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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you think Hillary should run again in 2020?
In some ways I say yes because she would be the perfect and most qualified First Woman President but in other ways I feel like we need new leadership
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)On downticket races, a rematch usually turns out worse the 2nd time around for the losing candidate.
Time for some fresh blood.
agenasolva
(87 posts)So many women have been demoralized (especially after the Drumpf win) and struggling with oppression for so long that I feel we definitely need to run a woman
I'd personally like to see Elizabeth Warren
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)And I'm convinced that we'll elect a woman as VP before President. Amy Klobuchar for VP 2020.
My mom (born 1949) doesn't think she'll live to see a female president.
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beaglelover
(3,489 posts)have to be a woman. Has to be someone qualified with lots of charisma!
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)The only thing the next candidate "needs" is a great record, charisma and solid left policies that can fire up younger voters in particular. If that candidate happens to be a woman then that's great and I will happily vote for her,but I seriously hope I don't see people here needlessly bashing great candidates in four years just because they happen to be male.
brush
(53,843 posts)I'm sure she has moved on gracefully and will not even consider a third run.
samnsara
(17,635 posts)Baconator
(1,459 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)narrow primary in 2008 and then she was robbed in 2016 when the FBI rigged the election.
adigal
(7,581 posts)but we don't have a President Clinton.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Sure, I don't mind some mild speculation, or if some Dems want/need to start laying groundwork now... But in many ways the mid-terms are going to be WAAAAY more important -- not the least of which is they happen NEXT YEAR, and Congress, as is always pointed out, writes the actual laws. The more (D)s we get in Congress, the sooner we re-take a house or two and give some much-valued progressive leaders the committee chairs they deserve!
Mid-terms are the first line of defense in D.C.
And your local/state elections may be the first line even sooner!!
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michigandem11
(1 post)Yeah this would be a disaster
we can do it
(12,191 posts)FSogol
(45,525 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Time for someone new.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)The Democratic Party has 4years to grow and cultivate a group of candidates for the 2020 primaries. It's time to pass the baton to the next generation.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)ButSeeYa
(273 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Ezior
(505 posts)The problem is that so many people (even left / center-left) now hate her for stupid/fake/"alternative" reasons.
Yes, those people are stupid. But they are voters. So I think Hillary shouldn't run in 2020.
I think that Bernie proved there's quite some potential for socialist-"ish" politics even in the US. Just don't call it "socialist". Maybe a candidate who's not as far left as Bernie, but closer to the left than Hillary, would be a nice pick.
agenasolva
(87 posts)blm
(113,090 posts).
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)Bernie still is liked with higher favorability rating, but he's going to be older. I mean personally I think this would be a dream team, but I don't see it succeeding. There are still trump supporters who really dislike him and what he's doing but say it's better than Clinton, again framed by the GOP. We have to stop letting the GOP frame the narrative and our politicians in this way, until we do we will not be successful against it. We have to remember these people are highly influenced due to their own biases and fear of who knows what.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And she will make a great president if we elect her.
Bernie looked strong in part because he didn't have to take part in a GE. HRC was favored to beat John McCain by 13 points in the 2008 exit polls, in a race that Obama won by 7.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)mrgorth
(3,431 posts).
Initech
(100,101 posts)Bayard
(22,148 posts)Yes on Franken/Warren. Or maybe Sherrod Brown.
Initech
(100,101 posts)I could get behind this crew!
brush
(53,843 posts)Rep. Cummings has proven himself to be a fighter in defending Hillary in those hearings and butting heads with Chaffetz and the pinhead guy. I can't remember his name right now.
He's a truth teller and would be good on the stump in the aggressive roleneeded in the VP slot.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)He is loathsome.
brush
(53,843 posts)about. There's just something about his haircut and head shape.
The River
(2,615 posts)angrychair
(8,733 posts)No Sanders either.
I've heard the governor of my state has had his name considered by some, Washington's own Jay Inslee.
