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Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:31 PM

 

I am going to buy my first gun

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I've always been against guns. I've always told my wife we would never have one in the house.

But things have changed.

We have an actual tyrant in power who is literally threatening to round up immigrants today. And those not speaking out now will be wondering what happened when he starts rounding up black people, then Muslims, and then themselves.

I will not stand idly by while my Pakistani neighbors are rounded up for not conforming to Drumpf's vision for America.

This man is dangerous. I knew this. But I came to a realization yesterday when I saw him spending hours attacking the free press for saying anything negative about him. It scared me to my core.

I will not let Trump and his goons come to my house to round me up, or take my friends and neighbors. All simply because we disagree with him and don't support his bigoted, racist, White Supremacist America. I will defend myself at all costs.

I still have to discuss this with my wife as she is truly terrified of a gun in the house but I am at a loss at this point.

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Reply I am going to buy my first gun (Original post)
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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:34 PM

1. Please use safe gun ownership. Practice. Take self defense classes too. A lot can be done

to protect yourself without a gun.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:35 PM

2. A weapon will only make you a target

I wouldn't think that being armed in a standoff against federal agents would end in a good outcome for you. My argument when I hear the notion that the Jews would have been okay in Nazi Germany if they'd been armed is that you can't shoot your way out of destructive laws. If you want to go ahead and kill yourself as they're coming for you, you'd get out of it quicker, but not better.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:35 PM

3. Get a gun if you want to.

But know that it won't protect you from the government if it comes after you personally or your neighbours. In that case, you are more likely to end up dead. The best weapon is the power of numbers: the governments of Eastern Europe were mostly toppled without a shot being fired. You would be far better off using your energy to organize your neighbourhood. Our greatest President was a community organizer after all.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:37 PM

4. That is as idiotic a move as the Right Wingers arming against Obama...

How exactly will "defend yourself"? Do you honestly believe that your gun (or 10 guns or 100), will give you any ability to resist the firepower of the Police, FBI or the military if the Government turned them against you?

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:37 PM

5. A gun is worthless

without the training and confidence to use it.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:37 PM

6. I and the wife will take advantage of the so-called constitutional carry that started Jan 1st here

I know all the alt-reich legions of fascist that surround us will be carrying.

I don't want my family disarmed in front of those goons.

Just be super careful and remember your firearm is ALWAYS loaded, always!

Don't put your finger on the trigger or point it in anyone's direction unless they are coming for you of course.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:42 PM

12. +1

You have every right to defend and deter.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:38 PM

8. Okay, that's it, now I'm fucking roused! Roused, I tell you!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:39 PM

9. Take classes

Clean it regularly. I think you're being extremely reasonable (I got reasonable when W was in office)

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:40 PM

10. sure. lmk how gunfight with federal government goes. nt

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:45 PM

15. What about a fascist mob of Trump worshipers?

Or the douche that cuts you off in traffic and wants to escalate it into assault?

Of course your handgun won't protect you from the army. We aren't to that point...yet.

Maybe next week....

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:52 PM

24. is this a common problem? a mob of trump supporters that we have to gun down?

i know NYC is special, but i am pretty sure that this is not an actual problem in the rest of the country.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:05 PM

31. Well I don't know your neighborhood but

Just down the street from where I live there was a home invasion a few years back. While the husband was assaulted his wife was raped.

And just at the end of last year a man was found shot to death in his car outside his home, also down the street from us.

This is the world my wife and I live in. We can't afford to move either.

Of course YMMV.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:09 PM

33. so not a bunch of marauding trump voters though?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:14 PM

36. Who knows, I'm not walking up to them to ask but we do live in a red state

that passed constitutional carry. Only blood red states have done that I bet.

Believe me, democrats and in particular liberal democrats are a definite minority around here.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:19 PM

37. I guessing that home invasion

was a common crime and not politically motivated.
I don't blame you for protecting yourself against that, but the OP was talking about something else.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:13 PM

65. If someone get the drop on you, you're dead if you go for a gun.

Use the incidents you mentioned to demand more frequent police patrols of your neighborhood, you will be safer.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:10 PM

63. If someone cut you off in traffic and don't cause an accident, let them fucking go.

You having a gunfight with an asshole on the freeway accomplishes nothing.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:40 PM

11. .....

