Sorry Folk The GOP Is Going To Kill ACA No Matter How Many Americans Die.

[TheMastersNemesis]

No amount of pleading, protesting, or petitioning the GOP is going to kill you anyway. The GOP is a homicidal party and we just let them go along believing the usual governing ways will work. Well the GOP has pretty much destroyed all that.

All you have to look at is how they have been acting as the inauguration approaches. They are using all the tactics the Nazis used.

[roamer65]

1. Let's use the proper term for it...GENOCIDE.

[still_one]

2. no doubt about it, and it isn't just the ACA, Medicare and Medicaid are on the chopping block also

It will be based on his HHS and Ryan's proposals. It is privatization, and it will be bad

Here are five key planks in his own health care proposal:

1.Price's plan offers fixed tax credits so people can buy their own insurance on the private market. The credit starts at $1,200 a year and rises with age, but isn't adjusted for income. Everyone receives the same credit whether they are rich or poor. People on Medicaid, Medicare, the military health plan known as Tricare, or the Veterans Affairs' health plan could opt instead for the tax credit to buy private insurance.
2.Price advocates for expansion of health savings accounts, which allow people to save money before taxes to pay for health care. This includes allowing people who are covered by government health programs including Medicare and the VA to contribute to health savings accounts to pay for premiums and copayments. These proposals are included in Ryan's plan.
3.People with existing medical conditions couldn't be denied coverage under Price's plan as long as they had continuous insurance for 18 months prior to selecting a new policy. If they didn't, then they could be denied coverage for that condition for up to 18 months after buying a new plan.
4.The Price proposal limits the amount of money companies can deduct from their taxes for employee health insurance expenses. Companies can deduct up to $20,000 for a family health insurance plan and $8,000 for an individual. The goal is to discourage companies from offering overly generous insurance benefits to their workers. Ryan's plan proposes a cap on the employer tax deduction but doesn't specify the level of the cap.
5.States would get federal money to create so-called high-risk pools under Price's plan. These are government-run health plans for people with existing medical conditions who can't get affordable health insurance on the private market. Critics say high-risk pools have been tried in as many as 34 states and largely failed because they were routinely underfunded.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/29/503720671/5-things-to-know-about-rep-tom-prices-health-care-ideas

The only tool we have is mass protests like this country hasn't seen since the civil rights movement and the Viet Nam War, and they can't let up

[TreasonousBastard]

5. Snce there are income limits on VA and Medicaid coverage, WTF do tax credits...

or health savings accounts mean?

[still_one]

8. They are insane

[TheMastersNemesis]

13. You Will Get A "Coupon" For Your Premium To Buy Whatever You Can. It Will Fall Far Short.

You might end up paying thousands a month for your coverage.

[TreasonousBastard]

16. Yeah, that's what scares me.

[SHRED]

6. And the VA

And TriCare.

[TheMastersNemesis]

12. VA Will Be Dismantled. Vets & Retirees Will Get Vouchers.

[SHRED]

18. Let's call them "coupons"

Cheap ones.

[RKP5637]

3. Too bad so damn many Americans are sooooo stupid as to not get what's going on.

Like DUH! Typical deplorable speak, I voted for Trump to get rid of Obamacare. Now they say, WTF, why is he taking away Obamacare. Fuck, these people are too damn dumb to even describe.

[physioex]

7. That's right....

Many of us worked our asses to stop this traitor but failed miserably, my hands are clean....

[Jacob Boehme]

4. EFFIGY

Last night
I saw a fire burning on
The palace lawn.
O'er the land
The humble subjects watched in mixed
Emotion.

Who is burnin'?
Who is burnin'?
Effigy.
Who is burnin'?
Who is burnin'?
Effigy.

Last night
I saw the fire spreadin' to
The palace door.
Silent majority
Weren't keepin' quiet
Anymore.

[hollowdweller]

9. Here's what I think

The people who are on because of medicaid expansion. They are in the income group that turns out at very low levels in elections so they can probably cut them off easily. Do it like they have done abortion, make it more restrictive and more restrictive over time till they are all gone. Won't hurt them politically.

They they will try to keep the people on the exchanges happy longer since they are higher income and vote.

[pangaia]

10. What if you are 73 retired and have Medicare?

[lastlib]

14. You. Are. F*-*CKED.

Hope you've lived a good life, and know the Lord Jesus Christ, becuz you are gonna die on "GOPeeDon'tCare". Sorry, but that's what you get for not being in the 1 percent under Drumpf.

[flamingdem]

11. ACA is intertwined with Medicare, no?

How will that play out, anyone know?

[TreasonousBastard]

15. This is their chance to kill medicare...

I have VA and Medicare, so Obamacare has nothing to do with me. How the VA works is simply that my VA expenses are picked up by medicare to the extent covered. What's not covered under Medicare is still covered by the VA. I still can, and do, go to non-VA providers under Medicare.

The VA covers drugs, though. But, they have to be prescribed by VA doctors and distributed by VA pharmacies. And there is a small copay. Most of my meds are generic, but insulin is the big ticket item and covered by VA. A small problem is that if I want to buy metformin locally at even less than the VA copay, I have to get a prescription from a non-VA doctor. PITA, but it works out OK.

