Does anyone find this madness a little exciting? (As in encouraging)

[retrowire]

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I'm full of anxiety, anger and fear yes.

But there are times where that energy converts to something more positive. This is big. These are very crazy times.

The potential for change has never been bigger when you stop and think about it.

I think we all know that we won't be able to go back to the way it was.

But, the Democratic party seems poised to transform, the Republican party is in a position to die and be reborn as well. Yes, these are volatile circumstances but, we're still here and can you imagine the potential of our roles in this?

What are we capable of now? That is why this exciting. What can we do now that hasn't been done before? Is this history repeating itself or is it something else?

Embrace this madness and take it by the horns fellow Democrats.

In solidarity.

[bravenak]

1. No

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. Me neither.

I find it exhausting.

[bravenak]

11. That's exactly how I feel. The JPR folks live for this shit.

I remember some of them practically begging for it.

[greatauntoftriplets]

13. Absolutely.

Maybe they should go buy some overpriced Ivanka crap while it's still available.

[bravenak]

23. They can start at TJ Maxx. Fuck Ivanka too, she would be the type 'excited' by this

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. They'd whine about how poor they all are.

What a clusterfuck.

[crazycatlady]

68. Per a friend who works at TJ Maxx

All of Ivanka's items are on clearance. They're not getting anything new, just clearing out what they have.

Next stop Goodwill.

[bravenak]

73. I bet it sits at the goodwill for a year before they just bag it up and set it in the alley for free

[Maru Kitteh]

132. I think from there it goes to Ropa por Libra

Clothing by the pound.

[bravenak]

133. They should ship it back to her at the whitehouse

[Maru Kitteh]

137. I LIKE it!

[JHan]

17. it reeks of privilege.

It's often ( not always but OFTEN) some idiot with a cushy job or means that talks shit like that.

[bravenak]

21. Somebody who will never be harmed half as much as my kids

That shit kills me

[seaglass]

82. They think the people in the streets are Bernie's revolution. LOL n/t

[bravenak]

85. LOL! Sad.nt

[Squinch]

214. I really wish they would stay at JPR.

[bravenak]

250. Me too, for sure. I stay away from there on purpose

[cwydro]

249. Yep.

You said it.

[bdamomma]

136. I heard or read somewhere that

people that have dealt with these regimes find it very exhausting,that is what they are hoping for
for us to get tired mentally and physically. We can't do this

[Alice11111]

123. No. Exhausting

I thought after the election was over and I coped with my depression, I would be able to focus and get on with it. It is just like pre election. Every day the news is a new turn of dismantling humanity by the USA.

[bravenak]

124. It's unreal

[jmg257]

2. Susan, is that you?

[retrowire]

28. I think I finally figured that you're talking about sarandon. Nt

[jmg257]

29. Ha - sorry - just busting chops... nt

[retrowire]

35. No worries! Nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. I understand, I do. One huge caution, no matter what you do, or what we do

what we MUST promise is to NEVER not vote and to ALWAYS vote for WHOEVER the D is on the ticket.

Otherwise it wont be exciting watching people die which is surely their agenda.

I will add it is easier for straight, white males to feel some excitement, we wont be the first targets.

[heaven05]

50. +1

for as long as it lasts.....

[butdiduvote]

91. It's always the straight white males (and occasionally white women)...

...who think this is like just so fun! You know, like showing up to a gay pride parade and getting to wear a fun rainbow shirt and wave a rainbow flag. Hooray, they're getting to be a part of shaping history!

Meanwhile, those of us whom are being directly affected just want it all to stop. Fuck that privileged bullshit. Easy to be strong and energized when the punches aren't being directed your way.

[retrowire]

96. Good thing I never stated I found any of this fun. Nt

[retrowire]

95. Well it's a good thing I never said the dismal news is what excites me. Nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

99. I am defending you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8615174

The mistake you made is not to put in a disclaimer like I did in post #4

Per the link, I truly believe this is actually a time of potential growth, but the people who have to suffer for that growth have to come first. We have to do what we can to stop that, no matter what.

No

Matter

What

[retrowire]

102. I know.

I was replying specifically to the "exciting watching people die" line.

[Eliot Rosewater]

105. Your experience in this thread, mine also, is a lesson for us white str8t men, if we

are that.

I dont know if that is what you are, but as well meaning as we can be and are, we see things thru a prism that others simply dont have the privilege of possessing.

It shapes everything we think and do, no matter how well meaning we are.

I am glad we are on the same side, we need each other.

[retrowire]

112. Oh I know this completely. Nt

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Nope

[leftstreet]

6. It's like a National Night Before a Colonoscopy n/t

[fleur-de-lisa]

7. Or a root canal. eom

[Afromania]

8. not at all

Not when a potential result is interment camp fun time for a nice chunk of the population and/or a shooting war for the rest.

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. Not me - depressed at some level since election day. However - if all sorts of positive activism

does emerge that bring about the necessary changes, then it could be pain worth enduring.

Jury is out, of course, on whether that can or will happen.

In the meantime - I am heading out to listen to the birds sing and dig in the dirt!

[JHan]

10. No. But I feast on anger and fury, they sustain me.

[seaglass]

12. Fuck no. There is no lotus. n/t

[BigDemVoter]

14. What I desperately, desperately, desperately want is. . .

to see those motherfuckers DESTROYED.

I want that entire cluster FUCK of a party to be in such bad shape after this goddamned shit show that they NEVER recover.

[Fast Walker 52]

22. me too... we all know those fuckers deserve it so badly

I guess fascism can be defeated and the GOP is dead in places like California. But it's rare still.

[KingCharlemagne]

41. 30% of Californians voted for this so-called President. - nt

[BigDemVoter]

122. Ugh. I live in California, and that makes me ill to read. . .

However, I won't forget that the rest of the population is vehemently against him.

I wonder if it's the entire Central Valley that makes up the 30%?

[Alice11111]

120. !!!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

15. I'd trade all the craziness and excitement in an instant for an alternate reality...

.....where DU is currently bickering amongst itself today as to whether or not President Hillary Clinton's cabinet selections are too safe and centrist.

Trust me, that alternate reality exists out there somewhere.

[JHan]

20. I sometimes have fantasies about that..

what a simpler safer world.

[Fast Walker 52]

16. it's only exciting in the sense that the GOP could completely collapse over Trump and we

could re-install sanity in our politics.

But I think that's only slight possibility right now.

[highplainsdem]

18. Exciting, like trying to keep a falling power line out of water you and others are standing in,

when you're not sure how good the insulation is betwen you and the power line, or how long you can hold it above the water.

