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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor those incensed by Trumps tweet re John Lewis
you should be aware that the self-proclaimed True Progressives at JPR are not only in complete agreement with Trumplethinskins assessment, but feel that he didnt go far enough in discrediting the civil rights icon:
You sold your legacy of police beatings and marches for civil rights with MLK to align yourself with the biggest corporate sellout loser candidate the dems have ever run. So when you take to the stage and claim that Trump isnt a legitimate president, not only are you wrong, youre also to blame for his having been elected in the first place.
He went from Civil Rights Icon to Civil Rights Sell-out. Despicable.
He actively worked to take down the people's candidate and helped sink his the campaign of a fellow civil rights champion. His support of $hillary who was illegitimate in so many ways, greatly weakens his charges against Trump. Lewis helped sink the most legitimate candidate we have had in my lifetime. His opinion on who is legitimate or not does not move me.
Well, he supported a white supremacist and a white supremacist got elected. So I dunno what his problem would be.
How's his Super Delegate shit working for him now?? And his low life arm twisting
oh yeah
he is throwing his temper tantrum now!! tough shit!!
Fuck him and fuck his civil rights cred. You have no street cred now, Mr. Lewis. You could have been MLKs Siamese twin, but that means jack shit now. You sell out. Hillary ass kisser. Fuck off and cry.
Also on the JPR homefront: Trump is the legitimately-elected pOTUS, and all stories about his Russian ties are fake news. The Establishment is trying to steal his presidency away from him because they were planning a war with Russia, and the peace-loving Trump - as always mindful of the welfare of others - is standing in their way by pursuing a meaningful friendship with Putin.
Amazed at how the (alleged) True Progressives on JPR have so quickly morphed into Trumpettes? You shouldnt be. Thats what happens when a site full of malleable malcontents is overrun with RWers, and are willing to swallow any swill emanating from anti-Dem sources.
JPR takes the enemy of my enemy is my friend idiocy to a whole new level. They are now on-board with Mr. Tangerine Man, based solely on the fact that he saved them from the horrors that a Hillary presidency would have brought about like appointing billionaire, Goldman-Sachs-type corporatists to her Cabinet. (So glad we dodged THAT bullet!)
So beware of Trumpettes wearing JPR's version of True Progressive clothing. They were RWers (or RW wannabees) all along or sadder still, mindless sheep willing to follow the Judas Goat without hesitation, while pretending to be independent "thinkers" immune to being led by the nose to the slaughterhouse.
madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)A website established by (alleged) Bernie supporters during the primaries to escape the "persecution" of BS supporters by the DU admins.
The site was started by banned DUers who needed a place to post their anti-HRC/anti-Dem bullshit. Other banned DUers quickly signed-up at JPR, along with (alleged) Bernie supporters who wanted to call Hillary a "c*nt" without having their posts removed.
The site was quickly taken over by RWers who saw an opportunity to turn disgruntled Dems into RW adherents - and it worked extremely well. Those who once claimed to be True Progressives (tm) lost no time in becoming RW sheep, eager to post links to RW sources as "proof" of the corruption of the Democratic Party.
JPR worked tirelessly throughout the campaign to disparage Dems, and exalt Republicans as the true heroes of democracy.
The posters there are now convinced (as only the easily-led can be convinced) that Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the country - a truly concerned, peace-loving pOTUS who is being maligned by HRC/Dem voters who can't accept that she lost to the "better candidate".
madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)That is scary. People can be so easily made to change the way they see the world. It sounds like a cult.
Thank you for the explanation.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)along with others who agree with them in general but are less extreme. They will all vote for a few Democratic candidates who wear their label and shout their slogans, but they often refuse to vote for others. I've had people right here on DU tell me that they won't vote for mainstream Democrats, even to keep the seats out of Republican hands, as a matter of conscience.
When I see THESE people referred to as our party's dependable base, instead of people who've been voting reliably Democratic for years, I strongly question the source's agenda.
HERE's the latest product of their conscience:
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Part of what it talked about was flipping Bernie supporters to Trump supporters. Sounds like it was a rousing success..
