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Norbert9

(494 posts)
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:36 AM Mar 2017

Nine Dead and One "Almost" Since Election Day 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 29, 2017, 07:24 PM - Edit history (1)

This needed an update with two more additions this week. It's a very dangerous time to know things Putin and Trump don't want you to know. Below are six Russian diplomats, one former KGB general, a witness against the state in a Russian corruption case, a Ukranian relative of Trump's lawyer rumored to set up a secret meeting with Russia regarding Crimea, and a former Russian MP who was very outspoken against Putin. The list:

1. November 8, 2016: Sergei Krivov, age 63, believed to be the Consulate Duty Commander, died at Russian consulate in New York. After initial reports suggested trauma, police deemed he died of natural causes.

2. December 19, 2016: Andrei Karlov, age 62, Russian Ambassador to Turkey shot publicly in Ankara. It is believed he was assassinated in protest of Russia's involvement in Syria.

3. December 19, 2016: Peter Polshikov, age 56, senior figure in the Latin American department of the Russian foreign ministry, was shot in the head in his apartment in Moscow.

4. December 26, 2016: Oleg Erovinkin, age 61, was not a diplomat but was a former KGB/FSB general, a current Top Rosneft executive, former deputy head of personnel for the protection of state secrets under Yeltsin, and alleged information source of Rosneft kickbacks in the Donald Trump–Russia dossier. He was found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow and the cause of death is unknown.

5. January 9, 2017: Andrey Malanin, age 55, head of the Consular Department at Russia's embassy in Greece, was found dead at his apartment in Athens. He reportedly died of natural causes.

6. January 27, 2017: Alexander Kadakin, age 67, Russian Ambassador to India died reportedly of heart failure in New Delhi.

7. Feburary 26, 2017: Vitaly Churkin, age 64, Russian Ambassador to the United Nations for over a decade died also reportedly of heart failure the day before his birthday in New York.

8. March 2, 2017: Alex Oronov, age 69, neither a Russian nor a diplomat but he bears mentioning. He was a native Ukranian, naturalized American millionaire and had family ties (father of an in-law) to Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen. Reports are circulating he set up a secret meeting with Russian officials regarding Crimea. I have not found any reports on where or how he died.

9. March 21, 2017: Nikolai Gorokhov, age 53, lawyer of a late Russia whisteblower Sergei Magnitsky fell from his fourth floor apartment in what is reported by Russian media as an accident involving a bathtub installation. Gorkohov was set to argue new evidence for Magnitsky the following day March 22, in Moscow. Gorokohov was also a key witness in a US trial set to start in May and formerly handled by Preet Bharara against a company owned by Cyprus bank. He is currently in the ICU with severe head injuries. ETA: He is reportedly in stable condition and lucid.

10. March 23, 2017: Denis Voronenkov, age 45, former Russian member of parliament and harsh critic of Putin who had fled to Ukraine in October was publicly assassinated with two shots to the head in the capital city of Kiev.

Links:

Axios: Russian diplomats keep dying unexpectedly

Some history: In November 2015, a senior adviser to Putin, Mikhail Lesin, who was also the founder of the media company RT, was found dead in a Washington hotel room according to the NYT. The Russian media said it was a "heart attack," but the medical examiner said it was "blunt force injuries."

Two cases that are a little clearer: In 2006, former KGB officer and whistleblower Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned with radioactive polonium. Six years later, whistleblower Alexander Perepilichny died from a toxin while jogging in England, per the NYT report.

CNBC: Lawyer for Russian whistleblower's family falls out of apartment building before court date

On March 22, Gorokhov was scheduled to appear in front of the Moscow City Appeals Court to argue against the Tverskoi District Court's refusal to consider a new criminal complaint filed by Magnitsky's mother in regards to new evidence, Tuesday's press release said.

A series of electronic communications, known as the Pavlov Leaks, had been uncovered and it showed collusion of individuals responsible for the fraud case that Magnitsky uncovered, the release alleged. Members of the Klyuev crime syndicate and police officers were involved, the release claimed.

Gorokhov is also a key witness in the U.S. government's case against Prevezon Holdings, a Cyprus company owned by Denis Katsyv, son of senior Russian official Petr Katsyv, the release said. The trial, scheduled to begin on May 15th, is in relation to Prevezon's alleged money laundering that Magnitsky discovered, the release continued.