I'd rather be excited about finding real solutions to serious problems other than the current threat to our country and the world from a narcissistic madman. But stopping Trump is an emergency.

[Alice11111]

233. Well said

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. In a way, like when you watch an explosion

or see a train wreck. It's starting to wear me out, though, because it seems like every day there's a new outrage. But it's definitely not boring; and I get your point about the opportunities that might arise from the mess - Phoenix rising from the ashes or something like that. It's keeping lawyers, political cartoonists and comedians busy, and great art and great ideas often arise from chaos. I just hope it doesn't spin completely out of control. Some of this shit is funny but some of it really does scare me.

[manicraven]

24. Not in the least. I've had enough of the many months of turmoil and feel disgusted by Trumpists.

The GOP is, unfortunately, transforming itself into a fascist regime that is now able to obliterate many things I care wildly about, such as moving towards renewable, clean energy; equality for all citizens regardless of sexual orientation, race, gender, etc.; the separation of church and state; expansion of the social safety net; free college education; improving voting access and accountability; a humane treatment of undocumented immigrants; getting dark money and big money out of politics; and so much more.

Watching tRump rip apart our nation with his executive orders, cronyism, and hate hurts exquisitely. Observing that the GOP is on the same page with him and that the Dems have little to no power to even stave off much is brutal. I'm not excited in the least.

[Alice11111]

236. My feelings too. On the verge of tears daily

[NCTraveler]

25. I like what you have shared here.

"I think we all know that we won't be able to go back to the way it was. "

What excites me most is I think we can be better than ever before. I don't want to regress, not even to before the Trump admin. I think progressives are in a great position. This is a hard topic to breach as we know ourselves and our friends will be hurt along the way.

Thanks for sharing.

[retrowire]

33. Exactly! Nt

[NCTraveler]

46. If I remember right, you are pretty young and relatively new in politics.

That is more of a reason for me to look forward to the future. I consider your message to be optimistic under very difficult times. I see young people peacefully protesting against Trump from coast to coast. Getting out there and being relentless.

Trump wasn't elected by some great sea of change. He was elected by an angry minority. We are the sea of change. We are going to fight back. Trump isn't who I am and you won't let him define you. We are going to oppose him together and I am optimistic about our future. Then, at the end of the day, we are going to support progressives we like. Sometimes they might not be the same people. They will always be better than anything the Republicans have. I see this as an awakening.

Disclaimer - "Young and relatively new in politics" does not mean uneducated or of any less value. I find it to be optimistic because of the energy you bring. There is a way that can be taken that would be offensive. Just wanted to clarify that is was meant in that way.

[retrowire]

54. I took no offense

And your memory serves you well. I am 28 and excited about the role in history that we are currently playing. This is my perspective.

We are so capable. That's why I'm excited.

[Alice11111]

239. In the March, I loved seeing the young faces. Good attitude.

[retrowire]

243. Thank you. I'm trying to not be beaten down right now so I appreciate this encouragement. Nt

[octoberlib]

27. While I'm glad to see increased civic participation and grassroots organizing, I think

that Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Native Americans and women are in danger. I don't think there's anything exciting about the fear I'm seeing on people's faces nowadays. So, no.

[heaven05]

30. tragic comedy

with reality show appeal....lots of people are watching to see how things play, nationally, internationally....

[get the red out]

34. +1

Yes, sigh.

[Eliot Rosewater]

97. There is one thing about the OP, and what I think maybe he meant

and that this is a time in history where if progressive ideals are going to take hold and be the future, now is when it will happen.

Any American who does not vote for a democrat in 2018 is saying they want more of this, if they stay home they want more of this, if they vote 3rd party they want more of this.

Either there is a record turnout and turning away from these racists in 2018 or this country is done for good. That which makes us great is dying at their hands, we must stop them.

[heaven05]

107. I feel you

..............I have an ex-friend now associate who voted for a 3rd party...still doesn't understand how everyone has cooled to his presence in their life.....

[Eliot Rosewater]

108. I really truly believe they need to be EDUCATED as to what a 2 party system is.

We need to fund a nationwide class on this, maybe on FB.

I would do it or help someone do it.

I believe if they were shown why they can never vote 3rd party, why it NEVER makes sense in a

TWO party system, shit will change.

Wish I knew someone who could work with me on this.

[heaven05]

117. well, I am truly tech-challenged

but I am sure there is someone out there who can help you set up site...I'll contribute when fund is established and if 'investor' needed also, PM me...K&R

[Eliot Rosewater]

119. Thanks, will do

[50 Shades Of Blue]

31. I find it stomach-churning.

[bravenak]

37. Me too

[anarch]

32. sure...just like throwing a hand grenade into a crowded cafeteria..."just to see what happens" n/t

[Trust Buster]

36. So sad that you find the possibility of 20 million people losing health insurance "exciting".

I would tell you what I really think of your OP if not for the fact that it would violate the terms of TOS.

[retrowire]

42. I gladly await for you to point out where I said

I found that particular thing exciting.

Go on! I'll wait!

[Trust Buster]

45. Nope, if you don't get it already, there is nothing that I can say that will make a difference.

RESIST. !!!!!!!!!

[retrowire]

49. That's what I'm talking about!

That motivation is exciting!

Glad you understand it!

[Trust Buster]

53. What you see as excited motivation, I see as a day I had never hoped to see in this country.

[retrowire]

56. But it happened.

So you can be upset. But you can also convert that energy into productive optimism and you did! If you're as serious as the capitalized word RESIST that you typed then you have all the right energy.

And that's worth being excited for.

[Trust Buster]

75. The time for excitement was prior to the election. For 18 months a madman made it crystal clear

that he was a danger yet, 46% of registered voters could not summon the excitement to stop him. You ask us, having just jumped off the Titanic, to find the lifeboats in the middle of a cold see to be exciting. Every day I raise the American flag on my telescopic flag pole. I have not been able to bring myself to do so since November 8.

I am heartbroken that my country has descended to such a dark place. I will wear the two RESIST. tee shirts that I ordered to express to my fellow country men and women my disgust. I do not wish to impugn your intentions but, there is no winning over the next four years. The only thing to be determined is the degree of loss this country will sustain.

[LanternWaste]

79. Do you use an Alt+Dictionary?

You do realize the word is neutral in regards to a positive or a negative reaction, yes? That it merely means "to arouse or stir up the emotions or feelings of...", "to provoke or stir to action", regardless of whether the provoked emotion is joy or rage or sadness or despair?

