Malcom Nance on AM Joy: "... looks closer to RICO than treason .... "

[uponit7771]

... and that makes a lot of sense relative to the INFLUENCE, the "I", part in conspiracy.

Also the RICO laws are a lot loser than Treason...


Doubt the Kremlin KKKlan would ever cop to it before Benedict Donald pardons them though

[Chasstev365]

1. RICO??????

[uponit7771]

2. Yeap, the "I" in rico is influence ... there little doubt there's some money laundering going on ...

... so even if it wasn't the election that they influenced it would be the connections to money laundering.

But we can't see that cause we can't see Benedict Donald's taxes

[Chasstev365]

4. Got it!

[zentrum]

32. How can you be a big

.....casino owner and not be laundering money? Still choking over what a pass the MSM gave this thug during the election season.

[Motley13]

6. Racketeer Influenced & Corrupt Organizations Act

passed in 1970

[Chasstev365]

26. Thanks!

[vlyons]

8. Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

[NBachers]

33. Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations- used against gangs and drug organizations.

It can be used as a large net to pull in many members of a criminal organization. I've often said that the entire Republican Party is an enormous continuing RICO criminal enterprise.

Trump has already had RICO charges filed against him in Art Cohen vs. Donald J. Trump, the Trump University case. Unfortunately, this case was settled fro 25 million bucks shortly before the trial was to start. Trump admitted no wrongdoing.

[radical noodle]

3. I love that he believes that whatever is out there will be found

by the intelligence community. RICO, treason, just please find out and get the traitors out of there.

[uponit7771]

5. +1

[ananda]

29. I'm with you, radical noodle!

I don't care what they call it, just get 45 and co. out of office
and put in jail where they belong!

[Thomas Hurt]

7. I have to agree with that.......sort of

I wouldn't dismiss out of hand that Trump or some of his cronies are outright traitors, but from all the dirt that is coming to light, Donnie is a kleptocrat who wants to move up to dictator.

Flynn and Manafort as a start are prime candidates for traitors.

The American citizenry elected an international money launderer. Which of course could be treason in the right circumstance.

He might also have blood on his hands in aiding and abetting political assassination. Again that might rise to treason.

Donnie is far dirtier and corrupt than Clinton was ever accused of being.

[uponit7771]

9. +1, also from listening to Comey they're investigating the "connections" by themselves ... seems lik

... that's enough to bring some charges.

Maybe I'm getting the connections part wrong

[Botany]

10. Nance; Trump is caught and he knows it and is acting "buggy"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028746139

[uponit7771]

11. Yeap, saw that one and he continues to act buggy ... he's quite this morning though

[Botany]

13. I just wonder how wide and deep the treason spread in this coup

McConnell is my A # 1 case. How did he know to wait on picking a
Supreme Court Justice? And did Paul Ryan use data that the Russians
hacked?

BTW Trump saying, "We will never know if Russia hacked our elections."
Tells me all I need to know.

[vlyons]

12. Money laundering from way far back

After Trump's bankruptcies, American banks wouldn't give him loans. So he went to corrupt sources of money in Europe. Having taken and laundered Russian corrupt money in his various projects, treason to buy American influence and bribe politicians was an outcome of his dirty money schemes.

I hope that when all is told about this era, that there will be a great American renaissance for truth, honesty, and integrity of character in our politicians.

[2naSalit]

14. I came to the conclusion that it might be a RICO case

several weeks ago. It's more of an umbrella set of charges that can and should wrangle all perps to justice. Get ready for a dearth of special elections for House and Senate seats as well as the possibility of a general election - not sure how that might come about but I wouldn't argue against it prima facia - because the whole cabal might get ousted which will include many Congresscriters.

[uponit7771]

22. +1

[More_Cowbell]

31. Not a dearth of elections...

I'm hoping for a LOT of elections for replacements.

[gopiscrap]

15. that's what I have been saying

[BumRushDaShow]

16. That's usually the only way they can take out

a criminal "mob" (in this case, the GOP has become that in cahoots with the Russian mob) - "Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations".