Makes me wonder if the Russians working the JPR had anything to do with hacking this site.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)It was a study in how the easily-led are - well, so easily led. In fact, VERY easily led.
Not surprisingly, it's the people who are constantly touting their independent thinking who were the most prone to "going along with the crowd", even when that meant taking completely opposite positions to those they'd held all along.
And those who yelled the loudest about not believing anything without verification were the first to get sucked into conspiracy theories that were not only fact-free, but completely devoid of common sense.
It was quite an eye-opener - watching people I'd formerly thought of as rational human beings suddenly embracing Pizzagate, and quoting Alex Jones as a highly-respected, reputable source.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)All the Russia Times talking points are there. JPR and many sites like it, plus all the fake news spread via Facebook and twitter, are part of the Trump campaign strategy run by the Russians.
Literally hundreds of DUers were taken in, as evidenced by their posting and reccing absurdly false stories about Hillary Clinton on JPR. All those people in turn spread the lies to friends and families. Echoes of it are still resonating on DU.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)It is very, very obvious.
Just how it is obvious DU was infiltrated during the primaries, and then attacked and silenced on Election Day.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)could be the source of those nasty "Bernie Bros" who were instigating divide and conquer tactics here, there and everywhere.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)someone else's Screen Handle . Billy and Ken are rolling in their graves .
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)Gothmog
(145,314 posts)These idiots hate democrats and believe that russia and putin are our friends.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and it all started back during the Obama campaign, the second one, when irrational stuff was being spouted to the point that another group was formed privately to support Obama
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)Evidently anyone who complains about russia and putin stealing the election are bad people who want nuclear war with russia. I wish that I was making this up
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Years ago, anybody on DU who pointed out Iran's anti-gay policies was accused of wanting war with Iran. Same exact strategy.
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)marybourg
(12,633 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)It's a small outpost of dead-enders. Who cares what they think?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)When we find ourselves talking to haters here, we should consider that they really belong there.
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)You will see a number of familiar names from this board
yardwork
(61,650 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)If we don't want to keep repeating the same mistakes and continue to be taken in - and lose - we have to face what happened and is still happening.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Some come and try and sow discord and division here. It worked during the primaries, although not as much now. They reswarmed DU after the election, which is why I stayed away.
The only way to survive the next few years is unity and solidarity.
Remember how DU was attacked and silenced Election Day and the week after?
That's why.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)All of them.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Sid
Nice sig line.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I am not a Trumpette. The site was OK when it was pro-Bernie, but then it crossed the line.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I had to hide under my desk and go down to the scary basement of my one-room school house too often, courtesy of the Ruskies, I spent several days in a bomb shelter during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I can't stomach much 'pro-Putin' talk.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...that guy who was briefly (self) associated with our party.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)and supported Hillary during the GE. JPR is a small collection of people who never understood what was at stake, and I'd thank you for refraining from painting us all with an unfairly broad brush. We are all, I hope, now united in opposing and resisting Trump instead of refighting the primaries.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And tossing mud balls at the Big Tent while he's at it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)Let it go. He's fighting Trump, too.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)who is trying to stand up against Trump and the GOP. Right now Bernie is working hard to save the ACA, Medicare and Social Security from what the GOP is trying to do. That's important; the other shit isn't.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)more
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts). . .the completely reasonable suggestion of a legislator who doesn't want to behave like the repubs for the last 8 years.
If they had done that, a lot more good would have been done on behalf of the public.
There's a difference between listening to reason and recognizing a good idea when you hear one, and pure obstructionism.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)still_one
(92,219 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and I don't think that should be ignored as just some campaign nonsense.
To attack John Lewis, in the ways he was jumped on here for an understandable misinterpretation of his remarks betrayed a fundamental lack of appreciation for the fights and struggles he's endured.
Let's just note, though, to avoid ruffling sensibilities, that the criticisms weren't coming from Hillary Clinton supporters, and very few (if any) retractions were offered in the face of his explanation for the gaffe.
