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CitizenZero

(538 posts)
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:36 AM Feb 2017

Trump: Worst President Ever?

He has only been in office for a few weeks, and Trump has distinguished himself as one of the worst Presidents ever, and maybe also one of the most hated Presidents ever.

The only modern comparison is the detestable Richard Nixon. At least Nixon had a brain to go along with his Megalomania, Bigotry, Dark Paranoia, and Enemies List.

When Sally Yates of the Justice Department was fired for standing against an unlawful and un-American Executive Order, she was being loyal to the Constitution. The Trump Regime described it as a "betrayal" of the Justice Department. In fact, it demonstrated loyalty to the Law and the Constitution.

Nixon had the same problem when he dismissed a Special Prosecutor investigating the Watergate scandal (see "Saturday Night Massacre&quot . Government Officials owe their loyalty to the Constitution and the American People. Not personal loyalty to a Demagogue, like the Orange Dictator Trump.

Still, it took Nixon years to make his mark as a truly awful and detestable President. Trump has established himself as horrible within a couple of weeks. Nixon was forced to resign to avoid impeachment. We could do well to study that history to learn any lessons that might apply to stopping the Trump Regime.

I call it a Regime rather than an Administration, because Administrations are bound by laws and principles. Trump is trying to rule as an Authoritarian/Autocrat using Presidential Orders. He is thus far virulently anti-democratic, and shows no respect for law and due process. He needs to be reined in by the Legislative and Judicial Branches. The People need to keep demonstrating and being active to ensure that the heat stays on our elected officials. The Media must do its part also and continue to shine light on Trump and his Gang.

In any case, I would say that in Modern History, Trump is perhaps already the worst President we have ever had, maybe barring Richard Nixon. I think that we could benefit from studying the Watergate Era to understand how to better oppose Trump and his Cronies. The media and the Counterculture of the time did much to erode support for Nixon, as well as action by the Legislative and Judicial Branches. It makes me hopeful that we can perhaps stop Trump and his Regime the way Nixon was ultimately stopped.

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Trump: Worst President Ever? (Original Post) CitizenZero Feb 2017 OP
I'm old enough to remember Nixon. Trump makes Nixon look like a boy scout. skylucy Feb 2017 #1
Richard Nixon wasn't all bad. milestogo Feb 2017 #2
It Is A Good Point CitizenZero Feb 2017 #5
The other thing about Nixon is this - madaboutharry Feb 2017 #13
Detente with the Soviets and Title IX were big positives for him as well. Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #14
The thing that makes Trump worse than Nixon is the enabling congress world wide wally Feb 2017 #16
Nixon didn't give Russia handjobs either uponit7771 Feb 2017 #19
Completely agree. I'm no fan of Nixon, but he was a prince compared to this fool. Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #21
Well a couple of them had policies that led to the Civil War dem4decades Feb 2017 #3
Good Point Also CitizenZero Feb 2017 #9
Can't think of anyone this horrible or that brought in fascism either. The GOP seem the worst, too, manicraven Feb 2017 #4
The amazing thing, he got there in less than 3 wks Motley13 Feb 2017 #6
CheneyBush was worse than Nixon. nt tblue37 Feb 2017 #7
Another Good Point CitizenZero Feb 2017 #12
drumpf is not only the worst President but has achieved the title democratisphere Feb 2017 #8
Sui Generis nt Xipe Totec Feb 2017 #10
At this point, Glamrock Feb 2017 #11
"He has only been in office for a few weeks." 3catwoman3 Feb 2017 #15
Americans just really piss me off. Think about it. world wide wally Feb 2017 #17
Nixon wasn't the worst, merely the most corrupt. Bush II was worse. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2017 #18
I think you're going to have to go outside the US to find someone to compare Trump to jmowreader Feb 2017 #20

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
2. Richard Nixon wasn't all bad.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:39 AM
Feb 2017

He was corrupt but he wasn't stupid, and his demeanor and temperament were not outrageous.

He created the EPA; he established diplomatic relations with China.

CitizenZero

(538 posts)
5. It Is A Good Point
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:44 AM
Feb 2017

Nixon was not entirely bad. His personality was repellant, but he did achieve some positive things in regards to policy. I think our standard for villainy was perhaps lower then.

madaboutharry

(40,221 posts)
13. The other thing about Nixon is this -
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:53 AM
Feb 2017

As corrupt as he was, he never forgot where he came from. He grew up in a poor family. He knew what poverty was. He believed in the social safety net. He actually believed in national health care, an idea repellent to his fellow republicans. In today's Republican Party, Nixon would be too liberal.

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
14. Detente with the Soviets and Title IX were big positives for him as well.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:54 AM
Feb 2017

Nixon even expanded food stamps and enacted supplemental security income for those with disabilities and the elderly.

