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deminks

(11,014 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:17 PM Feb 2017

A Big Shoe Just Dropped

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-shoe-just-dropped

I don't know how much attention it's received. But the appearance of the name of Felix Sater in this new article in the Times is one of the biggest shoes I've seen drop on the Trump story in some time.

The new story explains that a group of Trump operatives, including top lawyer Michael Cohen and fired former campaign manager Paul Manafort, along with a pro-Putin Ukrainian parliamentarian named Andrii V. Artemenko and Mr. Sater are pushing President Trump on a 'peace plan' for Russia and Ukraine.

Cohen recently met with Sater and Artemenko; and Cohen agreed to personally deliver the peace plan (actually a sealed envelope with documents detailing it) to the President when he met with him at the White House. Cohen says he left it with General Flynn days before Flynn was forced to resign

(snip)

Having spent some time studying the matter, the biggest red flags about Donald Trump's ties to Russia and businessmen around Vladimir Putin have always been tied to the Trump SoHo building project in Lower Manhattan, from the first decade of this century. I base my knowledge of this on this rather cursory but still quite good April 2016 article from the Times and my own limited snooping around the Outer Boroughs Russian and Ukrainian emigre press. (I summarized the most salient details of the earlier Times article in Item #3 of this post.) This was a key project, perhaps the key project in the post-bankruptcy era in which Trump appeared heavily reliant on Russian funds to finance his projects. Sater was at the center of that project. The details only came to light after the project got bogged down in a complicated series of lawsuits.

After the lawyers got involved, Trump said he barely knew who Sater was. But there is voluminous evidence that Sater, a Russian emigrant, was key to channeling Russian capital to Trump for years. Sater is also a multiple felon and at least a one-time FBI informant. Bayrock Capital, where he worked was located in Trump Tower and he himself worked as a special advisor to Trump. Again, read the Times article to get a flavor of his ties to Trump, the Trump SoHo project and Russia. For my money there's no better place to start to understand the Trump/Russia issue. (end snip)

