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Do you think Hillary should run again in 2020? (Original Post) agenasolva Feb 2017 OP
No crazycatlady Feb 2017 #1
I think I agree. Although it does need to be a woman agenasolva Feb 2017 #7
Sadly, I think Hillary's loss was partly due to gender crazycatlady Feb 2017 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2017 #47
No, it does not need to be a woman. I'd be fine with a woman, but it does NOT beaglelover Feb 2017 #121
It doesn't "need" to be anyone RoadhogRidesAgain Feb 2017 #161
No. Hillary can take comfort in knowing that she actually won. The repugs stole it. brush Feb 2017 #73
i agree! she is already Madam President! samnsara Feb 2017 #80
Unless you count using the American system... Baconator Feb 2017 #137
No, no, no!! She has lost twice, please, God, let's concentrate on 2018 nt adigal Feb 2017 #123
She's not running again but it is not accurate to say that she lost twice. She lost a historically StevieM Feb 2017 #135
She lost and she lost. If it was less close, she would have won. I understand what you are saying adigal Feb 2017 #167
THIS ! 2018 *before* 2020! Beartracks Feb 2017 #147
Noooo michigandem11 Feb 2017 #154
NO NO NO we can do it Feb 2017 #2
Cool Story, Bro. FSogol Feb 2017 #3
I love her but no. Nor do I want Bernie to run. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #4
Exactly what I was going to say Victor_c3 Feb 2017 #67
NO NO NO NO NO RKP5637 Feb 2017 #5
ICWYADH. n/t demmiblue Feb 2017 #6
NO NO NO NO NO NO ButSeeYa Feb 2017 #8
no. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #9
I like her Ezior Feb 2017 #10
I think Elizabeth Warren aligns with Bernie but doesn't have the icky "socialist" label agenasolva Feb 2017 #11
Why on earth would you say that? I take issue with your frame. blm Feb 2017 #57
Warren has become polarizing due to the GOP, she's in danger of losing her senate seat... NotThisTime Feb 2017 #77
Warren is not in danger of losing her Senate seat, she will win in a landslide. StevieM Feb 2017 #146
No. We don't deserve her. nt DURHAM D Feb 2017 #12
agree samnsara Feb 2017 #81
No. mrgorth Feb 2017 #13
No. I'd much rather have a Franken / Warren ticket. Initech Feb 2017 #14
No on Hillary Bayard Feb 2017 #65
Franken - Pres, Warren - VP, Brown - SOS. Initech Feb 2017 #75
I like Warren/Franken, or Warren/Cummings brush Feb 2017 #99
Darrell Issa. He also called Barack Obama "the most corrupt president in American history." StevieM Feb 2017 #142
Agreed. Issa is the most loathsome or all, and he's a crook. Goudy was the pinhead I was thinking... brush Feb 2017 #165
Oh Hell No The River Feb 2017 #15
No angrychair Feb 2017 #16
No. I like her, but no. AJT Feb 2017 #17
No...... dawnie51 Feb 2017 #18
Reality: HRC is getting old. We all get old. We have younger voices willing to step up. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #19
I agree, we need fresh faces, younger voices. Newer generations now need to take RKP5637 Feb 2017 #35
I completely agree. smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #41
Smirky, plus they aren"t spring chicks anymore......70 is the age of Bill, Hill & Bernie Jim Beard Feb 2017 #156
No. We don't deserve her. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #20
This Squinch Feb 2017 #131
Wow... Baconator Feb 2017 #143
Oh Faux pas Feb 2017 #21
nooooo get the red out Feb 2017 #22
No. We missed that opportunity. redwitch Feb 2017 #24
No. She had her run, unfair and unfortunate though it may be... Raster Feb 2017 #25
No! VMA131Marine Feb 2017 #26
no, we need some young blood Motley13 Feb 2017 #27
No, I don't think so meow2u3 Feb 2017 #28
HELL NO! kcdoug1 Feb 2017 #29
I'd love to have a woman President! Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #30
No TNLib Feb 2017 #31
Ask Mitt Romney this question. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #32
No Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #33
I love her, but no. radical noodle Feb 2017 #34
No. nancy1942 Feb 2017 #36
No, She Should Not Vogon_Glory Feb 2017 #37
No. Why nominate someone who already lost? alarimer Feb 2017 #38
No. Too Old To Begin The Training. ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2017 #39
Sherrod Brown is absolutely wonderful - Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #54
I agree and would say that looking at the last batch of possible nominees is something that always karynnj Feb 2017 #100
Yes Gothmog Feb 2017 #40
It's up to her. I will look at the field and make my choice when the time comes. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #42
No, we need to move on... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #43
No, new leadership. Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #44
No Bernie and No Hillary NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #45
Yes. No to both. nt m-lekktor Feb 2017 #71
Only if you want 4 more years of Pres. Chump. Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #46
GMTA. n/t area51 Feb 2017 #108
This is probably a moot point/discussion Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #48
The main factor in cheating her was corrupt GOP officials running the FBI and StevieM Feb 2017 #134
While Comey's action was both partisan and unacceptable, karynnj Feb 2017 #169
The GOP was always going to sell the fake email scandal. They were never going to fail to lie StevieM Feb 2017 #170
You miss my point. Had HRC given the SD all the emails when she left -- there would likely have been karynnj Feb 2017 #173
sorry, no N77VG Feb 2017 #49
NO! Calculating Feb 2017 #50
She should at least be offered the opportunity. HeartachesNhangovers Feb 2017 #51
Offered? KPN Feb 2017 #90
Poor choice of words. How about "encouraged"? HeartachesNhangovers Feb 2017 #103