Former New York attorney Attorney Preet Bharara was handling the Prevezon affair before President Donald Trump fired him.

Crooks and Liars: EIGHTH Russian Connected To Trump Found Dead

GQ: In the Last Six Months, a Number of Russian Officials Have Reportedly Died Unexpectedly

The Independent: Unexpected deaths of six Russian diplomats in four months triggers conspiracy theories

Vitaly Churkin, 64, was rushed to hospital from his office at Russia’s UN mission on 20 February, after becoming ill without warning on his way in to work.

It was initially reported that Mr Churkin may have suffered a heart attack, but following an autopsy medical examiners said the death required further study.

Media company Axios note that not only is Mr Churkin’s death unexplained, but it is also remarkably similar to the deaths of Russia’s Ambassador to India on 27 January, the country’s consul in Athens on 9 January, and a Russian diplomat in New York on US election day, 8 November.

The three other deaths were all also labelled “heart attacks” or the result of “brief illnesses”.

The Independent: Ukranian businessman with links to Donald Trump and Russia dies in unexplained circumstances

Mr Cohen is understood to have an extensive network of personal and business relationships in the Ukranian-American community – and his associates included Mr Oronov, a partner in the ethanol business the lawyer’s brother, Bryan, set up in Ukraine.

The “peace plan” meeting brought together Mr Artemenko, Mr Cohen and Felix Sater, an American-Russian long-time business associate of Mr Trump who is reported to have ties to the Russian mafia.

...

The [Facebook] post, written in Russian, translates loosely: “Yes, I’m guilty... Alex Oronov, my partner, my friend, my mentor, Alex was a family member of Michael Cohen. And he organised all kinds of stuff, including an introduction and a meeting for me with Michael Cohen.”

It adds: “Unfortunately, his heart could not endure it. He died... Friend, your death will not have been in vain, nor will the deaths of tens of thousands of Ukranians and Russians, Alex Oronov, during this wild, undeclared war! Rest in peace and forgive me if you can, as difficult as that may be!”

Jalopnik: How Russia's Critics Keep Ending Up Dead (Or Almost Dead)

Sources told The Telegraph this week that Russian-backed Serbian nationalists disguised as cops planned to launch an attack on the parliament building in October of last year and kill Djukanovic, the prime minister at the time.

...

Though there is a difference between the U.S. and Russia. Where Americans may feel despair in their justice system, many Russians have simply given up. As flawed as America’s justice system is, it is nowhere near as bad as the one Russians have to endure. America has its own issues with unfair court systems and police brutality—look at the Black Lives Matter movement and other protests that have sprung up in recent years attempting to address this very problem—but Americans do believe the process, flaws and all, can work for them if they force it to. In Russia, not so much.

We also have to keep in mind that political opposition here in the U.S won’t get you jailed and killed. In Russia, it is sadly common. There is nothing commonplace about top political leadership being murdered just blocks from the White House. The U.S. may not be perfect, but its civil society is much more intact than Russia’s by any measure—and Russia’s is so damaged that we may never see an end to the killings.

Mic: At least 7 Russian officials have turned up dead since Election Day. Here's what we know.

On Nov. 8, the day of the 2016 United States election, Russian consular duty commander Sergei Krivov was found dead on the floor of the Russian consulate in New York. Though police had initially said he died of "natural causes," a Buzzfeed report revealed mystery surrounding Krivov's sudden death. Krivov, who was found with a head wound, was initially said to have fallen to his death before consular officials changed the story and said he had suffered a heart attack.

In December, Petr Polshikov, a senior Russian diplomat who served as the chief adviser to the Latin American department at the ministry, was found dead in his Moscow home with a bullet wound in his head. Hours later, Andrei Karlov, Russia's ambassador to Turkey, was assassinated at an Ankara, Turkey, art gallery by a Turkish police officer, apparently in response to Russia's involvement in Syria. There is no evidence that the two shootings were related, according to the Independent.

NBC News: It's Dangerous To Be A Russian Official These Days

npr: Former Russian Lawmaker Is Shot To Death Outside Hotel In Kiev

Voronenkov, 45, had just left the Premier Palace hotel when he was shot twice in the head on a sidewalk along a busy street in Ukraine's capital, according to the Kyiv Post. Citing police, the newspaper adds that both Voronenkov's bodyguard and the attacker were wounded and in the hospital.