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:42 PM

13. I own multiple power tools

I own multiple power tools that I need to use on occasion. I know how to use them because I've learned how to use them. I am of the mind that guns should be treated the same way. HOWEVER, they come with a LOT more responsibility attached to them. I will also be getting my first and likely only gun(s). Not because i feel I need to protect my home as it stands right now. I live in a affluent area that doesn't see much crime so that isn't my reason behind wanting to own and be proficient with their use. My reasoning is that we could quite possibly find ourselves in a situation where access to food is sparse and then yes also at that time security may be a totally different ballgame.

I want to point out that just as important to understand how to use a gun and more importantly keep it responsibly is that I will also be planting a garden (I moved to a new home and currently there is no garden so I want to get that up and running asap.

I don't want to sound like a doomsday prepper or anything like that but I think I have arrived at a point in my life where I believe I am responsible enough to keep a firearm for responsible use. I have come a long way in my approach to guns and my thoughts on them.

I also plan on documenting the steps it will take for me to purchase, train to be proficient with them, and to inventory my firearms (all of two one handgun and one shotgun). I am also of the belief that you should require insurance on your firearms, and that registration of your firearms is a must. I also think that if your firearms are stolen or misplaced and not reported in a timely manner then you should be subject to a fine. If your firearms are stolen and not reported and used in a crime then I think you should be subject to a penalty of some sort as failing to reasonably safeguard and inventory your firearms should be a punishable offense. I think these are common sense gun control options and as such I intend to live by them as much as I can.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:43 PM

14. Owning gun(s) does provide a feeling of comfort, a feeling of self-provision.

And really - it is not such a big deal to own 1 or 2, or whatever.

Besides, shooting is a blast.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:18 PM

70. That is the only reason that I would own a gun, to do rec target shooting. nt

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:46 PM

16. Paranoid and firearms is not a good mix

A gun will not stop a neighbor from being rounded up by Federal authorities. It will however help leave your wife a widow. While a gun can be used for self-defense, its actual use usually ends in someone else dying. To assume your gun will stop immigration policy is fanciful and flawed.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:47 PM

17. Giving In To The PANIC!!

So you're potentially going to endanger your own lives, not to mention doing exactly what this tyrant wants. He and especially the NRA thank you for buying into the paranoia which keeps them in business.

I understand your struggling with the idea, but giving in is what has helped, and continues to help make the NRA so powerful.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:47 PM

18. I, too

I, too, have been seriously considering purchasing a gun. When things go completely tits up, as I expect they will if his administration stays in office, I do not want to be the only person not armed.

Also, than you for the heart, kind person whoever you are! Made my day.

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Response to romana (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:25 PM

74. Why don't you learn how to quickly make bombs or

chemical weapons instead? If you are taking the coming potential mortal combat view that you seem to be leaning toward, bombs and chemical weapons are far more efficient at killing people (fellow humans).

Look, I know how enraging having Trump lovers cut you off in traffic and in public can be, I had that happen earlier this week. But unless you are willing to kill them, don't confront them. Organize and maximize political power instead.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:49 PM

19. Uh huh. Two days ago

you posted this:

We are winning
For the first time since election day I am gaining hope

The Trump administration is falling apart
People are resigning
Republicans are starting to talk about impeachment
Progressives are rallying and growing stronger for the mid-terms
The damage Trump is causing will be irreparable for Republicans
We have the media, education system, and Hollywood behind us

This is the final death throe of the backwards, redneck, racist White America

We are on the verge of a Progressive Renaissance


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028654586

You're doing it poorly.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:52 PM

25. +1

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Response to pintobean (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:54 PM

26. Have no doubt that we will win in the end

 

And I hope the Trump administration crumbles peacefully. But we also can't ignore how deranged he will get as things get worse for him. He will double down on his lunacy and hatred. Mark my words.

Do you think Trump and his administration will really step down peacefully? Or will he go full force on enacting his agenda? I thought it might happen until I saw his press conference yesterday attacking the press.

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Response to agenasolva (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:59 PM

28. How many people do you think

you'll have to shoot?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:53 PM

53. Actually better than average lol

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:49 PM

20. take a gun safety course...

..learn how to use it. Get a laser so you don't miss and like my instructor said 'when you aim it and plan to use it, fire 3 times'.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:07 PM

61. My ltc instructor,

said when you decide to use your gun to defend your life you have decided that your life is under direct threat, use your weapon to end the threat.