It's weird for me to see this brushed under the rug, but, oh, well.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)But not all of the assholes on DU were Bernie supporters, which is why JPL was created in the first place - to get away from some other assholes. It's regrettable that it became what it is. As to John Lewis, I did not disparage him, nor did many other Sanders supporters. Furthermore, it appeared at that time that the reports of "many" Bernie supporters doing so actually came from David Brock:
Brock recently acquired Blue Nation Review and is using it to further Clinton's campaign. Brock's Correct the Record SuperPAC works closely with the Clinton campaign through a series of creative federal loopholes.
There's no question Brock supports Clinton. No reason to even argue that point.
But what Brock did today hearkens back to his time as a right-winger hell bent on destroying Anita Hill to further the nomination of now Justice Clarence Thomas, arguably the most incompetent member of the Supreme Court.
Within an hour or two of Lewis' comments, Brock's "reporter" had a story lined up and ready about how Sanders' supporters were trolling Lewis: http://bluenationreview.com/civil-rights-legend-john-lewis-trolled-by-bernie-supporters/
Pretty quick "reporting" there, Brock. Or was this a political set up?
When one reads most of the comments, they are from people who SAY Sanders supporters are trolling Lewis, but aren't Tweets from those who actually are. Most of the comments are from Twitter denizens who are warning trollers not to troll, which is fine and perfectly acceptable, but it's still not examples of a cadre of race-baiting Sanders supporters.
There are some derogatory comments, sure, but not from self-described Sanders supporters. A quick read of their accounts don't even MENTION Bernie Sanders on their homes pages and some are obvious right-wingers.
So how many Bernie supporters making angry statements did Brock's team dig up?
Two.
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/12511205305#post1
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...or the comments here that I'm talking about, many from prominent DUers.
I really don't know why you think defending yourself is a sufficient explanation. It's also unconvincing and a bit disingenuous to suggest Brock (who I've never focused on, or read more than excerpts provided here by his detractors) is the source of my experiences during the primary here.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Insisting something we all witnessed in real time was invented by some media foe. Like we don't know what we saw.
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)The JPR asses are sick puppies
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Go too far to the left, you end up holding hands with the right.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)We live in strange times.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Cha
(297,304 posts)John Lewis?!!!!
Just how full of shite are these people? Never mind.. don't want to know.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)I do not read JPR, but I read FR (know your enemy). Some of that sounds like FR.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... when it started sounding like FR. The similarity between the two sites was, and still is, unmistakable.
NBachers
(17,120 posts)environment to support them. They become a writhing mass of psychotic cannibals.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Number 1&2 on Amazon. I had to block some hateful faux-lefty shitheads on social media today over this--but I hope John Lewis knows the majority of us love and cherish him.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)Cha
(297,304 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... "More true than funny."
Stockholm Syndrome: feelings of trust or affection felt in certain cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor.
JPR is a classic example of "victims" embracing their RW captors.
So if the syndrome fits ...
The Polack MSgt
(13,189 posts)That was an eye opening time here in DU.
I was glad to see that gaggle of shit heads walk away from here.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)It should be surrounded by wind turbines. When life gives you True Progressives, make lemonade.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)on the other hand though, the more you call them out more attention they get, and let's not forget getting any attention, even negative attention as part of our strategy. I understand you are trying to get people away from their so that they don't get sucked in, the way some religions more people at county fairs with "free stress test", however I would just simply add a bit of caution must a bunch people who never even went to that site now go over there, look, and then wind up drinking the Kool-Aid.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)I want them to get attention - LOTS of it - as much as possible.
It's the tried-and-true way of exposing charlatans - snake oil salesmen, ponzi scheme promoters, even Russian trolls - or those who pose as True Progressives (TM) when they're really RWers.
Anyone who goes there and winds up "drinking the Kool-aid" was bound to do so eventually anyway. The weak-minded are always vulnerable, easily sucked-in.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)take names, Nance! JPR is a flat-out conglomeration of frauds.
