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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 11:27 AM Feb 2017

First hand account of PEEOTUS rally in Florida - from a minister

What I am about to write and what you are about to read may make some people very uncomfortable, if not angry.

That is not my intention nor is it okay with me to cause anyone to stumble. That being said, what I experienced tonight was so dramatic that I cannot help but reflect on it and share what I experienced.

A few days ago, people across the United States heard the news that our newly elected President would be visiting Melbourne, Florida – our hometown. It is no surprise to many that I do not support many of the objectives and "campaignisms" of Donald Trump. I know many people who voted for him - friends, family, church people who all voted for their own reasons. The point of this experience is not to relay all of the reasons why I think he should not be the president. Those points are moot – he IS our President.

Now, I am enough of a sentimentalist that when I found out THEEEE President was coming to town, I got online quickly and reserved two tickets.

The tickets were being given away by the Trump-Pence campaign; I found it odd that the tickets indicated that this was not a government/White House event & that this was a campaign event. I have, of course, posted a joking post about that earlier. What I discovered was that by hosting this as a campaign event, Mr. Trump could determine who was and was not allowed in the venue. If he came on an official visit, they could not prohibit anyone from entering and he couldn't sell his campaign merchandise.

So, in essence, he was only allowing his supporters in the room. Well, with a few exceptions…

I talked my 11-year-old daughter into coming with me. After all, how many times do you get to see the President of the United States in person – let alone in your hometown? I was eager for her to have this experience. It has to be a pretty cool thing, as a kid to see Air Force One, the President and the First Lady.

The event started at 5 PM; we got in line at the venue shortly after 2 PM and the line was already pretty long. There are several mini stories to be told about that experience but don't need to be told for this post. Suffice it to say, it is always an intriguing sociological experience to be surrounded by people in line for something for which they are fanatics - whether it is for a movie premier, a live concert, the release of the latest beanie baby or Cabbage Patch kid. Fanatic people are fascinating to me.

While I am not a fan of Trump, I certainly did not want to come across as a vigilante protester while standing amongst some of his most adoring fans. I truly wanted to see if what I was going to witness in person was any different than what I had observed on TV.

The entry into the event was very impressive. I have always admired the professional posturing of the Secret Service, including those from our own local law-enforcement who were on duty serving in this capacity. These are women and men who should be highly commended for placing their lives on the line.

We entered the venue at 3 PM, two hours before the event started. As we entered, everyone was being handed pom-poms and Trump campaign signs. The hosts made sure everyone had a sign in their hand. Someone shoved one into my hand and gave pom-poms to my daughter.

I felt like a sheep in wolves clothing.

Music was playing loudly throughout the venue as it filled up with hundreds of people. I would guess there were eventually at least 3000 people in the room. It was nowhere near full, but there certainly were a lot of people there. From my view, the crowd was 99.9% white folk. I did see a row of about 10-12 supporters who were black, wearing T-shirts that said, "Trump and Republicans are not racist" - they were positioned in the seating area directly behind the podium.

We were about three rows of people from the very front and had a very good position to view the President and the platform. As people were coming in, there was a lot of excitement and a strong sense of patriotism. Approximately every 15 minutes, the music would be a little more enthusiastic and party-like. I posted my play-by-play feedback of "God bless the USA!" in an earlier post...it was almost church-like. People sang along, raising their hands and were emotionally moved by this anthem. It was intriguing to watch.

People were being ushered into a deeply religious experience...and it made me completely uncomfortable.

I love my country; I honor those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom and I respect our history and what we stand for, but what I experienced in that moment sent shivers down my spine. I felt like people were here to worship an ideology along with the man who was leading it. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't the song per se – it was this inexplicable movement that was happening in the room. It was a religious zeal.

You might liken it to the experience fans would have after their favorite team won the Super Bowl – faces painted, banners flying, confetti in the air and celebrating.

But this – this was deeper.

