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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:29 AM Feb 2017

Let's Discuss

There have been a lot of posts lately about where we as a party have gone wrong – why we are losing elections, why we are losing influence over the electorate, et cetera.

Posters have brought up the undue influence of corporate money in our elections, how we must rid the party of the Wall Street types, how we have lost touch with the working class. But let’s look at the facts.

The Democrats have always stood up for the working class. We are the party that has fought for an increase in the minimum wage, for the social safety nets that catch those who are down on their luck before they fall any further into financial disaster. We are the party that wants universal healthcare for all, so that hard-working Americans aren’t bankrupted by medical bills they can’t afford.

We are basically living with a two party system, and our party continues to be the party that stands with the working class, while the other party has consistently given tax breaks to the wealthy, while promoting legislation that increases the tax burden of the middle-class.

Aside from the obvious machinations of Russian influence and voter suppression in the last election, let’s explore what has been made obvious by Trump’s “win”.

The Republicans stood for divisiveness; we stood for inclusiveness. They won.

The Republicans stood for government intrusiveness into the lives of women who want dominion over their own bodies, and LGBTers who want the same rights hetero people have. They won.

The Republicans stood for deporting illegals who were “stealing” good-paying jobs. They won.

The Republicans stood for “good Christian values” while profferring a self-professed “pussy-grabber” as their candidate. They won.

The Republicans stood up for a candidate who bragged about being “too smart” to pay taxes, “too smart” to pay workers for their services, “too smart” to have his brand-named goods manufactured in the States when offshore workers are willing to produce the same goods for a fraction of the cost. And yet, HE won.

The Republicans stood for dismantling and/or eliminating literally everything that helps the working-class, from affordable healthcare, to affordable education, to protecting every citizen’s right to clean water, safe food, safe drugs, and a livable wage. They won.

Trump supporters didn’t vote for him because he represented a break with Wall Street, or ridding our electoral system of the influence of the monied. They didn’t vote for him because he refused the financial contributions of Big Business. In fact, his entire campaign was based on his own money-making prowess as an alleged billionaire who was handed an inheritance he never worked for.

In view of all of the above, it strikes me as ludicrous to say that we Democrats lost the election by not being the party of the working-class, or because we have somehow failed them. In a two-party system, it is abundantly clear which party has always supported the working class and which party doesn’t, and never has.

The cries of let’s open the party to the working-class is not only a misleading and totally untruthful statement – given that we have never been “closed” to anyone, especially the working-class – it is an insult to a party that has fought for the welfare of the working-class for decades.

While ridding politics of the influence of monied interests is a noble cause, we most assuredly did not lose the last election to those who oppose such influence. We lost to the party that clings to it, and the voters who don’t give a shit how much money gets poured into elections, nor where it comes from. We lost to voters who believe that “ties to Wall Street” are unimportant, as long as those ties serve to elect a man who will rid the country of people they don’t like.

The lost election had nothing to do with voters who were looking at Democrats as people beholding to Big Money. It had everything to do with voters who see Democrats as beholding to people who are non-white and non-Christian, and those who refused to get on the bigot/racist bandwagon.

This past election wasn’t about money and its influence on political parties; it was about the party who appealed to those who couldn’t care less how much money is involved, as long as they hear what they want they want to hear.

The Democrats didn't lose because we're too cozy with corporate money - in fact, quite the opposite. We lost to a candidate who never stops talking about money and its importance in assessing someone's political worth. We lost to a candidate whose entire campaign was premised on attaining wealth as the be-all and end-all in weighing who was fit for the presidency and who wasn't, all other considerations to be ignored.

So let’s stop pretending it was the issue of "money in politics" that led to a Democratic defeat - it wasn't. Let's stop pretending that the Republicans are now the party of the working-class - they're not. Above all, let's stop promoting the idea that the Republicans "won" the election due to their concern for middle-class Americans - they have no such concerns.

I expect dumbass Republican voters to be dazzled by bullshit. I also expect intelligent Democrats to recognize bullshit when they smell it.



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Let's Discuss (Original Post) NanceGreggs Feb 2017 OP
Yup. I recognize that smell, I live in cattle country. madamesilverspurs Feb 2017 #1
I agree MountCleaners Feb 2017 #10
Jeeze..I know.. Exactly.. we were fighing for our Lives over so many things.. Cha Feb 2017 #2
I think it stems from the Republican propaganda machine. Kablooie Feb 2017 #3
I think... 2naSalit Feb 2017 #4
Thanks, Nance. PdxSean Feb 2017 #5
Amen !!! uponit7771 Feb 2017 #6
We did lose for a number of reasons. Caliman73 Feb 2017 #7
You forgot two things LittleGirl Feb 2017 #8
And they like the alternative?? Come on. boston bean Feb 2017 #13
Come on what? LittleGirl Feb 2017 #14
It's a hard time to be a person who cares about the truth and common decency/kindness butdiduvote Feb 2017 #9
Many good columns, but this is one of your BEST. Hits the nail dead center and hard. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #11
K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R betsuni Feb 2017 #12
K&R brer cat Feb 2017 #15
Great post Nance Gothmog Feb 2017 #16
They bought the con; they embraced the hate mcar Feb 2017 #17
Kicked&Recommended! coco22 Feb 2017 #18
Correct. sheshe2 Feb 2017 #19

madamesilverspurs

(15,800 posts)
1. Yup. I recognize that smell, I live in cattle country.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:51 AM
Feb 2017