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A Big Shoe Just Dropped (Original Post) deminks Feb 2017 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author WheelWalker Feb 2017 #1
This is the article being referenced BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #2
Interesting that Rick Perry murielm99 Feb 2017 #5
I figured BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #6
Wow. Looks like Russian is setting up TWO puppet governments... Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #13
Ukraine had a Putin puppet for a while... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #15
I think Putin really wanted Ukraine BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #17
Yes!! My heart's going thumpity THUMP! ALWAYS the $$$$ nt. PearliePoo2 Feb 2017 #3
He's going to go down in flames soon, this is the dots joining together with a nice little red bow. sunonmars Feb 2017 #4
well, sooner or later. ginnyinWI Feb 2017 #21
this seems far more blatant AND, of course, far earlier... tomp Feb 2017 #43
no internet back then. news spreads way faster now. triron Feb 2017 #45
better sooner before he's more entrenched MrPurple Feb 2017 #53
KNR Lucinda Feb 2017 #7
Part of the whole mcar Feb 2017 #8
republican draft dodger Comrade Casino's corrupt complications Achilleaze Feb 2017 #9
Tic-Toc sheshe2 Feb 2017 #10
The Con with Tevfik Arif, center, and executive Felix Sater KewlKat Feb 2017 #11
Top photo, they look like mobsters. Yep. See riversedge post below. LuckyLib Feb 2017 #46
This (!), and the Senate Intelligence Committee after Hortensis Feb 2017 #12
When the tipping point is reached, even Republicons won't be able to impeach him fast enough. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #18
Well, I thought that when Donnie won the primary. Hortensis Feb 2017 #20
If there is complicity,Ryan &Turtleman, will block impeachment Alice11111 Feb 2017 #54
If they can also nail Pence, why wouldn't Ryan want to make himself President? JTFrog Feb 2017 #59
Really. The intrigue will be historical. Ryan doesn't want Alice11111 Feb 2017 #61
Follow the money... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #14
Show us the tax returns. tRump says he has nothing to hide & auditing is NOT an excuse. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #16
Laura Rozen's Twitter feed has been on fire today - very interesting stuff salin Feb 2017 #19
Interesting that Bill Kristol even appeared in there. BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #23
my read is that she is a centrist (slight left lean) foreign policy writer salin Feb 2017 #49
Was his work in the NY office of the FBI? nt wiggs Feb 2017 #22
Hmmmm WomanWhoRoars Feb 2017 #24
I think there are multiple plot lines in this story. This is just one plot line. Amaryllis Feb 2017 #44
k and r... It is the connection between Sater, Cohen and Trump that are the key.. Stuart G Feb 2017 #25
"Ohhhh, THAT Sater. I thought you said James Spater, ya know - the actor guy." Ligyron Feb 2017 #32
Oh...the spelling /typing police got me again...change made...sorry for error...nt Stuart G Feb 2017 #34
The "Spater" would be (James) "Spader" the actor BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #68
ooooops, yes!! Ligyron Feb 2017 #69
Yeah he's been in a lot of stuff BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #70
Right, and then they made a series out of it I think he was in Ligyron Feb 2017 #71
Yup. BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #72
Sure was. Seemed to type-cast him for awhile too... Ligyron Feb 2017 #73
I'll leave this link here for those who haven't seen it. At first seemed far-fetched, but wiggs Feb 2017 #26
David Frum tweet--- Dots. Connected. riversedge Feb 2017 #27
Dear God WomanWhoRoars Feb 2017 #28
Bill Moyers research from 6 months ago...more Sater stuff wiggs Feb 2017 #29
+1 dalton99a Feb 2017 #36
+1. Thanks for posting. Tatiana Feb 2017 #65
Whirrr RowdieTurtle Feb 2017 #30
Felix Sater underpants Feb 2017 #31
there's a guy on twitter --Adam Khan-- who's been pushing this for a while Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #33
And this former NSA guy is onto the Trump/Sater/Mafia connection. Snarkoleptic Feb 2017 #50
Ostriches at the FReak site Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #35
BOOKMARK! I shall revisit as it "elevates" to the MSM... annabanana Feb 2017 #37
The drip is turning into a stream. ananda Feb 2017 #38
Crickets at FoxNews, DrudgeReport, Conservative Angle, & ConservativeTreeHouse. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #39
A Personal lawyer being a courier for secret information in the government. DK504 Feb 2017 #40
That's how the mafia does it. N/t Horse with no Name Feb 2017 #51
Another layer flamingdem Feb 2017 #41
kick for exposure... Stuart G Feb 2017 #42
tons more Sater /Trump stuff at link wiggs Feb 2017 #47
So Sater is going to blow the whistle? flamingdem Feb 2017 #64
If they give him immunity BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #67
kick again,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2017 #48
"Says who"... czarjak Feb 2017 #52
kick for visibility triron Feb 2017 #55
wow...just wow....and holy crap n/t blitzen Feb 2017 #56
kick again triron Feb 2017 #57
Didn't junior say they had money pouring in from Russia? nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #58
kick again triron Feb 2017 #60
knr triron Feb 2017 #62
The kkk gate mshasta Feb 2017 #63
The Deplorables Don't Care Sebasdad22 Feb 2017 #66
The wagon circle keeps getting tighter and it seems like...... nolabels Feb 2017 #74
melbourne trials? bora13 Feb 2017 #75
knr triron Feb 2017 #76

Response to deminks (Original post)

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
5. Interesting that Rick Perry
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:32 PM
Feb 2017

was included in the picture accompanying the article.

This could get complicated. Watergate had a lot of players, too. We had to learn how to keep them straight.

BumRushDaShow

(128,824 posts)
6. I figured
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:37 PM
Feb 2017

they just picked a photo that had both Flynn and Cohen in it and Perry happened to be there too. I can't imagine Perry being in any inner circle with Bannon and the rest of that odious crew.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Wow. Looks like Russian is setting up TWO puppet governments...
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:52 PM
Feb 2017

He has set one up in the U.S.? Now, he wants to set up Artemenko in the Ukraine as a puppet President.

Artemenko has no authority, it seems, to be presenting any sort of plan re Ukraine. He is not an elected official or representative of Ukraine. He's an interloper. Is this a coup in the making?

This is complicated. All the players and complex connections that go back years.

Wounded Bear

(58,642 posts)
15. Ukraine had a Putin puppet for a while...
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:58 PM
Feb 2017

they managed to oust him via election a few years ago. That's when Manafort had to leave Kiev for nicer climes.

BumRushDaShow

(128,824 posts)
17. I think Putin really wanted Ukraine
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:05 PM
Feb 2017

(for port purposes too) and the puppet here sortof fell into his lap allowing him to make the move now and go for the (assumed) win-win.

I am thinking the seeds were planted in 2007 and the final countdown towards the coup here started in 2013 -

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/trump-ties-with-russia/

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
43. this seems far more blatant AND, of course, far earlier...
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:56 PM
Feb 2017

...than anything Nixonian (although Nixon had that pre-1968 Viet Nam thing).