A couple of local politicians got up to bring greetings followed by state representative, followed by one of our Congress representatives. A soloist sang, "God bless America" and there was a strong sense of patriotism in the room. A pastor got up to pray and repeatedly prayed throughout his prayer, "Thank you for making this the greatest nation on earth…in Jesus' name."

Uh-uh. No. No way, josé.

Pastor, this is not the greatest nation on earth. The greatest nation on earth does not exist. Are we a great nation? Definitely. But there are many other great nations as well. Pastor, you have your eyes on a different kind of "greatness" and certainly a different kind of kingdom. Shame on you for praying those words in Jesus' name!

Suddenly, the music changed from the pep rally theme to something that seemed more Star Wars themed. The crowd went crazy and turned towards the opening of the airplane hangar that was the venue, just as Air Force One pulled up.

What a magnificent sight! That enormous airliner is absolutely breathtaking. The crowd was going wild; signs waving in the air, people cheering, and every cell phone was positioned to take photos and video. As the First Lady and the President emerged at the top of the stairs, the air was electric! It really is a magnificent image to see in person!

As they entered the venue and walked to the platform, there was terrific celebration. I have been in the room when other Presidents were in a similar mode – it is always such a meaningful experience to be that close to them, regardless of whether or not you view them with adoration. Theeeee President of the USA!

The First Lady approached the platform and in her rich accent, began to recite the Lord's prayer.

I can't explain it, but I felt sick. This wasn't a prayer beseeching the presence of Almighty God, it felt theatrical and manipulative.

People across the room were reciting it as if it were a pep squad cheer. At the close of the prayer, the room erupted in cheering. It was so uncomfortable. I observed that Mr. Trump did not recite the prayer until the very last line, "be the glory forever and ever, amen!" As he raised his hands in the air, evoking a cheer from the crowd, "USA! USA! USA!"

Just as the President begin to speak, a short grandmotherly lady in front of us asked me if I would help hold her walker – the kind that has a seat built into it. She said, "I need to climb up on it and hold something up." Such an odd request at such an odd place at such an odd time. So, I helped her.

She held a pillowcase that had something written on the front of it, words I could not see. She climbed up onto the seat, wobbly-legged and held the sign up above her head. People in front of her turned around and started jeering and yelling at her. After holding her sign up for about 10 seconds, she climbed back down and thanked me. I asked her what her sign said – it read, "You had your chance, now resign!"

The very first words out of the President's mouth were the words of a bully. That is not simply one person's perspective, it is factual. He immediately began badgering and criticizing the media; like a bully inciting a crowd.

Now, do I think the media needs to be held to a high standard and be able to be held accountable? Absolutely! The media as a whole has become sadly non-journalistic and more entertainment, in my opinion.

Call it what you will, but I was completely dumbfounded as the most powerful leader in the world began his speech by badgering the media. The crowd began screaming angrily at the entire press corps that was present.

He could have said something inspiring and worthy of a Tweet or Facebook post, instead he emerged as an overly powerful bully. Literally, everything that he began speaking about evoked this angry response from the crowd. Immediately following the words of prayer that Jesus taught his followers…

It was then that I heard two ladies off to my left chanting, not yelling or screaming but chanting, "T-R....U-M-P; that's how you spell - bigotry!" They repeated the rhyme over and over.

Two ladies in front of them began seething and screaming in their face while shaking their Trump signs at them. Another couple standing behind them started screaming at them as well. One of the chanting ladies had her eight-year-old daughter on her back; the other had a severely disabled child in a wheelchair in front of her. As they continued chanting, the people around them became violently enraged. One angry man grabbed the lady's arm - that's when I went into action. I barged through the crowd and yelled at them to back off. My heart wasn't racing; I just instinctively became a protector.

I didn't actually want a Trump sign, but one of the volunteers had shoved it into my hands as I walked through the door earlier; "Make America Great Again!" That sign probably saved someone from getting hurt. I held the sign close to my chest as I positioned myself between the chanting protesters and the angry mob. My 11-year-old daughter was clinging to my arm, sobbing in fear.