AJT
(5,240 posts)dawnie51
(959 posts)she did win, and she is the smartest person in the room usually. But it is not feasible, and in the end, would not be good for her. Enjoy her family, be the elder stateswoman of her party, and live long and well. It is time for new leadership warriors to take the wheel.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Let's have them step up. The Democratic Party needs to thrive on new leadership.
HRC served her country well. She gave it her all. Good for her.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)the reins. It means nothing disparaging about the great leaders we've had, it's just the way life works. The younger people need to move into positions of leadership. I think that's extremely important for 2020. We also need a strong 50 state strategy.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The old guard has much to recommend them, but I don't think they can energize the voters. They just have too much baggage.
We need fresh blood - especially people who have not had years of being trashed and demonized by the right.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)so when they would take office in 2020, they will all be 74.
Wisdom comes with age, so the older ones can do the advising, the younger ones can make the decisions.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)Baconator
(1,459 posts)Faux pas
(14,690 posts)HELL TO THE NO.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)we need to move on.
redwitch
(14,947 posts)I think that Kirsten Gillibrand should run. I have seen her debate and she is formidable. I'm not sure who her running mate should be but Kirsten would be a great candidate.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...it is time for new, younger persons to step up. And you are right, Hillary is eminently qualified, however, her political shelf-life is rapidly reaching it's "sell by" date.
Also, something that cannot be overlooked, is the sheer polarizing power of Hillary Clinton. No matter the educational outreach or the massive amounts of funds spent on PR, Clinton still evokes a visceral NEGATIVE response in a certain portion of the American electorate. Consider that there really are people that believed -and still believe- that Hillary and Podesta were/are running a satanic, pedophile cult from a non-existent basement of a Georgetown pizza restaurant.
VMA131Marine
(4,149 posts)She's had two bites at the apple, that's enough.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)She'll be 73 & Eliz Warren is 2 years younger.
meow2u3
(24,772 posts)She has been slandered so much and for so long that many people believe the rumors, lies, and innuendo the right spread about her. She could have God himself as a witness and still swing voters would not believe her.
It's a tragedy the way the right smeared her. It would take her having to sue her detractors, who apparently know full well they've been deliberately lying, to clear her name in the court of public opinion.
kcdoug1
(222 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,057 posts)But I'd also love to have a younger President. That goes for other elected officials too. It's time for the next generation of Democrats to start roaring like lions!
n/t
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)She is done, the party needs to move forward instead of being stuck on what could have been.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)Neither she or Bernie should run in 2020. It has nothing to do with leadership qualities because I still think she's the best, but she's put up with enough BS to last the rest of her life.
nancy1942
(635 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,128 posts)As unhappy as it makes me to say this, no, she should not. Despite the fact that she was (and is) head and shoulders above any of the crew the Rethugs had running at the start 0f 2016, the fact is that she is seen as a symbol of old politics and is an instant hate-magnet for the Right. I think she and the Republic (I said the Republic, not--those people) got a stinko-deal at the hands of all too many gullible swing-state voters, but her time to run for President has passed.
I think the Democratic Party should nominate and run somebody else.
And please don't trash me for lack of party loyalty. I was for Hillary in 2008, I was for her last year, I campaigned for her, so I'm no little prissy-pants do-nothing purist.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Time for someone new. Someone better at connecting with people, someone with a good track record, which I guess leaves out relative newcomers like Harris, but I would consider her.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)I questioned whether she was too old to run in 2016. I don't think it was much of an issue, but the truth is that people will be afraid to vote for someone if they think there's a chance that person might die in office. That's why Hillary's out in 2020, as is Bernie, John Kerry, and Joe Biden. I wished Howard Dean would try another run, but I think he has the same problem.
If we can't convince Sherrod Brown to run (and judging by the fact that his wife adamantly doesn't want him to, I don't think we can), who would win handily AND be an amazing President, then I think we need to start looking at the new, young blood in our party. Elizabeth Warren is getting up there in age, but I really like her as a candidate. She's about the oldest person I'd want being a serious candidate in 2020.
