poor loser (as if Trump is not the whiniest winner ever), embarrassed, afraid, not mentally stable.....it would be endless. I admire their maturity and self control.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...comes from the M$Gredia and Putin2
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)all that crap with the Clintons' names all over media and the web for God knows how long? They do not deserve that kind of attention.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Not you TNN.. :> ))
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Fuck 'em! Sore losers? Again, Fuck 'em!
Time to take a stand against them and their evil agenda and it starts now! RESIST!
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)I care about them putting Hillary Clinton through more verbal abuse.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)And just like that, trump is about to be normalized for the entire world. Clintons attendance is effectively shutting down the resistance movement.
It is all but certain now that the entire world will be watching the inauguration giving it historical ratings, the exact opposite of our efforts.
I am about to go to sleep and will wake up by next election. Deleted all my news apps, no more NPR. Goodbye DU (for now). Will focus on local issues exclusively.
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jalan48
(13,870 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)In fact, I remember seeing something about Hillary being in "hiding" after the loss--which was bullshit.
Especially with President Carter already showing up, why hand enemies the ammunition?
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)Really?
No, they're going because they're going to help normalize the SOB. Once again Democrats roll over and take the path of least resistance.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)dflprincess
(28,079 posts)I think they're rolling over and helping to sell us out.
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)'..."peaceful transfer of power" to a person that is con-artist and a sexual predator.'
...are we doing this for the good of the country or for the good of wall-street?
Initech
(100,081 posts)We cannot allow Tillerson to get his hands on the prize, it would spell doom for the planet.
Initech
(100,081 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)triron
(22,007 posts)I won't say what I think should be done.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I don't get the urge to act as snotty as possible. Just stomping our feet and saying no is what the Republicans did. It's one of many reasons I'm not a Republican. The Clintons and Carter are acting like grown ups. They aren't going to support Trump. They are going because the presidency and our democracy are bigger and stronger than Trump, just like they were bigger and stronger than Bush the younger, than Nixon.
Comatose Sphagetti
(836 posts)And it's been working for them.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)But your interpretation of my perspective is disturbing as I don't see the act of not going as "snotty" or foot stomping.
Our president, in no uncertain terms, portrayed trump as unsuitable and even dangerous as he was so irresponsible that he would cause a nuclear war. Trump actual Twitter feed does nothing to dissuade from this opinion.
Trump's own words and actions, captured on video, was that of a deviant sexual predator. Both our president and the Clintons have young daughters, why would they want their daughters to be around them or even touched by him? There is no comparison between trump and bush jr..I wouldn't feel uncomfortable leaving a teenage women alone in the room with bush.
Was it just politics? Did they not mean it? Are we here judging trump to harshly?
Did I misunderstand trump talking about sexually assaulting a woman?
I don't associate with criminals and I sure don't smile at them and shake their hand and congratulate them for "winning" the presidency.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)And by being there, they are supporting Trump.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)betsuni
(25,538 posts)Oops, broken campaign promise. The Obamas, two Clintons and a Carter. A veritable flock of liberals! Heh, they will not care for that at all.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)As an ex-Naval officer Carter was indoctrinated into the idea that you show respect to the uniform not necessarily the wearer of the uniform. Long ago I was a young Coast Guard Hospital Corpsman with my own independent posting on a CG vessel. A young ensign: total jackass who was beyond horrible was assigned to my ship, and all the senior non-commissioned officers recognized him for what he was. I was good friends with a very senior Chief Petty Officer and brought up my frustration with the young jack ass. The chief ran the "respect the uniform even if you don't respect the individual wearing it" spiel past me.
My response back (and normally I never think of something this brilliant to say on the spot) was "If the uniform is that important why do they let a jackass like that wear it?" He didn't have a response.
So I say to all the past presidents, "If the office of the president is so important than why are we allowing an orange skinned, ferret haired, narcissistic, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, self-centered bore assume it." How dare any of you show up and show your support to him becoming one of you.
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...on the spot answer.
I usually come up with my best rejoinders when I am by myself in my car.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)They've stated that it's respect for the democratic process, and it robs him of the ability to shore up his outsider martyr status. But I think they should emphasize that they are concerned for the country and want to do what's best for it. He's going to get himself into enough trouble, and they should be there for us when it happens, to ameliorate what the GOP will wreak.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)is looked on with scorn. I don't agree with Trump's agenda, but I also don't want or believe in this all or nothing approach. If Dems can blunt the damage of his legislation and his administration by going to the negotiating table then more power to them.
completely..
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)Has anyone seen Dubya offering to help our country as his own party's Trump is to be inaugurated?
Give Obama some credit and respect for his willingness to help our country.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)Obama himself left little to the imagination about the disaster of trump having the nuclear codes. That trump is a sexual predator. So why is it so hard to understand why it comes across as a poor decision to tacitly endorse trump's presidency when Obama has left no ambiguity as to how he felt.
Was it just politics? Did he not mean it?
Either it matters or it doesn't.
Yes, I agree there are grey areas in politics but the context and unequivocally blunt comments were more than politics or it otherwise it devalues the seriousness with which those statements were delivered.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I'm grateful.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)Trump doesn't give a shit about him. He sent several years spewing racist nonsense about Obama not being a US citizen and being an illegitimate president.
To be clear, trump will have full control of the most powerful military in the history of the human race in a handful of days and he can send them anywhere in the world to do whatever he commands for several days before he even has to tell Congress he did it. He can fire nukes at whoever he wants and no one in control of those nukes can say "no" but even if they did he can just replace them with someone that will do it.
Nothing Obama can say or do to make that better.
nini
(16,672 posts)but he is not the sitting president.
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)He could still help our country if he cared to.
nini
(16,672 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)Trump is going to be inaugurated no matter how distasteful it may be.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Confusing tradition with result is your first flaw.
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StevieM
(10,500 posts)Cha
(297,322 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)This is decorum. But we as consumers do not have to watch.
We can try something really unique by taking responsibility for what we choose to consume. It's on us.
TygrBright
(20,762 posts)Simply stay away.
That's all I ask.
Let them have their little deploraball with their "movement" friends.
Hanging around "movements" like that can get you all kinds o' nasty exposure to e. coli and worse.
Not to mention the smell.
disgustedly,
Bright
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)Angrychair.