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)It's a very small number of silly people who don't deserve any attention at all. They're like this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoichi_Yokoi or the Southerners who are still fighting the Civil War. In fact, making a big deal over some nitwits at JPL isn't much different - it's basically refighting the primaries, which is stupid, divisive and counterproductive. I'm done; you guys can hang out with Shoichi Yokoi and fuss over the meanies at JPL but I'd rather concentrate my efforts on counteracting an actual danger, that being the administration of Donald Trump.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)the energy being put forth to complain about them, is why.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)that and Mock the shit out of them for what they helped rain down upon this country. Never mind the racist and misogynistic bullshit they were allowed to spew here for over a year.
Don't like it. Don't click on it.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Trying to get people to pretend these folks don't exist is a waste of energy. There are many lessons to be learned and that place is a shining product of the propaganda machine that was in full force this election.
So how is it a waste to discuss those lessons? What is a big waste of energy is trying to shame people for discussing those lessons. And it's an even bigger waste of energy trying to defend the water carriers as I've seen others do recently.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"But who cares?"
It follows that everyone responding on this thread does to some extent... including yourself.
"but I'd rather concentrate my efforts on counteracting..."
As you continue to pretend that observance of the one denies action on the other, and as you continue to minimize and trivialize those same observances, you illustrate your own narrative much more than you may realize.
You're trying too hard.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)That's not the point of this OP. I don't want to put words into Nance's mouth; this is my idea only: the point is, right now many of these people are swarming back into DU like a plague of locusts. They're up to their usual tricks of trashing anyone, including an icon like John Lewis, who dared support the Democratic candidate. They have to be a bit more subtle than at JPR, but just peruse Postmortem any day of the week and you'll see their poison.
mcar
(42,334 posts)how Trump makes mistakes but is well meaning. He's trying to keep us from war, doncha know, unlike that warmonger bi$@# Hillary.
The very familiar posters all try to sound so intellectual and liberal. They sound like a bunch of kiddle schoolers who just learned about Marxism (apologies to middle schoolers).
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... that "special kind of stupid".
After months of posts about how HRC was dying, was walking around in a full-body brace to hide her condition, was using a body-double for appearances to keep her fatal illness secret from the public, I've yet to hear a single one of them explain what can only be described as a miraculous recovery.
They will literally swallow anything.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Will continue to sabotage the Democratic Party, depite the clear danger to all human beings of the Republicans weak sauce they offer as "policy".
They are so addicted to being right, they really will watch the world burn in the most literal sense. I want to keep these assholes from having anything to do with our party. They are sick, and yes they need help--but the first step is admitting you have a problem. I don't see that happening, so yes, we need to be diligent, and not give their bullshit a pass, the recent--and almost classic-- example being The Trashing of Cory Booker.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)And have since early in the primaries.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)
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bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and still believe he advocated 'moving the party to the right.'
That's just pablum generated by a campaign for someone who voted well over 90% of the time with Hillary.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)They include procedural votes that are party-line all the way.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)but you refuse to grant people of color the same consideration that your failed candidate insists we give Trump voters demonstrates how that cmpaign managed to alienate the great majority of people of color and Democrats more generally.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...in an amazingly hypocritical, cynical attempt to curry favor with black voters.
JI7
(89,252 posts)90 percent of black women voted for Russ Feingold. 30 percent of White Men voted for Feingold.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Where voters of color backed the neoliberal bigly.
JI7
(89,252 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... voted for who they wanted as their candidate, instead of who you wanted them to vote for.
How long is this cry-fest going to continue? Bernie lost the nomination because the majority of Democrats wanted HRC as their nominee, NOT Bernie. I'm not quite sure why that fact is beyond some people's comprehension.
Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #56)
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JI7
(89,252 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... so where does that leave him?
BTW, was the "drunken goat" the target of Russian interference and Comey slamming down his fist on the scales ten days before the election?
Face it - with all of HRC's alleged "baggage" weighing her down, the pure-and-pristine, can-do-no-wrong Bernie still couldn't win among the voters whose ticket he was supposedly running on.
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)A number of the groups who make up the Democratic base rejected Sanders
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)No neoliberal was part of the Dem primary.