The other problem is that all the hatred for Hillary that has been built up over the past 25 years is not going away. Unfair or not, people HATE Hillary, thanks to a RW radio campaign that started 25 years ago and that has been kept going consistently ever since. John Kerry's flaws will come back to haunt him again too if he runs again. We need new blood.
We're GOING to win in 2020, so we need somebody who's going to do a great job. I haven't made up my mind yet who I'll support (unless Sherrod Brown runs, then it's a no-brainer), but I do know we need to quit going "back to the well." Let's find the next Obama. Someone that will get the entire country excited. If we can do that, 2020 will be a landslide.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)But he is to the left of both Clinton and Obama. Much as I would love the party to move in that direction, I don't that makes him someone "who would win handily."
karynnj
(59,504 posts)happens at this point of the cycle. Given that we nominated one of the 2008 choices in 2016, the list you reject were people who were considered in 2008 or 2004. They will all be over 70 in the years leading up to 2020. I don't think any of them will run. Kerry when he considered running again for 2008 said that he would not have done so if THK wasn't willing to support that decision whole heartedly. At this point, her heath would not be up to being part of a campaign.
John Kerry actually did better than any model of a generic candidate showed likely in 2004. I agree that there are those on the right who will forever hate John Kerry for speaking out on Vietnam. However, I suspect that there are few who would vote for ANY Democrat included in that. On the left, his work as SoS, would be a HUGE plus. He was the essential person to getting both the Iran deal (which prevented a likely, imminent war) and the Paris Climate Accord. His actions in using the threat of force to get 600 plus tons of chemical weapons out of Syria matches with his stated reason on the IWR - this and the Iran deal make him less vulnerable to the IWR than HRC. Now, if JK and THK were their ages in 2004 and she were as healthy, I think he would be an outstanding possibility. However, they will both be 16 years older than that in 2020.
As to flaws in 2004, he ran an excellent race. Many here still bring up windsurfing, which he did once during the Republican convention - which was down time for a Democrat. However, there were already below the surface attacks that Kerry, who had been treated for cancer the year before, was unhealthy. In fact, a DEMOCRATIC opponent had used a lie that he was still dealing with cancer in Iowa push polls. I think seeing an obviously athletic and fit Kerry could have prevented that attack. Consider how similar sewer level attacks on HRC were used this year -- and how damaging that made her fainting.
I think if you compare HRC 2008 to HRC 2016, you can see that she really is unlikely to have the stamina to run in 2020. I suspect that one reason that she really did do fewer appearances in the last month than Trump, or Obama or Kerry when they were nominees, is that after she fainted, she could not risk looking exhausted or getting ill again. Running for president is grueling -- and it is sad that this is used as a "test" when the Presidency itself does not require that.
I also think that both Biden and Kerry have found incredible positions to continue the work that they are most interested in. Biden will head a foundation that will do work on cancer and he will head the Penn Biden center for diplomacy - http://www.upenn.edu/spotlights/vice-president-joe-biden-lead-penn-biden-center-diplomacy-and-global-engagement Kerry is both writing his memoirs (which he has never done) for his incredible life of service and he is heading a multi faceted Yale effort where he will teach, mentor Kerry fellows in interdepartmental efforts - including conflict resolution, climate change etc. http://news.yale.edu/2017/02/16/secretary-john-kerry-66-joins-yale-distinguished-fellow-global-affairs Both of these men will be mentoring the future leaders on the issues that they have worked on throughout their long years of service to the country. As one who admires both of them, especially Kerry, I think this will let both of them extend their legacy into the future via the students they influence who become the leaders of tomorrow.
Hillary Clinton will likely work with the Clinton Foundation doing similar things.
Gothmog
(145,553 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,704 posts)somebody younger for me. We have several women who would be fine, and while I hate the thought of dying before we get a woman president, I see a few men emerging that would fight for us, too.
Beyond that, i'm not worried now about 2020. 2018 first. I know it hurts to let Trump run unopposed, but just maybe we'll get some Trump fatigue to set in.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Period.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)What we need is an authentic populist.