When I asked how many shots, he simply replied, enough to end the threat.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:50 PM

21. Figure out what kind of gun you want, because of what you want it for.

Do you want a gun to defend yourself against burglars and crime at your home, or for fighting as a combatant, out in the field and forests?

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:52 PM

22. Take lots of classes, GET A SAFE, become comfortable using it, and adopt the mindset to use it.

If you pull out a gun but lack the mindset to use it, it will be taken from you and used on your family.

Also, secure it as though it was worth a million dollars. Lock it up and be accountable for it.

Take situational shooting classes and don't just shoot at paper targets some 10 yards away.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:52 PM

23. Congrats - I am in favor of gun ownership, especially for Democrats, and...

You may be able to protect yourself, your loved ones and friends from the mouth breathing hordes (Tumpsters) in certain situations

But...

Just be careful regarding confronting LEO or Government officials.

Your willingness to shelter your neighbors from them may be a more effective strategy when dealing with TPTB

Also, just to repeat - Practice and training.

Peace

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:59 PM

27. If the only reason you are getting a gun is to resist...

It is probably not a good idea. I own firearms. My family has owned them since I was a kid. I would recommend as others have, to learn survival and self defense skills. A gun will not save you. It won't make you a target either but it won't really protect you from tyranny.

If you do purchase a gun and it is only for the reason you stated, as others have said, keep it in a safe or lock it up so that nobody can access it easily.

Guns are not dangerous sitting on a shelf, but in the wrong hands they can be deadly.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:00 PM

54. They are designed to be deadly in anyone's hands.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:00 PM

29. I prefer phasers mysef. You can set them to "stun."

And if you really do want to kill someone there's no mess to clean up.

amazon.com



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Response to hunter (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:08 PM

32. Good thing they're not real. I'd be shootin' fuckers all day if I had one of those.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:32 PM

77. Set to "stun", of course? nt

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Response to hunter (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:32 PM

48. This is my home defense weapon of choice.

Shoots accurate stream out 25-30 feet. But I'd way rather have a phaser!



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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:01 PM

30. And...paranoia has won!

I still have to discuss this with my wife as she is truly terrified of a gun in the house but I am at a loss at this point.

Yep, 'cause them sumbitches are known to just jump off the goddamned table and out of drawers and just start killing people!

All by them selves!

Hyperbole, much?

Get a grip!

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:11 PM

34. Don't. Please, just don't.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:12 PM

35. Just what we need, a bunch of people prepared to shoot neighbors over food, or god knows what.

If it comes down to that, you folks can come take my food. I'm not going to shoot anyone over food, even an ignorant white wing militia loving gun humper.

I'll leave this world to you guys who think you'll enjoy sleeping with one eye open, carry your gun to the bathroom, or whatever.

Hell, we already have DUers here who have god knows how many guns in preparation for every paranoid scenario they can dream up when not fondling their weapons, who admire George Zimmerman, have body armor, etc. The minute they start shooting it out as a white wing militia . . . . . or at white wing militias, the whole world will become a dystopian cess pool. You may like camping, but most won't live long killing for food, drinking contaminated water, living without electricity, money will be worthless, etc.

I think you'd be better off finding a tall mountain, bridge or ledge where you can end it if it becomes that bad.

Fact is, the stupid fools who love guns will make it worse for everyone, including themselves.

Not necessarily responding to the OP, but some of the comments above are not a lot different from what you'd expect from Trump or his white wing supporters.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:11 PM

46. Which DUers admire George Zimmerman? Can you provide usernames?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:18 PM

71. Check your Gungeoneer buddies. They don't allow me over there anymore.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:25 PM

38. As a first time gun owner

And with a nervous family I would recommend a 5 or 6 shot. Not automatic. It's better for control, loading etc. As a female I feel more comfortable with it. My 357 you have to really pull to get it to shoot. I don't think a small child could shoot it.
Automatics are for war or invasion or zombie apocalypse. ..just my opinion. Good luck with your purchase. Use a gun lock or gun safe as well.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:26 PM

39. Take a bunch of classes, be sure to practice, and enjoy!

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:27 PM

40. Don't play into the hands of your enemies

Stick to your values. The only thing to fear is fear itself and they want us to be afraid. His numbers are dropping judges and the IC will stand up to him. We need to keep pressure on him and politicians.Guns are not the answer.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:49 PM

41. Serious question:

What would you do with the gun, given the scenarios you've discussed in the OP?



