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UTUSN

(70,680 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:55 PM Feb 2017

Pope on fire: "Better to be an atheist than a bad Catholic" plus fake-news-spreaders are crap-fetish

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/02/23/pope-francis-praises-the-torah-and-suggests-its-better-to-be-an-atheist-than-a-bad-catholic/?utm_term=.05c4b7463329

[font size=5]Pope Francis praises the Torah, and suggests it’s better to be an atheist than a bad Catholic[/font]

.... Many of these hypocrites, Francis implied, according to the Vatican’s text of his homily, are Catholics who act rigorously in their ritual observance but don’t apply the religion’s values to their lives. “A totally double life: ‘I am very Catholic, I always go to Mass, I belong to this association and that one; but my life is not Christian, I don’t pay my workers a just wage, I exploit people, I am dirty in my business, I launder money …’ A double life. And so many Christians are like this, and these people scandalize others.”

He then quoted a sentiment that he said he has heard expressed repeatedly: “But to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.”

Francis has surprised Catholics before with his warmth toward atheists. He remarked soon after becoming pope that even atheists can go to heaven thanks to the redemption of Jesus. He granted an interview to an atheist journalist, and told the reporter that efforts to convert people to Christianity are “solemn nonsense” and each person “must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them.”

He has also been friendly toward Jews, particularly through his longtime friend, Argentine Rabbi Abraham Skorka. On Thursday, Skorka led a group of rabbis to the Vatican, where they gave Francis a new edition of the Torah.

Looking at the text of the five books of Moses, the most holy books for Jews as well as a key part of the Christian Old Testament, Francis called the Torah “the Lord’s gift, his revelation, his word,” according to the Vatican’s text of his remarks.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/12/07/pope-francis-compares-media-who-spread-fake-news-to-people-who-are-excited-by-feces/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.8e44077525a6
[font size=5]Pope Francis compares media that spread fake news to people who are excited by feces[/font]

.... ...Francis criticized media outlets that look only for negative stories and those that smear people’s reputations, but reserved the harshest criticism for those who report untruths. Spreading incorrect information, Francis reportedly said, is “probably the biggest damage a news organization can cause.”

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Pope on fire: "Better to be an atheist than a bad Catholic" plus fake-news-spreaders are crap-fetish (Original Post) UTUSN Feb 2017 OP
And just who does the Pope think he is to judge Catholics? LanternWaste Feb 2017 #1
Deplorables used to pretend to respect pope until the pope said Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #2
Bravo! BeckyDem Feb 2017 #3
I like this guy more and more. Ilsa Feb 2017 #4
Pope Francis is the Man! peggysue2 Feb 2017 #5
Pope can fuck himself. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #6
I disagree with your reading of the points, but for me arguing/"debating" is futile. UTUSN Feb 2017 #9
How is this not a jab at atheists. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #11
Of course you're reading this correctly. pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #18
Seems to be a full time job for some. Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #20
One of the areas where "progressives" show their true colors. pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #21
I would like to echo your sentiments. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #10
Yup. pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #19
Gee, thanks. demmiblue Feb 2017 #7
I like this Pope and I am a Buddhist. Doreen Feb 2017 #8
I like this Pope madokie Feb 2017 #13
He has and uses common sense. Doreen Feb 2017 #14
I wish you could have seen the face of my fundy madokie Feb 2017 #15
I bet it was priceless. Doreen Feb 2017 #16
oh it was madokie Feb 2017 #17
I'll bet a lot RW heads exploded over that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #12
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
1. And just who does the Pope think he is to judge Catholics?
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:58 PM
Feb 2017

And just who does the Pope think he is to judge Catholics?


Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. Deplorables used to pretend to respect pope until the pope said
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 12:58 PM
Feb 2017

you cant be a christian if you dont help poor people, that was too much for the deplorables

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
4. I like this guy more and more.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:02 PM
Feb 2017

He's a great spiritual leader, recognizing that following God's word means treating others as you wish to be treated, no matter what your belief system is.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
5. Pope Francis is the Man!
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:39 PM
Feb 2017

Love this guy. As someone raised in Holy Mother Church, I find this Pope inspiring. No, he isn't as liberal as I would like but he is to the core, a man of stunning faith and love. That being the case, he is the enemy of those for whom rules are more important than outreach and genuine compassion.

May Pope Francis live long and well, irritating as many false, shallow Christians as possible.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
6. Pope can fuck himself.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:43 PM
Feb 2017

Instead of what the headline says he said, he actually said:
“But to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.”

Atheists are still going to hell. He never said it was good, or OK, or anything positive to be an atheist. Just that bad Catholics are no better than atheists.

Fuck him.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
11. How is this not a jab at atheists.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:59 PM
Feb 2017

You might as well be an atheist. Because Catholics know better. They know the truth about Jesus and God. They should be acting better. You're better off being an atheist. Yeah, thanks, Frank.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
18. Of course you're reading this correctly.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 01:04 PM
Feb 2017

Gotta love the secularsplainers and other apologists who whitewash this statement failing to see the obvious insult. Fuck the Poop is right!

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
20. Seems to be a full time job for some.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 01:45 PM
Feb 2017

I am amazed at how much love this pope gets on DU. He is overtly anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-women, anti-abortion, and a whole list of other things that would get him banned from DU, but all he has to say is this well crafted insult at atheists and the gushing begins.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
21. One of the areas where "progressives" show their true colors.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 02:30 PM
Feb 2017

I was raised Catholic --- catachism, altar boy duty......the whole deal. I came out as an atheist as a sophomore in high school. So when the Poop raises my neck hairs, he really raises them!
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. I would like to echo your sentiments.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:44 PM
Feb 2017

Bush made a couple of decisions and statements I liked. Bush can still go fuck himself.

This also seems to be just another swipe at atheists. Not sure why that is a good thing.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
15. I wish you could have seen the face of my fundy
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:33 PM
Feb 2017

rightwing neighbor when I first said long ago that I like this Pope. Of course he doesn't just because the Pope is Catholic and the other, (neighbor,) is right wing baptist

Me being Atheist I can like who ever I want

madokie

(51,076 posts)
17. oh it was
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:42 PM
Feb 2017

He thinks gays can be fixed, he thinks abortion is murder and on and on. Trouble is he'll fuck you in a heart beat and I'm not talking sex either.

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