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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWant to know why that Meeting with Merkel and Trump was frosty...?
Link to tweet
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-dismisses-white-houses-intimidating-300bn-bill-for-defence-dl7dk629k
Donald Trump handed the German chancellor Angela Merkel a bill thought to be for more than £300bn for money her country owed Nato for defending it when they met last weekend, German government sources have revealed.
The bill handed over during private talks in Washington was described as outrageous by one German minister.
The concept behind putting out such demands is to intimidate the other side, but the chancellor took it calmly and will not respond to such provocations, the minister said.
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What a complete asshole.
Botany
(70,449 posts)The bill is just window dressing. And BTW Trump complaining about
a bill not being paid? Please! How many people has he screwed by
not paying them?
janterry
(4,429 posts)point
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)This POS is seriously just a Putin tool.
Botany
(70,449 posts)Michael Morrell, a former acting director of the Central Intelligence Agency, broke dramatically with the protocol of most ex-spies when he used spook parlance to describe Republican nominee Donald Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation, albeit in the course of endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.
The colloquial term for the sort of person Morrell was talking about is useful idiot, someone enlisted in the Kremlins cause through sympathy, or shared interests, or, indeed, ignorance, without actually intending to be a pawn. But, as Putin certainly knows, the problem with useful idiots is that they tend to be insecure and erratic, whereas witting agents are tutored in how to be disciplined and self-controlled.
Trump is too illogical and self-contradictory to be of much use to a hostile foreign power except as a naturally occurring battering ram against the very institutions and beliefs that power would like to see weakened or destroyed. Trumps opponent (whom Putin assuredly does not want to see inhabit the White House) and U.S. democracy at large are the truer objects of a Russian state-run information and cyber-espionage program. That Trumps vulgar and demoralizing campaign is ripping apart America on the path to making it great again is simply an added bonus for the former KGB colonel.
jmowreader
(50,532 posts)There is nothing "unwitting" about Trump's agenthood.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)which Trump doesn't understand.
Yes, in Russian.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)iluvtennis
(19,835 posts)Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)Is a hypocrite?... I mean it isn't as though he'd make a big fuss about stopping Companies from shipping jobs out of the country and even bringing jobs back, while he owns factories spread around 9 other countries himself.
... Oh. Wait/
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)he just wets his diapers when he is around a powerful, well respected woman, not dressed like a barbie doll.
Merkel is so far above him in world respect, and self respect, that even he has to admit, she is in another universe. He just did all he could to insult her. Boorish barbarian.
Arkansas Granny
(31,507 posts)uncomfortable and ill at ease as Trump did in that meeting. Even he realized that is an asshole move.
janterry
(4,429 posts)he's such an embarrassment. If I were European - I'd be handing around a petition encouraging people to not visit the US.
But I'm an American, and this is humiliating.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)them his own version of that petition.
As per her first phone call with Cheato, when she schooled him on our obligation to admit a certain number of refugees, she should have countered with a bill for all the refugee admissions we owe, since Germany has done more than its fair share on that.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)Yesterday I Skyped with my exchange son in Austria. We had been planning for his girlfriend and him to visit the USA next year. They have decided to visit New Zealand instead. Maybe they'll visit us in 2019 or 2020.
Absolutely no hard feelings. On their part. Or mine.
I just hope there's something left to visit by that time!
tblue37
(65,227 posts)author Mem Fox, I imagine they have been hearing endless horror stories about how ordinary visitors are treated on arrival at US airports.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/awful-childrens-author-mem-fox-on-being-detained-at-los-angeles-airport-20170228-gunpga
snip
The popular children's author said she'd never seen people treated so terribly in her life.
"I saw an elderly Iranian woman shouted at at full volume," she said.
"The treatment of people in that room while i was there, which I observed, made me ashamed."
Fox has visited the US more than 100 times prior to her "awful" ordeal.
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ProfessorGAC
(64,877 posts)And she does something very evil for a living. She writes books!
tblue37
(65,227 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)What a jerk...
demmiblue
(36,824 posts)I tried a few key words, but didn't come up with anything.
This seems like something Trump would have bragged about to impress his brain dead followers.
President Trump on Saturday followed up what he called a "great" meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel by blasting her country for what he said were unpaid bills for NATO defense.
On Twitter, Trump reiterated a point he made at his joint news conference Friday with Merkel that many NATO nations owe money to the alliance and the U.S. because they haven't paid their fair share.
This time, he chastised Germany for not paying enough "for the powerful, and very expensive, defense" NATO and the U.S. provide.
