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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe 2020 Democratic Presidential Ticket is likely to a Warren/Booker ticket.
A progressive white female for President and a moderate black male for Vice President.
Squinch
(50,950 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)No offense to Warren, she'd be great
But the Democrats will probably run a 'sane and reasonable' white male to counter the Trump dumpster fire.
Maybe something like
Charismatic White Male/Warren 2020
nkpolitics1212
(8,617 posts)A Sherrod Brown-OH/Tammy Baldwin-WI ticket
OH becomes a purple state, MI,PA, and WI turn into blue states.
AJT
(5,240 posts)a totaly blue state, but maybe the presidency.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)Not only because he's MY Senator, from my home State, and he's from my hometown, and my dad knew his mom, but mainly because he's one of the few Democratic Senators with BALLS who is willing to FIGHT. I begged for Sherrod to run in 2016 (and I still maintain that if he had, he'd be President right now), but the fact of the matter is that he never will. I heard somewhere that his wife threatened to divorce him if he ran for President. That's probably why he didn't run (and why he wasn't chosen as Hillary's running mate either). That's not likely to change in 2020, but you never know. His wife might actually get so fed up with the crap going on now that she'll change her mind. I'm not holding my breath, but I know for a solid-gold fact that if he ran, he'd win.
tinrobot
(10,902 posts)Joe appeals to the working class voters in the Midwest.
Warren appeals to the liberals on the coasts.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Bottom line. I believe we will have a deep bench to choose from.
former9thward
(32,012 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,927 posts)I'm a "little bit behind" in my "New Yorker" magazine reading and I just found a 2014 article about how Rand Paul was the best possible candidate for the Pugs to put forward - and how it all seemed to be headed that way.
Hey, I remember laughing my self silly when Drumpf came down the escalator to his paid audience to announce his candidacy - WOW, who'da thunk it? We KNEW he had no chance in hell, right?
Yep, WAY too early to even TRY to pick a ticket.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)For Christ sakes! Democrats have lost the US House, the US Senate, Govenor mansions, and state houses across the entire country.
And since this happened before the 2010 census, all the fucking congressional districts are hopelessly Gerrymandered against us.
But by all means make everything about the White House and see how far that it gets you! Especially since we've lost that too. To a fucking maniac I might add!
Now we see what an over two year presidential campaign gets us. Nada!
The GOP has nearly everything. Heaven help us all if these GOP state legislatures have enough support to form a Constitutional Convention. (Another reason to read your Constitution!) We'd be utterly screwn.
But by all means, vote only in the presidential elections and ignore the down ballot races. See what that gets us. Bupkis!
Yes, I'm pissed!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... just being able to fantasize or dream of what the future may hold is the only thing that keeps us going. When someone takes delight in looking at the final goal, and the big picture, that doesn't preclude any of the smaller steps that are required to get there. Nor does it minimize the importance of the things that you feel are most important.
Why would you want to take away someone's ability to create hope for themselves? Why would you take such pleasure (seemingly) in scolding someone for looking ahead and imagining the possibilities?
I guess we can't all be as miserable (and "pissed" as you ... so if that's the measure of one's patriotism, then hooray-for-you! You win!
Of course, because we find respite in allowing ourselves to imagine and dream, we aren't as well-read on the Constitution as you. Shame on us!
Here, let me save you some trouble. Where's my whip?
George II
(67,782 posts)...a Democratic Governor and all state-wide office holders are Democrats. We have a Democratic majority in our Legislature and our Senate is evenly split (Democratic Lieutenant Governor breaks a tie). My state Senator and Representative are Democrats, my mayor is a Democrat and we have a majority on our council.
I'm going to wile away some of my hours speculating on who would be our best candidate for President in three years.
brooklynite
(94,581 posts)...I'm foced on the reakity of the 2017 races and laying the groundork for 20 i.
delisen
(6,043 posts)Democracy is not about one officeholder, even if that office is the presidency.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)She will lose
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I think Warren would make a good president.
We have a lot of potential candidates who I think can and will win the next election.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)I love the women but and I hate to say it a white male would be a safer choice.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)nkpolitics1212
(8,617 posts)Democrats have to defend highly vulnerable Democratic held seats in
FL-Nelson-D
IN-Donnelly-D
MO-McCaskill-D
MT-Tester-D
NJ-Whoever succeeds Menendez-D
NM-Heinrich-D
ND-Heitkamp-D
OH-Brown-D
PA-Casey-D
VA-Kaine-D
WV-Manchin-D
WI-Baldwin-D
Plus they need to win 3 Republican held seats.
AZ and NV are the 2 vulnerable Republican held seats Democrats could pick up.
The 51st seat for Democrats could be Collins -ME becoming an Independent caucusing with the Democratic.
Chevy
(1,063 posts)the Alt-Left all riled up.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)brooklynite
(94,581 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)With that said, no one ever thought Reagan could win in the late 70's.
No one thinks Warren can win now.
Seeing that we are on the other side of the 70's, the backlash to right wing policy is clear.
November 3, 2020 could be the left's November 4, 1980.
Demsrule86
(68,578 posts)After the Regan years which were extended to a third term with Bush I, we barely got Clinton elected. Clinton would not have won without Perot. I still think this is a center left country, and you will not elect a super progressive...I say this sadly because I am more progressive than Obama (whom I love but he was not liberal) and Bill Clinton. What got Trump elected mostly besides cheating was populism not liberalism...two very different things. We need to run appropriate candidates in all 50 states...we have to win in the states in order to stop the gerrymander. We need to run someone in 20 who can win. We need someone like Sherrod Brown...someone from a state we want to win. Sherrod is a liberal but he has a populist bent that attracts people in red states.