Does not the current environment stir emotions and feelings? Does not the current administration provoke one to action?

(Insert justification below...)

[Trust Buster]

92. I am entitled to my opinion. I find nothing exciting about this ongoing national nightmare.

[Solly Mack]

38. I get what you're saying, I do. Still, the potential for disaster is too great to

casually step back and just observe the madness.

If it wasn't for the fact that a mad man was in the oval office, this would be an entertaining, very public breakdown to watch.

But Trump is in the oval office, so it's more scary than anything.

Trump is in full-on self-destructive mode, and he's taking us with him.

[retrowire]

43. I'm not excited for casually observing

Im excited about the motivation and potential.

[Solly Mack]

58. There is the potential for change, I agree. By change I mean positive change as you do.

Still, people are too wary at this point. I don't find struggle, even for good, exciting - I find it necessary, and sometimes a wee bit annoying when you're constantly fighting the same fight over and over again.

I think continued protests and continued legal assaults on Congress demanding change is needed. I used the qualifier legal simply because some lurkers will read assault and claim I said physically assault members of Congress.

I think the Press needs to go after Trump and go after him relentlessly - maybe finding their way back to the 1st amendment again instead of merely using it when it's convenient.

I really do see what you're saying, and I should not have suggested you meant in a casual way. I was thinking of those who can afford to sit back and observe because their wealth or position make them almost untouchables.

I am sorry for the use of the word in relation to what you were saying. I was wrong.

[retrowire]

60. Don't apologize for your interpretation of my words.

I never gave a dictionary for my mind lol. You benefit us both by engaging in conversation about it rather than assuming and moving on. Communication is key and you did that.

Thats the mark of a good person.

[heaven05]

39. things

seem to be shaping up as a fight to the finish this time, true left...rabid right, disruptive fascist leaning display, a fight I am not looking forward to, some apprehensions about civic disruption.....

[CrispyQ]

40. No. This is Shock Doctrine in our own country.

"It Can't Happen Here" I have two close friends who truly believe that. But it is. Before our very eyes, it is happening here. Malicious, privileged, mostly white men, have taken control of our government at all levels. They have no sense of fairness or integrity. They will change the rules to suit their agenda, everyone else be damned. The damage they are about to inflict is going to be stunning in scope & we may not recover from it.

[retrowire]

44. Germany recovered. Nt

[JHan]

47. Are you serious? Or having a laugh? This ain't games, it never has been or never should seen as such

WTactualF

[retrowire]

51. Well....

Germany had Nazism, then they shed that and many years later they are an economic powerhouse today that isn't doing too badly for themselves.

Are you serious?

Germany bounced back from a tyrannical chapter in their history, how is that a joke?

[JHan]

55. It was the first thing that came to my mind.. "Wtf"...

Yes, after millions of Jews and assorted enemies of Nazism died, and then the occupation of Berlin which was oppressive and horrific for germans, and the cold war, yes after a while Germany "recovered". The lesson is never to take that path.

It wasn't exciting, or incredible, it was all a tragedy, every single minute of it.

[retrowire]

59. Yep.

And the lesson is to avoid it. You're correct. I'm excited to play that role in doing so.

And if it gets worse, my energy still won't falter and I will even then be excited to fight the evils that be.

You mistake my excitement for jubilation and happiness. It is not those things. It is for resolve and opportunity.

[JHan]

62. Ok. I hear you.+++++

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

64. I wouldn't say they "bounced" back.

There was horrific destruction in Germany and millions of people were killed, either directly by Hitler or as a consequence of the war. It took a long time for Germany to recover - they were in tough shape for about 10 years afterwards. Through the Marshall Plan, about $120 billion in today's dollars were needed to help Germany rebuild. Yes, they finally recovered, but their losses were terrible. It's just a bit glib to say they "bounced back." It wasn't a bounce; it was a slow, painful crawl, and we sure as hell don't want to go through something like that.

[retrowire]

66. I agree the term bounced back is erroneous

My understanding is exactly as you explained it, I just worded it poorly.

[WhiteTara]

130. Tell that to the MILLIONS who were murdered

and tortured. This is definitely NOT exciting. It is gut churning and horrifying and I get NO pleasure from this at all.

[retrowire]

140. I never said the excitation was pleasurable.

See post 104.

I'm excited for what we are are capable of through these hard times. Energized and optimistic.

I never said anything like "WHEEEE THIS IS HILARIOUS WERE ALL GONNA DIE!"

[WhiteTara]

143. Here's a definition of exciting

If something is exciting, it makes you feel very happy or enthusiastic.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/exciting

Perhaps you might change your adjective to a more fitting one.

[retrowire]

144. A definition. And the word has many.

Don't try and control language. Simply understand when someone explains themselves.

We seek to understand, not to bend others to our understanding.

If you really wish to make me out to be a sadist then you're doing me a disservice by not hearing me out. You're missing the message that I wrote in the op. This adversity can be empowering if we refuse to let it defeat us.

If gunfire towards me and my people is what excites me to take charge then that is what it is. I am not defeated. I am excited by the challenge and opportunity this can present if only we take control of it.

[WhiteTara]

210. Retrowire

I don't think you are a sadist...at least that is my hope for you. If you are saying that this nightmare is what energizes you, then so be it. Who are your people? I think that is what is a problem for all of us...your people, my people even though we are just people all on the planet together.

If you mean that you are "awoke" as they say, good. I'm glad that you are thinking how we can all work together to gain a modicum of civility and humanity.

I am not excited still. I have been working and "fighting" for over 50 years to reach a place where we are all just people together on this planet trying to live together as humans. Good luck to us all.

[Alice11111]

242. Well said.

[Skittles]

180. do you, like, FORGET THE CASUALTIES?

W.T.F.

[yardwork]

219. I think that this is the most disgusting post I've seen in years.

It's abhorrent.

[retrowire]

227. You find it abhorrent that Germany recovered from a tyrannical chapter in their history?

What a disgusting sentiment.

I'm certain they're relieved to have made it as well.

To all the people who think that me praising the recovery of Germany the nation is the same as Germany the people, stop. You're totally misreading the post.

[bravenak]

74. My fucking gawd

[raccoon]

84. Yeah, after wiping out almost a whole generation. nt

[Squinch]

118. This is a horrifying, ignorant and astonishingly insensitive post. You should self delete.

Germany never has and never will recover. They will never escape the genocidal legacy of their "exciting time."