That said, and given that we got 3 million more votes, I’d say we did NOT lose. Rather, he acquired the office via the gerrymandered manipulation of a broken anachronism. I’ve been at the table where the guy who took away the poker winnings was later shown to be a cheat; he got the money, but he didn’t “win” it. Meanwhile, I’m still proud to be a Democrat, a member of the party with 3 million proofs of our dedication to our time-honored principles.

“They”, on the other hand, can strut their “win” all they want. That’s all they’ve got. We know who we are. We also know who they are not.

Time to unstack their deck.




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MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
10. I agree
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 07:44 AM
Feb 2017

I don't think that the negativity is going to help us. We have a patent idiot in the White House, someone who can only fail. We need to take advantage of that.

Trump supporters are making a big mistake in just relishing their victory and not thinking about the future. We have an advantage in being future-minded.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
2. Jeeze..I know.. Exactly.. we were fighing for our Lives over so many things..
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:23 AM
Feb 2017

With millions of small money donors..

"The lost election had nothing to do with voters who were looking at Democrats as people beholding to Big Money. It had everything to do with voters who see Democrats as beholding to people who are non-white and non-Christian, and those who refused to get on the bigot/racist bandwagon."

The only ones who bought into that were stein-putin connection voters who believed her damn whiny lies..

Excellent point, Nance!

"The Democrats didn't lose because we're too cozy with corporate money - in fact, quite the opposite. We lost to a candidate who never stops talking about money and its importance in assessing someone's political worth. We lost to a candidate whose entire campaign was premised on attaining wealth as the be-all and end-all in weighing who was fit for the presidency and who wasn't, all other considerations to be ignored."

I can't even believed someone came with this shite..

"So let’s stop pretending it was the issue of "money in politics" that led to a Democratic defeat - it wasn't. Let's stop pretending that the Republicans are now the party of the working-class - they're not. Above all, let's stop promoting the idea that the Republicans "won" the election due to their concern for middle-class Americans - they have no such concerns."

"The Republicans stood up for a candidate who bragged about being “too smart” to pay taxes, “too smart” to pay workers for their services, “too smart” to have his brand-named goods manufactured in the States when offshore workers are willing to produce the same goods for a fraction of the cost. And yet, HE won."

With a big assist from the Russian hackers, the m$m, comey, and Voter Suppression/Purges.

Thank you.



Kablooie

(18,627 posts)
3. I think it stems from the Republican propaganda machine.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:25 AM
Feb 2017

Fox News, AM radio and innumerable web sites are all spewing pure, unabashed propaganda, 24 hours a day, with self righteous fury and froth. They have brainwashed a large portion of our population so deeply that truth and honesty can't get through anymore.

Many would rather hear scandalous fables rather than an accurate recitation of facts and figures. They live in a fantastic fictional world that is droned into them day after day until they lose the ability to umderstand anything else.

To me that is the major difference with politics today compared with anytime in our past and unless someone finds a way to break up the incessant torrent of right wing propaganda, I fear we may never again live under a stable, Democratic government.


2naSalit

(86,564 posts)
4. I think...
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:48 AM
Feb 2017

A) The election was flat out f'ing stolen, period.

B) Chastising ourselves endlessly take energy away from correcting this abomination of a stolen election result.

Review the numbers and include the electoral votes and the popular vote along with the number of suppressed votes -even just those that can be verified by voters being turned away at the polls or other irregularities - in the tally.

Sure, we had divisions in the party and things got pretty nasty, partially due to the propaganda machine, and partly due to our unwillingness to recognize each other because we had enough trolls to fan the flames of individual sensitivities. It wasn't that we blew it, we were robbed. Now we have to stop the steamroller before there's nothing left.

PdxSean

(574 posts)
5. Thanks, Nance.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 03:05 AM
Feb 2017

Sometimes DU leaves me feeling the same kind of unique crazy I usually only experience at my family reunions, but your posts are always a breath of fresh sanity.

Thanks for being you.