Now, the geniuses running the Republicans these days are looking to upset the whole mess. If anyone wanted to really straighten things out, it could be done over years, but these guys are chomping at the bit for an excuse to dump Medicare and Medicaid. I don't think they really understand the VA system, but kneejerk at cheering anything military related.

So, I fear they will try to kill both, with disastrous results.

Wait until they find out about the Indian Health Service and the US Public Health Service.

[Motown_Johnny]

19. Medicare would have run out of funds in 2016. ACA extended it 8 years.

So, yes. Obamacare does have something to do with you.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. Last year? Don't have time to dig around for numbers, but that seems a little off.

[Motown_Johnny]

41. Different sources had different estimates... but.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/04/23/trustees-medicare-will-go-broke-in-2016-if-you-exclude-obamacares-double-counting/#62b2972a548b

^snip^

The Trustees of the Medicare program have released their annual report on the solvency of the program. They calculate that the program is “expected to remain solvent until 2024, the same as last year’s estimate.” But what that headline obfuscates is that Obamacare’s tax increases and spending cuts are counted towards the program’s alleged “deficit-neutrality,” Medicare is to go bankrupt in 2016. And if you listen to Medicare's own actuary, Richard Foster, the program's bankruptcy could come even sooner than that.

[flamingdem]

28. Not me, I'm on ACA and very happy with it..

but want those on Medicare to get a heads up that it's not just us 20 million who will be screwn

[jmowreader]

23. Wait till they find out about the Army Medical Command

How dare those freeloading soldiers think they can go out and sponge off the taxpayer just because they got shot in a war, blown up in a training accident, or contracted food poisoning from eating in the mess hall. Come to think of it, why are those useless government employees under the impression they can get by without paying for the food they eat in the chow halls or paying rent for their barracks rooms?*

* Room and board are part of a soldier's pay.

[Doreen]

20. OK, for me my Medicare IS intertwined with ACA.

I know this because as ACA came in everything that came into it came into my Medicare also. Now when congress just also voted to take down Medicare and Medicaid along with ACA it is obvious it has been intertwined. Another thing that scares me is they want to dismantle things like SSDI and if that is gone I am 100% screwed because I am not able to work because of disability. If I have NO money how do I get tax credit for health insurance? I know the answer, I DON'T. I know there are millions of people who are in the same place as I am and also who will have it worse. I get told by some my Medicare is not part of it but I have seen way to much going into Medicare along with the opening of ACA to not be intertwined. I have benefited from that mixture of the two.

[Nay]

27. I don't think so -- are you thinking about Medicaid, maybe? That states expanded

Medicaid under ACA if they wanted to? Many red states declined to do it. But that doesn't have anything to do with Medicare.

[flamingdem]

30. I think it's about the financial relationship between the two

that was jiggered to make ACA work

[sarcasmo]

17. Booze and weed, the new pharmacy.

[napi21]

21. I have a few glimmers of hope in the Senate. There are a number of Pubs who will not vote

for repeal unless there is a better plan to replace the ACA. You only need 2-3 Pubs not to vote in favor of any bill and they can't get to the 51 majority, even WITH Pence as President of the Senate, and I know there are more than 3 dissenters. I think there's a strong possibility they will never find a plan that's even equal to the ACA let alone be better,cheaper, and have better coverage, thus the ACA will never be overturned.

[flamingdem]

31. Crazy to find myself thinking kindly of Republicans at all

but the pressure on them is huge, I hope their conscience and common sense wins out

[napi21]

39. Their response has notiung to do with conscience or common sense. They're worried about getting

re-elected. Too many of their constituents are on Obamacare and don't want to lose it.

[flamingdem]

40. True, I have to tamp down my any rosey worldview

in this brave new world x10

[smirkymonkey]

22. Motherfucking bastards!

I really hate those guys. They are pure evil.

[meow2u3]

25. The GOP Is Going To Kill...Americans...

There. I fixed it for you.

Genocidal rethugs!

[leftyladyfrommo]

26. And for no good reason

That's the awful part.

[dalton99a]

32. Well, to spite the black guy

It is racism, pure and simple.

[leftyladyfrommo]

33. That is not a good reason.

That is no reason at all. It is nothing but revenge .

[dalton99a]

34. I know.

[leftyladyfrommo]

36. This Congress we have us absolutely worthless.

Worse than worthless. They are dangerous to all Americans.

[dalton99a]

29. Prognosis is very poor, indeed

[titaniumsalute]

35. Bullshit

When they host a town hall, like in Aurora, CO. show up en masse. Flood their phones, flood their Facebook pages, flood their Twitter feeds, flood their Instagram pages, flood their offices, flood their email boxes. Chase them down and demand answers. Then vote the mother fuckers out in 2018.

[TheMastersNemesis]

37. I Really Hope You Are Correct. Hunting Them Down Sounds Good.

You would think they will give in. We better act fast because the GOP will try to wreck things before anyone can react.

[titaniumsalute]

38. True that