Really, this is beyond the pale, even from you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

156. the jews who died didn't. nt

[retrowire]

189. This is obvious. Has nothing to do with the fact that Germany didn't stay that way.

My point is, Germany overcame.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

190. no, your statements don't at all make it obvious that you care about the lives that will be damaged

so no, that was not obvious to me.

[retrowire]

192. Forgive me for assuming that people understood that I'm not apathetic. Nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

203. you said germany recovered and didn't mention the millions who died

don't blame the reader for not getting your empathy

[retrowire]

204. I just said forgive me for assuming that lol nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

205. i don't. lol. nt

[retrowire]

206. Forgiveness is a trait not graciously carried by everyone.

Nor does it have to be. You're full within your right to continue that opinion and damn it do I respect your honesty.

[Squinch]

211. Forgiveness is not a trait.

[Maru Kitteh]

171. "Germany Recovered?" Now THAT is offensive.

That's such an ugly, offhand dismissal of the millions who were terrorized, suffered, tortured and died; some of whom were my relation and ancestors, so I take this kind of dismissive, cruel and inaccurate statement personally.

Germany has not recovered. They live with the taint of being held as the ultimate example of genocidal madness. Germans do not enjoy the same free speech protections you do as a direct result of Nazism and to attempt the prevention of its return. It is a burden still in law and on the psyche of the nation. Reparations and reckoning will continue yet for generations. None of these are small matters worthy of such dismissal.

This post of yours is ugly and insensitive at best, and should be deleted, in my opinion.

[retrowire]

173. .... Or we could be proud of what Germany is

And not forever smear them with their past as you just did.

It's about perspective. What's offensive about saying they are a great country that overcame the darkest of times? I'm pretty certain they too, are proud of this.

[Squinch]

185. One more time, your ignorant approach to this is jaw-dropping.

[Maru Kitteh]

197. Simply sputtering "Germany recovered" projects a complete "whatever" laissez-faire

attitude toward the suffering and demise of the victims; of millions. THEY DIDN'T RECOVER.

Germany has not recovered because atrocities so great as those committed are not redressed in such a short period of time as you would suggest. The United States has not recovered yet from the atrocities of slavery and the genocide of First Nations.

This is what so many of us tried to explain ahead of the election. The dismantlement, dismemberment, and destruction of the mechanisms of government; the potential for harm to the vulnerable and the prospect for the undoing of this fragile experiment are all very real. The protections and barriers built in to provide us safety are so easily undone by the wrong actor in the right situation. In this country we will spend generations undoing damage already done now. Genocide can happen here, I assure you. Already in the US, Ordinary Americans Carried Out Inhumane Acts for Trump.

So the "oh well" statement inherent in "Germany recovered. nt" is not only offensive to the victims of the Holocaust and WWII, it infers a dangerously shortsighted view of the magnitude of that which is before us.

You would do well to internalize the advice others have given you on this thread regarding your privilege as a white straight male.

To be clear, this is my final comment, as I am done giving any further currency to this dismal and offensive thread.

[retrowire]

199. You continue to interpret my words as you see fit.

I clarified my meaning. Take that or leave it. I do not take lightly the horrors of what that nation endured and at the same time I can show pride at what they are today.

[obamanut2012]

222. "Germany recovered" -- wtf is wrong with you???

The millions upon millions who died, civilians, in warfare, in the camps, never recovered.

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU

[retrowire]

225. I'm talking about the nation though. Nt

[cwydro]

251. Wow. nt

[retrowire]

254. The nation of Germany is still under fascist oppression by the Nazi party?

What's so shocking? I was under the impression they overcame a tyrannical period in their history.

[bdamomma]

139. I would love to see the events that we are trying

to live in turn on them so badly they won't know what hit them. Yes if you want to call it revenge so be it. They have decimated the Middle Class for so many years. Damn them

Honestly what happened during the crash in the 1930's rich men were jumping out windows.......you never know we are destined to repeat history.

[CrispyQ]

146. I know the feeling.

I've wondered how they can look themselves in the mirror, they are such self-righteous hypocrites. Then I realized, they think they are special. They deserve to be in charge. The rules don't apply to them. When they do something, it's never wrong. It's an attitude from a place of unbelievable privilege, arrogance & pride. Two old proverbs come to mind. Pride goeth before a fall, & the bigger you are, the harder you fall.

[KingCharlemagne]

48. I dont think your post deserves all the harsh responses. And yes, Ive

noticed not excitement, but more adrenaline maybe (fight or flight stuff). I also noticed it during the Bush years (post Nov., 2001). This time it seems a little more intense, as the stakes seem even higher now.

[kentuck]

52. No.

But I'm sure a lot of Republicans are eating it up.

[Skittles]

57. no

"President" Trump and his disgusting cabinet are shaming America daily

they make me SICK

[elehhhhna]

61. Yes only because the wheels are coming off the TA so quickly.

Not sure I have faith in most dems in Congress yet.

Both parties imploded on their own weaknesses last year. If the dems don't emerge as blockers with a progressive agenda asap we're in trouble. Seeing some encouraging signs tho'!

[Blue_true]

63. I agree. The next four years offer historic and permanent

Opportunity to the Democratic Party. The Republican Party, even as it holds many government seats, is planting the seeds for it's permanent destruction. People that set out elections will come to recognize over the next four years that is bad strategy, that realization is poison for republicans.

[SammyWinstonJack]

65. Not at all

[crazycatlady]

67. In a way

I'm excited to see friends and family who were never 'political' wake up.
I'm excited to see people taking to the streets (many for the first time)
I'm excited to see progressive groups see record fundraising
I'm excited to be making pussyhats and people wearing them to show solidarity.

[ismnotwasm]

69. Hell no

[BlueJac]

70. Chilling is a better word for it......

Chilling as hell. Our country is being torn apart by a Cheetos looking reality TV show host! The lying is out of control!

[HassleCat]

71. Don't be too offended by the negative responses.

Our party has allowed it's fighting skills to go dormant. Many Democrats forget the tumultuous times of Nixon and how he was forced out. Many of us prefer to remember Reagan and going along to get along. Maybe we'll get motivated and inspired, as evidenced by the marches and demonstrations.

[MrPurple]

103. Nixon was forced out because John Dean refused to lie...

there were tapes that verified it and the Democrats controlled Congress. Protesting is good, but it wasn't the protesters that forced him out. We need to fight now, but Trump is a lot worse than Nixon and the factors that forced Nixon out aren't really in place now.