Better. KPN Feb 2017 #182
No JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #52
Not good idea healthnut7 Feb 2017 #53
Let the woman enjoy bdamomma Feb 2017 #55
Why would she want to? Hillary was put through hell and back. BeckyDem Feb 2017 #56
No kacekwl Feb 2017 #58
No and No montanacowboy Feb 2017 #59
No. But I would like to see her in the media a bit more in, say six months... Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #60
No Va Lefty Feb 2017 #61
If she wants to, yes. butdiduvote Feb 2017 #62
No, too old lillypaddle Feb 2017 #63
I think we need some new blood as well. There are people that would never vote for her, woodsprite Feb 2017 #64
Oh hell no. Kentonio Feb 2017 #66
It depends on how this Trump debacle ends... Blanks Feb 2017 #68
No. I think we should get someone new. nt el_bryanto Feb 2017 #69
No one from 2016 except Martin O'Malley. nt Jamaal510 Feb 2017 #70
Only if Joe Lieberman is her running mate. n/t DefenseLawyer Feb 2017 #72
Another Two Years Of Hate Directed Towards Her? otohara Feb 2017 #74
i LOVE Hillary but..... samnsara Feb 2017 #76
No JoeOtterbein Feb 2017 #78
No. yellerpup Feb 2017 #79
No Lunabell Feb 2017 #82
We need the best Dem we can get. Orsino Feb 2017 #83
HRC isn't running again but her election would not have constituted a dynasty. StevieM Feb 2017 #138
No. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2017 #84
Fuck NO! ghostsinthemachine Feb 2017 #85
No. Turbineguy Feb 2017 #86
No! Golden Raisin Feb 2017 #87
No... BUT SHE HAS THE MORAL RIGHT TO LEAD RESISTANCE eniwetok Feb 2017 #88
Honestly, I wish people would stop making these threads butdiduvote Feb 2017 #89
The Republicans like these kinds of discussions. Chemisse Feb 2017 #93
+1 demmiblue Feb 2017 #97
Except... again there is zero infighting. We all seem to agree. Agschmid Feb 2017 #116
I know! Good for us. Chemisse Feb 2017 #117
No. We need fresh blood and new excitement. n/t Chemisse Feb 2017 #91
Fuck no gopiscrap Feb 2017 #92
No SledDriver Feb 2017 #94
Yes. joshcryer Feb 2017 #95
No, never again, Newsom/Castro 2020. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #96
No. DinahMoeHum Feb 2017 #98
I say no but if she did I would vote for her. Doreen Feb 2017 #101
After being hung out to dry by her own people, why would she even want to? Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #102
Yes. Sure! Why not? Absolutely! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #104
NO TrishaJ Feb 2017 #105
No. It's time for some new blood. Vinca Feb 2017 #106
No Jane Austin Feb 2017 #107
She barely lost the electoral college, liquid diamond Feb 2017 #109
No SummerSnow Feb 2017 #110
Hell, no. mnhtnbb Feb 2017 #111
I don't think she'll run again True_Blue Feb 2017 #112
We need to be focusing on developing nationally competitive candidates, Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #113
No GeorgeGist Feb 2017 #114
Up to her. Rex Feb 2017 #115
I would prefer she didn't. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2017 #118
No!!! OnionPatch Feb 2017 #119
Not just NO, but HELL NO! beaglelover Feb 2017 #120
Let's cross that bridge when we come to it, okay? Mr. Ected Feb 2017 #122
You win the thread, Mr Ected.. I was going to say "yes" just Cha Feb 2017 #128
No Luciferous Feb 2017 #124
Fine with me BlueStateLib Feb 2017 #125
Absolutely not. Midwestern Democrat Feb 2017 #126
No Way CanonRay Feb 2017 #127
No mindem Feb 2017 #129
No luvMIdog Feb 2017 #130
No Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #132
No, I was and still am a big HRC fan, but no. Fla Dem Feb 2017 #133
No... Please.... No.... Baconator Feb 2017 #136
Definitely not!!! coco22 Feb 2017 #139
Dear god, NO! PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2017 #140
No, not really. She had two chances for the gold ring, that's more than many others MrScorpio Feb 2017 #141
No StarryNite Feb 2017 #144
No. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #145
No. bronxiteforever Feb 2017 #148
She'd be a great mayor for the people of NYC. n/t bathroommonkey76 Feb 2017 #149
I don't really care why you are bringing it up. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #150
No. fierywoman Feb 2017 #151
No.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2017 #152
No. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #153
No. roamer65 Feb 2017 #155
No. We need a big slate. applegrove Feb 2017 #157
"we need new leadership" left-of-center2012 Feb 2017 #158
Absolutely no MrPurple Feb 2017 #159
Absolutely not Jarqui Feb 2017 #160
No, and I don't think she will. subterranean Feb 2017 #162
No bhikkhu Feb 2017 #163
She won this time, this was her time. NewDealProgressive Feb 2017 #164
Please, no al bupp Feb 2017 #166
No Bettie Feb 2017 #168
no... yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #171
No maryallen Feb 2017 #172
She is just too divisive, we don't need a candidate that so many people really don't like. FreeStateDemocrat Feb 2017 #174
No. I love her, but we need to move on. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #175
Nope RelativelyJones Feb 2017 #176
No, even though I strongly supported her in both 2008 and 2016. LisaM Feb 2017 #177
No, A lot of people have a strong bias against her. Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2017 #178
"DON'T KEEP FIGHTING THE LAST DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY." Paladin Feb 2017 #179
My list kevink077 Feb 2017 #180
No bluecollar2 Feb 2017 #181
Hell no Egnever Feb 2017 #183
It is too early to ask that question! akbacchus_BC Feb 2017 #184
For her own sake, no. Dave Starsky Feb 2017 #185
I count, like, 150 no and maybe two yes Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #186
No- - she shouldn't have run this time Buckeyeblue Feb 2017 #187
NO Nonhlanhla Feb 2017 #188

