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Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:45 AM

Trumps Public Humiliation

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/02/robert_harward_turned_down_trump_now_others_can_too.html

Trump’s Public Humiliation

By rejecting the national security adviser job, Robert Harward gave cover to every professional who wants to turn the president down.

By Fred Kaplan


Donald Trump isn’t accustomed to hearing prospective underlings say “No.” So it came as a shock when retired Vice Adm. Robert Harward—his first choice to replace Michael Flynn as national security adviser—told the president he’d have to think about the offer. It must have been a double shock when, a few days later, Harward turned him down flat.

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Trump may now have a hard time filling the position with anyone whose qualifications or prominence would help calm the jitters of allies worldwide—and foreign-policy specialists here—who are wondering what the hell is going on with this president. At the moment, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, a competent administrator who had been the NSC’s chief of staff, is the acting national security adviser, and it may be that Trump will have to settle on him as the successor.

Three weeks into his term, Trump heads a White House with three or four vacant power centers. He has no national security adviser, a half-full NSC staff, hollow Defense and State Departments (where Trump has yet to nominate any deputy or undersecretaries), and the secretaries heading those departments—Mattis and Rex Tillerson—who, however smart and talented they may be, have never run a federal agency.


At his wild and woolly press conference Thursday afternoon, Trump twice insisted that his administration was “a fine-tuned machine.” It was a risible claim then. A few hours later, after news broke that a retired vice admiral and former Navy SEAL didn’t want to work for him, not even in one of the most vaunted jobs in the White House, the claim careened into total absurdity.

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Reply Trumps Public Humiliation (Original post)
babylonsister Feb 17 OP
Cha Feb 17 #1
samnsara Feb 17 #6
TrollBuster9090 Feb 17 #12
Initech Feb 17 #26
PatrickforO Feb 17 #30
pinboy3niner Feb 17 #2
rpannier Feb 17 #31
Fast Walker 52 Feb 17 #3
DK504 Feb 17 #23
mgardener Feb 17 #4
GeoWilliam750 Feb 17 #5
Lucky Luciano Feb 17 #14
rpannier Feb 17 #32
Martin Eden Feb 17 #7
global1 Feb 17 #8
SammyWinstonJack Feb 17 #9
greymattermom Feb 17 #16
tanyev Feb 17 #10
vlyons Feb 17 #11
dawnie51 Feb 17 #13
mountain grammy Feb 17 #15
Nitram Feb 17 #17
DippyDem Feb 17 #18
mikelewis Feb 17 #19
Ligyron Feb 17 #20
Fast Walker 52 Feb 17 #25
Honeycombe8 Feb 18 #36
Ligyron Feb 18 #39
dalton99a Feb 17 #21
oasis Feb 17 #22
joanbarnes Feb 17 #24
kairos12 Feb 17 #27
zentrum Feb 17 #28
Brother Buzz Feb 17 #29
DefenseLawyer Feb 17 #33
SunSeeker Feb 18 #35
SHRED Feb 18 #34
DFW Feb 18 #37
malaise Feb 18 #38
Javaman Feb 18 #40

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:52 AM

1. I read Robert Harwood called it a "shit sandwich".. perceptive

Vice Admiral.

I thought his "public humiliation" was going to be his presser.. you know, the one where he humiliated himself. That too.

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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:34 AM

6. now he just needs to wet himself....

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Response to samnsara (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:18 AM

12. "Oh Trump, can't you go five seconds without humiliating yourself?"


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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:07 PM

26. Is he a Spinal Tap fan?



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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:41 PM

30. I think the whole Trump experience has been a shit sandwich...

for the American people. Our misguided Electoral College elected a madman, and now we the people must try our best to get out of it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:57 AM

2. Who in his right mind wants that stain on his or her career?

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:06 PM

31. At this point two types

1. Those who crave being at or near the center of power and would sell out everyone and everything to get it. They will be able to say, "I was the Secretary of..." Even if it turns into a disaster, they will have made their contacts, greaed the wheels and made their money
2. Those who see a catastrophe and feel they have to do something to slow and stop it before it blows up

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:58 AM

3. this can only cause a downward spiral-- there's no confidence in the Trump presidency

for good reason.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:30 PM

23. And become a patsy for the admins

corrupt and illegal activites.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:03 AM

4. They are just waiting

For a Pence White house.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:30 AM

5. 39% approval rating

Probably will not drop below 35% unless Murdoch turns on him

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Response to GeoWilliam750 (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:06 AM

14. I think the backwash is the bottom 28% of this country.

No matter what, W would never go below 28%. So sub-30 means he is done in my view.