[LeftInTX]

217. I agree with Mr. Purple

Protestors did not force Nixon out.

He won re-election by a landslide in 1972. This was after the National Guard killed the students at Kent State.

Congress was Dem majority. But congress was not Dem majority because of protests. Comgress was Dem for years prior to Nixon. The Dem majority was the main catalyst for investigations.

[Lil Missy]

72. HELL NO! I'm afraid I'll have a stroke by the end of this year.

I don't know whether to be mad at him, or the MORONS WHO PUT HIM THERE!!!

[MrPurple]

76. No, it's completely disastrous.

Right now, we could be discussing Hillary having named Al Gore to head the EPA and appointing the justice that's about to overturn Citizen's United.

Trump's been in office for two weeks. The damage that he and his cabinet of billionaires are about to do to our system is incalculable. They're claiming that the press is covering up terrorist attacks - there's likely Orwellian military actions in the works.

This has been a tough time for me personally and this daily news doesn't help my mood. It's best to be energized and fight, but looking at this as a silver lining good thing is naive. We've assumed that Trump couldn't succeed from the day he announced and he's managed to every step of the way. I'm not confident that his wrecking ball will be stopped before doing enormous irreparable damage, or that the majority of the country will just become happily progressive afterward.

[TNLib]

77. I'll have to say no

I'm very afraid of what's coming down the pipe. I have my elderly inlaws that are dependent on Medicare and SS also my mother, father and stepmother as well. They have all shown signs of senility and to make matters worse they voted for Trump or support him. It's both frustrating and scary. It's like when you read about seniors being robbed out of their savings by a con artist.

[bettyellen]

78. No at all- too many people are being hurt. It's a nightmare.

[dchill]

207. "too many people are being hurt."

I'm afraid we're only seeing the tip of that iceberg. How many will it take before Trump voters see the truth of the saying: "We're all in this together."

[Hekate]

80. Uh, no. Exciting would not be my word of choice.

[wordpix]

81. I find it unnerving, disgusting and it's taking up my time and energy

that I should be putting elsewhere, like making $ to pay the bills

[Alice11111]

246. The good thing about this thread is I see I'm not alone in my

My fear, anxiety, inability to focus on the daily stuff that I need to, in my worry about my parents or 1 and 3 year old granddaughters (WWII I, education).... I wish we weren't having this discussion and we were quibbling about hillary's appointments, but at least there is someone to "talk" to who gets how serious it is. It is much worse than Nixon or perhaps back as far as the civil war. There cannot be a WWIII without nuclear weapons. Bannon and others with the DT's ear want war. DT is too stupid and arrogant to appreciate the consequences. They are already initiating attacks without including DOD,State Dept, intelligence, plus he skips intelligence briefings (tweeted about Ivanka during one yesterday). It's Russian Roulette, and he is firing the bullets fast.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

83. M$M, this is why they worked to elect him to generate the content to fill 24 hrs of daily programing

He's a new train wreck every day and people can't keep themselves from looking at the carnage.

Obama administration would go weeks efficiently and quietly running the executive branch without doing any damage to the future of our country, no news was good news to the public but not to the M$M.

[raccoon]

86. No. I find it anxiety-producing and depressing.

I just told a relative who's a counselor that DSM needs to be updated to include "trump-induced depression."

[PufPuf23]

87. I am full of anxiety and anger but have never been so completely

fatigued by politics and hopeless.

The Democratic party needs major change.

We have lost everything from local elections to statehouses to all three branches of federal government.

We are the egalitarian party.

[butdiduvote]

88. No

While sure imperfect, I loved the Democratic Party as is. It didn't need an overhaul, just a few tweaks.

Nothing about this excites me. It exhausts me and has frankly threatened to destroy any semblance of mental health I have left. I can't get excited about fighting for change when I'm on the verge of crying all of the time, which is basically where I am now. At the women's march, I just felt like dropping to the floor and sobbing. I didn't feel energized at all. I still knew we were losing and were going to be dismissed by those now in power.

It frankly sickens me to see people getting a perverse pleasure out of all of this. I just want to feel okay again. I haven't felt true joy or hope in months. I don't know if I'm even capable of either anymore. I feel so sick.

[retrowire]

94. Never said I was getting any kind of pleasure out of this.

Im offended.

You mistake my excitement as jubilation and glee when it is actually excitement for resolve and opportunity.

Read my op again, I am upset by all of this, but I'm excited by the potential ahead. Not the shit in the past or present.

[butdiduvote]

98. Well, I'm offended at the idea that there is anything exciting about this situation.

This was all completely unnecessary. People are hurting. If it weren't for the "Overhaul the DNC!!!" attitude, we wouldn't be here. We would have been more effective at achieving change without all of these roadblocks now in place. That was where the true potential and excitement was.

[retrowire]

104. If you're not excited...

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/excited

excited

[ik-sahy-tid]
adjective

1.
stirred emotionally; agitated:

2.
stimulated to activity; brisk:


Then what will it take to stir you to action in these times?

[butdiduvote]

110. lol.

Idk, maybe a return of my sense of anything but despair and wanting to die.

[retrowire]

114. We can get there. We can. Nt

[SalviaBlue]

89. I think you have a healthy attitude.

I am full of anxiety, anger and fear too.

But I choose to fight. And I am awed at the push back that we are seeing. This is huge. The world is watching and most are on the same page as we are: Donald and the Cons are a disaster and must be stopped.

Some here on DU want to keep the blame game going. They are living in the past. This is pointless and a detriment to progress. "What are we capable of now?" That is where our attention should be.

In solidarity.

[retrowire]

93. :) nt

[mnhtnbb]

90. I love your optimism. I wish I could share it.

It just scares the crap out of me. I am stuck in the hopelessness feeling and actively trying to find
a way out of it. Not there yet.

[Stellar]

100. Hell to the NO! These are scary times.

[elleng]

101. Momentarily.

[mainer]

106. A Resistance fighter told me that he felt most alive during the war

I think that's what you might mean. Because yes, many people feel most passionate and alive when they're faced with horrifying adversity.

[retrowire]

154. I think that is where I am mentally. Nt

[herding cats]

109. The perpetual fearful apprehension is exhausting for me, personally.

But, I can appreciate your passion, and I hope it's contagious. We're going to need a lot more people awake and fighting for the resistance before this is over.

[Iggo]

111. Exciting is a weird word. I'd probably have to say Yes.

In that: Anxiety + Anger + Fear = Exciting

Kinda like being in the pit at a Slayer show, minus the unbridled joy.