The two angry, screaming ladies looked at me, both of them raised their middle finger at me in my face and repeatedly yelled, "F*#% YOU!" Repeatedly.

I calmly responded, "No thank you, I'm happily married." Their faces and their voices were filled with demonic anger.

I have been in places and experiences before where demonic activity was palpable. The power of the Holy Spirit of God was protecting me in those moments and was once again protecting me and my daughter in this moment.

I raised my voice and calmly said, "These ladies have the right to do what they are doing and they are harming no one; this is America and they a right to express themselves in this way. They are harming no one." A couple of other people around me stepped in and supported me in protecting them as a barrier, as well.

My daughter was shaking in fear as she clung to me. The one man behind the protesters shoved himself forward, grabbed the lady by the arm and screamed with multiple expletives, "I'm going to take you out! This is my president and nobody has the right to disrespect him and nobody has the right to keep me from hearing him!"

I wish I could have captured the expressions of that man on camera. I will never forget him.

The little girl on her mother's back was crying, completely frightened. I leaned forward and reassured her in her ear, "Your mommy is being brave and we will not let these people hurt you. You are afraid because these are angry, awful people. We will not let them hurt you or your mommy. You are being so brave and your mommy is doing something very brave."

That's when another lady screamed in my face that what I was doing was un-American. I just chuckled and responded, "What I am doing is completely American – I'm standing up for people who are being bullied – it doesn't matter if I agree with them or not. You came here to see the President, now ignore these ladies, turn around and enjoy the show." Without explanation, they calm down and turned around to hear what Trump had to say.

The two protesters then moved towards the back and left the building. I got a couple of high-fives and "thanks for stepping up for them" from bystanders . I wanted to say, "Thanks. Where were you when the the demons were screaming and fists were getting ready to start swinging?"

Once again, the environment reminded me of some church experiences I've had. Bystanders.

I have no clue what Trump was saying at that point – draining the swamp, vetting refugees, and other things. Oh yeah, I heard people chanting, "Build that wall, build that wall!"

I realized then that we were not listening to someone presidential, we were listening to someone terribly powerful.

My kid was shaken - she had just seen some of the worst of humanity. We edged ourselves away from the front of the room to the opening of the hangar so we could get a clearer picture of Air Force One. I wanted to give her at least one positive presidential memory.

The crowd was much thinner at the back of the room, people were leaving by the hundreds. Outside, there were two jumbotrons set up for a potential overflow – there really wasn't a need for them. There were maybe a couple of hundred people outside watching on the big screens.

Not too far behind that group was a large group of protesters.

Inside, Trump had rallied the group by giving a little bit of attention to the "paid protesters outside." Now, I can't speak for all of them, but I asked a few where they were from and why they were there - every single one of them were from different cities in Florida and could quickly articulate why they were there. They were not paid protesters – not the ones I spoke with.

I'm trying to separate how I actually feel about this man and his campaignisms. I know why people voted for him; I know why people voted against his opponent. But, at the end of the day, what I felt from his leadership in this experience was actually horrifying. There was palpable fear in the room. There was thick anger and vengeance. He was counting on it. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that it would not have taken very much for him to have called this group of people into some kind of riotous reaction.

Now, not everyone in the room was a part of the angry mob mentality – I looked around the room and saw many people who could quite easily be folks from my neighborhood, folks from my church, folks who were planning to go grab a bite to eat at Cracker Barrel afterwards. Folks who truly wanted to see America "great." The people who support the Republican Party want to see some needed changes in the government – the people that were there for that reason, are by and large good folks. But those are not the people the President was inciting – they are not the people he was leading. He was rallying the angry, vigilant ones.

As we began to leave, I knew my daughter could not possibly care less about Air Force One or the fact that she saw the President of the United States and his wife, in the flesh. I truly had hoped that she could have had that sentimental experience.

What she WILL remember is the angry, violent man screaming demonic vitriol at a child and her mother. She will remember the two ladies screaming at her Dad, her pastor – flipping the middle finger and using the F word repeatedly.

