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derby378

(30,252 posts)
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 07:12 PM Mar 2017

Is intersectional feminism starting to do more harm than good?

I'm starting to see the term being used more and more on everywhere from Pantsuit Nation to The Huffington Post, but when it does show up, I'm starting to notice a disturbing trend.

Intersectional feminism, as best as I understand it, is an attempt to understand the rights and inequalities that women experience not just as women, but as women from diverse racial, religious, ethnic, social, and gender identities. It arose out of the concept that white women in the feminist movement face discrimination in society due to their gender but not due to their race, whereas African, Hispanic, and Middle Eastern women faced discrimination due to both gender and race. If the goal of feminism is to call for equality and social justice for womankind, then either all women benefit or none at all. And there were growing concerns that white women, whether by accident or by design, were gradually taking control of the feminist movement on all levels and, to a certain extent, muzzling other voices within the movement. After all, the Constitution starts with "We, the People..."

All of this I should support, and do. There is no good reason why a white woman should make less money than I for doing the same job, or that a Hispanic woman should make less than a white woman for that same job. It's not just a matter of appointing or electing more women to power - it's a matter of putting all women on an equal playing field regardless of race, color, or creed.

The current application of intersectional feminism is what I have a problem with. One proposal I'm seeing is that we should no longer deal with feminism as a singular, but feminisms as a plural. We already see this echoed in the constant need to identify oneself in liberal/progressive circles by distinguishing features, whether it be "As a gay man..." or "As a Muslim woman..." or even the famous "Nobody's Perfect" line by Senator Mazie Hizono (D-HI). This could lead to simmering resentments and even infighting within the overall feminist movement at a time when unity is so badly needed in today's political climate.

And when intersectional feminists are unified, I've started seeing another current of thought circulating among them - as long as you have white men, you will have racism. This very concept was hotly debated on PN not that long ago, as though white men were the only humans on Earth capable of racist thoughts or actions. I've seen this sentiment echoed among certain SJWs on college campuses, too. When you're trying to build a broad and diverse coalition against the rising alt-right, this does not help. When a plan of action is being suggested, I don't care if the person who dreamed it up is gay or straight, black or white, male or female, cis or trans. I only care that the plan is good, that it will work, and that it will grow our movement and further the push for true equality.

Finally, when dealing with inequalities and vulnerabilities experienced by various women in American society, it seems that the intersectionalist concept of said vulnerabilities must, by definition, have a shelf life. Physical vulnerability of women, in the context of what Paul of Tarsus once deemed "the weaker vessel," is being increasingly challenged in both the military and within professional sports. When I was a child, the only female athletes I could name offhand were Dorothy Hamill and Billie Jean King. The concept of athletes such as Laila Ali, Ronda Rousey, Manon Rheaume, Serena and Venus Williams, Brandi Chastain, and Diana Taurasi was, if not a novelty, broadly frowned upon and sometimes forbidden by regulations or even law. American Ninja Warrior doesn't even have male and female divisions; everyone competes on the same course. As a society, we are increasingly getting used to the radical nation that women can be physically strong as well as agile, and the diminuition of female vulnerability, once it more effectively permeates society as a whole (with one exciting side effect being that more would-be rapists on college campuses get their asses kicked by their intended victims), could leave some intersectional feminists with solutions in search of a problem.

Your thoughts? Am I making much ado about nothing? Or am I missing some salient points? Many thanks.

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Is intersectional feminism starting to do more harm than good? (Original Post) derby378 Mar 2017 OP
So, wait. You're saying when women are violent they don't need... leftstreet Mar 2017 #1
I'm drawing a distinction between feminism as a whole and intersectional feminism derby378 Mar 2017 #5
It must be so hard to be you. Poor dear. Squinch Mar 2017 #2
Care to elaborate, or just snark? derby378 Mar 2017 #6
what the heck obamanut2012 Mar 2017 #3
Jesus Christ. I like the SI swimsuit threads better. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #4
As long as you have "whiteness" as the dominating force ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #7
Would it be fair to say that "whiteness" is synonymous with colonialism? derby378 Mar 2017 #8
I think they go hand in hand ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #12
Feminism is about human equality. All genders. delisen Mar 2017 #9
While I'm all for equality for all genders... SticksnStones Mar 2017 #10
Ok with me nt delisen Mar 2017 #11

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
1. So, wait. You're saying when women are violent they don't need...
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 07:20 PM
Mar 2017

...er, what?

So feminist principles need a 'shelf life' in case women start shooting people or something?

I think you're mistakenly giving 'feminism' the wrong motives. There's something condescending about suggesting women need feminism because they're weak and vulnerable.

No. It's bigotry. It's racism. It's discrimination.

The strength of the victim is irrelevant

derby378

(30,252 posts)
5. I'm drawing a distinction between feminism as a whole and intersectional feminism
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 07:37 PM
Mar 2017

I think you completely misunderstood the intent of my post.

ismnotwasm

(41,995 posts)
7. As long as you have "whiteness" as the dominating force
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 07:42 PM
Mar 2017

Influencing social and economic standards, we will continue to have racism. I think white people mistake this and get defensive, because we feel we, personally are not racist.

And no, intersectional feminism is the logical evolution of feminism

http://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/whiteness

derby378

(30,252 posts)
8. Would it be fair to say that "whiteness" is synonymous with colonialism?
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 07:48 PM
Mar 2017

Because colonialism leads to attempts at assimilation and erasure of cultural heritage, like we've seen inflicted on too many Native American students.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
9. Feminism is about human equality. All genders.
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 07:53 PM
Mar 2017

Intersectionality, like many concepts, can be misused to divide as well as to enlighten.

I do not believe that there is white male sex gene for "racism."

The current use of the term "race" is an artifact of prescientific thinking and I think is holding us all back from acknowledging our common humanity.










SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
10. While I'm all for equality for all genders...
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 08:02 PM
Mar 2017

Feminism is specifically the advocacy of women's rights based on the assumption that the sexes are to be treated equally under the law.

It's a slight distinction, but to leave out the specific "advocacy of women's rights" when discussing feminism is to dilute its purpose in general.

Peace.


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