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
1. No
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:22 AM
Feb 2017

On downticket races, a rematch usually turns out worse the 2nd time around for the losing candidate.

Time for some fresh blood.

 

agenasolva

(87 posts)
7. I think I agree. Although it does need to be a woman
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:27 AM
Feb 2017

So many women have been demoralized (especially after the Drumpf win) and struggling with oppression for so long that I feel we definitely need to run a woman

I'd personally like to see Elizabeth Warren

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
23. Sadly, I think Hillary's loss was partly due to gender
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:41 AM
Feb 2017

And I'm convinced that we'll elect a woman as VP before President. Amy Klobuchar for VP 2020.

My mom (born 1949) doesn't think she'll live to see a female president.

Response to crazycatlady (Reply #23)

beaglelover

(3,489 posts)
121. No, it does not need to be a woman. I'd be fine with a woman, but it does NOT
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:00 PM
Feb 2017

have to be a woman. Has to be someone qualified with lots of charisma!

 

RoadhogRidesAgain

(165 posts)
161. It doesn't "need" to be anyone
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:29 AM
Feb 2017

The only thing the next candidate "needs" is a great record, charisma and solid left policies that can fire up younger voters in particular. If that candidate happens to be a woman then that's great and I will happily vote for her,but I seriously hope I don't see people here needlessly bashing great candidates in four years just because they happen to be male.

brush

(53,843 posts)
73. No. Hillary can take comfort in knowing that she actually won. The repugs stole it.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:55 PM
Feb 2017

I'm sure she has moved on gracefully and will not even consider a third run.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
135. She's not running again but it is not accurate to say that she lost twice. She lost a historically
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:40 PM
Feb 2017

narrow primary in 2008 and then she was robbed in 2016 when the FBI rigged the election.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
167. She lost and she lost. If it was less close, she would have won. I understand what you are saying
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:06 AM
Feb 2017

but we don't have a President Clinton.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
147. THIS ! 2018 *before* 2020!
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:47 PM
Feb 2017

Sure, I don't mind some mild speculation, or if some Dems want/need to start laying groundwork now... But in many ways the mid-terms are going to be WAAAAY more important -- not the least of which is they happen NEXT YEAR, and Congress, as is always pointed out, writes the actual laws. The more (D)s we get in Congress, the sooner we re-take a house or two and give some much-valued progressive leaders the committee chairs they deserve!

Mid-terms are the first line of defense in D.C.

And your local/state elections may be the first line even sooner!!

===================

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
67. Exactly what I was going to say
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:49 PM
Feb 2017

The Democratic Party has 4years to grow and cultivate a group of candidates for the 2020 primaries. It's time to pass the baton to the next generation.

Ezior

(505 posts)
10. I like her
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:28 AM
Feb 2017

The problem is that so many people (even left / center-left) now hate her for stupid/fake/"alternative" reasons.

Yes, those people are stupid. But they are voters. So I think Hillary shouldn't run in 2020.

I think that Bernie proved there's quite some potential for socialist-"ish" politics even in the US. Just don't call it "socialist". Maybe a candidate who's not as far left as Bernie, but closer to the left than Hillary, would be a nice pick.

NotThisTime

(3,657 posts)
77. Warren has become polarizing due to the GOP, she's in danger of losing her senate seat...
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:01 PM
Feb 2017

Bernie still is liked with higher favorability rating, but he's going to be older. I mean personally I think this would be a dream team, but I don't see it succeeding. There are still trump supporters who really dislike him and what he's doing but say it's better than Clinton, again framed by the GOP. We have to stop letting the GOP frame the narrative and our politicians in this way, until we do we will not be successful against it. We have to remember these people are highly influenced due to their own biases and fear of who knows what.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
146. Warren is not in danger of losing her Senate seat, she will win in a landslide.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:47 PM
Feb 2017

And she will make a great president if we elect her.

Bernie looked strong in part because he didn't have to take part in a GE. HRC was favored to beat John McCain by 13 points in the 2008 exit polls, in a race that Obama won by 7.

brush

(53,843 posts)
99. I like Warren/Franken, or Warren/Cummings
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:45 PM
Feb 2017

Rep. Cummings has proven himself to be a fighter in defending Hillary in those hearings and butting heads with Chaffetz and the pinhead guy. I can't remember his name right now.

He's a truth teller and would be good on the stump in the aggressive roleneeded in the VP slot.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
142. Darrell Issa. He also called Barack Obama "the most corrupt president in American history."
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:44 PM
Feb 2017

He is loathsome.

brush

(53,843 posts)
165. Agreed. Issa is the most loathsome or all, and he's a crook. Goudy was the pinhead I was thinking...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:13 AM
Feb 2017

about. There's just something about his haircut and head shape.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
16. No
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:31 AM
Feb 2017

No Sanders either.

