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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anyone understand Steve Bannon's political philosophy?
I've been trying to read up on it, and the more I read, the less sense it makes. It has something to do with Judeo-Christian capitalism fighting the secularism and the Islamic world, in an attempt to return to an imagined golden capitalist past. What the hell is Judeo-Christian capitalism, and where is democracy in all this? Much of his speech against Islam sounds like material from the Crusades.
here from a speech he made to the Vatican in 2014
Bannon: One thing I want to make sure of, if you look at the leaders of capitalism at that time, when capitalism was I believe at its highest flower and spreading its benefits to most of mankind, almost all of those capitalists were strong believers in the Judeo-Christian West. They were either active participants in the Jewish faith, they were active participants in the Christians faith, and they took their beliefs, and the underpinnings of their beliefs was manifested in the work they did. And I think thats incredibly important and something that would really become unmoored. I can see this on Wall Street today I can see this with the securitization of everything is that, everything is looked at as a securitization opportunity. People are looked at as commodities. I dont believe that our forefathers had that same belief.
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(earlier in the same speech)
But theres a strand of capitalism today two strands of it, that are very disturbing.
One is state-sponsored capitalism. And thats the capitalism you see in China and Russia. I believe its what Holy Father [Pope Francis] has seen for most of his life in places like Argentina, where you have this kind of crony capitalism of people that are involved with these military powers-that-be in the government, and it forms a brutal form of capitalism that is really about creating wealth and creating value for a very small subset of people. And it doesnt spread the tremendous value creation throughout broader distribution patterns that were seen really in the 20th century.
The second form of capitalism that I feel is almost as disturbing, is what I call the Ayn Rand or the Objectivist School of libertarian capitalism. And, look, Im a big believer in a lot of libertarianism. I have many many friends thats a very big part of the conservative movement whether its the UKIP movement in England, its many of the underpinnings of the populist movement in Europe, and particularly in the United States.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world
A lot of it seems to line up with facism, as defined by Umberto Eco. Here are the characteristics he lists, and they all seem true of the Trump administration:
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:
"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
"The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
"Disagreement Is Treason" Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
"Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
"Selective Populism" The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
"Newspeak" Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
True Dough
(17,255 posts)Leghorn21
(13,523 posts)randr
(12,409 posts)They only have the voices in their heads to guide them.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 24, 2017, 04:52 PM - Edit history (1)
Generation Zero directed by Steve Bannon produced by CITIZENS UNITED! Yeah same one
Chiquitita
(752 posts)and a dictatorship of the proletariat, complete with lots of blood.
haele
(12,640 posts)He's coward enough not to be the one that is supposed to be in charge and experiences the fate of being the public face of tyranny, but he still wants to call the shots long enough to bring about an Apocalypse and die with the world burning around him and millions dead at his feet.
Haele
C_U_L8R
(44,992 posts)White people against brown people.
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)world wide wally
(21,739 posts)He wants to "deconstruct" our government (representative democracy).
That in turn weakens our county.
That in turn make us more vulnerable to foreign powers.
No country of our size and wealth is going to be anachronistic for long, so
That opens the door for Russia to step in and take over.
Bannon and Co. gets richer.
Period
KT2000
(20,568 posts)a man -don't know who he was - said that Bannon's view is European and the word "deconstruction" is familiar and fearful to the French because it comes from a "philosopher" most French people know about.
I know this sounds like useless info, but it does appear that Bannon has some philosophers that have formed his world view - and they are not good.
elleng
(130,773 posts)Deconstruction is a name commonly associated with philosopher Jacques Derrida's critical outlook over the relationship between text and meaning. Derrida's approach consists in conducting readings of texts with an ear to what runs counter to the structural unity or intended sense of a particular text.
DECONSTRUCTION
What is it?
Deconstruction: A school of philosophy that originated in France in the late 1960s, has had an enormous impact on Anglo-American criticism. Largely the creation of its chief proponent Jacques Derrida, deconstruction upends the Western metaphysical tradition. It represents a complex response to a variety of theoretical and philosophical movements of the 20th century, most notably Husserlian phenomenology, Saussurean and French structuralism, and Freudian and Lacanian psychoanalysis.
https://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/derrida/deconstruction.html
KT2000
(20,568 posts)All I can figure is that Bannon is trying to impress people and pretend he is an intellectual. I guess he wants to upend everything about the US and rule over a country in chaos.
DeltaLitProf
(768 posts)The way Bannon used the term deconstruction in his CPAC talk made it clear he doesn't really know what deconstruction means.
dchill
(38,453 posts)Poor people get to starve while working for the rich. He's a racist kleptocrat.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Which is nonsense, and also pretending to be against the state sponsored capitalism- which is what he's helping DT set up.