Paint me a picture here, because I'm not seeing the connection.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:00 PM

42. Hobbe's war of all against all...not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent. You do you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellum_omnium_contra_omnes

Bellum omnium contra omnes

The Præfatio (Preface) of De Cive where the phrase bellum omnium contra omnes appears for the first time. Taken from the revised edition printed in 1647 at Amsterdam (apud L. Elzevirium).
Bellum omnium contra omnes, a Latin phrase meaning "the war of all against all", is the description that Thomas Hobbes gives to human existence in the state of nature thought experiment that he conducts in De Cive (1642) and Leviathan (1651). The common modern English usage is a war of "each against all" where war is rare and terms such as "competition" or "struggle" are more common.

--
As always, with this salve to fear, ask who pays, who profits, who decides.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:01 PM

43. May I recommend the CZ p-09 for HD use.

It's a simple 19+1 9mm SA/DA pistol with decocker.

Extra magazines are a little spendy at 40 bucks each, but you'll love how easy it is to be accurate with at the range. The whole family will love shooting it.

And being hammer fired you won't have to worry about "glock leg".


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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:02 PM

44. Spend time at a range and practice, practice, practice

Then practice some more. And do not assume someone else will clean your weapon. Oh, and always check your chamber.

Protecting your Pakistani neighbors calls for nonviolent resistance at this point. you'd end up getting a lot of people hurt if you try to make it a shooting match.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:03 PM

45. Yeah....we're not nearly at that point yet.

Don't get me wrong, it's right to be alarmed by everything going on. And if things take a sharper turn down the rabbit hole, then, yeah, I'll re-evaluate.

Not close to that point though.

And much change can, and has, been accomplished by peaceful civil disobedience. Both in this country and abroad. Try starting there first.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:12 PM

47. One of the people closest to me in this world did the same thing immediately after Bush was elected.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:42 PM

49. But ... Obama has a secret plan to take away all guns ... next month. . . nt

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:44 PM

50. Such mixed feelings

I hunt and have owned guns all my life. Bought my first deer rifle at 13 with paper route money.

But I fear you are making a mistake. Unless you plan on spending several days and several hundreds of dollars in ammo the week you purchase it then you put yourself in danger. You must take lessons and shoot, shoot and shoot to gain proficiency and become a safe gun owner.

And if it comes to the point of fighting the armed forces then we have lost all hope and should look to leave the country.

That said, when Trump finally goes down due to election loss or impeachment I can see his nuts becoming violent. I fear this Saturday in Florida is when he begins to organize his supporters into his personal brown shirts.



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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:44 PM

51. not me. trumpeters are so fucking stupid a gun isn't necessary.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:49 PM

52. Keep it in a safe and I would take a class on proper safety and handling.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:01 PM

55. Not the wisest course of

action. Nothing much can be accomplished except problems in your own family and the possibility of an accident. Resist, protest, build a bunker, move to Canada, but a gun won't help.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:01 PM

56. K&R nt

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:02 PM

57. I'm waitin' for the Trump Gummint to pass a law requirin' me to

to own a gun and sendin' me a voucher to buy one.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:02 PM

58. Pea shooter against a tank time.

Reality Check: If anyone gets taken out in that highly unlikely fight between you and the Feds -- news flash, it ain't gonna be the Feds. If my husband started to sound like you, I'd leave him.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:05 PM

59. You realize that if you draw a gun, you need to be

willing to kill at that second? But if you get a gun, take gun safety classes and target shooting taught by a NON NRA person.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:17 PM

68. Most instructors are NRA certified.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #68)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:22 PM

72. Here's one of the NRA Board Members that overseas those certified instructors.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #72)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:51 PM

85. offer

an alternative Hoyt. Your a smart man and know much about firearms. Teach them correctly.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #68)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:48 PM

83. Maybe I should have Witten NON NUT. There are decent NRA people. nt

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:07 PM

60. Doesn't do much except sit there in case of a home break-in

Even then, you're unlikely to have the guts to use it.

Signed, I have one and hopefully won't use it for anything but occasional practice.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #60)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:54 PM

86. If females are in the house, a home invasion becomes

more of an issue. But unless you have the drop on the invader, a gun is likely to get you killed. I would guess that most people that do home invasions are set to kill if they have to. People are better off using warning devices that turn on lights or make noises when someone is on the property, giving the home occupants warning.