I've heard the governor of my state has had his name considered by some, Washington's own Jay Inslee.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
18. No......
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:33 AM
Feb 2017

she did win, and she is the smartest person in the room usually. But it is not feasible, and in the end, would not be good for her. Enjoy her family, be the elder stateswoman of her party, and live long and well. It is time for new leadership warriors to take the wheel.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
19. Reality: HRC is getting old. We all get old. We have younger voices willing to step up.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:34 AM
Feb 2017

Let's have them step up. The Democratic Party needs to thrive on new leadership.

HRC served her country well. She gave it her all. Good for her.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
35. I agree, we need fresh faces, younger voices. Newer generations now need to take
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:48 AM
Feb 2017

the reins. It means nothing disparaging about the great leaders we've had, it's just the way life works. The younger people need to move into positions of leadership. I think that's extremely important for 2020. We also need a strong 50 state strategy.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
41. I completely agree.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:06 PM
Feb 2017

The old guard has much to recommend them, but I don't think they can energize the voters. They just have too much baggage.

We need fresh blood - especially people who have not had years of being trashed and demonized by the right.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
156. Smirky, plus they aren"t spring chicks anymore......70 is the age of Bill, Hill & Bernie
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:10 AM
Feb 2017

so when they would take office in 2020, they will all be 74.

Wisdom comes with age, so the older ones can do the advising, the younger ones can make the decisions.

redwitch

(14,947 posts)
24. No. We missed that opportunity.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:41 AM
Feb 2017

I think that Kirsten Gillibrand should run. I have seen her debate and she is formidable. I'm not sure who her running mate should be but Kirsten would be a great candidate.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
25. No. She had her run, unfair and unfortunate though it may be...
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:42 AM
Feb 2017

...it is time for new, younger persons to step up. And you are right, Hillary is eminently qualified, however, her political shelf-life is rapidly reaching it's "sell by" date.

Also, something that cannot be overlooked, is the sheer polarizing power of Hillary Clinton. No matter the educational outreach or the massive amounts of funds spent on PR, Clinton still evokes a visceral NEGATIVE response in a certain portion of the American electorate. Consider that there really are people that believed -and still believe- that Hillary and Podesta were/are running a satanic, pedophile cult from a non-existent basement of a Georgetown pizza restaurant.

meow2u3

(24,772 posts)
28. No, I don't think so
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:44 AM
Feb 2017

She has been slandered so much and for so long that many people believe the rumors, lies, and innuendo the right spread about her. She could have God himself as a witness and still swing voters would not believe her.

It's a tragedy the way the right smeared her. It would take her having to sue her detractors, who apparently know full well they've been deliberately lying, to clear her name in the court of public opinion.

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
30. I'd love to have a woman President!
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:46 AM
Feb 2017

But I'd also love to have a younger President. That goes for other elected officials too. It's time for the next generation of Democrats to start roaring like lions!

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
34. I love her, but no.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:48 AM
Feb 2017

Neither she or Bernie should run in 2020. It has nothing to do with leadership qualities because I still think she's the best, but she's put up with enough BS to last the rest of her life.

Vogon_Glory

(9,128 posts)
37. No, She Should Not
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:49 AM
Feb 2017

As unhappy as it makes me to say this, no, she should not. Despite the fact that she was (and is) head and shoulders above any of the crew the Rethugs had running at the start 0f 2016, the fact is that she is seen as a symbol of old politics and is an instant hate-magnet for the Right. I think she and the Republic (I said the Republic, not--those people) got a stinko-deal at the hands of all too many gullible swing-state voters, but her time to run for President has passed.

I think the Democratic Party should nominate and run somebody else.

And please don't trash me for lack of party loyalty. I was for Hillary in 2008, I was for her last year, I campaigned for her, so I'm no little prissy-pants do-nothing purist.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
38. No. Why nominate someone who already lost?
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:51 AM
Feb 2017

Time for someone new. Someone better at connecting with people, someone with a good track record, which I guess leaves out relative newcomers like Harris, but I would consider her.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
39. No. Too Old To Begin The Training.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:54 AM
Feb 2017

I questioned whether she was too old to run in 2016. I don't think it was much of an issue, but the truth is that people will be afraid to vote for someone if they think there's a chance that person might die in office. That's why Hillary's out in 2020, as is Bernie, John Kerry, and Joe Biden. I wished Howard Dean would try another run, but I think he has the same problem.

If we can't convince Sherrod Brown to run (and judging by the fact that his wife adamantly doesn't want him to, I don't think we can), who would win handily AND be an amazing President, then I think we need to start looking at the new, young blood in our party. Elizabeth Warren is getting up there in age, but I really like her as a candidate. She's about the oldest person I'd want being a serious candidate in 2020.

The other problem is that all the hatred for Hillary that has been built up over the past 25 years is not going away. Unfair or not, people HATE Hillary, thanks to a RW radio campaign that started 25 years ago and that has been kept going consistently ever since. John Kerry's flaws will come back to haunt him again too if he runs again. We need new blood.

We're GOING to win in 2020, so we need somebody who's going to do a great job. I haven't made up my mind yet who I'll support (unless Sherrod Brown runs, then it's a no-brainer), but I do know we need to quit going "back to the well." Let's find the next Obama. Someone that will get the entire country excited. If we can do that, 2020 will be a landslide.