18 U.S. Code Chapter 96 - RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 96 › § 1961

18 U.S. Code § 1961 - Definitions

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

As used in this chapter—

(1) “racketeering activity” means (A) any act or threat involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act), which is chargeable under State law and punishable by imprisonment for more than one year; (B) any act which is indictable under any of the following provisions of title 18, United States Code: Section 201 (relating to bribery), section 224 (relating to sports bribery), sections 471, 472, and 473 (relating to counterfeiting), section 659 (relating to theft from interstate shipment) if the act indictable under section 659 is felonious, section 664 (relating to embezzlement from pension and welfare funds), sections 891–894 (relating to extortionate credit transactions), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents), section 1029 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices), section 1084 (relating to the transmission of gambling information), section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), section 1343 (relating to wire fraud), section 1344 (relating to financial institution fraud), section 1351 (relating to fraud in foreign labor contracting), section 1425 (relating to the procurement of citizenship or nationalization unlawfully), section 1426 (relating to the reproduction of naturalization or citizenship papers), section 1427 (relating to the sale of naturalization or citizenship papers), sections 1461–1465 (relating to obscene matter), section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512 (relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1513 (relating to retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1542 (relating to false statement in application and use of passport), section 1543 (relating to forgery or false use of passport), section 1544 (relating to misuse of passport), section 1546 (relating to fraud and misuse of visas, permits, and other documents), sections 1581–1592 (relating to peonage, slavery, and trafficking in persons).,[1] sections 1831 and 1832 (relating to economic espionage and theft of trade secrets), section 1951 (relating to interference with commerce, robbery, or extortion), section 1952 (relating to racketeering), section 1953 (relating to interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia), section 1954 (relating to unlawful welfare fund payments), section 1955 (relating to the prohibition of illegal gambling businesses), section 1956 (relating to the laundering of monetary instruments), section 1957 (relating to engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity), section 1958 (relating to use of interstate commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire), section 1960 (relating to illegal money transmitters), sections 2251, 2251A, 2252, and 2260 (relating to sexual exploitation of children), sections 2312 and 2313 (relating to interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles), sections 2314 and 2315 (relating to interstate transportation of stolen property), section 2318 (relating to trafficking in counterfeit labels for phonorecords, computer programs or computer program documentation or packaging and copies of motion pictures or other audiovisual works), section 2319 (relating to criminal infringement of a copyright), section 2319A (relating to unauthorized fixation of and trafficking in sound recordings and music videos of live musical performances), section 2320 (relating to trafficking in goods or services bearing counterfeit marks), section 2321 (relating to trafficking in certain motor vehicles or motor vehicle parts), sections 2341–2346 (relating to trafficking in contraband cigarettes), sections 2421–24 (relating to white slave traffic), sections 175–178 (relating to biological weapons), sections 229–229F (relating to chemical weapons), section 831 (relating to nuclear materials), (C) any act which is indictable under title 29, United States Code, section 186 (dealing with restrictions on payments and loans to labor organizations) or section 501(c) (relating to embezzlement from union funds), (D) any offense involving fraud connected with a case under title 11 (except a case under section 157 of this title), fraud in the sale of securities, or the felonious manufacture, importation, receiving, concealment, buying, selling, or otherwise dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act), punishable under any law of the United States, (E) any act which is indictable under the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act, (F) any act which is indictable under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 274 (relating to bringing in and harboring certain aliens), section 277 (relating to aiding or assisting certain aliens to enter the United States), or section 278 (relating to importation of alien for immoral purpose) if the act indictable under such section of such Act was committed for the purpose of financial gain, or (G) any act that is indictable under any provision listed in section 2332b(g)(5)(B);

<...>

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1961

[democrank]

18. Thanks for this informative reply, BumRush

Appreciated

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I think going with RICO

is definitely the easiest route... Although am not sure who could initiate that given that Beauregard ditched all the US Attorneys... but then much of this would happen within a Grand Jury to bring about any indictments. That process might nibble around the edges and spook some who are participating on the fringe, to turn "state's witness" in order to get immunity and go for bigger fish.

If anything does shake out and is actually allowed to proceed (which for now seems unlikely but maybe that will change), expect all sorts of requests for immunity.

[uponit7771]

23. +1, seems RICO is umbrella and treason is too specific

[democrank]

17. Nance is like a cool, refreshing watering hole after you've crawled across the desert.

I tend to agree with him on RICO.

[delisen]

19. Rico allow for seizing assets?

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Apparently it does

18 U.S. Code Chapter 96 - RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 96 › § 1963

18 U.S. Code § 1963 - Criminal penalties

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a) Whoever violates any provision of section 1962 of this chapter shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years (or for life if the violation is based on a racketeering activity for which the maximum penalty includes life imprisonment), or both, and shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law—

(1) any interest the person has acquired or maintained in violation of section 1962;
(2) any—

(A) interest in;
(B) security of;
(C) claim against; or
(D) property or contractual right of any kind affording a source of influence over;
any enterprise which the person has established, operated, controlled, conducted, or participated in the conduct of, in violation of section 1962; and

(3) any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds which the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from racketeering activity or unlawful debt collection in violation of section 1962.
The court, in imposing sentence on such person shall order, in addition to any other sentence imposed pursuant to this section, that the person forfeit to the United States all property described in this subsection. In lieu of a fine otherwise authorized by this section, a defendant who derives profits or other proceeds from an offense may be fined not more than twice the gross profits or other proceeds.

(b) Property subject to criminal forfeiture under this section includes—

(1) real property, including things growing on, affixed to, and found in land; and
(2) tangible and intangible personal property, including rights, privileges, interests, claims, and securities.

(c) All right, title, and interest in property described in subsection (a) vests in the United States upon the commission of the act giving rise to forfeiture under this section. Any such property that is subsequently transferred to a person other than the defendant may be the subject of a special verdict of forfeiture and thereafter shall be ordered forfeited to the United States, unless the transferee establishes in a hearing pursuant to subsection (l) that he is a bona fide purchaser for value of such property who at the time of purchase was reasonably without cause to believe that the property was subject to forfeiture under this section.

<...>

More at link: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1963

[crazylikafox]

25. So let's seize that damn TRUMP plane

gold plated toilets & all

[MedusaX]

24. Asset Seizure + fines+ prison time for each offense

45's greatest fear would be to lose his assets...

However, the flip side of 45's greatest fear is that he likely believes that the ultimate form of revenge would be to cause one's "enemies" to lose their assets.....

I would not rule out the very real possibility that 45 is the mole in the administration.......

I hope that he isn't....

[cstanleytech]

27. I have wondered for awhile why there hasnt been a push by the Democrats to go

after the Repugnants via the RICO laws.
I mean surely there is bound to be a money trail they could follow if they pushed it?

[Dan]

28. Please share with me

Anything that seems to indicate that the Donald cares about anyone else, aside from himself and family.

My read on the Donald, is that he might and probably would pardon his family (not sure about the son-in-law), but no one else.

My read on the Donald is that if he is going to do time, face impeachment and the shame that comes from those actions - then everyone else is going to go down with him. My read is thata if they couldn't protect him from these aforementioned issues - then his way of thinking is that they should also go down.

My opinion.

[Amaryllis]

30. Even if it's RICO, working with RUssia to influence election is still treason? Or is it only treason

if he is already pres? But there is more and more coming out about current Russian involvement so that would be treason if Don & co are coordinating with Russia.