Now, I know there are people who are convinced that I am jaded and cannot fairly give this man a fair chance. Perhaps that's true. But please remember, especially those of you who know me well, I am a student of culture and human behavior. I am not a stubborn, close minded individual who likes to stick to the status quo. I know there are people who long for me to see the good things about this President and to talk about THOSE things. I know there are people who want me to realize that not everything he is doing is bad and that every President has their strengths and weaknesses and…

I know there are people who, when they see these words and hear my thoughts will feel badly because perhaps they can't like me as much as they once did because they don't agree with me. They want me to like the President that they like – they want me to see him the way they see him.

I'm sorry. I cannot. You see, the angry, F-word-spewing man is what has been depended on throughout this campaign and is the one who is still being counted on to sustain the message. I tried.

As we left the room, these words were echoing in my mind, "Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done..."

At the end of the day, I'm a citizen of a nation - I have a leader who God is very aware and who has tremendous responsibilities. I MUST and will pray for him. I'm a citizen of this world and I must continue to see beyond my own limited world view to seek ways to obediently serve Christ. But greater still, I am a citizen of a different kind of Kingdom - the Kingdom that strives for peace, mercy, kindness and a love-relationship with the King of kings.

May God have mercy on me.


https://www.facebook.com/joel.tooley/posts/10155350764828888
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First hand account of PEEOTUS rally in Florida - from a minister (Original Post) ehrnst Feb 2017 OP
Wow. Leaves me almost speechless. ElementaryPenguin Feb 2017 #1
A beautiful journal vlyons Feb 2017 #2
It's not my experience - it was on FB. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #5
Exactly. It is how Jim Jones got over 900 people to committe suicide. It's like mass Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #59
K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #3
What an interesting insider perspective. 3catwoman3 Feb 2017 #4
You just proved the point Poplife Feb 2017 #9
I Thought The Same Thing SDJay Feb 2017 #17
Agree! mountain grammy Feb 2017 #24
Welcome to DU, Poplife. calimary Feb 2017 #30
Yep. These People Are Giddy SDJay Feb 2017 #36
"What she WILL remember... 3catwoman3 Feb 2017 #41
It was perfectly appropriate for him to take his 11-year-old daughter. musette_sf Feb 2017 #42
He won't suggest it again and I think she'd probably lock herself Warpy Feb 2017 #55
Scary stuff NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #6
The post was set to "Public" and it was not copywrighted ehrnst Feb 2017 #15
Thanks NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #25
Not to make a negative comment about FB or your participation erronis Feb 2017 #54
Because he's a regular person and a pastor, probably not journalism savvy. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #56
demonic anger blueseas Feb 2017 #7
If it was Obama giving the speech NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #27
Yes that is true they put their evil on our side. blueseas Feb 2017 #40
What a powerful and honest message. nolabear Feb 2017 #8
What's so weird is that some of these rabid supporters Binders Keepers Feb 2017 #10
wow gopiscrap Feb 2017 #11
Republicanisim is like a religion. hollowdweller Feb 2017 #12
truth heaven05 Feb 2017 #13
Absolutely agree Butterflylady Feb 2017 #37
Great post. dalton99a Feb 2017 #14
Sinclair Lewis said it 80 years ago Newcanuck Feb 2017 #16
Prophetic Scarsdale Feb 2017 #22
Welcome to DU, Newcanuck. calimary Feb 2017 #33
Wow--that's just powerful ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #18
I just did, on mine. calimary Feb 2017 #35
Horrified and speechless... truly terrifying NotThisTime Feb 2017 #19
Yeah, that "Holy Spirit" thing? Ligyron Feb 2017 #20
Exactly. Scarsdale Feb 2017 #23
One of my favorite parts: frogmarch Feb 2017 #21
I loved that too! mountain grammy Feb 2017 #26
These are everyday heroes. demmiblue Feb 2017 #38
horrifying, but sadly not surprising.The whole trump thing seems like a sick cult - twisted religion NRaleighLiberal Feb 2017 #28
Republicons & esp tRump only have fear & anger to sell. Pure emotion. Bullying & Authtorianism Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #29
Ok, followed your link to the definition, but... JHB Feb 2017 #50
Ah, a Double Acronym! . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #52
That rally sounds like Nuremburg in the 1930's Martin Eden Feb 2017 #31
That's what I was thinking. FuzzyRabbit Feb 2017 #46
the same people barbtries Feb 2017 #32
K&R demmiblue Feb 2017 #34
As long as religion requires people to engage in delusional thinking, they will be left vulnerable lindysalsagal Feb 2017 #39
If you want to create a progressive for life Friend or Foe Feb 2017 #43
Not my president Plucketeer Feb 2017 #44
I am not at all surprised. DarleenMB Feb 2017 #45
They're not supporters. BlueStater Feb 2017 #47
The followers have drank the purple kool-aid.God/Allah/Jehovah/name your spiritual being HELP US ALL iluvtennis Feb 2017 #48
Damn. bravenak Feb 2017 #49
Racism , hatred and fear is the backbone o f trump supporters. kacekwl Feb 2017 #51
And that's how Trump is turning part of America into an angry white mob MrScorpio Feb 2017 #53
Wonderful posting! Great, great description of what you went through. Great job! Akamai Feb 2017 #57
This is another Christian Holy War! The radical Christian terrorists! Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #58
Thank you, Joel Tooley. joshdawg Feb 2017 #60