Ms. Toad

(34,087 posts)
54. Sherrod Brown is absolutely wonderful -
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:28 PM
Feb 2017

But he is to the left of both Clinton and Obama. Much as I would love the party to move in that direction, I don't that makes him someone "who would win handily."

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
100. I agree and would say that looking at the last batch of possible nominees is something that always
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:59 PM
Feb 2017

happens at this point of the cycle. Given that we nominated one of the 2008 choices in 2016, the list you reject were people who were considered in 2008 or 2004. They will all be over 70 in the years leading up to 2020. I don't think any of them will run. Kerry when he considered running again for 2008 said that he would not have done so if THK wasn't willing to support that decision whole heartedly. At this point, her heath would not be up to being part of a campaign.

John Kerry actually did better than any model of a generic candidate showed likely in 2004. I agree that there are those on the right who will forever hate John Kerry for speaking out on Vietnam. However, I suspect that there are few who would vote for ANY Democrat included in that. On the left, his work as SoS, would be a HUGE plus. He was the essential person to getting both the Iran deal (which prevented a likely, imminent war) and the Paris Climate Accord. His actions in using the threat of force to get 600 plus tons of chemical weapons out of Syria matches with his stated reason on the IWR - this and the Iran deal make him less vulnerable to the IWR than HRC. Now, if JK and THK were their ages in 2004 and she were as healthy, I think he would be an outstanding possibility. However, they will both be 16 years older than that in 2020.

As to flaws in 2004, he ran an excellent race. Many here still bring up windsurfing, which he did once during the Republican convention - which was down time for a Democrat. However, there were already below the surface attacks that Kerry, who had been treated for cancer the year before, was unhealthy. In fact, a DEMOCRATIC opponent had used a lie that he was still dealing with cancer in Iowa push polls. I think seeing an obviously athletic and fit Kerry could have prevented that attack. Consider how similar sewer level attacks on HRC were used this year -- and how damaging that made her fainting.

I think if you compare HRC 2008 to HRC 2016, you can see that she really is unlikely to have the stamina to run in 2020. I suspect that one reason that she really did do fewer appearances in the last month than Trump, or Obama or Kerry when they were nominees, is that after she fainted, she could not risk looking exhausted or getting ill again. Running for president is grueling -- and it is sad that this is used as a "test" when the Presidency itself does not require that.

I also think that both Biden and Kerry have found incredible positions to continue the work that they are most interested in. Biden will head a foundation that will do work on cancer and he will head the Penn Biden center for diplomacy - http://www.upenn.edu/spotlights/vice-president-joe-biden-lead-penn-biden-center-diplomacy-and-global-engagement Kerry is both writing his memoirs (which he has never done) for his incredible life of service and he is heading a multi faceted Yale effort where he will teach, mentor Kerry fellows in interdepartmental efforts - including conflict resolution, climate change etc. http://news.yale.edu/2017/02/16/secretary-john-kerry-66-joins-yale-distinguished-fellow-global-affairs Both of these men will be mentoring the future leaders on the issues that they have worked on throughout their long years of service to the country. As one who admires both of them, especially Kerry, I think this will let both of them extend their legacy into the future via the students they influence who become the leaders of tomorrow.

Hillary Clinton will likely work with the Clinton Foundation doing similar things.




Wounded Bear

(58,704 posts)
43. No, we need to move on...
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:13 PM
Feb 2017

somebody younger for me. We have several women who would be fine, and while I hate the thought of dying before we get a woman president, I see a few men emerging that would fight for us, too.

Beyond that, i'm not worried now about 2020. 2018 first. I know it hurts to let Trump run unopposed, but just maybe we'll get some Trump fatigue to set in.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
46. Only if you want 4 more years of Pres. Chump.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:16 PM
Feb 2017

What we need is an authentic populist.


False populism won last time around. We can't risk that happening again.



Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
48. This is probably a moot point/discussion
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:17 PM
Feb 2017

I'd support her if she ran and became the nominee again but probably would want to focus on other candidates (no Bernie either). My sense is that she probably is through running even though she could credibly come back in 2020 and remind us that she told us that Trump would likely be a disaster but I doubt she would actually do that (though why Gore didn't do that with Bush II remains a mystery, especially since he had an even more compelling argument about being cheated out of a win). Hillary gave it her best shot and she was ultimately cheated out of a win by Russian interference, an avalanche of "fake news", other anti-Hillary forces, and some of her own baggage.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
134. The main factor in cheating her was corrupt GOP officials running the FBI and
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:38 PM
Feb 2017

State Department Inspector General's Office. They were ultra-partisan and repeatedly lied to the American people in order to sell the fake email scandal. And it started long before the final Comey intervention, although obviously that was the worst part. They labeled her a criminal suspect under active investigation with 11 days to go in the election. It is amazing that we treat it like it was another normal election year with an interesting twist at the end.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
169. While Comey's action was both partisan and unacceptable,
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:36 AM
Feb 2017

The State IG was doing his job. Clinton could have avoided the entire problem if she would have left ALL her work emails with the State Department when she left. Had she done this the SD would have used them to comply with FOIA and Congress. This would have ended the issue years before the election and far fewer of her email would have seen the light of day.

Part of this WAS her ignoring that her work email should have been archived - no matter which account was used.

