I suffered massive head trauma today...

[pnwest]

...'cause I talked to a trumpista and my godamn head exploded.

Have a friendly / business relationship with this woman, and she's bigly republican - had many a discussion with her during election season. Haven't seen her much since orange foolius was sworn in and he started unloading the klown kar kabinet.

Saw her today, conversation rolled around to me asking "how do YOU think he's doing?" She said she thinks he's doing a GREAT job. When pressed, she said "We need to get back to square one".

I asked her what IS square one? What does that mean to her...

She steeled herself, cause she knew gray matter was about to go flyin'...and said, "....well...this country was founded on Christianity..."

BOOM! Cranium a smoking ruin....

Further discussion revealed square one included no more 'free stuff'...getting all those good, high-paying jobs back...getting the economy going again...(the fact that unemployment is at like 4.7% had no effect on her)...keeping those dangerous people out...

It really, truly is about plain old racism. About bringing back an old version of America that makes sense to them - where being a white, christian American means being at the top of the heap, and America is a mighty world power to be feared. Very few brown people, and zero political correctness...just bring back a time where white christians being top dog simply went unchallenged.

And they really, truly believe trump is going to deliver that to them.

And I know this fact, this realization, has been discussed at length. But I really only ever understood as kind of being theory, an abstract. Until today, it wasn't a real, solid fact of life. I never saw it personified. I really just don't know what to make of it. There's no rationalizing with people whose heads are buried so deeply in the sand.

I really need to stop trying to change those minds, it'd be easier to stop the sun rising.

They're going to be so disappointed when he's not able to deliver. And of course, it will be all our fault. Never mind that he promised something undeliverable.

[onecaliberal]

1. I agree with you 100%. I've read post after post on here saying not everyone who voted

For the maggot is racist. I believe that is exactly what they are and what they want. They're the farthest thing from Christian you can possibly imagine.

[radical noodle]

2. That's a lot of it, right there

It really, truly is about plain old racism. About bringing back an old version of America that makes sense to them - where being a white, christian American means being at the top of the heap, and America is a mighty world power to be feared. Very few brown people, and zero political correctness...just bring back a time where white christians being top dog simply went unchallenged.

They hate not being the "special" ones.

[Trust Buster]

3. And that is precisely why they are a waste of time. The 46% that couldn't be troubled to vote

represent a more ripe target IMO.

[royable]

4. I suspect that Drumpf will simply (if he lasts that long)

declare that America Is Now Great Again, and All Has Been Delivered. Sort of like Mission Accomplished for the chowderheads of a decade earlier. And these fools will believe it.

[Phoenix61]

5. I met an attorney tonight and conversation turned

to politics. He explained to me that marriage was a covenant between a man and a woman. He went on to explain how no fault divorce had destroyed America by destroying the family, all those little children hurt. What the hell do you say to that?

[pnwest]

7. So much wrong there, where do you start...

[rug]

14. That he should have paid attention during his Property class.

In law, civil marriage is all about property rights and obligations. Even in custody, a driving force is inheritance rights.

The emotional and religious aspects are best left to poets and priests, not lawyers.

[n2doc]

15. Say "Shame then that our president is a serial divorcer"

But I'll bet his real beef is with women getting a chunk of the mans money in a divorce....

[Cha]

6. FAKE "Christians"

[CajunBlazer]

8. K&R

[Jim Beard]

9. Bait her next week

and talk about all those high paid immigrants in Seattle making over $200,000 a year wanting visas. That will make her feel lower than a toad frogs belly. And madder.

[TexasBushwhacker]

10. I really wish they would study a bit of world history

The founding fathers knew that religious wars killed millions of people in Europe and millions more shunned, driven from their homes and imprisoned or executed as heretics.

Not to mention, if we're supposed to be founded on Christianity, why are Christ and Christianity NEVER mentioned in the Constitution?

[WinkyDink]

11. These kinds have never heard of Deism.

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. So, what did she say when you told her that this nation was not founded on Christianity? You did

tell her that, right?

[BSdetect]

13. These people are oblivious to their "Constitutuon" being obliterated around them.

[Vinca]

16. Free stuff. Like WTF are we doing feeding poor people?

She doesn't sound very Jesus-y to me.

[jmg257]

17. James Madison to Thomas Jefferson, 1787

On ways to possibly curb the oppression of the minority by those who hold the public authority..

1. a prudent regard to private or partial good, as essentially involved in the general and permanent good of the whole. This ought no doubt to be sufficient of itself. Experience however shews that it has little effect on individuals, and perhaps still less on a collection of individuals, and least of all on a majority with the public authority in their hands.

2. respect for character. This motive is not found sufficient to restrain individuals from injustice, and loses its efficacy in proportion to the number which is to divide the praise or the blame.

3. Religion. The inefficacy of this restraint on individuals is well known. The conduct of every popular Assembly, acting on oath, the strongest of religious ties, shews that individuals join without remorse in acts agst. which their consciences would revolt, if proposed to them separately in their closets. When Indeed Religion is kindled into enthusiasm, its force like that of other passions is increased by the sympathy of a multitude. But enthusiasm is only a temporary state of Religion, and whilst it lasts will hardly be seen with pleasure at the helm. Even in its coolest state, it has been much oftener a motive to oppression than a restraint from it.

And those in charge now aren't even the majority! Screw them, and their need to oppress.

WE're the Power!
RESIST!!

[ElkeH]

18. "...this country was founded on Christianity..."

An acquaintance of mine started babbling about school prayer a few months ago and how she could not believe students are not allowed to pray in school. I explained to her that only state-sponsored prayer was forbidden, that is teachers in public schools are not supposed to lead prayers. It used to be that schools would start the day with a prayer and/or a few verses from the Bible.

"Well, that's how it should be it again!"

Uhm, OK.. So I tried to explain to her that the prayers would likely be Christian even if not all the students were Christians. Perhaps more importantly, regardless of the religion of the prayer, a state-sponsored prayer would be seen as the government endorsing one religion over the others.

"Who cares? This is a Christian country. If the others don't like it they can leave!"

BOOM! Cranium a smoking ruin..

What was surprising is that she is usually not a religious person at all. She never talks about Christianity or God otherwise, and she never goes to church as far as I know. But I have seen a similar trend with other people in recent times, and I find it worrying, because apparently there are plenty of people who are not traditional religious hardliners but who would be perfectly fine with the Trump administration pushing more Christianity onto everyone.