Shooting it out with the Feds is a bad idea, regardless of whether they are Nazis or not, they are always considered in the right and well armed.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:09 PM

62. Personally, I'm going to build a moat around my house...

And stock it with sharks with frickin' lasers.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:11 PM

64. May I suggest a 16 gauge pump shotgun.

Load it with increasing lethal shells - the smallest shot to the largest, some even start off with rock salt. Aim for the body the first time you shoot -unless the attacker is very close to you, it is very unlikely you will kill them or even do any serious damage. Then, if they keep moving towards you, shoot again. Repeat as needed. Shotguns are great for those who can't aim worth a crap - just point in the general direction and fire. the noise is enough to scare some people, and you don't run the risk of a bullet going through a wall or traveling very far.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:17 PM

66. I hate to say this but you have already marked yourself.

This is 2017.

Don't use the internet.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:17 PM

67. Guns are never the answer....

resist, don't fall in line with the "John Wayne syndrome" meaning hero with a gun. Someone always loses with their lives. Peace out!

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:17 PM

69. Glock 19 and Mossberg 500

Find a respectable range and practice a lot. Ask lots of questions, once you get those on the right in their comfort zone you'll find out you have more in common with them than you thought.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:22 PM

73. I understand wanting a gun.

It will not protect you from the government but it will protect you from his minions who decide they do not like you for one reason or another and attack you and your home. I only ask that you get both you and your wife lessons on how to handle a gun and even if you already know take classes because when it comes to guns you can always be better at handling it no matter how good you already are. When laws that are taking our legal protection away are going in place all we are left with is being able to physically protect ourselves.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:28 PM

75. I don't have any guns

But they're in my house since I remarried. I always happen to live with someone who has guns. After my late husband died, I removed all his guns from the house. Unfortunately my current husband has guns though I haven't seen any and he seems to be allot more into gun safety.

But I'd prefer to live without them.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:28 PM

76. It's harder to make good decisions when you are feeling fear.

It seems to me if your wife does not want a gun in the home, you are giving in to the bad guys. They want people to be afraid.
I personally will never own a gun because I can get angry sometimes and I don't want to do something I would regret in a stupid moment.
And if you do, don't let it change the way you think. I think some people with guns (NOT ALL) see it as a solution to a problem. It can be a way to feed yourself, or for protection against zombies. But 99.999% of problems someone used a gun on could have had another solution.

"You can't talk to a man, with a shot gun in his hand" - Carole King "Smackwater Jack"

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:34 PM

78. Hope you recover that optimism you showed the other day.

See post #19.

Welcome to DU!

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:34 PM

79. Are you prepared to die a violent death?

I don't ask in a threatening manner. I simply mean that you need to be honest with yourself about your intentions for arming up. If you are willing to die alone for what you believe in, then it makes sense to take up arms against the government.

In the end, this seems about as rational as the right's fear of gun confiscation during a D administration.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:35 PM

80. Somebody has to say it

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:50 PM

84. Thanks, I needed that!



I have two shotguns that I've kept by my front door for years. Dust them occasionally. I just feel better knowing they are there. Besides, one belonged to my dad, and is quite old.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:39 PM

81. I bought my first self defense handgun in 1980

it was a S&W model 19 Combat magnum. Paid $235 for it new. Only used it for target practice and a few hunting trips. I sold it last year for $700.00. It wasn't that useful but it was a good investment. Being older and I hope a little wiser I only see trouble in buying a weapon for self defense or fighting fascists. Just remember, the police and military will be on the side of the fascists because the fascists make the laws and control the military. It will be a losing battle. I was brought up around guns so It wasn't a big deal to me but for you and your wife it may be a step in the wrong direction.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:45 PM

82. Can't say as I blame you.

I've been an advocate of stringent gun controls for years---but I've never advocated the banning of guns. I've owned and used firearms for six decades; I've got a collection of guns, and I'm glad of it---given how rapidly things seem to be unraveling in this country. We now have the exact circumstances for which our pro-gun acquaintances have said the Second Amendment was put in place.

Get some training (don't discuss your politics or reason for having a new gun), get a good-sized collection of ammo and cleaning gear, and find a secure hiding place for your acquisition. Best of luck.

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Response to agenasolva (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:56 PM

87. locking

sorry, no gun threads in GD. go to the guns group http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

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