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*****BREAKING***** POTUS COMMUTES CHELSEA MANNING'S SENTENCE- TO BE REALEASED IN MAY ! (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 OP
Best Prez ever! bravenak Jan 2017 #1
Commuted her sentence, to be exact. herding cats Jan 2017 #2
Unless it was edited there was no reference to gender in the OP. George II Jan 2017 #5
so what? mopinko Jan 2017 #7
The OP stated she'd been pardoned. herding cats Jan 2017 #8
As I said, "unless it was edited " George II Jan 2017 #21
The OP simply used the name CHELSEA -- karynnj Jan 2017 #11
Might as well say it here. I favor the pardon because she didn't have a political motive. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #14
I have mixed feelings karynnj Jan 2017 #20
The only way I would agree to Manning being pardoned, not the sentence commuted,.... George II Jan 2017 #30
You aren't happy to know that your phone company is mining all your information? tavalon Jan 2017 #50
What's worse - the phone companies "mining" my information (which they're not, by the way).... George II Jan 2017 #54
So...a three level chess game by a mastermind Dr. Snowden LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #58
Are you denying that Snowden took almost 2 million documents to first China and then Russia? George II Jan 2017 #60
And? Rex Jan 2017 #24
K&R... spanone Jan 2017 #3
Yay good news, Commuted to this May. Congrats Chelsea Manning! Sunlei Jan 2017 #4
The best news I've heard today. liberalmuse Jan 2017 #6
Thank you POTUS! dragonfly301 Jan 2017 #9
DONE! Hekate Jan 2017 #10
Good. Now free Seigelman Arazi Jan 2017 #12
AMEN - Siegelman, a Rove political prisoner - Bring on his pardon! Justitia Jan 2017 #17
Yep. This needs to be done yesterday. nt Ilsa Jan 2017 #19
Yes..Free Don Siegelman! lucca18 Jan 2017 #35
Can't....siegelman's not jailed on federal charges SticksnStones Jan 2017 #38
Siegelman is in federal prison, the president could pardon or commute his sentence. tammywammy Jan 2017 #49
Siegel man will be free 3 months after Manning. herding cats Jan 2017 #46
Awesome! Thanks for the info DSB! TheBlackAdder Jan 2017 #13
Great news Dopers_Greed Jan 2017 #15
Didn't Snowden forego his pardon based on the commutation of Manning's prison term? n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #22
That was my understanding bravenak Jan 2017 #28
I thought so. So why are Snowden's fanbois trying to change the terms of Manning's release? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #32
Some people cannot keep their word. bravenak Jan 2017 #37
Can't say I expected that one underpants Jan 2017 #16
Thank You Mr. President! Just 4 more months of prison hell. Congrats, Chelsea! downeastdaniel Jan 2017 #18
YES!!! Best president Evah!!!! Nt LostOne4Ever Jan 2017 #23
this brings tears to my eyes oldtime dfl_er Jan 2017 #25
K&R mcar Jan 2017 #26
Terrific. zentrum Jan 2017 #27
eggscllent. AllaN01Bear Jan 2017 #29
I'm glad he preserved the conviction... Adrahil Jan 2017 #31
oh handmade34 Jan 2017 #33
Chelsea Manning should never have stood trial in the first place. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2017 #34
Congradulations Chelsea!!! Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #36
Seriously? SticksnStones Jan 2017 #39
What is your question? Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #44
This is very good news. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #42
Assange promised to surrender and return to the US if Manning was freed Takket Jan 2017 #40
+1! eleny Jan 2017 #41
If you believe that I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. nycbos Jan 2017 #47
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2017 #43
Having read about the conditions during her military detention bhikkhu Jan 2017 #45
This this is the a**hole.. nycbos Jan 2017 #48
Wished he would have pardoned Peltier burrowowl Jan 2017 #51
Beat me to it. malthaussen Jan 2017 #53
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #59
WOW!!!! Cha Jan 2017 #52
Chelsea Manning alicenuffer Jan 2017 #55
Thanks Mr. Prez - FairWinds Jan 2017 #56
Leonard Peltier and Don Segelman still rot on prison. One out of three ain't bad. Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #57
For some reason, Manning's detractors insist that she . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #61

herding cats

(19,561 posts)
8. The OP stated she'd been pardoned.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:38 PM
Jan 2017

I was just pointing out the sentence was commuted and offered the release month as well.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
11. The OP simply used the name CHELSEA --
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:42 PM
Jan 2017

How many male Chelseas do you know? The OP DID implicitly specify a gender by using Chelsea rather than Bradley. Why do you have a problem with the pronoun used?

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
20. I have mixed feelings
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:02 PM
Jan 2017

Had she JUST put out the video of the atrocities in Iraq, I would have been extremely in favor of her being treated as a whistle blower - and had she still been tried and sentenced - for her commutation. The Iraqi tape gave credence to allegations well known both in the Arab world and the US, but the problem was the atrocities, not that a film of it was now in the public domain. Also, by the time it was released it was already old news.

