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Trump administration denies it is considering using National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants20 Mins Ago
The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.
However, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the administration has made no effort to use national guard troops to round up immigrants. He called the report false.
The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana.
Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/17/trump-considers-mobilizing-100000-national-guard-troops-to-round-up-unauthorized-immigrants.html
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops!
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,649 posts)dalton99a
(81,485 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)So he can piss and moan about "false news" and use this as an example.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Thanks for your post. It's an important point.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)to see what kind of reaction it gets from the public before doing the real thing.
Botany
(70,503 posts)Here comes fascism.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That is chilling to me.
Is it even legal?
Botany
(70,503 posts)n/t
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I'm sure many would be pissed if this order comes down.
It does show the dangers of serving in the military under a madman like Trump though.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)As did our generals. This is easily an unconstitutional order that should wait until a thorough review from the courts before executing.
Also we here in cali are still on standby for the fucking dam.
Priorities, right?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)10 U.S. Code § 332 - Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority
10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(b) The classes of the militia are
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
ETA:
And while we are at it:
10 U.S. Code § 333 - Interference with State and Federal law
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I could be a militia of one since almost anyone can be---except I'm over 45.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Do we need to muster??
angrychair
(8,698 posts)I am surprised it has not already been challenged.
The Constitution guarantees the right of the people to assemble and protest.
There is going to be a lot of times in which a president isn't going to like a protest but it doesn't mean you call out the military to stop it.
I stand by my point that the application of such a law, across several states is tantamount to trump starting acivil war.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Calling out the NG to enforce immigration laws, which can not be enforced by normal means due to several reasons (unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion), sounds just like how the law is written.
Those obstructions could be his stumbling blocks...but interfering in lawful arrests is also illegal.
ETA:
while we are at it:
10 U.S. Code § 333 - Interference with State and Federal law
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws
angrychair
(8,698 posts)I admit I'm no law student but I know that the mass round up and detention of people, "illegal" or not, will not pass the smell test in the courts.
More importantly, such an action will not be allowed in California or Oregon or any other state. This isn't the 1930s (last mass incarceration and deportation of Mexicans and other Latinos) or the 1940s (mass incarceration and deportation of Japanese).
http://www.densho.org/exiled-anti-immigrant-roots-mass-deportation-mexican-japanese-american-repatriation/
Most Americans feel nothing but shame for these dark periods in our history. NEVER AGAIN.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)See what we signed away after that terrible attack.
This is why Trump needs his reichstag fire event to shut down the real news media and take total control.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)life.....
Constitutional crisis coming right up?
atreides1
(16,079 posts)N/T
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...not surprised if the WH doesn't know what it's minions are doing.
They need to respond to the intentions of DHS, not just distancing themselves from this.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
DK504
(3,847 posts)and I said nothing, then they came for the Mexicans and I said nothing..... Who's next? Are we in the Anne Frank period of this disaster?
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)They got the lie thing down to a sick science.
librechik
(30,674 posts)because he will be doing things the people will object to, and he didn't like the protests.
Bannon and Miller have studied this sort of thing, and they have dreamed of forcing America to their will.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I agree.
He wants total obedience to the alt-reich alternate reality.
If the calls up the National Guard as the C-in-C they have to OBEY!
Now we now why the republican reich is so violently opposed to the judicial branch of the government.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,820 posts)They are tricksters who floated that for the sole intent and purpose of TRYING to discredit the media.
Too bad for them - we are onto these tricksters in the white house.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Yes, that's absolutely true. The administration hasn't made an effort to use National Guard troops to round up immigrants. Of course not... because the executive order hasn't YET been issued. The denial is worded so that it only applies to the present and not what's in the works and yet to come.
Or am I overlooking something? Am I being unnecessarily hyper-critical and cynical?
underpants
(182,797 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Because...first they came for the immigrants...etc
underpants
(182,797 posts)This is literally like using Brawndo to fertilize the agriculture.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)I hope?
angrychair
(8,698 posts)Such a move is wildly illegal and illogical.
I seriously doubt the majority of NG would follow such an order. No competent military commander would acknowledge those orders. The damage such an order would cause to the delicate balance between the military and its civilian leadership is devastating.
More importantly, many states, especially California, Washington, Oregon and New York, would not allow that to happen in their states. Such a move by the WH would be tantamount to civil war.
While I do believe they are ignorant and arrogant, I hope they are not that desperately ignorant and arrogant.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)to "provide maintenance, security and logistics support for missions in the region."
He has to use Nat. Guard for everything now since our armed forces can't find recruits easily.
angrychair
(8,698 posts)I have a supervisor in NG at work that said he is "going to NC" for 2 months May-June. Never heard of NG being out that long...
hack89
(39,171 posts)I live in Rhode Island - there have been RI NG troops deployed overseas on a near continuous basis for 15 years supporting military operations.
braddy
(3,585 posts)for Basic training, and Jump school, Ranger school, etc.
hack89
(39,171 posts)the NG is not a state militia - they are trained and equipped to fight along side the regular militia. The only war in our history where the NG did not fight in large numbers was Vietnam - the NG fought in large numbers in WWII, Korea and now the Middle East.
JHan
(10,173 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)There are lots of undocumented workers in other states like FL and in his own NYC and DC. Not suggesting they be added to Dump's 11-state proposal from the idiocracy but still, just sayin' it's another example of not doing his homework.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)they must be lying.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... National Guard troops.
Maybe.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That's what Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon told us.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(Asking for a friend.)
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Without having a place to put them till deportation.
So yes there will have to be camps of some type. The jails would not begin to hold all of those folks.