False populism won last time around. We can't risk that happening again.
area51
(11,920 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)I'd support her if she ran and became the nominee again but probably would want to focus on other candidates (no Bernie either). My sense is that she probably is through running even though she could credibly come back in 2020 and remind us that she told us that Trump would likely be a disaster but I doubt she would actually do that (though why Gore didn't do that with Bush II remains a mystery, especially since he had an even more compelling argument about being cheated out of a win). Hillary gave it her best shot and she was ultimately cheated out of a win by Russian interference, an avalanche of "fake news", other anti-Hillary forces, and some of her own baggage.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)State Department Inspector General's Office. They were ultra-partisan and repeatedly lied to the American people in order to sell the fake email scandal. And it started long before the final Comey intervention, although obviously that was the worst part. They labeled her a criminal suspect under active investigation with 11 days to go in the election. It is amazing that we treat it like it was another normal election year with an interesting twist at the end.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)The State IG was doing his job. Clinton could have avoided the entire problem if she would have left ALL her work emails with the State Department when she left. Had she done this the SD would have used them to comply with FOIA and Congress. This would have ended the issue years before the election and far fewer of her email would have seen the light of day.
Part of this WAS her ignoring that her work email should have been archived - no matter which account was used.
What is also mystifying and beyond unfair is that Comey never spoke of Trump and Russia. Not to mention, they are now not retaining their email per sone accounts.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)about it. And if they hadn't it would have been because they carefully cultivated a different fake scandal to use against her.
Do you have any doubts that if Wes Clark had been then nominee in 2004 he would have faced his own version of the Swift Boat Veterans?
HRC may not have handled every archiving detail perfectly, but that doesn't mean she had sinister intentions.
I disagree about the State IG. I can't remember the list off the top of my head, but I know that it was a very partisan GOP-controlled office and their report had quite a bit wrong with it.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)no email scandal. The SD could then have given the FOIA and Congress requests the required emails without it being clear what HRC's email address was -- as they did with a few captured from the recipient early on.
"perfectly" --- she left NO archive of her emails. Then a year and a half later, argued that most could have been found by looking at the recipient end. Two problems - some of her people were also on her server. Many people left, so those accounts were likely not active. It would have taken a lot of work to get an archive of her email by checking for them from the other end. As I wrote, my problem was she put the Obama administration in a position where they absolutely could not protect her. They were required to produce the requested and they did not have the ability to do so.
I do not think she had "sinister" intentions, but she clearly had an over developed priority for privacy. Note these were not private emails and they were supposed to be archived. One thing in her favor is that none of her predecessors were better. Still there were requests before left -- so she KNEW those emails were wanted. Because of that it was mind bogglingly arrogant for her to think this would not become a problem especially as she ran for President.
The State was partisan - he was recommended by Kerry and nominated by Obama. The partisan claim was that ONE of the professional staff came from Grassely's (I think) staff. I saw nothing unfair in the report -- and it also looked at Kerry, Powell, Rice and Albright, which acted to put it in perspective. I have no idea what you saw as "wrong".
I think it was 100% the right thing that the SD made the IG person to investigate this -- keeping both Kerry and Obama out of the process.
N77VG
(65 posts)that would be a really bad idea.
Calculating
(2,957 posts)We need some FRESH BLOOD! Warren will also be too old.
HeartachesNhangovers
(815 posts)I'm indifferent to her as a person, but she did win the popular vote. That should count for a lot.
KPN
(15,649 posts)I hope that was just an inaccurate choice of words.
HeartachesNhangovers
(815 posts)I'm speaking about Dem leadership saying: "You won the popular vote, if you would like to run again, that would be great." Of course, all her "strategists", "advisors" and "campaign managers" have to go, since they did nothing but handicap her efforts.