However, after that - likely prodded by Wikileaks to give them more -- she dumped lots of raw State Department cables that were then put out by wikileaks. This meant that people who were sources for information in risky countries were identified. It also meant that raw reports were given a credibility, they never otherwise would have had. Some pieces of "information" would be quickly discredited when examined in the context of other information.

You could say that the leaks of the cable did embarrass Secretary Clinton on a few issues. Even more, you can draw a direct line - from the cables embarrassing Clinton on a few issues, to the reaction of the Obama administration being a motive for harming the Clinton campaign.

However, Manning could not control forces that she set in affect once she handed over the content of the cables. I do not see her as a hero, I see her as a very troubled person, who even after she is released will need a lot of help.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. The only way I would agree to Manning being pardoned, not the sentence commuted,....
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jan 2017

...is if Assange and Snowden travel to the United States to face their crimes. Manning was duped, the other two openly violated the law.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
50. You aren't happy to know that your phone company is mining all your information?
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:00 AM
Jan 2017

Snowden is a hero. Whistle blowers used to have protections.

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. What's worse - the phone companies "mining" my information (which they're not, by the way)....
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:31 AM
Jan 2017

.....or Snowden giving my information to the Chinese and Russians?

Any coincidence that he first went to Hong Kong and then Moscow? Any coincidence that since he's been in Moscow they've learned how to hack into just about any system that they want?

Finally, whistle blowers don't flee the country.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
58. So...a three level chess game by a mastermind Dr. Snowden
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

Many thought he was just a low level computer operator, but unbeknownst to us has the ability to hack the most secure systems in the US, and was helping his new buddy Putin with this which cumulated in his grand plan of having Donald Trump become President of the USA! Brilliant! Because Trump is going to pardon him as soon as he gets into office.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
38. Can't....siegelman's not jailed on federal charges
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:12 PM
Jan 2017

Obama doesn't have the power to intercede.

As sad as that is...

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
15. Great news
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:45 PM
Jan 2017

Though now the "progressives" on my social media feed are already starting to moan that he's not pardoning Putin's puppet (Snowden) as well

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
37. Some people cannot keep their word.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:51 PM
Jan 2017

I find that deplorable and hope Snowden stays in Russia forever. Assange can move there too

underpants

(182,768 posts)
16. Can't say I expected that one
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:49 PM
Jan 2017

I saw that Manning was on the short list but this is surprising. Not saying I agree or disagree but just that I am surprised.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
31. I'm glad he preserved the conviction...
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:51 PM
Jan 2017

... but enough. Good commute. Besides, that asshat Assange is the one who should be in jail.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
34. Chelsea Manning should never have stood trial in the first place.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:18 PM
Jan 2017

She was put through the kind of hell we used to strongly criticize totalitarian countries for. I just hope she's able to start a new life once she's free.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
36. Congradulations Chelsea!!!
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:39 PM
Jan 2017

Your nightmare will soon be over!

I wonder if she will be able to tell us about the torture she endured while in military prison for 7 years?

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
42. This is very good news.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jan 2017

From what I've read, some of the treatment she received in prison was unjustified. Just awful abuse, imho.

Takket

(21,558 posts)
40. Assange promised to surrender and return to the US if Manning was freed
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:19 PM
Jan 2017

Per @wikileaks tweet on Jan 12th, so we are waiting patiently now for Assange to surrender himself.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
45. Having read about the conditions during her military detention
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:09 PM
Jan 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un

...while I recognize there was wrongdoing, the cruelty of the punishment was a far greater thing. I'm glad she'll go free, and I hope she'll be able to have the sort of opportunities the rest of us enjoy going forward.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
48. This this is the a**hole..
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:57 PM
Jan 2017

... who helped put Wikileaks on the map. Why is it a good thing?


Wikileaks is one of the reason we have a the orange man as POTUS?


Maybe 2045 to to harsh but i do not believe she should get out so soon.


LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
59. +1000
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:49 PM
Jan 2017

If there ever was an example of the lie that the US does not hold political prisoners it is the Peltier case. And for such a long time already. Enough.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
56. Thanks Mr. Prez -
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:09 PM
Jan 2017

Folks, we need more whistle blowers, not fewer.

If we had them, we'd be able to stay out of dumb wars
(like Vietnam & Iraq), and the US might become more of a
good global citizen by not trashing democracies such as
Chile, Greece, Brazil, Guatemala, Iran and etc.

Generally it is the US government that is the law breaker,
and the whistle blowers are following their oaths to the
constitution by exposing it.

Veterans For Peace

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
61. For some reason, Manning's detractors insist that she . .
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 04:14 PM
Jan 2017

did a great deal of harm.

But they never provide sources.

On the other hand, there is this . . from NPR

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/just-how-damaging-were-mannings-wikileaks/

It's just amazing how some folks can call for Manning's scalp
while the torturers walk free among us . .

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