He was a poor president overall, but still several leagues above GWB and (especially) Trump. The latter is a plague on humanity.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
16. The thing that makes Trump worse than Nixon is the enabling congress
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:29 AM
Feb 2017

Nixon had to deal with a Democratic Senate... Maybe House too. This kept him in check to a certain extent. Trump has all accomplices.

Rhiannon12866

(206,072 posts)
21. Completely agree. I'm no fan of Nixon, but he was a prince compared to this fool.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 06:22 AM
Feb 2017

He opened up relations with China, rather than provoking them into threatening us - before he even took office. He actually cared about the environment and also developed a promising health care plan. Though it never had a chance to be implemented, it was a positive idea. Has Trump done even one positive thing yet? It just gets worse by the day - and it's only been days. And I don't remember him pissing off all of our allies, and he worried about things. A lot! And, of course, he loved his dog...

dem4decades

(11,304 posts)
3. Well a couple of them had policies that led to the Civil War
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:41 AM
Feb 2017

But give trump a little time and he might out do them. Certainly the worse president in the modern era.

CitizenZero

(538 posts)
9. Good Point Also
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:48 AM
Feb 2017

I am sure that there are probably a number of contenders for "Worst President" from the 19th Century, but my history knowledge of the Presidents of that era is not as strong as my knowledge of 20th and 21st Century Presidents.

In any case, I would say that Trump and Nixon are certainly in contention of worst Presidents in the Modern Era. Prior to the 20th Century, I would defer to people who have studied that era more closely than I have.

manicraven

(901 posts)
4. Can't think of anyone this horrible or that brought in fascism either. The GOP seem the worst, too,
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:41 AM
Feb 2017

because they won't stand up to violations of our Constitution and turn a blind eye to tRump's obvious, questionable ties to Putin. Oh, and it's only been a few days, so tRump is just getting started...

Nixon wasn't this incompetent.

CitizenZero

(538 posts)
12. Another Good Point
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:52 AM
Feb 2017

Cheney/Bush can certainly be argued to be amongst the worst. I think in Nixon's case, there was a clear rupture of trust between the American People and the President. A lot of the Cheney/Bush crimes were below the radar. A lot wasn't, of course, notably the Iraq War. Anyway, good that you mentioned Bush.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
8. drumpf is not only the worst President but has achieved the title
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:47 AM
Feb 2017

of the most hated President. Quite an accomplishment in such a short time.

Glamrock

(11,802 posts)
11. At this point,
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:51 AM
Feb 2017

the only hope he has of avoiding this title is to legalize marijuana. Yeah, I don't think that would do it either.

3catwoman3

(24,053 posts)
15. "He has only been in office for a few weeks."
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:00 AM
Feb 2017

He has only been in office for TWOweeks, even though it seems like forever already.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
17. Americans just really piss me off. Think about it.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:51 AM
Feb 2017

Nixon, Bush, Reagan, Trump.
Why are they even allowed to have a candidate for President when they give us this shit?
And then idiot Americans actually vote for them.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
18. Nixon wasn't the worst, merely the most corrupt. Bush II was worse.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:50 AM
Feb 2017

Nixon didn't wilfully and seemingly deliberately sabotage relations with the USA's closest allies and largest trading partners, as Trump seems to be doing, for a start.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
20. I think you're going to have to go outside the US to find someone to compare Trump to
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 03:05 AM
Feb 2017

I think he's right now somewhere between Jean-Marie Le Pen and Silvio Berlusconi with just a touch of Nigel Farage stirred in for that special flavor of fascism.

At the end of four years, we'll be looking at Sani Abacha, the former President for Life of Nigeria and one of the political world's greatest crooks. Yes children, the hero of a million 419 scams actually existed...and the world may never know the full extent of his corruption. Abacha is famous for disappearing people, which Trump might not do. (You know your country's in deep shit when the nicest thing you can say about your president is, "well, maybe he won't order any extrajudicial killings.&quot Abacha also liked to work at night and his children were major players in his administration. However, he died before Twitter was founded...

The other alternative is East German dictator Walter Ulbricht, who actually ordered the construction of the Berlin Wall. Ulbricht was so unpopular the Party ran him off after 11 years of mismanagement. (You'll love this: One of the biggest reasons Ulbricht was deposed was the entire world hated the Berlin Wall. So, who'd they replace him with? Erich Honecker...who designed the fucking thing and commanded the troops that put it up.)

Just for the hell of it we could compare him to famous organized crime figures like Al Capone.

I really don't want to lump him in with competent despots like Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, whoever's running North Korea this week, Mussolini or Hitler. Nor do I want to compare him to evil American presidents like Nixon or Reagan. Trump combines pure evil with mind-numbing stupidity, and that's kinda unique in this world - especially among the people we've chosen to lead us.

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