[whathehell]

113. If I was younger, maybe..

but at 67 years old, I've already lived through all the political 'excitement' (Cold War, Civil Rights, Vietnam, Reaganomics, 9/11, George Bush) one could want.
:
At this point, I'd just hoped to live out my final years in a stable, half-decent country. Looks like I may not get my wish.

[2naSalit]

115. Yes, in a very sickening sort of way....nt

[david.byrne59]

116. Not exciting....entertaining thuogh :)

[Maru Kitteh]

121. My daughters, one with a rare, dangerous chronic condition and the other who just gave birth

They are poised at the edge of a cliff and ready to lose their health insurance. It's a situation that endangers the life of my youngest and endangers them both. Obamacare saved my youngest daughter's life.

I have fury.

I have anxiety.

I have outrage.

I have white, searing hatred that burns like a stone in my core.

I cannot look at the misery, pain, anguish around us and the plausible loss of one of my children as "exciting."

I mean no offense to you at all when I say this, truly. I'm just explaining my own feelings and thoughts.

[retrowire]

126. No offense taken whatsoever

Do see post 104 and understand my excitement is not one of joy but of the energy and resolve to fight for your daughters and all of us.

[Ilsa]

125. You must have a Myers Briggs personality type that is different

from a lot of DUers. Some people feel energized by these challenges, even conflict. I'm glad that you feel politically energized. We need more like you!

[retrowire]

127. And now I have something to look up. Lol nt

[Ilsa]

128. I don't know if MB is used any more,

but it helped me understand my preferences better.

[retrowire]

129. Looks like a test that concludes 16 different types of personalities

Interesting!

[Ilsa]

131. Along 4 axis IIRC. nt

[Kablooie]

134. It's exciting like sitting in the back of a car being driven 90 MPH by an insane drunk.

Sure, afterwards he will lose his license and never be able to drive again but there are better odds that he will crash the car and kill everyone before that happens.

[raccoon]

215. Great analogy. nt

[ohheckyeah]

135. Oh hell no.

I'm too old for this shit.

[Snackshack]

138. I get your point.

Change is going to happen. As you say there is no going back to the way it was. Either the apathetic left / progressives / staunch left wing of the democrats is going to coalesce into a unified group and push back firmly because they now realize what they thought could never happen here is happening or the right is going to continue to lock down the levers of power and we will spiral into a fear like "V for Vendetta" or just a stupid like "Idiocracy" type world until climate change rewrites civilization. Change like we have not seen is coming it will either be change for the good or bad but the old status quo is gone. As for it being exciting...no. There are much better / smarter ways to bring about change than burning the bridge after you've cross it.

[retrowire]

147. Yeah but what if the bridge is burning no matter what? Nt

[Snackshack]

184. In that case...

There are no good answers and a choice needs to be made. Either be Alexandrian about it and fan the flames, hope for the best or grab a hose and try to mitigate the damage.

It's obvious which choice republicans have made. I don't think Democrats are anywhere close to that point of going on a scortched earth campaign so they will opt to mitigate which means some measure of acceptance and compromise. Both options are a disaster for Democrats.

IMO the only way this gets any better is if people rise up, continue to engage and in far greater numbers. The ~40% or 50% of the electorate that did not (and normally does not participate) in our Democracy has got to wake up. Republicans are counting on them to stay asleep.

If republicans do cut drastically foundational social safety net programs/department like SS / Medicare / FDA / EPA etc. and people start feeling pain it might wake them up. It might also bring and epiphany to the republican tea party base (the ones with signs saying "keep the government out of my Medicare&quot and they may finally realize they vote against their interests. If protests in the hundreds of thousand or millions start happening...maybe then Democrats will find some backbone and/or republicans will realize they have gone too far an pull back to the center. I don't see this happening though. This would be an uprising the likes of which we have not seen since the civil war. Remember millions across the WORLD protested against the Iraq invasion and bush / republicans still went ahead with it. I think it is more likely republicans will continue to play off the primal emotion of fear (an emotion incredibly difficult to reason against) and go about tearing down social programs put in place by the likes of FDR / Eisenhower / Nixon / Obama until America has regressed back to what it was like in late 19th early 20th century with the "robber barons"...hopefully I am very wrong.

Do I find it exciting...no. Cynical, depressing, anxious, almost overwhelmed to a bleak nihilistic pov...yes.

But you never know, tomorrow is a new day and anything can happen. 😐

[FSogol]

141. No, because a lot of people will suffer from the upcoming wars, terror attacks, griftting of our

Federal resources, damage to our economy, lose of affordable healthcare, decaying of our infrastructure, worsening off our environment, lost of civil protections, weakening of Federal regulation protecting us from unscruples corporations, and on and on.

What you are describing is the difference between static and dynamic. If your life is so static that you are excited about Trumpy, that's pretty sad, Break out of patterns and become more dynamic.

[retrowire]

145. I'd say a lot of lives were static when the world was so comfortable.

Motivation is motivation. Positive energy is positive. Doesn't matter what moved us, as long as we're moved.

[FSogol]

187. It is insane to see Trumpy as a positive. The burn it all down and rebuild crowd is wrong. It took

us a long time to get to this point. When you burn it down, it is impossible to tell what comes along. See the Iranian Revolution. How did that work out for those students?

[retrowire]

191. I'm not burning it down.

It is already burning. Once we face that, we can move forth.

[bluedigger]

142. In a certain sense.

It reminds me of the feeling I had during a night time nap of the earth flight in a UH-60 Blackhawk. I had a door seat with no door and a jammed seat belt fastener, so I just held on to a loose strap and tried not to fall out. Exciting!

[Iggo]

170. I was the passenger on a motorcycle when the driver decided he was going to run from the cops.

Blew a checkpoint at the entrance to the Vincent Thomas Bridge. Held on and tried not to fall off.

Exciting? Yes.

Fun? No.

(Seriously, I don't know how I ever survived my teens and twenties.)

EDIT: Just for the heck of it, here's a picture from the vantage point of where we started our run. The check point would've been just to the right there, from about that Exit sign and extending all the way back and to the right of the point of view in that picture. They were waving us over and he just gunned it...lol.

[bluedigger]

175. I dumped a date off the back end of a snow mobile once.

I told her to hang on tight.

[Iggo]

177. LOL...You were warned!

[alarimer]

148. Only if it were to result in something really good, but I doubt it will.

If people finally had enough and in the next two elections, drummed the Republicans out of office so that Democrats controlled Congress and the White House.