Sean

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
7. We did lose for a number of reasons.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 03:14 AM
Feb 2017

The most salient reason why Democrats lost is because Republicans just straight up cheated. We lost because in 2010, we did not show up in enough numbers to keep hold of congress and State offices, and this allowed Republicans to build a firewall through gerrymandering. They just cheat. They use every trick legal or not, ethical or not, to win. That is a big reason we lost which cannot be dismissed.

Where I disagree with your argument, is not in the substance, but you are failing to discuss the issue of perception. Democrats have historically been the party of the working class and increasingly since the 1950's (with the exception of the Dixiecrats) have been the party of inclusion. We are simply the more compassionate and fair party.

Internally, some more progressive, or left leaning elements of our party see our relationship with Wall Street as a problem. When you have Debbie Wasserman Schultz the former head of the DNC, co-sponsoring legislation to weaken regulations on Pay Day lenders (legal loan-sharks), that is not a good thing. When Chuck Schumer is seen as a "friend to Wall Street", that is not a good thing either.

I agree that there is no comparison between what Republicans stand for socially and economically and what Democrats have done. The problem, as I said, is in perception and the mechanisms by which things get done, which tends to favor Republican arguments. Democrats are the party of Government. We see government as a tool by which to help more vulnerable populations to have equal opportunity. We use public policy to legislate a more equitable society. There are some major draw backs to our position that are just built into the cake.

Government is messy. It can be slow, and sometimes inefficient because it has to serve a lot of people with a lot of different and sometimes opposing needs. Republicans run against government. They do not run against specific opponents on specific issues, because they know they cannot win that way. They run against the "excesses of government". If you have stood in line at that DMV or other government office, and have received less than great customer service, you are more susceptible to the argument that government is "bad", even if you get a multitude of services from government.

There was a study done by faculty at Princeton and Northwestern Universities that looked through 20 years of legislative data. It showed that for the bottom 90% of income earners, the likelihood of their influence on legislation was stuck at around 30% chance that any legislation they favored would ever pass, no matter how popular the idea was. In contrast, the top 10% of earners have as high as 60% chance of getting favorable legislation based on its popularity within their ranks. That shows government is non responsive to the majority of people. If Democrats are seen as the party where Government is the great equalizer, and the data shows that it is relatively non responsive to the demands of the majority of the population, that puts us at a difficult space. Republicans operate in the margins of emotion, racism, xenophobia, and hatred of government. They only have to motivate 28% of the electorate while suppressing sufficient numbers to get within their margin of victory.

LittleGirl

(8,284 posts)
8. You forgot two things
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:07 AM
Feb 2017

Gerrymandering - is so bad in some states, there are not even two choices for open slots. A republican is set for life in some districts/states.

They didn't like her. They just didn't want to vote for her. Sure they wanted a woman president, just not her. I'm sorry that you can't see that, but many of us did. They just didn't like her.

LittleGirl

(8,284 posts)
14. Come on what?
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 09:06 AM
Feb 2017

Democrats voted for her, at least most of us. I did.
But I know several, too many really, that did not vote for either one of them.
That was proven by the number of people that sat out and the numbers that voted 3rd party.
no surprise there.

come on what?

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
9. It's a hard time to be a person who cares about the truth and common decency/kindness
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:33 AM
Feb 2017

Thank you so much for this post. Ultimately, regardless of what people want to blame for this loss--and it's super in vogue to harshly blame Hillary and/or her supporters for daring to think a highly qualified woman could become president--what I always come back to is, for whatever faults the campaign did have, we were on the side of compassion, kindness, facts, pragmatism, and human decency. The other side represented the exact opposite of those values. Too many people let darkness win out of either selfishness, petulance, or pure hatred and meanness. Too many people scoffed in the face of the candidate who wanted to be realistic with them about what she could achieve rather than making promises she knew she couldn't deliver on.

You can't convince me this was a bad campaign. It wasn't perfect, no. But it represented so much hope in so many areas, enough that there was no reason for a person who claims to care about the wellbeing of others to throw a tantrum and vote third-party.

It sickens me that so many people let this happen. I can't get past it. I keep trying, but how fucking dare they.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
11. Many good columns, but this is one of your BEST. Hits the nail dead center and hard.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 07:53 AM
Feb 2017
I expect dumbass Republican voters to be dazzled by bullshit. I also expect intelligent Democrats to recognize bullshit when they smell it.


We have to wipe the bullshit off their faces and help them wise up. That's outreach. Outreach is not turning the party left or right, though some course adjustments that are generally agreed upon are always welcome.

I could write lots more but NanceGreggs has said much of it very well in this excellent column.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
17. They bought the con; they embraced the hate
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 10:52 AM
Feb 2017

Add in Russia, Comey and the media's 24/7 emails, emails, emails!!11 nonsense and you've got 70,000 people in three states who decided the election.

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