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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:08 PM Jan 2017

Why Chelsea Manning but not Edward Snowden?

Because the two cases are very different -- and she has already served 7 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html?_r=0

Asked about the two clemency applications on Friday, the White House spokesman, Josh Earnest, discussed the “pretty stark difference” between Ms. Manning’s case for mercy and Mr. Snowden’s. While their offenses were similar, he said, there were “some important differences.”

“Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing,” he said. “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”

He also noted that while the documents Ms. Manning provided to WikiLeaks were “damaging to national security,” the ones Mr. Snowden disclosed were “far more serious and far more dangerous.” (None of the documents Ms. Manning disclosed were classified above the merely “secret” level.)

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Why Chelsea Manning but not Edward Snowden? (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2017 OP
But not Don Seigelman? Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #1
I agree. His case is entirely different and I don't understand why pnwmom Jan 2017 #8
The Obama administration actually argued for a longer sentence for Seigelman. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2017 #10
Why??? Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #12
You can read the DOJ press release on the resentencing... PoliticAverse Jan 2017 #18
Thanks! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #20
Manning apologized BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #2
Excellent point Hekate Jan 2017 #3
Manning and Snowden are both patriots HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #4
Not only no... but fuck no. NT Adrahil Jan 2017 #5
hear, hear!!! nt Stellar Jan 2017 #6
+1000! mcar Jan 2017 #9
"untold damage" - quite true. I've yet to hear anyone tell of actual damage from Manning Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #37
THANK YOU! nt Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #24
Exactly bravenak Jan 2017 #29
Patriots don't take highly secret government documents to Russia, pnwmom Jan 2017 #7
Snowden could have sent the documents to Russia with no drama HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #11
Yeah, sure he could have -- and then he would have gone to prison here. pnwmom Jan 2017 #14
Unless I missed something, I don't think Snowden took documents to Russia. rgbecker Jan 2017 #13
He took computer files with documents in them. pnwmom Jan 2017 #15
Congressional report: Snowden in 'contact with Russian intelligence' oberliner Jan 2017 #16
Your link says he left the hard drives in Hong Kong. rgbecker Jan 2017 #22
Correct oberliner Jan 2017 #34
There is no proof that he did or did not, he claims not, but it is acceptable to discuss HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #19
. ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #17
Snowden released a ton of info that did not need to be released Drahthaardogs Jan 2017 #23
Not no, but hell NO!!! CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #26
Snowden remains a fugitive jberryhill Jan 2017 #21
Because snowshit is a piece of shit coward traitor Lil Missy Jan 2017 #25
+1000 HipChick Jan 2017 #27
Also, it had to do with compasion. Manning has a lot of emotional issues. She tried to commit still_one Jan 2017 #28
She...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #30
Thank you! n/t Sissyk Jan 2017 #33
edited it still_one Jan 2017 #35
Thank you, very much. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #38
no need for thanks, but appreciated the correction still_one Jan 2017 #41
K & Fking R JHan Jan 2017 #31
I'm not sure we know the full story with Snowden NobodyHere Jan 2017 #32
He hasn't stood trial because he went to Russia. Without a trial, pnwmom Jan 2017 #40
Manning Served Time? TomCADem Jan 2017 #36
Seven years so far -- out of a 35 year sentence. pnwmom Jan 2017 #39
 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
4. Manning and Snowden are both patriots
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:31 PM
Jan 2017

Everything they did was to protect America. Snowden needs to be pardoned now.

mcar

(42,333 posts)
9. +1000!
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jan 2017

Manning's pardon was appropriate for compassionate reasons. But both did untold damage and violated the law.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
37. "untold damage" - quite true. I've yet to hear anyone tell of actual damage from Manning
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:12 PM
Jan 2017

...except of course to the reputation of the USA for committing war crimes.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
7. Patriots don't take highly secret government documents to Russia,
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:51 PM
Jan 2017

documents that put the lives of CIA staff at risk.

Snowden is where he belongs now, unless he wants to follow Manning's lead and return to the US and plead guilty.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
14. Yeah, sure he could have -- and then he would have gone to prison here.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:09 PM
Jan 2017

He chose to go to an enemy country with the documents and that's why he's stuck there.

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
13. Unless I missed something, I don't think Snowden took documents to Russia.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:07 PM
Jan 2017

Do you have something I should read that states otherwise? I believe all documents were transferred via internet directly to journalists via Glenn Greenwald.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. Congressional report: Snowden in 'contact with Russian intelligence'
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:10 PM
Jan 2017
Edward Snowden has been in contact with Russian intelligence officials since arriving in Russia in 2013, according to a new report from Congress.

"Since Snowden's arrival in Moscow, he has had, and continues to have, contact with Russian intelligence services," the 33-page report, issued Thursday by the bipartisan House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/22/politics/edward-snowden-russia-intelligence/

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
22. Your link says he left the hard drives in Hong Kong.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:30 PM
Jan 2017

Nothing to indicate he "Took documents to Russia". Hard to believe that Russian intelligence agents wouldn't have had a talk with him sometime along the way. But there doesn't seem to be any indication from this report that he passed documents to them. His motive seems to be to release the stolen information to the press, which he indeed did and admits freely.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
19. There is no proof that he did or did not, he claims not, but it is acceptable to discuss
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:19 PM
Jan 2017

The premise is that all that it needed was to burn a second copy, and who does not make a backup. There is nothing from the Russians to indicate it ever happened though.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
26. Not no, but hell NO!!!
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jan 2017

Patriots don't release information which puts the lives of fellow Americans in jeopardy. Patriots don't run to Russia and they damn sure don't run to Russia with classified information in their possession and then live in that country supported by the Putin's government. He can rot in Russia or rot in jail.

still_one

(92,201 posts)
28. Also, it had to do with compasion. Manning has a lot of emotional issues. She tried to commit
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jan 2017

suicide twice

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
39. Seven years so far -- out of a 35 year sentence.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:42 PM
Jan 2017

Even though the typical sentence for leakers has been under 3.

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