What is also mystifying and beyond unfair is that Comey never spoke of Trump and Russia. Not to mention, they are now not retaining their email per sone accounts.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
170. The GOP was always going to sell the fake email scandal. They were never going to fail to lie
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:51 PM
Feb 2017

about it. And if they hadn't it would have been because they carefully cultivated a different fake scandal to use against her.

Do you have any doubts that if Wes Clark had been then nominee in 2004 he would have faced his own version of the Swift Boat Veterans?

HRC may not have handled every archiving detail perfectly, but that doesn't mean she had sinister intentions.

I disagree about the State IG. I can't remember the list off the top of my head, but I know that it was a very partisan GOP-controlled office and their report had quite a bit wrong with it.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
173. You miss my point. Had HRC given the SD all the emails when she left -- there would likely have been
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:12 PM
Feb 2017

no email scandal. The SD could then have given the FOIA and Congress requests the required emails without it being clear what HRC's email address was -- as they did with a few captured from the recipient early on.

"perfectly" --- she left NO archive of her emails. Then a year and a half later, argued that most could have been found by looking at the recipient end. Two problems - some of her people were also on her server. Many people left, so those accounts were likely not active. It would have taken a lot of work to get an archive of her email by checking for them from the other end. As I wrote, my problem was she put the Obama administration in a position where they absolutely could not protect her. They were required to produce the requested and they did not have the ability to do so.

I do not think she had "sinister" intentions, but she clearly had an over developed priority for privacy. Note these were not private emails and they were supposed to be archived. One thing in her favor is that none of her predecessors were better. Still there were requests before left -- so she KNEW those emails were wanted. Because of that it was mind bogglingly arrogant for her to think this would not become a problem especially as she ran for President.

The State was partisan - he was recommended by Kerry and nominated by Obama. The partisan claim was that ONE of the professional staff came from Grassely's (I think) staff. I saw nothing unfair in the report -- and it also looked at Kerry, Powell, Rice and Albright, which acted to put it in perspective. I have no idea what you saw as "wrong".

I think it was 100% the right thing that the SD made the IG person to investigate this -- keeping both Kerry and Obama out of the process.

51. She should at least be offered the opportunity.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:24 PM
Feb 2017

I'm indifferent to her as a person, but she did win the popular vote. That should count for a lot.

103. Poor choice of words. How about "encouraged"?
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 02:16 PM
Feb 2017

I'm speaking about Dem leadership saying: "You won the popular vote, if you would like to run again, that would be great." Of course, all her "strategists", "advisors" and "campaign managers" have to go, since they did nothing but handicap her efforts.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
55. Let the woman enjoy
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:31 PM
Feb 2017

her life. We need new recruits. We need another charismatic person to be at the helm.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
56. Why would she want to? Hillary was put through hell and back.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:33 PM
Feb 2017

I can't imagine why she would want to run. What I would like to see is Clinton, Obama, Biden, Sanders all work together with whoever wins the DNC chair and we kick ass big time in 2018. They are a power house of good against Trump but just as important the state and national elections need attention. I do not think Sanders would ever run again, its time to move on together and beat the Republicans out of office. Who runs in 2020, I don't know but we want to give them the power of the congress and senate, that is critical to accomplishing our goals.

Freethinker65

(10,048 posts)
60. No. But I would like to see her in the media a bit more in, say six months...
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:42 PM
Feb 2017

As the voice of reason for the Democratic Party, as an elder statesman/woman discussing foreign and domestic policy from time to time. She has a commanding knowledge and breadth of world and social issues. She needs no studying nor crib notes to effectively answer questions in depth. She would have been a fine President, but can now serve to be an advocate for America and Americans (including "average" Americans) off the campaign trail. She has the opportunity to show America the mistake it made in electing Trump and provide a vision for how we go forward and get back on track even without her at the helm.

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
62. If she wants to, yes.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:43 PM
Feb 2017

I don't want Warren to be the first female president, unlike a lot of people seem to think is a good idea. I want a fiercly pro-woman woman like Hillary. Warren is a woman, yes, but Hillary has dedicated her life to women's issues. She would have pushed forth pro-women legislation in a way I don't think Warren would be as interested in doing,

woodsprite

(11,924 posts)
64. I think we need some new blood as well. There are people that would never vote for her,
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:43 PM
Feb 2017

even if she were the only person running, walked on water, and angels escorted her everywhere. There is just soooo much hate inside them they would never vote for her. We need to find someone in between her and Bernie (heavier on the Bernie side) that will appeal to at least some of that 'never a Clinton, never a woman' crowd. Not sure who that would be. We will definitely need a "Healer in chief" and a "VP Healer in chief" when the current administration gets done with America. If we choose the correct people, maybe we can get a good 16-year run of Dem leadership and fix as much damage as possible before the goofballs and turncoats do us in again.

Also, we're going to need someone who draws people out and to the polls to win in a total landslide, beyond anything they can try to steal or manipulate "just enough".

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
68. It depends on how this Trump debacle ends...
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:50 PM
Feb 2017

Trump has undone a bunch of shit, and we will need someone familiar with how things were before he started undoing them.

We may need an older experienced person to run things to get us back on track. Of course, it may be just as easy to have some of these folks (Obama, Clinton, Kerry etc) in an advisory capacity.

I think we are gonna need some old hands to restore confidence in the system after Trump resigns, Pence resigns and then we have an un-elected president for a year or two.