The killing has the "handwriting" of the Russian special services, Poroshenko said in a statement Thursday. According to a translation by Reuters, he said Voronenkov's murder was "an act of state terrorism on the part of Russia, which he was forced to leave for political reasons."

Reuters: Lawyer of dead Russian whistleblower injured after fall from window

Magnitsky's former employer released a statement saying the lawyer, Nikolai Gorokhov, had been thrown out of a window on Tuesday, though he gave no further details and police were not immediately available to comment on his account.

Gorokhov had been due to represent Magnitsky's family at a court hearing on Wednesday linked to a $230 million tax fraud case that they say Magnitsky was killed for exposing in 2009.

News agency Interfax quoted an unnamed source saying the lawyer fell while trying to winch a bath up to an attic with some workers.

But Magnitsky's former employer, William Browder, said Gorokhov was "thrown from the fourth floor of his apartment building ... and is currently hospitalized in the intensive care unit of Botkin hospital in Moscow with severe head injuries."

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Nine Dead and One "Almost" Since Election Day 2016 (Original Post) Norbert9 Mar 2017 OP
Putin's problem-solving technique is well known and well chronicled dalton99a Mar 2017 #1
You'd think Stone, Page, Manafort et al would be starting to get a little worried. Norbert9 Mar 2017 #4
No kidding. dalton99a Mar 2017 #5
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #21
KNR. For visibility N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2017 #2
Manafort saying he will talk -- he wants protection Raine1967 Mar 2017 #3
+1 dalton99a Mar 2017 #6
Thanks for this. I've been frogmarch Mar 2017 #23
I think you are absolutely right Raine Norbert9 Mar 2017 #29
Something in the water? stillcool Mar 2017 #7
From Wiki Norbert9 Mar 2017 #9
Same thing happened in Saudi Arabia lapfog_1 Mar 2017 #8
magnitsky has been upgraded to stable condition. mopinko Mar 2017 #10
thanks I have updated Norbert9 Mar 2017 #19
K&R smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #11
K & R ......for visibility.. Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #12
K&R - Fox NC and conservaganda radio should report this sharedvalues Mar 2017 #13
Flynn gave up our double agents Recursion Mar 2017 #14
You May be .. BigOleDummy Mar 2017 #17
Welcome to the fray Big! saidsimplesimon Mar 2017 #22
Reads like a damn James Bond movie. I'm afraid this okieinpain Mar 2017 #15
" .... taken from the room with a sack over head." Botany Mar 2017 #16
An excellent example of how Russia and the Republicans are covering their tracks. Norbert9 Mar 2017 #18
You got to be careful because even doing home repairs can be dangerous. Botany Mar 2017 #20
Botany saidsimplesimon Mar 2017 #24
Hey, he had an accident. Botany Mar 2017 #25
K&R saidsimplesimon Mar 2017 #27
Watch out for snakes SCVDem Mar 2017 #26
Thanks for laying things out so well! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2017 #28
Thanks for posting this-- pretty thought-provoking ailsagirl Mar 2017 #30
Rachel: "We are dealing with something very, very dark with murder at the other end.This is global." Amaryllis Mar 2017 #31

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
3. Manafort saying he will talk -- he wants protection
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:49 AM
Mar 2017
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-330-london-attacks-trump-and-russia-autism-on-sesame-street-kids-climate-change-lawsuit-and-more-1.4035186/a-former-nsa-analyst-says-the-russia-investigations-could-end-donald-trump-s-presidency-1.4035193

Discussing Manafort, Schindler quickly got on a roll.

&quot Manafort) has been exposed as a Putin propagandist who was making $10-million-a-year to shill for Putin in the west."

"And certainly, it appears that Trump knew, in general, about Paul Manafort 's reputation for working for seedy Russians and Ukrainians linked to the Kremlin."

Schindler thinks Manafort may be looking for protection. We spoke moments after Devin Nunes, the House intelligence chairman unexpectedly announced Manafort has volunteered to testify before the committee.

"Paul Manafort is afraid of getting some polonium tea," Schindler says, referring to the poisoning of ex-KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko by Russian agents.


frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
23. Thanks for this. I've been
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:38 AM
Mar 2017

wondering why in the world Manafort agreed to testify. Wanting protection could be it.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
7. Something in the water?
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:58 AM
Mar 2017

I do need to try and comprehend this stuff, but it's not easy. Thanks for the info.