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. A beautiful journal
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 11:53 AM
Feb 2017

Thank you for sharing. I was struck by your impression that he event was a high spiritual experience for some. That is exactly how cult leaders manipulate groups of people. Be it high mass or a rock concert or a political rally.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
4. What an interesting insider perspective.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 12:04 PM
Feb 2017

I will say, though, that taking his young daughter was ill-considered.

Poplife

(1 post)
9. You just proved the point
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 12:54 PM
Feb 2017

Why on earth shouldn't a child be taken to see the President of the United States? All should be welcome and feel safe. This is not my America. This is not what my family sacrificed more than one life for. And this isn't the America I'm going to leave to my grandchildren. None of us should.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
17. I Thought The Same Thing
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:17 PM
Feb 2017

My initial reaction was, "I would never take my little girl to see this POS." That thought was immediately followed by basically what you said. How far have we fallen? How terrible have we become that we need to keep children away from seeing the POTUS because they may be in danger? That's so sick and twisted that it's hard to describe the dread that makes me feel.

The lunatics are running the asylum. When has that ever turned out to be anything but a total disaster?

calimary

(81,210 posts)
30. Welcome to DU, Poplife.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:24 PM
Feb 2017

You make a very good and very painful point.

Our dear President, Barack Obama, often tried to point out in his speeches and other remarks - "this is not who we are."

I noted that statement, and appreciated it. But as time went on, hearing those same words started to make me feel sad. Because, watching the teabagger contingent, the trumpsters, and others turned loose on their communities to act out in all kinds of embarrassing, angry, ill-informed (maybe that should be WILLFULLY IGNORANT AND PROUD OF IT) and mean-spirited ways, I've come to believe that - this actually IS who we are. This is what we've become. Too many of us have allowed those inner demons to come out in the open and dance in the streets. We used to suppress those inner demons. They used to be closeted. This used to be things you did NOT say in polite company, and you rightly were shamed for them (or ashamed to even entertain such thoughts). No more. Now, that shit is out 'n' proud, reinforced by outlets like Pox Noise and hate radio from coast to coast and rewarded by that "amen chorus" from Hell. Given respectability and a voice. And a seat at the table. Horrifyingly enough, they now enjoy the seat at the HEAD of the table.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
36. Yep. These People Are Giddy
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:47 PM
Feb 2017

because they not only no longer have to hide, but can now actually be PROUD of their hate. After all, they have a hateful scumbag in the White House - one of them as far as these useful idiots know.