KPN
(15,649 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)But I could see her running for Governor of NY if Cuomo steps down to run.
healthnut7
(249 posts)No, it would make it too easy for the R's.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)her life. We need new recruits. We need another charismatic person to be at the helm.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)I can't imagine why she would want to run. What I would like to see is Clinton, Obama, Biden, Sanders all work together with whoever wins the DNC chair and we kick ass big time in 2018. They are a power house of good against Trump but just as important the state and national elections need attention. I do not think Sanders would ever run again, its time to move on together and beat the Republicans out of office. Who runs in 2020, I don't know but we want to give them the power of the congress and senate, that is critical to accomplishing our goals.
kacekwl
(7,021 posts)montanacowboy
(6,100 posts)No
Freethinker65
(10,048 posts)As the voice of reason for the Democratic Party, as an elder statesman/woman discussing foreign and domestic policy from time to time. She has a commanding knowledge and breadth of world and social issues. She needs no studying nor crib notes to effectively answer questions in depth. She would have been a fine President, but can now serve to be an advocate for America and Americans (including "average" Americans) off the campaign trail. She has the opportunity to show America the mistake it made in electing Trump and provide a vision for how we go forward and get back on track even without her at the helm.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)butdiduvote
(284 posts)I don't want Warren to be the first female president, unlike a lot of people seem to think is a good idea. I want a fiercly pro-woman woman like Hillary. Warren is a woman, yes, but Hillary has dedicated her life to women's issues. She would have pushed forth pro-women legislation in a way I don't think Warren would be as interested in doing,
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)same for Bernie
We need some fresh blood along the lines of Justin Trudeau.
woodsprite
(11,924 posts)even if she were the only person running, walked on water, and angels escorted her everywhere. There is just soooo much hate inside them they would never vote for her. We need to find someone in between her and Bernie (heavier on the Bernie side) that will appeal to at least some of that 'never a Clinton, never a woman' crowd. Not sure who that would be. We will definitely need a "Healer in chief" and a "VP Healer in chief" when the current administration gets done with America. If we choose the correct people, maybe we can get a good 16-year run of Dem leadership and fix as much damage as possible before the goofballs and turncoats do us in again.
Also, we're going to need someone who draws people out and to the polls to win in a total landslide, beyond anything they can try to steal or manipulate "just enough".
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Trump has undone a bunch of shit, and we will need someone familiar with how things were before he started undoing them.
We may need an older experienced person to run things to get us back on track. Of course, it may be just as easy to have some of these folks (Obama, Clinton, Kerry etc) in an advisory capacity.
I think we are gonna need some old hands to restore confidence in the system after Trump resigns, Pence resigns and then we have an un-elected president for a year or two.
If Trump is still there in 4 years, then probably some new blood to shake up the system is what needs to happen, but I think when this shit comes crashing down, we are gonna want some familiar faces in the White House.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)I admire and love her too much to wish that on her...
samnsara
(17,635 posts)...our country doesn't deserve her. and yep she lost cuz she's a woman. we have to wait til the current generation of old white men are dead.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)yellerpup
(12,254 posts)She deserves to enjoy her life.
Lunabell
(6,105 posts)We need new blood.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Depending on what the 2016 election can be divined to say about America's readiness to entrust executive power to a woman, she may not be that "best" candidate. Despite her supreme qualifications and brains, we can probably promote a Dem not so wrapped up in Wall Street and with a better record on making peace.
Also, I really, really dislike dynasties.
If the party can't unstick itself from the Clinton brand, I will vote for her again. Depending on her actions in the next year or two, I could become even more enthusiastic.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Just because her husband was once president that doesn't mean she couldn't be considered for the job in her own right.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Time to move on.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)We need new blood, new ideas..
Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)She is without a doubt the most qualified. But we live in an irrational country. At least a large segment of the country is irrational. If she had won the election, the GOP would have pulled out all the stops to destroy her. By now she would probably have been impeached three or four times. The Congress would have oscillated between impeachments and government shutdowns.
Golden Raisin
(4,613 posts)eniwetok
(1,629 posts)butdiduvote
(284 posts)They make me so fucking upset. We shouldn't be in a position of asking should she run again in 2020. And then seeing the people who admit they never were really enthusiastic for her kills me. I wanna cry.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)Because they rile us up, which can lead to infighting.