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
9. republican draft dodger Comrade Casino's corrupt complications
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:44 PM
Feb 2017

what a massive mountain of tax-dodging corruption & russian sellout the republicans have shoved up America's keister with their canonization of the draft-dodging, genital-grabbing & hate-spewing Comrade Casino.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
11. The Con with Tevfik Arif, center, and executive Felix Sater
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:46 PM
Feb 2017

attend the Trump Soho launch party on Sept. 19, 2007, in New York.

Sater is the man the Con said he wouldn't recognize him if he saw him......




Another photo -
PHOTO: Donald Trump exits the Budweiser Events Center after talking at the Bixpo 2005 convention in Loveland, Colo., Sept. 14, 2005. Felix Sater appears in the red tie on Trumps left.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. This (!), and the Senate Intelligence Committee after
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:47 PM
Feb 2017

meeting with FBI Director Comey officially asked more than a dozen agencies to save all materials of their investigations into the Russian stuff. Seems like that would be SOP from the very beginning for any honest and honorable investigations, but in any case something's apparently made this about-face (ass covering) seem necessary now.

Sater likely has nothing to do with it himself, but there is also the question of who something like 19%(?) interest in a Russian state-owned oil company was transferred to. The story is that it was to be payola to someone/some people for getting U.S. sanctions against Russia dropped. It would presumably be worth many billions once our sanctions ended and Russian oil production revved up.

That said, we shouldn't get too excited about imagining 45 will be succeeded by 46 any time soon. After all, Watergate took 2 years to resignation when most people believed Nixon was involved right from the beginning, including the conservatives who reelected him.

Democrats seek to quell Trump impeachment talk, Party leaders caution against rushing into a political trap.
Democratic officials in Republican-dominated Washington view the entire subject as a trap, a premature discussion that could backfire in spectacular fashion by making the party appear too overzealous in its opposition to Trump. Worse, they fear, it could harden Republican support for the president by handing his party significant fundraising and political ammunition when the chances of success for an early impeachment push are remote, at best.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
18. When the tipping point is reached, even Republicons won't be able to impeach him fast enough.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:09 PM
Feb 2017

If there is complicity with Ryan and McCONnell and Prince Rebus in his position as head of the Republican National Committee during the election, ... then I'm not sure anything can save the Republicon brand for a decade. Maybe six or seven years anyway.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Well, I thought that when Donnie won the primary.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:14 PM
Feb 2017

Let's not underestimate these hyperpartisans, who've rushed to stomp all lines and principles in the mud in their determination to oppose Democrats.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
54. If there is complicity,Ryan &Turtleman, will block impeachment
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:59 PM
Feb 2017

until their death. Otherwise, prison, shame to families. They will die fighting it.
If they have managed to distance themselves from what they must know, then they will dump him at the right time.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
59. If they can also nail Pence, why wouldn't Ryan want to make himself President?
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 12:33 AM
Feb 2017

Seems like the way McConnell and Ryan would want this to end up.

There are so many crazy ways this whole ordeal can go. I cannot believe we are even in this situation to begin with.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
61. Really. The intrigue will be historical. Ryan doesn't want
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:00 AM
Feb 2017

the taint of being DTs VP. Too risky. Same reason DT can't get others to come on board. Its harder with each passing day if idiocy...his press conference, Russia scandal....

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
16. Show us the tax returns. tRump says he has nothing to hide & auditing is NOT an excuse.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:05 PM
Feb 2017

You have nothing to hide, right, Mr. Minority President?

salin

(48,955 posts)
49. my read is that she is a centrist (slight left lean) foreign policy writer
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:28 PM
Feb 2017

She used to have a very informative blog in the early years of the Iraq War (2002+). Very thoughtful and thorough. Haven't followed here on twitter until recently. She looks at writing across the spectrum (thus including Kristol) to try to capture (and critique) multiple narratives.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
25. k and r... It is the connection between Sater, Cohen and Trump that are the key..
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:38 PM
Feb 2017

Trump claims he hardly knew Slater..but the entire article proves that Trump and Slater worked together closely on financing of some of his real estate deals in the early part of this century. So the Trump story that he hardly knew Slater is a total lie. And if Slater delivered the plans to Cohen, and if Slater got them from the Russians, then everything would be proven to be a lie..that is if they can prove this...so..we will see tomorrow and the day after ...

BumRushDaShow

(128,824 posts)
70. Yeah he's been in a lot of stuff
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:16 AM
Feb 2017

I think one of the first things I noticed him in (and paid attention to) was Stargate.

Ligyron

(7,624 posts)
71. Right, and then they made a series out of it I think he was in
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:21 AM
Feb 2017

Sex, Lies and Video Tape, was when I first remember seeing him, where he played a Voyeur type to a sexual trio.

wiggs

(7,811 posts)
26. I'll leave this link here for those who haven't seen it. At first seemed far-fetched, but
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:47 PM
Feb 2017

getting more plausible each news cycle.