My take is that he'd always be a powerless outsider with traditional republicans, so he's trying to use them to destroy their traditional system of cronyism with his own that excludes them the minute they cannot be used for his purposes. He's trying to get the military industrial complex as well as mega donors behind Trump to defeat everyone else. There's no morality or philosophy behind any of it- he wants to conquer a system that shut him out because he was so fringe.
And yeah he's racist and sexist and that plays well with the people he's trying to control. But the aim is power.
DeltaLitProf
(768 posts)If you read any of his extended speeches or see the movie you'll find there is no coherence to what he believes. It is self-contradictory pseudo-intellectual doubletalk.
What does Bannon believe? That concentrating power and money is good for people like him and that any means of doing that is acceptable.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)Plus some sort of colonialism
Warpy
(111,175 posts)To Bannon, it was a roadmap to achieving everything he thinks he wants.
This is not a rational human being.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Not fat bloated rich drunk or orange .
That's it.
His philosophy.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Totally senseless garbage. So much for "Bannon the Intellectual."
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)He calls himself anti-establishment because he thinks it was the liberal/globalist/elitist establishment that moved the country away from a - think 1950's Donna Reed/Father Knows Best, women stay home, men go to work, and everyone that matters is white, male, Christian (or quietly Jewish) and everyone else is seldom seen and never heard - if they exist at all.
Bannon thinks America is failing because people have moved away from or has forsaken nationalism, religion, patriarchy, and now embraces things like human rights, social justice, equality, secularism and egalitarianism. All of which he sees has the reason for crime, poverty, a lack of patriotism, and understanding that you come to America, you don't celebrate diversity, you embrace nationalism, patriarchy, and the chosen religion.
Bannon believes that capitalism worked best when it held to patriarchy, religion (Judeo-Christian), and nationalism (White, Christian male America first and in charge). White Christian males built businesses, ran the government, maintained the peace, saluted the flag every morning and in church every Sunday. Everyone else fell in line and knew their place.
Bannon believes that is the formula that made America great and the only way to make it great again is to go back to a time when white christian men dominated, white women knew their place as homemakers, and everyone else was so far in the background as to not even exist - except in the service industry. That the LGBT community was unheard of because the closet door was kept closed and locked.
And it doesn't matter to him if his ideal America never really existed because he blames those who disrupted his 1950's vision of America for everything wrong with America, and this time around, he intends those of us he blames to be silenced forever.
elleng
(130,773 posts)Deconstruction: A school of philosophy that originated in France in the late 1960s, has had an enormous impact on Anglo-American criticism. Largely the creation of its chief proponent Jacques Derrida, deconstruction upends the Western metaphysical tradition. It represents a complex response to a variety of theoretical and philosophical movements of the 20th century, most notably Husserlian phenomenology, Saussurean and French structuralism, and Freudian and Lacanian psychoanalysis.
https://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/derrida/deconstruction.html
OBVIOUSLY trump believes and understands this!
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)nm
s-cubed
(1,385 posts)"I'm a Leninist....I want to destroy the state....have it all come crashing down". May not be exact quote, but close.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I don't think he knows what the fuck he is talking about.
Hekate
(90,565 posts)...with a straight face.
White nationalist with intellectual pretensions. Resume shows he probably was intelligent, but he looks so seedy it's hard to tell now.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)Slovenly out of shape, his hand carefully tucked into his Napoleonic tunic, contemplating the fate of the masses. What a frikken nightmare! I'm sure he's behind this hideous move against the press.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)If you really really really believe in God and Jesus, then god will give you prosperity. So you can easily tell which people are the best Christians, because they have the most money. Poor people are obviously degenerate and sinful, and that's why they are poor. It is pleasing to God if you tithe to the Church, and he will bless you with even more prosperity.
It's a very sicko belief system
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)He believes in destroying the current establishment and institutions so he can raise a new one in his image.
Heil, Bannon!
HoosierDebbie
(289 posts)the late, great Professor Irwin Corey, the foremost authority on everything, except not funny at all!
Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)That sums up Bannon's world view.
He's about as evil of a psychopath as has ever walked the earth. He sees the world as in need of a massive culling where a good % of humans are exterminated. And not just in the Middle East, this guy sees genocide as being necessary both abroad and at home. Bannon looks at about 150,000,000 Americans and sees people that he thinks should be killed. He will work to that end, he honestly thinks the world needs a reckoning where a good % of the "undesirables" as he sees them are eliminated.
In Bannon's ideal version of upcoming history, World War III and genocide eliminate maybe 2-3 billion people and of the remaining 4 billion humans left 95% are enslaved to work for the top 1%.
And what's most frightening is he barely hides his views. Liberals, blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, and non Christians have no place in his world. And women are to be reduced to servants and property.
This man is perhaps more sick than Hitler.