It's funny you mention President Obama. I was thinking about this while walking my dogs. He not only used to scold his supporters for shouting down hecklers/protestors at his appearances, but he'd actually engage them respectfully. You know, like how it's supposed to work in a freaking democracy.

Just another way that it makes me physically ill to admit that this dirtbag holds the same title as a person I truly respected and admired in President Obama. There really is no comparison between these two human beings. That coward would never even acknowledge someone who disagreed with whatever BS he was spewing at the moment let alone engage them.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
41. "What she WILL remember...
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 03:18 PM
Feb 2017

...is the angry, violent man screaming demonic vitriol at a child and her mother. She will remember the two ladies screaming at her Dad, her pastor – flipping the middle finger and using the F word repeatedly."

The chronological adults who behaved in such a vile manner towards children should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, but, of curse, they likely are not. More likely is that they are savoring and reliving their moments of triumph in what they no doubt regard as sticking to to those damn libtards. I say chronological adults, because developmentally that are apparently stuck in the early id gratification stage. Furthermore, I would not refer to those women as ladies - they are not.

How utterly sad.

Of course a child should be able to go see a president and Air Force One, but not when he and so many of his followers are fucking batshit insane and dangerous.

I'm 66. No way I would go expose myself to that.

musette_sf

(10,200 posts)
42. It was perfectly appropriate for him to take his 11-year-old daughter.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 03:32 PM
Feb 2017

My Dad took the whole family, including 11-year-old me, to hear Nixon speak at a local high school in the early 60s. My parents were Democrats and voted for JFK in 1960 - but Dad thought it would be educational for us to go and hear Nixon. My Dad also took me to hear Hubert Humphrey speak at an event, in the same time frame. Involving children early on in the process... yields politically active voters in adult life.

Warpy

(111,243 posts)
55. He won't suggest it again and I think she'd probably lock herself
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 09:00 PM
Feb 2017

in the bathroom if he did, poor kid. She'll be especially spooked when she has to read "1984" later on.

I know the crowd he was facing, I lived in the south during the civil rights struggle. I've seen those purple, contorted faces screaming unimaginable and unforgivable things at children.

And no, they wouldn't have been any more polite if he'd worn his backward collar. They don't care about anybody else. What matters is their misplaced rage.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. The post was set to "Public" and it was not copywrighted
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:06 PM
Feb 2017

The writer of the post invited people to share it.

Many people here are not on FB, so I posted it in it's entirety.

erronis

(15,237 posts)
54. Not to make a negative comment about FB or your participation
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 08:29 PM
Feb 2017

But why in hell would anyone use fb to communicate, other than to give their privates to these shysters?
(Hoping that DU is not in that camp....)

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
56. Because he's a regular person and a pastor, probably not journalism savvy.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 10:15 PM
Feb 2017

That's how he strikes me, anyway.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
27. If it was Obama giving the speech
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:12 PM
Feb 2017

Alex Jones would write about people reported smelling sulfur in the air near them.

blueseas

(11,575 posts)
40. Yes that is true they put their evil on our side.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 03:03 PM
Feb 2017

When they take away clean water and clean air and don't help the poor.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
8. What a powerful and honest message.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 12:50 PM
Feb 2017

I'm not religious but I understand that religion is a valuable view into the psyche of humanity. Religion, psychology and art are the three things that look at our fears and desires and who we believe ourselves to be.

This man's message seems humble and genuine, and it conveys the real danger in that man; his ability to draw out the deep fear and rage that can exist in people who usually keep it under the kind of control that lets us make something better of it, to create change for the better or to open to understanding that might ameliorate that fear. That man knows how to draw out the religious fervor and use it for his own gain and cares nothing for the damage done, both to his adherents and to those they harm.

Binders Keepers

(369 posts)
10. What's so weird is that some of these rabid supporters
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 12:54 PM
Feb 2017

probably didn't even like Trump during the primaries.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
12. Republicanisim is like a religion.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:02 PM
Feb 2017

With a religion you believe that you are right.