If Trump is still there in 4 years, then probably some new blood to shake up the system is what needs to happen, but I think when this shit comes crashing down, we are gonna want some familiar faces in the White House.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
74. Another Two Years Of Hate Directed Towards Her?
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 12:57 PM
Feb 2017

I admire and love her too much to wish that on her...



samnsara

(17,635 posts)
76. i LOVE Hillary but.....
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:00 PM
Feb 2017

...our country doesn't deserve her. and yep she lost cuz she's a woman. we have to wait til the current generation of old white men are dead.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
83. We need the best Dem we can get.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:05 PM
Feb 2017

Depending on what the 2016 election can be divined to say about America's readiness to entrust executive power to a woman, she may not be that "best" candidate. Despite her supreme qualifications and brains, we can probably promote a Dem not so wrapped up in Wall Street and with a better record on making peace.

Also, I really, really dislike dynasties.

If the party can't unstick itself from the Clinton brand, I will vote for her again. Depending on her actions in the next year or two, I could become even more enthusiastic.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
138. HRC isn't running again but her election would not have constituted a dynasty.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:42 PM
Feb 2017

Just because her husband was once president that doesn't mean she couldn't be considered for the job in her own right.

Turbineguy

(37,365 posts)
86. No.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:10 PM
Feb 2017

She is without a doubt the most qualified. But we live in an irrational country. At least a large segment of the country is irrational. If she had won the election, the GOP would have pulled out all the stops to destroy her. By now she would probably have been impeached three or four times. The Congress would have oscillated between impeachments and government shutdowns.

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
89. Honestly, I wish people would stop making these threads
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:19 PM
Feb 2017

They make me so fucking upset. We shouldn't be in a position of asking should she run again in 2020. And then seeing the people who admit they never were really enthusiastic for her kills me. I wanna cry.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
93. The Republicans like these kinds of discussions.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 01:24 PM
Feb 2017

Because they rile us up, which can lead to infighting.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
117. I know! Good for us.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 10:54 PM
Feb 2017

We have a common purpose now, to resist the effects of a political catastrophe like none other in our lifetime.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
101. I say no but if she did I would vote for her.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 02:02 PM
Feb 2017

She has tried twice and the second time was stolen but despite the crap brought out on her was false it will stick in peoples mind and once again be her downfall. I doubt I will see a woman president in my life and I am only 49. I am hoping that the vile administration does not somehow fix it so there is never another election leaving us with the dictator. Go ahead and call me paranoid but I have seen nothing to prove they would not at least try that.

 

liquid diamond

(1,917 posts)
109. She barely lost the electoral college,
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 03:25 PM
Feb 2017

So with a few tweaks to her campaign strategy in 2020 she could finally win.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
113. We need to be focusing on developing nationally competitive candidates,
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 03:43 PM
Feb 2017

Hillary Clinton wasn't. Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been.

beaglelover

(3,489 posts)
120. Not just NO, but HELL NO!
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 10:58 PM
Feb 2017

She's tried twice now and failed both times. Time for new YOUNGER democratic blood to run for POTUS. And yes, I voted for her in November.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
122. Let's cross that bridge when we come to it, okay?
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:01 PM
Feb 2017

For now, let's nurture our grass roots movement to something magical, and see what transpires.

Cha

(297,626 posts)
128. You win the thread, Mr Ected.. I was going to say "yes" just
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:25 PM
Feb 2017

to counteract all the "nos!".. but your sage post caught my eye.

Mahalo!

CanonRay

(14,113 posts)
127. No Way
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:22 PM
Feb 2017

I wanted to put it in stronger terms. We need new leadership, you can only re-tread the tires so many times.

luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
130. No
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:27 PM
Feb 2017

No, and I don't think Bernie should run either. They are both going to be considered too old. I knew many people that loved Bernie Sanders but were considering not voting for him because of his age. Hillary also. It has to be someone younger in my opinion.

Fla Dem

(23,741 posts)
133. No, I was and still am a big HRC fan, but no.
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:33 PM
Feb 2017

We need someone new, dynamic, forward looking, that can inspire a new generation. Someone who's a fighter, a great speaker and as trite as it sounds, a people person, someone who connects at all levels. The only problem is I haven't seen anyone step up

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,895 posts)
140. Dear god, NO!
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:42 PM
Feb 2017

And not Bernie Sanders. Nor Elizabeth Warren or Sherrod Brown or Al Franken.

It is time to turn to the younger generation.

Barack Obama was our first GenXer President, and he was absolutely amazing. To turn back to aging Boomers -- both Clinton and Trump are exactly that -- was a huge mistake. It is time for the Boomer generation to step aside, gracefully I hope, and let the younger one come into the power they deserve.

And for those of you who have never read the book Generations by Neil Howe and William Strauss, please do so. It will clarify a lot of things about this country. Trust me.

And please report back when you've read it.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
141. No, not really. She had two chances for the gold ring, that's more than many others
Wed Feb 22, 2017, 11:44 PM
Feb 2017

I think that we need some fresh blood the next time.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
158. "we need new leadership"
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:15 AM
Feb 2017

I was speaking with a young man recently who appeared to be about 25.
He said the choices in 2016 were like choosing between his grandparents.

Where, he asked, are the candidates who are in their 40's and 50's?

MrPurple

(985 posts)
159. Absolutely no
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:16 AM
Feb 2017

I like Hillary, but the right successfully demonized her to the point where swing voters saw her as being equally corrupt as Donald fvcking Trump.