 

Norbert9

(494 posts)
9. From Wiki
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 10:03 AM
Mar 2017
Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko

Alexander Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and KGB, who fled from court prosecution in Russia and received political asylum in the United Kingdom.

On November 1, 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.[1] Litvinenko's allegations about the misdeeds of the FSB and his public deathbed accusations that Russian president Vladimir Putin was behind his unusual malady resulted in worldwide media coverage.[2]

Subsequent investigations by British authorities into the circumstances of Litvinenko's death led to serious diplomatic difficulties between the British and Russian governments.[3] During the 2014–2015 trial the Scotland Yard representative witnessed that "the evidence suggests that the only credible explanation is in one way or another the Russian state is involved in Litvinenko's murder".[4] Another witness stated that Dmitry Kovtun had been speaking openly about the plan to kill Litvinenko that was intended to "set an example" as a punishment for a "traitor".[5] The main suspect in the case, a former officer of the Russian Federal Protective Service (FSO), Andrey Lugovoy, remains in Russia. As a member of the Duma, he now enjoys immunity from prosecution. Before he was elected to the Duma, the British government tried to have him extradited without success.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
8. Same thing happened in Saudi Arabia
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:59 AM
Mar 2017

in the year after 9/11. A number of people who knew too much suddenly met with fatal accidents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_bin_Salman_bin_Abdulaziz_Al_Saud#Death_and_funeral

This guy owned War Emblem, who had won both the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness... he was recalled home just before his horse (the passion of his life) was going to race to win the Triple Crown (the Belmont, and his horse lost). He went back to Saudi Arabia and almost immediately died of a massive heart attack. At least that was the story.

A cousin died in a car "accident" on the way to his funeral.

His brother was the head of Saudi secret police and he, too, died suddenly.

BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
17. You May be ..
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:01 AM
Mar 2017

On to something there! Too bad we don't have any reThuglicans willing to get to the bottom of this. Except maybe Mr. McCain. Yeah , yeah I know ........ but he's the closest thing the "party of Lincoln" has to a REAL patriot these days.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
22. Welcome to the fray Big!
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:36 AM
Mar 2017

The Republican Party is under seige from within. If the dead enders in the Bannon/Conway camp continue to "advise and direct", the leading clown car is going off the cliff.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
16. " .... taken from the room with a sack over head."
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 10:51 AM
Mar 2017

This guy worked on the cyber attack on the US elections

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/27/theres-something-very-weird-happening-inside-russias-cybersecurity-world.html

There’s Something Very Weird Happening Inside Russia’s Cybersecurity World

A series of surprising arrests of some of Russia's top cybersecurity figures has left the international cybersecurity officials and analysts wondering whether Russia is cleaning house of suspected spies, or going through an internal shakeup of the FSB, Russia's national security service.

At some point in December, Ruslan Stoyanov, a well-respected researcher with the Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab, and Sergei Mikhailov, head of the FSB's Center of information Security, were arrested by Russian police as part of what Russia's Kommersant newspaper described as a probe into possible treason. No date of arrest has been made public, though Kommersant reported that Stoyanov last logged into his private social media account on December 4, and Mikhailov on December 5. The Moscow-based Novaya Gazeta newspaper cited sources as saying Mikhailov was arrested during a meeting with other FSB officers in Moscow, and was taken from the room with a sack over his head.

*****
Stone, Manafort, and Flynn better watch out because Vlad Putin Cleans up "old school."

 

Norbert9

(494 posts)
18. An excellent example of how Russia and the Republicans are covering their tracks.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:01 AM
Mar 2017

Russia and the Republicans kind of has a SAD! ring to it, doesn't it?

Botany

(70,501 posts)
20. You got to be careful because even doing home repairs can be dangerous.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:11 AM
Mar 2017

".... accident involving a bathtub installation ....."

Although I think some of the dead were outed by Trump and company
to Putin.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
25. Hey, he had an accident.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:47 AM
Mar 2017


********

And to think tonight on the TV machine will be made up stories of
crimes, spying, murder, and dirty money but none can touch the
real story of Trump and Putin.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. K&R
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:59 AM
Mar 2017

Thank you, Botany

Some in Putin's Russia risk death for what some American's take for granted, a free press and elections without corruption.

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