Exactly.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Chemisse
(30,817 posts)We have a common purpose now, to resist the effects of a political catastrophe like none other in our lifetime.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)SledDriver
(2,059 posts)n/t
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,808 posts).
Doreen
(11,686 posts)She has tried twice and the second time was stolen but despite the crap brought out on her was false it will stick in peoples mind and once again be her downfall. I doubt I will see a woman president in my life and I am only 49. I am hoping that the vile administration does not somehow fix it so there is never another election leaving us with the dictator. Go ahead and call me paranoid but I have seen nothing to prove they would not at least try that.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)Jane Austin
(9,199 posts)I like her, too, but there are other good candidates.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)So with a few tweaks to her campaign strategy in 2020 she could finally win.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,402 posts)True_Blue
(3,063 posts)But I would vote for her if she did. She would be a great POTUS.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Hillary Clinton wasn't. Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)It's time for us boomers to pass the torch.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I think she won't. I think we will have a new cast to pick from.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)But I think she will.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)Sorry, but a thousand times NO.
beaglelover
(3,489 posts)She's tried twice now and failed both times. Time for new YOUNGER democratic blood to run for POTUS. And yes, I voted for her in November.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)For now, let's nurture our grass roots movement to something magical, and see what transpires.
Cha
(297,626 posts)to counteract all the "nos!".. but your sage post caught my eye.
Mahalo!
Luciferous
(6,085 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Don't think she will
Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)CanonRay
(14,113 posts)I wanted to put it in stronger terms. We need new leadership, you can only re-tread the tires so many times.
mindem
(1,580 posts)No. No. No.
luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)No, and I don't think Bernie should run either. They are both going to be considered too old. I knew many people that loved Bernie Sanders but were considering not voting for him because of his age. Hillary also. It has to be someone younger in my opinion.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Fla Dem
(23,741 posts)We need someone new, dynamic, forward looking, that can inspire a new generation. Someone who's a fighter, a great speaker and as trite as it sounds, a people person, someone who connects at all levels. The only problem is I haven't seen anyone step up
Baconator
(1,459 posts)coco22
(1,258 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,895 posts)And not Bernie Sanders. Nor Elizabeth Warren or Sherrod Brown or Al Franken.
It is time to turn to the younger generation.
Barack Obama was our first GenXer President, and he was absolutely amazing. To turn back to aging Boomers -- both Clinton and Trump are exactly that -- was a huge mistake. It is time for the Boomer generation to step aside, gracefully I hope, and let the younger one come into the power they deserve.
And for those of you who have never read the book Generations by Neil Howe and William Strauss, please do so. It will clarify a lot of things about this country. Trust me.
And please report back when you've read it.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I think that we need some fresh blood the next time.
StarryNite
(9,460 posts)Even though I think she would have been a very good president, that ship has sailed.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)fierywoman
(7,693 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)That is all.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Of course she should have been elected, but it's time for some new people.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)We need new leadership.
applegrove
(118,774 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I was speaking with a young man recently who appeared to be about 25.
He said the choices in 2016 were like choosing between his grandparents.
Where, he asked, are the candidates who are in their 40's and 50's?
MrPurple
(985 posts)I like Hillary, but the right successfully demonized her to the point where swing voters saw her as being equally corrupt as Donald fvcking Trump.
The candidate needs to be someone with charisma, who can stand up to the abusrdity of Trump. I think Corey Booker could fit the bill on the charisma level, though I know that many Dems think he's sold out to corporate interests too much. As a charismatic youngish black Senator that went to a good college, he would play like a referendum between Obama & Trump and the Obama sentiment would probably win that.
I'd love to see Al Franken on the ticket.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)She was a flawed candidate in 2016 and bears a hunk of responsibility for why Trump is in the White House.
She is history as is the disgraceful control the Clintons held over the corrupt DNC.
As much as I liked Bernie, he's not the future either.
Got to clean house and move on.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)I would like to see some younger Democratic candidates.
bhikkhu
(10,724 posts)I was in favor of someone younger (for lack of a better way to say it) the last time around. This went against both Hillary and Bernie. I'll vote for the nominee regardless, but I wish to see a new generation, a younger perspective.