MattP
(3,304 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... there are many within our party who hate them both and would (apparently) prefer to LOSE the election again than to have the "wishy-washy-traitor" Elizabeth Warren and the "corporatist" Cory Booker represent our party.
I swear tagod ... some people's children. They're never happy no matter what.
They want all or nothing.
Burn it down instead of mend it.
They just don't know how good they actually have it and what an abundance of riches we have as a party... but nothing is good enough, nothing is pure enough. Perfection is the enemy of the good. It's like they take greater joy in complaining about standing still (or moving backward) than they do in making progress, no matter how slow that progress may be.
Warren and Booker would, of course, be an excellent and energizing team. They'd represent our party and our nation and its citizens well. I'd love to see it happen.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Today I received a couple banners I designed for future (ACA) rallies. One of them might still be useful in 2020 if Warren is our nominee. It is a little early for me to commit to a nominee but Warren is up at the top of my list right now.
The other one, well.... a bit more topic specific.
MFM008
(19,814 posts)Warren will be 74.
Darn it, I like her but come on. We have people UNDER the retirement age
that can run. I favor Kamala Devi Harris,
funny name, person of color...that's never worked before...
I don't know about Booker, I need more proof hes not a DINO.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Same for Gillibrand. Duckworth. There are some men as well that are intriguing. I think Warrens window as a presidential contender has more or less closed for the reason you mentioned.
Not sure about Booker. I have no feel for what his talent ceiling is as a pol.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Hekate
(90,699 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)I like the thought of Biden/Warren.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)its time to look for more youthful candidates. There are plenty of up and comings. PS I'm over 60.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I think we need some fresh new blood. I like Seth Moulton (D-MA).
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)We're less than a month into the Cheeto Regime, and it feels like 40 years. Fuck thinking about four years from now. We need to organize for the now.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Actually, I think it's perfectly natural to start thinking ahead and imagining the possibilities. What better way to stay motivated? (Well, perhaps not for you. But for many.)
What harm comes from such things? Why is everyone piling-on with their dismissive and ugly and harsh words?
qanda
(10,422 posts)I'm a black woman and I'm telling you that if you want two terms of Trump then run run that ticket. I love Elizabeth Warren but she won't beat Trump.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)While any generic Democratic candidate won against Trump or any combination of Republicans. (Not sure which company it was, it's been a couple of days and I didn't save the link.)
I would love to see Elizabeth Warren as president but for the campaign I think we'd be in the same situation as we were with Hillary Clinton. The Republicans despise Warren nearly as much as they do Clinton. Warren has enough of a history they can dredge for negatives the same way they did with Clinton.
I don't have a good suggestion for Democratic candidates at this point but I think we need someone fresh. Maybe run them with an older more experienced Democrat the way Barack Obama ran with Joe Biden to satisfy those who don't like the unknown.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)we cannot accomplish anything we want. Right now the GOP Congress is running the country, sticking all kinds of legislation under 45's nose that he signs like a robot. The media is focused on the circus and the rest of the country is getting screwed except for the 2%.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)you may adore Warren but not all dems do.
If you look at where we lost, it is not a hot bed of progressive-ism. It is blue collar coal miners who have hated totebaggers for years. warren reminds them of tote baggers.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)He has the comportment...thinks quickly on his feet...he's smart...and darn it, people like him.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)I love Warren, but I'm lukewarm on Booker.
djg21
(1,803 posts)We won't win. We need a candidate from the Midwest or maybe PA or a traditionally red state at the top of the Ticket (like Clinton, from Arkansas). A candidate from the NY/New England or the west coast delivers nothing in terms of electoral votes, as those States already are reliably blue. Booker or Gillibrand or Harris might be a good VP candidate this time around, and then can run down the road at the top of the ticket after holding national office.
4 years is an eternity in Politics. We shouldn't even be talking about candidates for a while. We need to be focusing on 2018 mid-terms and State races right now.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And your analysis is lacking in every single area.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... wistful daydreaming of imagining the possibilities for the future. Some harmless escapism that looks forward in a hopeful and optimistic way.
Many people here are being brutally unfair and much too hard on the OP as well as the rest of us who enjoy idle speculation and conversation that harms no one.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"A progressive white female for President and a moderate black male for Vice President."
I think my comment was far from brutal. I think it was completely accurate.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You are reacting (and commenting) as if the OP had attempted to present his/her personal belief as some sort of thoughtful analytical piece... clearly that's not the case.
People here are understandably on-edge ... but I think it's unnecessary to continually strike out at people who mean no harm, or to be dismissive of someone's ideas and hopes. This was a totally harmless and "throw-away" OP that's more fluff than substance. I don't understand why people are treating it as more than it is, and reacting as though it has some hidden agenda that must be countermanded.
Demsrule86
(68,578 posts)I love EW but I would prefer not to see a woman run in 20...I am a woman by the way. The stakes are too high...we have to get the presidency back to save any part of the courts.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... that we "need" a male at the top of the ticket.
Demsrule86
(68,578 posts)I am terrified of losing...it would be the end of progressive policy for a generation. I don't know who would be good. I like Elizabeth Warren but can she win?
get the red out
(13,466 posts)And no one gets "picked" before we have a chance to vote on them.
VOX
(22,976 posts)And they're threatening to take down more. Unions are being neutralized, pensions are in jeopardy...the results are around e obvious on once-Democratic Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. These used to be counted on to be Democratic strongholds. The long reach and lush green of the Koch family has made some serious inroads into a region historically represented by Democratic officeholders. Do not take your eyes off the state-level posts-- these obviously threaten the winning capacity of the Democratic Party, let alone its very capacity to survive.