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Response to GeoWilliam750 (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:09 PM

32. I think Bush II bottomed at about 33%

Hair Douchengroper has fewer supporters, but they're far more ravenous
I say he bottoms at 31 and doesn't drop below that until they either die off or realize the jobs aren't coming back
That would be in 2018-9. If he lasts that long

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:35 AM

7. Maybe Donald's friend Putie can recommend a replacement for Flynn

Heck, Donnie doesn't even need a National Security Advisor, since he already knows more than the generals.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:35 AM

8. The Word Humiliation Is Not Part Of 45Pee's Vocabulary...nt

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Response to global1 (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:44 AM

9. It is and then he sets out to ruin those responsible. He's said as much.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:07 AM

16. He used to be able to ruin folks

but he has no idea what power the folks he's dealing with now really have. I'm sure it's much more than a real estate dealer has.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:49 AM

10. Don't know anything else about Harward, but good on him for this.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:14 AM

11. Just such a liar

Didn't everyone here at DU tell the world that Traitor Trump is a pathelogical liar? We told you that every thing he says, everything coming out his mouth is a lie. A liar going back decades. Pathetic. Trump's presser yesterday was like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. Everyone who saw it knew he was lying. Was even called out on some of his lies. Pathetic and erratic.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:29 AM

13. The posts that are filled.....

are filled by unqualified money grubbing corporates who have ZERO interest in public policy and TOTAL interest in filling their pockets with public money. No one who gives a shit about the country would EVER work for this buffoon, and everyone knows it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:07 AM

15. He promised jobs to his deplorable voters..

how about hiring them? They probably wouldn't do any worse that the oligarchs he's choosing.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:28 AM

17. I'm just hoping Trump will have had enough and just resign.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:41 AM

18. Yes I approve your message too...and

Let him play golf whenever he wants and get his airplane back and pay for it out of his own pocket.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:46 AM

19. ooooo!!!! pick me!!!!! I'll do it!!!!

I'll be great... the greatest... what's the position again... doesn't matter... Sign me up chief... I have no idea what I'm doing, I have an inherent distrust of the people I'll be Lording over and to top it off... I love Borscht. I'd willing sell out my fellow Americans... operative word being sell... and will follow whatever orders President Bannon orders; provided I don't have to be in the same room as him as he's disgusting to look at so I can only imagine what he smells like.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:38 PM

20. That Presser did it for him, I'm sure.

His refusal occured just after that and who could blame him?

One of the scariest things I've ever seen on teevee.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:36 PM

25. yeah, good point.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 04:47 AM

36. Did it really? Didn't know that, about the timing. ...

I'm surprised that the presser was a surprise to Harward, and that the long string of Trump lies and rants and off balance statements and actions wasn't enough to convince him.

Maybe he decided before, though, and it was announced after.

He made the right decision.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:34 AM

39. It was as good a time as any.

Plus he didn't like the people Trump insisted remain in the NSC like Bannon. He expected, as most people would, that he'd be able to put his own folks in.

Also, who would want the job under those conditions? Now Betray us has truned it down too. Nobody wants to get Trump stink all over them. It would probably a career ender.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:42 PM

21. Normal people don't want to work for a crazy asshole.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:45 PM

22. Take your job and shove it. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:00 PM

24. ..and no one would perform at his inauguration. First clue.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:29 PM

27. Drumpt has set sail on the good ship Titanic and we are all in steerage.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:01 PM

28. If it takes Harward

....to give them cover, they are not really very professional.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:17 PM

29. Very quietly, 2/3's of his Advisory Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders....

quit on Wednesday.

10 Resign from Presidents Advisory Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/10-resig

by TRACI G. LEE
FEB 16 2017

Ten members of the President's Advisory Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders (AAPIs) submitted their resignation to President Donald Trump, NBC News has learned.

In the letter addressed to Trump and obtained by NBC News on Wednesday, the 10 members — approximately two-thirds of the commission — stated their objection to the president's "portrayal of immigrants, refugees, people of color and people of various faiths as untrustworthy, threatening, and a drain on our nation."

The letter, dated Feb. 15, lists several of the Trump administration's actions that the members say go against the commission's principles, including proposals to cut federal resources to sanctuary cities, repealing the Affordable Care Act, and banning refugees and travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries.

Members also met with former Deputy Secretary of Labor Chris Lu, and former WHIAAPI executive directors Kiran Ahuja and Doua Thor. via White House Initiative on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders
Among the members who resigned are its chair and vice chair — Tung Thanh Nguyen, professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco; and Mary Okada, president and CEO of Guam Community College — and actor Maulik Pancholy, who told NBC News that the decision to leave was "an emotional and difficult" one.

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Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/10-resign-president-s-advisory-commission-asian-americans-pacific-islanders-n721386

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:11 PM

33. I have to assume that the former Admiral still has friends

In military intelligence. He may know what many still only suspect.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 02:53 AM

35. Exactly. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:06 AM

34. Why did tRump announce this guy...

...prior to him accepting or rejecting the offer?

Very odd.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:16 AM

37. Far more urgently needed than a National Security Adviser:

Trump needs an emotional nanny--a National Insecurity Adviser, because he certainly has no shortage of insecurity.

Maybe they'll even need to form a National Insecurity Council, so he has a shrink on call wherever he goes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_President's_Analyst

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 06:07 AM

38. I heard someone last night saying that Betrayus was also going

to turn down the offer.
I loved how the Con's goons at the WH said that the offer to Harwood wasn't a real offer

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:44 AM

40. "a fine-tuned machine."...

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