Also religion involves FAITH.

Nobody can prove that Mohammad talked to Allah, that there was a King David or Solomon, that Moses parted the Red Sea. There is no historical evidence of Egypt holding large numbers of Israeli slaves.

People believe these things because they have faith, not because hey are FACTS.

That is the same way with Republicanisim. 4% unemployment? Much higher. Crime at record lows? Crime is at record highs.

It's ok when you believe that for religion as long as you don't kill other people over it or expect others to believe it. It's problematic when you try to govern w/o actual facts.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
13. truth
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:03 PM
Feb 2017

from the fear and tears of an 11 year old...I wonder with triumvirate fuhrers such as we have now, will the 11 year old see 15? 20 years old? I'm 69, I can't worry about me, the children and the animals, I do. This planet is in great danger now.

Butterflylady

(3,542 posts)
37. Absolutely agree
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:54 PM
Feb 2017

I've always known that the way things were going in this country, we would be lucky if we lasted for another 20 years. Now, unless we change the tide, and by that I mean, we all do our share to rid this country of the vermin that has beseiged us, our survival rate will be considerably reduced.

This past year I turned 70 and likewise I do not fear for myself, I have 9 grandchildren and 4 great-grandchildren and I greatly fear for them.

I will do whatever I can to assure that they will not have to endure this nightmare we are living in now. That I promise you!

Newcanuck

(47 posts)
16. Sinclair Lewis said it 80 years ago
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:13 PM
Feb 2017

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." from "It Can't Happen Here." (Sinclair Lewis - 1935) - it's more true now than it ever has been in my lifetime.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
22. Prophetic
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:04 PM
Feb 2017

Sad part is that tRump and his nude "model" wife are not religious in the least. He is a con artist, acting as though he is the star of a reality show. He HAS to be stopped, before even more damage is done. God help us all, with this clown in the WH, even though he spends very little time there. Along with his useless family, they are draining the US Treasury. He needs to resign, go back to bankrupting small businesses and leave the rest of us alone.

calimary

(81,210 posts)
33. Welcome to DU, Newcanuck.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:37 PM
Feb 2017

That quote is more relevant now than ever before. In my lifetime as well.

It CAN happen here. We're watching it play out, live and in person, NOW.

NotThisTime

(3,657 posts)
19. Horrified and speechless... truly terrifying
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:41 PM
Feb 2017

These people are unhinged, some saying trumps here to usher in "end times" WTH...

Ligyron

(7,627 posts)
20. Yeah, that "Holy Spirit" thing?
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:54 PM
Feb 2017

The one I have experienced as well at Churches and Rock Concerts? It took me years to realize it's all emotion and all within me and caused by nothing supernatural.

But that was a good report from the front lines. Many people today have no filter, no sense of decency and no class whatsoever. On top of that - either they have no self-awareness or they don't care.

It's a Jerry Springer, Mort Downey outgrowth.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
23. Exactly.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:06 PM
Feb 2017

No class, no intelligence, no empathy, no feelings whatsoever. Why was HE installed in the WH?

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
21. One of my favorite parts:
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:55 PM
Feb 2017
Just as the President begin to speak, a short grandmotherly lady in front of us asked me if I would help hold her walker – the kind that has a seat built into it. She said, "I need to climb up on it and hold something up." Such an odd request at such an odd place at such an odd time. So, I helped her.

She held a pillowcase that had something written on the front of it, words I could not see. She climbed up onto the seat, wobbly-legged and held the sign up above her head. People in front of her turned around and started jeering and yelling at her. After holding her sign up for about 10 seconds, she climbed back down and thanked me. I asked her what her sign said – it read, "You had your chance, now resign!"


The whole piece was excellent!