The candidate needs to be someone with charisma, who can stand up to the abusrdity of Trump. I think Corey Booker could fit the bill on the charisma level, though I know that many Dems think he's sold out to corporate interests too much. As a charismatic youngish black Senator that went to a good college, he would play like a referendum between Obama & Trump and the Obama sentiment would probably win that.

I'd love to see Al Franken on the ticket.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
160. Absolutely not
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:20 AM
Feb 2017

She was a flawed candidate in 2016 and bears a hunk of responsibility for why Trump is in the White House.

She is history as is the disgraceful control the Clintons held over the corrupt DNC.

As much as I liked Bernie, he's not the future either.

Got to clean house and move on.

bhikkhu

(10,724 posts)
163. No
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:40 AM
Feb 2017

I was in favor of someone younger (for lack of a better way to say it) the last time around. This went against both Hillary and Bernie. I'll vote for the nominee regardless, but I wish to see a new generation, a younger perspective.

164. She won this time, this was her time.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:51 AM
Feb 2017

She also would have easily in '08.

It's a tragedy that we were robbed of her services this time around but I'm afraid it's over.

The scary thing is that it seems we have no one on the bench.

Bettie

(16,124 posts)
168. No
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:10 AM
Feb 2017

25 plus years of constant negative PR by the Right (Remember that vast right wing conspiracy? It was and still is real.) have made her the wrong candidate.

Is it fair? No.

Is it right? No.

But people hate her for reasons they don't even fully understand.

A lot of people do not even remember a time when she was not being investigated for something and when she's found not to be guilty of whatever charge du jour is leveled, that gets zero airtime, just rehashing of the charge (whatever it may be).

So, no. We need someone who hasn't had baggage strapped to his or her back. Again, not her fault, but it exists and a decades long perception is very, very difficult to change, especially in our current media climate.

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
174. She is just too divisive, we don't need a candidate that so many people really don't like.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:25 PM
Feb 2017

Her negatives going in should have been a red flag but let's face it her name was Clinton and they had the ultimate access to those who actually control our party. I voted for her but not with any enthusiasm other than stopping ass-wipe. The pukes worked for eight years to discredit her and they succeeded with a significant percentage of the electorate. The pukes set it up but had to resort to Comey to be the finisher.

LisaM

(27,830 posts)
177. No, even though I strongly supported her in both 2008 and 2016.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:38 PM
Feb 2017

What more does she have to give us? The haters won't go away. She'll also be 72, and while I don't want to be an ageist, I think we need someone younger. But not too young! As I've stated before, I'd like someone to be President who remembers what it was like when girls weren't allowed to wear pants to school. Someone who's about Obama's age would be perfect for my demographic.

I do think it's essential that we get a woman president. The time is ripe. I'm encouraged by the number of women that are signing up to run for office. Do I think Hillary's sex was one of the many factors that cost us the election? Absolutely.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
178. No, A lot of people have a strong bias against her.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:41 PM
Feb 2017

It seems to be emotional and not logical, but they've got it in there heads that Hillary Clinton is bad. Some how Donald Trump is better than Hillary to them (although maybe not anymore). Hillary did a lot for this country, but it is time for new leadership.

If she were to run again, I would vote for someone else in the primary. We need a different candidate next time. Why would we put ourselves through another round of that hellish election?

Paladin

(28,272 posts)
179. "DON'T KEEP FIGHTING THE LAST DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY."
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:44 PM
Feb 2017

I had a post removed recently for breaking this Forum Rule.

So what's the excuse for this lengthy thread existing, if that rule has any meaning whatsoever? Looks to me like a whole lot of Hillary-bashing is going on, here.

kevink077

(365 posts)
180. My list
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:44 PM
Feb 2017

Best candidates. In my (non expert) opinion...

Booker, Warren, Klobacher, Merkley, Brown, and Biden (if healthy), and Bernie.

if Bernie runs it is his for the taking. Sadly, not sure if it will happen due to his age.

I think Cory Booker will win in a landslide as long he repents for that prescription drug fiasco and makes nice with teachers unions.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
184. It is too early to ask that question!
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 02:59 AM
Feb 2017

I am sure she will not be interested in running again. Gosh, how I wished she won as opposed to trump. The world would be in a better place if she had. Frankly to me, the elections were rigged and too much interference from the FBI and trump camp to get that asswipe elected.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
185. For her own sake, no.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:47 AM
Feb 2017

After suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fuckheads for 20 years or more, she well deserves to live out her remaining years in relative peace and prosperity.

She can best serve as a wise, compassionate voice and standard bearer for a new crowd.

Buckeyeblue

(5,501 posts)
187. No- - she shouldn't have run this time
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:57 AM
Feb 2017

I'm a Hillary supporter. Voted for her in the primaries. I didn't dislike Bernie but questioned if his support would carry over to a general election.

But I thought the Dems put themselves into a bind by planning on her being the nominee as early as 2008. I thought when she ran this time it was partly out of obligation. As a candidate she wasn't flexible enough in style to adapt to a trump- like candidate.

We need to be more open to the possibility of someone we hadn't thought about stepping up.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
188. NO
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 07:17 AM
Feb 2017

She would have made a wonderful president, but her time is over now. We need to cultivate new people in the Democratic Party, and Hillary is (unfairly) too much of a divisive figure. We do best when we run younger candidates.

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