FBI (NY), Manafort, NYPD, Trump lawyer Cohen, Sessions, etc...all complicit. Any time new names or facts come up about Trump/Russia, I go back and re-read.

https://patribotics.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/dear-mr-putin-lets-play-chess-louise-mensch-trump-russia/

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
27. David Frum tweet--- Dots. Connected.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:59 PM
Feb 2017




David Frum ?@davidfrum 2h2 hours ago

David Frum Retweeted Josh Marshall

Dots. Connected.

David Frum added,








Capt. Thomas Braydee ?@GeeBee70 2h2 hours ago

@davidfrum David, don't let anyone minimize the importance of Felix Sater & Cohen in this. Sater is linked to Semon Moglievich - RUS Mafia.
1 reply 11 retweets 25 likes
Cherl cherl sands ?@CherlSands 57m57 minutes ago

@GeeBee70 @karolcummins @davidfrum






0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes

Jskorn ?@Jskorn 2h2 hours ago

.@davidfrum Bannon is allegedly moving everything to paperless. Is that legal? The question begs to be asked what are they hiding?

0 replies 5 retweets 10 likes




Joseph Garner ?@braveviking 2h2 hours ago

@davidfrum too few will read and understand this. Much less the ones who need too. Great reporting though
!
0 replies 0 retweets 7 likes




ddd ?@ddd_deborah 2h2 hours ago

@davidfrum with DT its always about the $

wiggs

(7,811 posts)
29. Bill Moyers research from 6 months ago...more Sater stuff
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:08 PM
Feb 2017

the FBI (infamous NY office?) helped Sater avoid jail time for convictions

Sater was said to be a witness in mob-related and national security matters

Sater is Russia-born

From another article it's reported that Sater's office in Trump Tower is on the same floor as Trump's office

during the primaries, Ted Cruz was trying to help the Slater / Mob story get legs but couldn't

http://billmoyers.com/story/donald-trump-story-youre-not-hearing/

 

RowdieTurtle

(37 posts)
30. Whirrr
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:15 PM
Feb 2017

Bet those shredders are running hot already over at the WH. I can picture Bannon and Priebus, sweating, hair awry, fists full of documents and screaming for Kelly Ann to come help.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
33. there's a guy on twitter --Adam Khan-- who's been pushing this for a while
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:20 PM
Feb 2017

the whole idea of Trump being ind debt to the Russian mafia etc

Sater mentioned many times by him


Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
50. And this former NSA guy is onto the Trump/Sater/Mafia connection.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:57 PM
Feb 2017
"Sater's dad is a top underboss 4 Semyon Mogilevich, the world's leading mafia don. Just another Trump coincidence."




Plus this video of Trump doing the bob and weave about his relationship with Sater. (at 1:10, he flees an interview)



Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
35. Ostriches at the FReak site
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:25 PM
Feb 2017

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Long-hidden Winston Churchill essay on aliens surfaces
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Who the hell is this McCain person ...
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Armed Robber Shot by Victim's Neighbor, Police Say
2017-02-19, 7:52:50 PM · by nickcarraway · 11 replies

Little boy born without a brain can now speak, count, and attend schoo
....

DK504

(3,847 posts)
40. A Personal lawyer being a courier for secret information in the government.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:53 PM
Feb 2017

"Cohen agreed to personally deliver the peace plan (actually a sealed envelope with documents detailing it) to the President when he met with him at the White House. Cohen says he left it with General Flynn days before Flynn was forced to resign ...."

Does this asshole have even have clearance? Since a 1/2 dozen of these flunkies couldn't get clearance, how did a personal lawyer get approval to walk around with government info.?????

wiggs

(7,811 posts)
47. tons more Sater /Trump stuff at link
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:21 PM
Feb 2017

including interesting info like

Felix's father was a Russian mobster in US

Loretta Lynch cultivated him as an FBI / CIA informant

His areas of interest include nuclear materials and missiles

TONS OF FINANCIAL CONNECTIONS WITH RUSSIANS...the amount of money is unbelievable

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/19/the-curious-world-of-donald-trumps-private-russian-connections/

BumRushDaShow

(128,824 posts)
67. If they give him immunity
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:52 AM
Feb 2017

and also put him in witness protection (considering they used him as an informant), he might.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
74. The wagon circle keeps getting tighter and it seems like......
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 12:46 PM
Feb 2017

there is incoming from the right, middle and left.

If the front and rear start in with it, then above and below are sure to follow

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