Because, until the conservative right wing is completely vanquished, I'm afraid we will see our way of life continue to deteriorate.

So, not really exciting at all. More like traumatic and terrifying.

But you may be right in that good things can come out of trauma. We had to go to war to get rid of slavery. WWII also resulted in the UN (which I think is a good thing overall) and NATO. Now, the Cold War sucked big time, I'll grant that.

[retrowire]

152. It can result in something good.

Because of this volatility, we have more of a chance than ever before to make choices that haven't been made before. We are capable of something more than before.

Look at the energy out there. It is truly alive and the real majority wants what's right. We can make it happen.

[alarimer]

163. I worry about outrage fatigue.

It's almost impossible to keep up. There is some new thing to protest every single day. How can we possibly maintain the energy?

[retrowire]

167. By converting outrage into...

Excitement.

My optimism for all that's possible must be sickening to some but that's how you avoid outrage fatigue.

We look forward, towards the opportunities to change things for good. Don't be distracted by that dick pimple tyrant in the White House. We are truly the owners of this nation. We can make things right. We will, for the sake of humanity.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

149. no. what you call madness impact real people's lives. it's not fun or exciting.

it's really sad.

[retrowire]

151. I never said it was fun.

See post 104.

There is a light to be had.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

153. the idea that you find excitement when so many will lose their right to vote

when so many are barred from coming into this country, when the SC will tilt right for generations, baffles me.

[retrowire]

158. Didn't read 104 did you?

How can you not be moved into action and energized by this?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

160. moved to action is different from excitement. somewhere on this thread you mentioned germany

recovering.

your posts show a lack of basic empathy for those who will suffer.

i can be moved to action because something disgusts me. It doesn't have to excite me.

[retrowire]

231. But Germany the nation did recover.

I never said the people. That's totally understood. Nobody is ignorant to that tragedy here.

Point is, if they can come back from the lowest, we can.

If everybody wants to kick and scream about how sad and defeated we should be instead then I can't help anyone.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

235. I really doubt that you ever help anyone

[retrowire]

241. What's the point of being mean? Really?

Have a better Thursday.

[Corey_Baker08]

150. As A Liberal Democrat I'm More Energized Than Ever...

I want this administration to fail in a way that makes the Nixon downfall seem irrelevant & I want to be part of it...

What I wouldn't give for a plane ticket to DC & a place to stay so I could protest in front of the White House every single day!!!!

[moda253]

155. No they are playing Russian Roulette with my kids lives eom

[La Lioness Priyanka]

157. +1

[retrowire]

162. This is why we are all moved to action.

I'm sorry. But I will work against this for you and yours. We all will.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

165. you could have worked to promote HRC. Devos got confirmed, as will Sessions, as will Gorsuch

the damage they will do will impact real people's lives.

you protesting excitedly on the street will not stop it.

elections have fucking consequences.

[retrowire]

168. I voted for her. Nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

172. that's not promoting. nt

[retrowire]

174. Go ahead and make me your punching bag for that.

That's the past, but if you still need to fight it. Go ahead.

[NotThisTime]

159. No, when I have to worry about traveling to see my daughter or bringing her home I am not excited

It might be 7 countries right now, it could be 70 tomorrow... as a parent you just steel yourself and prepare for the worst.

[rzemanfl]

161. I had an 80 year-old Trump supporter raving much the same at me yesterday.

Babbling about changing the Constitution to exclude Muslims from the religions we are free to be. He was not previously known to me to be bat shit crazy. From now on he will get "Hello" and "Goodbye" out of respect for his advanced years I will leave off "mother**ker" and keep that to myself.

[retrowire]

164. I assure you, that's not the same as my excitement. Nt

[rzemanfl]

166. My point is those assholes are excited too. n/t

[retrowire]

169. Oh i know. But we're the majority. Nt

[Alice11111]

244. But they have the power in all 3 branches. Gerrymandering

You are naive. We were the majority of the electorate and we lost. They are obsessively motivated too, but they cheat and lie. They are mean and proud to be. We are motivated, but we are decent. I feel like with them holding the power and their aggressive meanness, it is like hyenas v bunny rabbits. We have to be stronger, faster, and not trust them for a second. Look what they did to Elizabeth Warren. Totally unnecessary, as well as wrong. They don't care. The ends always justifies the means with them.

[retrowire]

245. And with the structure of those rules that brought them to power

Being exposed for what they are, I believe the majority will finally have enough and a big change will occur from it.

I look at it this way. Change is occurring no matter what. We can sit back and be disappointed and aghast at the change or we can jump into the chaos and actively try and arrange it to the best of our ability while it all happens. The deck was stacked against us for the last time, and I think the cards are about to topple.

Let's rearrange the deck together instead of being shocked at how they plan to do it. I know you're thinking, "but government and gerrymandering!"

That stuff won't have any power over the people that won't let it. These are dire times aren't they?

[okieinpain]

176. only if people get out and vote. n/t.

[LenaBaby61]

178. I don't find any of what tRumputin's doing ....

As exciting.

Daily threats, tweeting out of control. LYING in a loop. Horrible laws he's passing.

Nothing at ALL is exciting about what this Illegitimate-in-Chief is doing TO this country OP.

I'm filled with anxiety.

[TrekLuver]

179. No....it will be exciting when Trashpot take down occurs.

[retrowire]

194. That is occurring right now.

As long as we're apart of it.

[benld74]

181. Like a Spy thriller novel

I keep waiting for a far out thing to occur which stops it in its tracks

[Victor_c3]

182. I'll agree with you

I believe there is the potential for a tremendous public backlash and a big swing to the left. I have been saying that we've been ebbing towards a massive progressive shift in this country and I still think that is the case.

The trump presidency is exciting to me in the same way going on a dismounted combat patrol in a war zone is. The immediacy of the moment and the adrenaline is there, but beneath it all is an underlying sense of doom. It's hard d to explain it unless you've been through it. You can't beat that feeling, but the same time it is absolutely terrifying.

There is a lot of potential for massive progress in our country in 4 years. All we have to do is keep the momentum going that long.

[Adrahil]

183. A little......

I think the potential for harm is huge.

But I also think there is potential for the whole stinking mess to to collapse on itself and take the reputation of the Republican party with it.

But I fear the bad guys already have their talons too deep into the fabric of government and we'll see the idiot exposed for what he is.