NewDealProgressive
(98 posts)She also would have easily in '08.
It's a tragedy that we were robbed of her services this time around but I'm afraid it's over.
The scary thing is that it seems we have no one on the bench.
al bupp
(2,187 posts)Bettie
(16,124 posts)25 plus years of constant negative PR by the Right (Remember that vast right wing conspiracy? It was and still is real.) have made her the wrong candidate.
Is it fair? No.
Is it right? No.
But people hate her for reasons they don't even fully understand.
A lot of people do not even remember a time when she was not being investigated for something and when she's found not to be guilty of whatever charge du jour is leveled, that gets zero airtime, just rehashing of the charge (whatever it may be).
So, no. We need someone who hasn't had baggage strapped to his or her back. Again, not her fault, but it exists and a decades long perception is very, very difficult to change, especially in our current media climate.
yuiyoshida
(41,861 posts)We need fresh young blood... someone like Gavin Newsom.
maryallen
(2,172 posts)FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)Her negatives going in should have been a red flag but let's face it her name was Clinton and they had the ultimate access to those who actually control our party. I voted for her but not with any enthusiasm other than stopping ass-wipe. The pukes worked for eight years to discredit her and they succeeded with a significant percentage of the electorate. The pukes set it up but had to resort to Comey to be the finisher.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)LisaM
(27,830 posts)What more does she have to give us? The haters won't go away. She'll also be 72, and while I don't want to be an ageist, I think we need someone younger. But not too young! As I've stated before, I'd like someone to be President who remembers what it was like when girls weren't allowed to wear pants to school. Someone who's about Obama's age would be perfect for my demographic.
I do think it's essential that we get a woman president. The time is ripe. I'm encouraged by the number of women that are signing up to run for office. Do I think Hillary's sex was one of the many factors that cost us the election? Absolutely.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)It seems to be emotional and not logical, but they've got it in there heads that Hillary Clinton is bad. Some how Donald Trump is better than Hillary to them (although maybe not anymore). Hillary did a lot for this country, but it is time for new leadership.
If she were to run again, I would vote for someone else in the primary. We need a different candidate next time. Why would we put ourselves through another round of that hellish election?
Paladin
(28,272 posts)I had a post removed recently for breaking this Forum Rule.
So what's the excuse for this lengthy thread existing, if that rule has any meaning whatsoever? Looks to me like a whole lot of Hillary-bashing is going on, here.
kevink077
(365 posts)Best candidates. In my (non expert) opinion...
Booker, Warren, Klobacher, Merkley, Brown, and Biden (if healthy), and Bernie.
if Bernie runs it is his for the taking. Sadly, not sure if it will happen due to his age.
I think Cory Booker will win in a landslide as long he repents for that prescription drug fiasco and makes nice with teachers unions.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)It's time a change in the Democratic Party.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)For fucks sake ..
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)I am sure she will not be interested in running again. Gosh, how I wished she won as opposed to trump. The world would be in a better place if she had. Frankly to me, the elections were rigged and too much interference from the FBI and trump camp to get that asswipe elected.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)After suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fuckheads for 20 years or more, she well deserves to live out her remaining years in relative peace and prosperity.
She can best serve as a wise, compassionate voice and standard bearer for a new crowd.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)So, she will probably be the nominee.
Buckeyeblue
(5,501 posts)I'm a Hillary supporter. Voted for her in the primaries. I didn't dislike Bernie but questioned if his support would carry over to a general election.
But I thought the Dems put themselves into a bind by planning on her being the nominee as early as 2008. I thought when she ran this time it was partly out of obligation. As a candidate she wasn't flexible enough in style to adapt to a trump- like candidate.
We need to be more open to the possibility of someone we hadn't thought about stepping up.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)She would have made a wonderful president, but her time is over now. We need to cultivate new people in the Democratic Party, and Hillary is (unfairly) too much of a divisive figure. We do best when we run younger candidates.