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
38. These are everyday heroes.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:57 PM
Feb 2017

Sometimes we look to larger than life folks as sources of heroism (and rightly so, many times), but it really behooves us to take notice of those who make heroic gestures on a smaller scale. Ripples can turn into waves; snowflakes can turn into storms.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
29. Republicons & esp tRump only have fear & anger to sell. Pure emotion. Bullying & Authtorianism
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:18 PM
Feb 2017

That hangar was full of RWAF. That's all he's got. The rest of his supporters at this point are in it for the power and will impeach him the moment they conclude tRump is going down and there is no return, because they have Pence in their pocket.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
50. Ok, followed your link to the definition, but...
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 07:03 PM
Feb 2017

...I still think my first guess of Right Wing Angry Fuckers is still on target.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
46. That's what I was thinking.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 05:42 PM
Feb 2017

The writer's description of Trump's rally reminded me of newsreels of Hitler's rallies from the 1930s and 40s.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
32. the same people
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 02:34 PM
Feb 2017

who mass executed millions for hitler, the same people who jumped out of their cars in Rwanda to slit their neighbors's throats - these are trump's base. they are in a cult and beyond redemption.
thank goodness there are much more of us people living in reality and insisting on our constitutional rights.
trump is a madman.
i'm not religious but this man's story was compelling and chilling. this type of mindless adulation is what makes trump get up in the morning - that's why he's holding campaign rallies just after being made president. he cannot go on without that.

this country is in a world of hurt.

lindysalsagal

(20,666 posts)
39. As long as religion requires people to engage in delusional thinking, they will be left vulnerable
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 03:02 PM
Feb 2017

to other conmen.

The conscious awareness that is required to slough off political blindness will not allow for religious blindness.

You can't have or lose one without the other.

That is why religion is dangerous, and not benign or innocent, as so many claim.

Friend or Foe

(195 posts)
43. If you want to create a progressive for life
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:19 PM
Feb 2017

Let them experience (just once) a few tea party deplorables from Florida.

Worked for me. I started this with my 11 year old daughter...... 7 years ago!

And, now she will never leave the progressive cause.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
44. Not my president
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:25 PM
Feb 2017

Nor the values I went off to war for. I don't pray for (or to) the one that now uses our 747 as his personal motorhome - I don't pray to any imagined great god of the universe. I'm not sure I'm even an "American" - whatever that might mean in this day and demented age.

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
45. I am not at all surprised.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 04:34 PM
Feb 2017

And just one small nit to pick here ... that was not patriotism you felt from that crowd. It was the worst sort of jingoism.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
48. The followers have drank the purple kool-aid.God/Allah/Jehovah/name your spiritual being HELP US ALL
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 06:16 PM
Feb 2017
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
49. Damn.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 06:42 PM
Feb 2017

I thought this was bad:

From my view, the crowd was 99.9% white folk. I did see a row of about 10-12 supporters who were black, wearing T-shirts that said, "Trump and Republicans are not racist" - they were positioned in the seating area directly behind the podium.

Then I saw this:
One of the chanting ladies had her eight-year-old daughter on her back; the other had a severely disabled child in a wheelchair in front of her. As they continued chanting, the people around them became violently enraged. One angry man grabbed the lady's arm - that's when I went into action. I barged through the crowd and yelled at them to back off. My heart wasn't racing; I just instinctively became a protector.


Depressing and horrifying

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
51. Racism , hatred and fear is the backbone o f trump supporters.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 07:35 PM
Feb 2017

Add fanatical religious belief to the mix and this is the end result. I believe his supporters are racist whether they realize it or not and Trump , RW media caused this fear and hatred that goes along with it.

Maraya1969

(22,474 posts)
58. This is another Christian Holy War! The radical Christian terrorists!
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:39 AM
Feb 2017

I was shocked when he said it seemed like religious fervor. I have been to churches like that. It is all wild emotion building up into a frenzy..........Just like he said this Trump "post election" rally was like!




joshdawg

(2,647 posts)
60. Thank you, Joel Tooley.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 04:21 AM
Feb 2017

You saw the hate crowd that drumpf loves so much up close and personal........and stood up to them.
Kudos!

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