[Charles Bukowski]

186. Anyone who finds this shitstorm exciting

will most likely be only minimally effected by its negative aspects, if at all. Like this privileged third party voter:


“Some people feel Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in then things will really, you know, explode.” - Susan Sarandon


Yay, fun! She doesn't have to worry about being banned from entering the country, she won't be sent off to war, her health insurance (unlike mine) is safe, and neither she nor her immediate family is in danger of being fucking deported.

Let the party begin! It'll be just like 60s!

[retrowire]

195. Exciting doesn't always mean fun. Nt

[Charles Bukowski]

198. The word "exciting" is almost always used in a positive manner.

You yourself have used it in a positive manner throughout this thread.

There is NOTHING exciting about what we're about to go through with this administration. Fighting tooth and nail for civil liberties we've been taking advantage for decades isnt fun, it's regression.

[retrowire]

200. Continue to argue the definition or accept my clarification.

Your choice. My message is still one of empowerment. Some see it, some dont. I'm not obligated to point to post 104 all the time.

[otohara]

188. Is Depression Exciting?

not so much ...

as for the party I see it being torn apart and I'm not on board with the new kids on the block.

[retrowire]

196. No, resolve is. Nt

[betsuni]

193. Not when there's the chance of all this ending up in war.

I saw a movie yesterday about a guy who makes a machine that tells the future. He sees, in the future, that because a country starts a world war, the U.S. (which has the machine) decides to preemptively attack that country to stop the war, but it in fact starts the world war. Same thing happens with a plague. Whatever they do to stop the plague before it happens instead starts it. And finally, whatever is done to stop nuclear doomsday causes it. Like preemptively invading Iraq after 9/11 caused the Islamic State, people insisting they need to be able to buy guns easily because they need protection against violence have created a society of mass shootings and accidental deaths, the "pro-life" nuts closing down women's health clinics leads to more abortions. A lot of things seem to be like that. I am not optimistic.

And I don't know what people mean when they say the Democratic party must change, transform. If all the current Democrats disappeared and all new people came in to replace them, then they're the establishment and have to do the hard boring work of dealing with society and won't be perfect and everybody will complain, and so it goes.

[manicraven]

201. If you consider chest pains triggered by extreme anxiety exciting, then I guess so.

Yes, this is big, but it's also extremely dangerous, and that's not the kind of exciting I like.

[Warpy]

202. Exciting? No. Horrifying? Yes. Entertaining? You bet

Right now I'm hanging back and enjoying the show as Trumpers slowly wake up to the fact that they elected a bull in a china shop who is going to wreck the country for all of us, not just the evil libruls.

Knowing none of this is my fault is comforting. Knowing that it will be some time until enough Trumpers have awakened from their self righteous delusions to make a large majority of citizens against him is disquieting. It's not the time to act (except by applying direct pressure to Congress through letters and phone calls) and won't be for some time to come.

However, that day will get here. Then it will take years to clean up his mess.

[ailsagirl]

208. I know what you're saying, but no

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Too much is at stake, and they've done deeply serious damage already

[panader0]

209. Anxiety rather than excitement.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

212. Yes. Very exciting.

In a Slim Pickens sort of a way.







https://m.

[Starry Messenger]

213. No.

My profession and union will both be destroyed and 3000 women per year will potentially die of botched DIY abortions.

[cwydro]

216. Sounds like something Susan Sarandon would say.

But I don't find it exciting in the least,

[LeftInTX]

218. No

Not for me. I'm too old. I tend to get discouraged and overwhelmed. Although I am trying and have joined an Indivisibles group. My body tells me that I should spend more time taking care of it.

However, I admire your energy and hope you can keep up the fight.

[obamanut2012]

220. This OP comes from a place of privilege

Know what I'm doing? Making a pledge with a male friend of mine, who is also gay, that we'll marry each other as "cover" if things get too bad, so we won't be imprisoned or something.

So no, I don't find this exciting at all.

Pretty shameful and exposing OP.

[retrowire]

230. I'm willing to do the same kind of things.

I find the motivation and potential exciting.

Check yourself. No one will discredit my words because of my privilege. I am not ignorant to anyones plight, I check my privilege everyday. That does NOT mean I'm not allowed an opinion on recent events.

[hrmjustin]

221. This kind of thinking infuriates me.

This is the same kind of thinking that caused people on the left to stay home or to vote third party. Trump would win and screw up, and then they could remake the party as something like the green party.

Sorry but there is nothing to embrace in this message!

[retrowire]

229. That's fine. Don't be energized for resolve.

That's totally cool. Stay at home and let's all chew our fingernails in anxiety.

Nah, I'm excited for what we can now do.

[hrmjustin]

252. I never said stay home!

Don't put words in my mouth!

[retrowire]

253. I didn't say you said that. I told you to do it. Nt

[hrmjustin]

255. You have a lovely day!

[retrowire]

256. I hope to. You as well. Nt

[D_Master81]

223. When I read this thread title...

The line that comes to mind is what the Pres in Independence Day says when the scientist says "exciting". "EXCITING?? People are dieing out there I dont think exciting is the right way to put it".

[milestogo]

224. No. I find it exhausting.

[randr]

226. A roller coaster ride everyday

My head explodes once a day. At least.

[Rhiannon12866]

228. It's like burning down a house and having to rebuild rather than just fixing that broken front step

[Vinca]

234. Excellent analogy. That's just how I feel.

[Rhiannon12866]

240. Thanks!

And the thing is, all of us are living in that house. Where are we supposed to go? I certainly don't feel like moving. I've lived here my whole life and I'm rather attached to the place...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

247. sounds thrilling.

[Rhiannon12866]

257. This is definitely the kind of thrill I can do without.

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, keep thinking we can't go on like this. If anyone had ever made a movie with this as a plot, it would have bombed as being too unrealistic and unbelievable.

[ladjf]

232. No. nt

[Chemisse]

237. No. It is causing me a lot of anxiety.

Maybe if I were young, it would be exciting. But now I only see how high the stakes are and how very much we have to lose.

[grossproffit]

238. Not in the least. I'm disgusted. eom

[randome]

248. I truly believe the GOP is in a death spiral. It's getting uglier and taking longer than I thought.

I never imagined someone worse than Palin would be their standard-bearer. Now we have Trump. Is there someone worse than him waiting in the wings?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Donald Trump's scorecard:
Muslim ban = failed. Yemen raid = failed. Approval ratings = failed.
Mexican wall = failed. Economic utopia = failed. Grade point average = 0.[/center][/font][hr]

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258. There isn't going to be anything better. any change will be a result of demograhpic changes

Trump supporters continue to support him and his bigotry.