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MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:26 PM Feb 2017

Please Remember This: We Do NOT Have to Win EVERY Seat in Congress.

We won't. Ever. What we need to do is go after the seats that are possible to win. We need to put maximum pressure on those districts where Republicans won with a reasonably small margin. We need to scare those legislators into pulling back from support for Trump. Then, we need to elect Democrats in those districts in 2018, using Trump as leverage.

There are red districts and gerrymandered districts we cannot win. But, we only need a net gain of about 26 in the House and 5 in the Senate. For pete's sake. We should be able to do that, with Trump as ammunition.

Forget the right-wing districts. They're not going to flip. Go after the districts where the Republican won by a slimmer margin and we'll be home free.

Pressure, folks. Keep the pressure on. Don't let up! Let's take the hard lesson we learned in 2016 and use what we learned to win in 2018. In the meantime, let's force Trump to resign in frustration by scaring those Republicans we can scare into backing away from The Donald on specific issues like ACA.

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Please Remember This: We Do NOT Have to Win EVERY Seat in Congress. (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2017 OP
There are 23 Democratic Senate seats up for election in 2018 and only 9 Republican. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2017 #1
The House is the target...and the 23 Dem figure is not Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #11
I agree in part. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #2
Yes. We can't win every Senate seat, but we shouldn't settle MineralMan Feb 2017 #6
True... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #3
You need to plant seeds in red states, yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2017 #4
Yes, of course. In most red states, there are districts than can be won, too. MineralMan Feb 2017 #7
I have to tell you I am scared. yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #5
Me too. I have friends from other countries that are scared to come here for a visit. Rex Feb 2017 #8
I don't blame you for being scared. MineralMan Feb 2017 #9
He is using the military yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #12
No, he is not. He is treating it like a military operation, MineralMan Feb 2017 #14
I don't know, I am sure there are some Generals yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #17
There are laws that prohibit that. MineralMan Feb 2017 #18
I am too. Initech Feb 2017 #15
No not every seat but sarisataka Feb 2017 #10
First, we have to win all of the seats held by Democrats. MineralMan Feb 2017 #13
I want to unseat Mitch McConnell. Initech Feb 2017 #16
Mcconnell is up in 2020. We can make him minority leader in the senate in 2018 though yeoman6987 Feb 2017 #19
We need to get to work flipping his seat. Initech Feb 2017 #20

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
11. The House is the target...and the 23 Dem figure is not
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:49 PM
Feb 2017

as meaningful with Trump who could produce a wave election with his low approval ratings. And consider his base is not spread out much.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
2. I agree in part.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:30 PM
Feb 2017

The Senate races are statewide and, therefore, cannot be influenced by gerrymandering. Thus, we should fight as hard as we can in red states to get as many senators elected. No one ever wins by giving up.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
6. Yes. We can't win every Senate seat, but we shouldn't settle
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:43 PM
Feb 2017

for narrow losses. We should fight like crazy in every state where we have a chance to win. The same is true in House districts. If there's one nearby that has the potential to flip, go there and fight to win. If there's a district near you where a Democrat won only by a slim margin, help that candidate win with a larger margin.

In districts where it is impossible to win, move on to another district where it is possible to win and fight there.

Wounded Bear

(58,584 posts)
3. True...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:38 PM
Feb 2017

But we need to run in more districts than we expect to win. We definitely need to expand into "soft" red districts.

I think 30 seats might be a conservative estimate on how many seats we can flip in the House. The Senate, of course, is more problematic.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
7. Yes, of course. In most red states, there are districts than can be won, too.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:44 PM
Feb 2017

We must win all of those. We can't let up.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
5. I have to tell you I am scared.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:42 PM
Feb 2017

Trump using the military to deal with Immigrants in this country. It had me scrambling to find my birth Certificate, and then I wonder if that's enough... or am I going to need some fucking long form.

every NON WHITE person, every Hispanic and Asian Person will be questioned about whether or not we belong here.. FUCK THAT! I was born in this country and I will not be escorted to the FUCKING BORDER and kicked out.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. Me too. I have friends from other countries that are scared to come here for a visit.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:45 PM
Feb 2017

And I am not sure I want to tell them they are going to be a-okay if they come here. Just for a week visit!

Trump will NEVER be normal - business as usual - not until he is GONE from office. There will be nothing normal about the next 4 years!

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
9. I don't blame you for being scared.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:46 PM
Feb 2017

Protect yourself. You're a native-born US citizen. They're not going to send you away. If you feel more comfortable by having your birth certificate, then by all means carry it. But, you are not the target, and Trump has NOT used the military for immigration enforcement. He cannot, by law.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
14. No, he is not. He is treating it like a military operation,
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:58 PM
Feb 2017

but he cannot use the US military to do that work. That is against the law. He could talk to Governors and ask them to deploy their National Guard personnel, but they've already abandoned that idea. Governors don't like doing that, and expect the federal government to pay if they allow it.

Trump is using the words "military operation" loosely. The military cannot be used for that purpose in this country.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
17. I don't know, I am sure there are some Generals
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:02 PM
Feb 2017

that are Right wing Republicans, who would probably go along with EL Presidente, and do his bidding.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
18. There are laws that prohibit that.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:10 PM
Feb 2017

If such a thing were to occur, the federal courts would put a stop to it immediately. And that's the actual fact.

Trump cannot use the US military for immigration enforcement. He has ICE and the Border Patrol to do those things. Generals have to obey the laws, too.

Initech

(100,029 posts)
15. I am too.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:59 PM
Feb 2017

I am from California and I know lots of people who weren't born in this country. Shit I have neighbors from Brazil who I consider to be good friends, and I'm worried that ICE may be coming for them. This is some seriously scary shit we're treading into.

sarisataka

(18,472 posts)
10. No not every seat but
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:47 PM
Feb 2017

if we write off 25% of seats as unwinnable and don't even compete, then we must win 2/3 of the remaining races to get a simple majority.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
13. First, we have to win all of the seats held by Democrats.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 01:55 PM
Feb 2017

Then, we have to win enough more to gain a majority. We don't have to win 2/3 of the seats currently held by Republicans. Not even close.

I recommend looking at the districts in your own state. Look at the margins from the last election. In Democratic districts, a strong effort to keep it in Democratic hands is needed. Then, look for districts where a Republican won, but by a smaller margin. Work those districts. We need a gain of less than 30 seats in the house. If we won just one new district in every state, we'd have that victory.

Every House seat, though, is a local election. We each need to work within our own and neighboring districts to win seats. By work, I mean actual work. None of us has enough money to make a difference through donations. What we have is time and energy. In your own district, local GOTV in your own and neighboring precincts is a great opportunity to help as a volunteer. In neighboring districts, as well, you can do phone banking and other GOTV work.

But everything you do is most effective if you work locally. Being concerned with house seats in other states is fine, but there's little you can do outside of your own state. In fact, you will be most effective working close to home, where you understand the issues, the voters and the situation best.

We have to hold our current seats and gain two or three dozen seats. That's all. We can do that, if we focus on the goal. If we scatter our focus, we won't be effective.

Initech

(100,029 posts)
16. I want to unseat Mitch McConnell.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:02 PM
Feb 2017

If we can't get rid of that fucking asshole from the senate, the most we can do is make him a minority leader. And make sure he's a minority leader.

Initech

(100,029 posts)
20. We need to get to work flipping his seat.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:17 PM
Feb 2017

We need to make sure that asshole pays for what he did. Firing him in 2020 would be the ultimate message to the GOP.

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