Keep tryin', we ain't buyin'.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... when John Lewis' FaceBook page was littered with vile, racist comments by Bernie supporters when he endorsed HRC.
And then there were the equally vile and misogynistic comments left by Bernie supporters on Elizabeth Warren's FaceBook page when she failed to endorse Bernie.
If you want to believe that Lewis' endorsement meant AAs and Latinas were moving the party to the right, that's your prerogative - as laughable as it may be.
Maybe Bernie supporters should have been more concerned with their own behaviour, which opened a lot of eyes as to the types of people who were supporting him.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Someone in this convo is on the right. I don't know any dem who insults John Lewis.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... always draw them out. Gee, I wonder why?
"I don't know any dem who insults John Lewis."
Neither do I.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)I will never forgive.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)I know where to find it.
I suspect everyone else can figure out how to get there too.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Bright light is a good disinfectant.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)FSB employees as a disinformation and propaganda site.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)It's not too far fetched.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I have even wondered if an old internet friend has died and someone has taken over her sign-ons because she's become so vicious about democrats lately.
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)The JPR idiots really hate John Lewis and have attacked him on other threads in the past
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,010 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)Anybody posting there who isn't getting paid is being duped, imo.
still_one
(92,219 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)We really need to do a better job in this country of getting people access to care. We need to fight harder. We need to help these people. At this point they have been let down by family, friends, and society. Not all mental illness manifests itself in such hatred. That said, society would be a better place if we could get control and provide some of these people with the help they so desperately need.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Gothmog
(145,314 posts)Gothmog
(145,314 posts)For educational purposes, here are some additional posts from two more threads
Thank you Rep John Lewis- For electing Trump. You and the other Hillbots racist attacks on Bernie has driven a wedge in the Democratic heart.
Feel free to retire, sell-out.-Sounds like your once great spine has osteoporosed to the point of non-existence.
So many people staked their careers and reputations on that awful woman-instead of supporting Bernie which was the right thing to do.
Seeing John Lewis stand there and tarnish Bernie's record was the breaking point-That was the day that I said to myself there isnt anything Hillary could do to earn my vote. Totally shameful. I felt that there had to be some serious pressure on him to say what he said about Bernie.
It was a bullshit excuse that he gave and the damage had already been done.-That, combined with the Jonathan Capehart lie that the photos of Bernie at the University of Chicago werent really of Bernie, did a lot of damage. There was no need for John Lewis to do that, he could have endorsed Hillary without smearing him. He did an awful thing
Thank you!!!!!!! no sympathy here,sellout Lewis-he went against what MLK stood for.
exacty. Thank you. MLK Jr. fought for Civil Rights, and denounced economic-injustice and war. The entire Democratic Party has abandoned economic justice and peace! Hillary supporters actually shouted USA! USA! when Bernie delegates shouted No more war! during Leon Pannettas speech. Since when did no more war become an unacceptable phrase in the Democratic Party?
Whatever is said to that BS, lying, POS
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it cannot be loud enough. He fucked over someone who worked his ass off for equality to support a Goldwater Girl. Fuck you, John Lewis, you are traitor as far as I am concerned.
I used to have so much respect for him-But my eyes have been opened and they cant close again. At the time he probably was like you owe me so he took it. Now they just use him, they bring him out for the AA vote. How can he believe what he is saying, I cant find any reasoning in this. He KNOWS who they are and is accepting it.
BTW, I excluded a couple of posts using the F-word.
The degree of hatred on that site is amazing
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to: "You Wall Street sellout!!!" 4.3 minutes after she endorsed HRC....
You needed antibiotics if you even looked at her FB page.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That there are actually many strong similarities between those on the farther left and the farther right, the more extreme the more they have in common with each other, including extreme righteousness and hostility to those not with them, and the less they have in common with everyone else.
In fact, this time last century communist and fascist groups were successfully wooing each others' followers, so no surprise that some of these people apparently voted for Trump and some others just hoped for a Republican victory as a necessary first step to destroying the evil Democratic Party. You know, to clear the way for or herald the beginning of their revolution, or whatever.