Trump didn't single out Germany for NATO bills as he stood next to Merkel and addressed reporters' questions on Friday at a news conference in which he also doubled down on his unsubstantiated accusations that President Obama had ordered surveillance of him during the 2016 campaign.
"Many nations owe vast sums of money from past years, and it is very unfair to the United States," Trump said. "These nations must pay what they owe."
He then thanked Merkel for Germany's commitment to increase its defense spending.
Merkel said Germany had increased its defense spending by 8% last year and was committed to reaching NATO's goal for each member nation to spend 2% of total economic output on defense by 2024.
demmiblue
(36,824 posts)The bill handed over during private talks in Washington was described as outrageous by one German minister.
This makes it seem as if he actually handed her a bill. It could also be metaphorical, I guess.
Thank you, though.
Donkees
(31,344 posts)demmiblue
(36,824 posts)raccoon
(31,105 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)say you're a big family and one of you has been very successful and has loads of cash. You lose a loved one, a mother, a father, a sister or a brother and this one asshole wants to go all out on funeral services. The most expensive casket, flower arrangement etc and everyone has agreed prior to this the family would split the cost down evenly between them. Thousands of dollars ain't shit to him but to the rest of the family its more than they can afford.
Just because America wants to run around the world controlling all things/beings, controllable, doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the world wants to do the same. Hell we spend more on 'war' toys and 'war' than the rest of the world combined. Mind you 99 percent of it is to protect our own interest, our own companies who btw are doing bad things to many of the peoples of the world.
tRump is a crazy man and needs a big ass knot jerked in his ass. IMHO
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)Fox will again tell their viewers what a genius move this is.
Trump playing nth dimensional chess. Problem is he's playing all by his lonesome. His credibility on international stage does not exist.Just like Putin ,his only real weapon is military threat.Congress holds the pursestrings.
bhusar
(131 posts)And see Spicy spin it and then Donald tweet about it as "fake news"
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)Where does he go when every media outlet is fake news ? Brietbart ? National Enquirer ?
MaeScott
(878 posts)@NoDrama999 @PhibesVibes NATO MEMBERS don't "pay". @POTUS does not know how it works. Members pay 2% towards their own military. No joint bank account to pay into.
lol
Demit
(11,238 posts)mtngirl47
(987 posts)will not be practiced in the Trump administration.
Instead, he will practice being the Ugly American---loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless, ignorant, and ethnocentric.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And hasn't backed down yet.
She is no shrinking violet, besides being about 100 times smarter than Trump. One of the many things that makes him so embarrassing to have as the president is his assumption that he is smarter than everyone else. It is just mortifying to watch him make an ass out of himself in front of foreign leaders, while he thinks that he has really shown them.
By the way, what is that amazing critter in your sig line?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Eerie, isn't it?
potone
(1,701 posts)mnmoderatedem
(3,722 posts)could this guy possibly be more embarrassing to this country??
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)And I'm sure he can become more embarrassing, just give him a chance, lol
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Hysterical!
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)volstork
(5,399 posts)because I'm afraid the answer is YES.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)She has too much class to tell him to shove it. Notice she still held the high ground during the press photos. The only person in that twosome who was frosty was Dolt45. He doesn't know how to react when he's ignored, which to him is the same as someone laughing in his face.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)Chancellor Merkel is now the leader of the free world.
Meanwhile, the SCROTUS is the laughing-stock of the free world.
Elections have consequences.
randome
(34,845 posts)Other leaders will be less dependent on the U.S. as they step up to fill the void. Even if that's only in terms of a country's level of self-confidence, that's a good thing. I don't care about our monetary support where it's needed.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
BigOleDummy
(2,268 posts)She's a class act for sure.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)When is that bill due?
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)BigOleDummy
(2,268 posts)I'm afraid we'll be seeing the bill's due date sooner than we anticipate. Putin's cleaning house these days (what , 9 dead so far is it?) and that has to have the traitor's in the executive branch and the upper levels of the rethugican party sweating.
madokie
(51,076 posts)and putin is calling it in now. tRump is delivering all he can get his grubby 'little' hands on as fast as his grubby 'little' hands can grab any.
He knows that the russians play for keeps
He knew that when he became indebted to him and that fear is what drives his every waking moment. Hell he can't even get a good nights sleep for the nightmares it brings. Evidenced by this 3 am golden throne chats
Left-over
(234 posts)The drumpf foreign policy just looks so small and petty following the years of our policies being delivered by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry with Barack Obama's solid leadership.
hlthe2b
(102,141 posts)Angry, and ....
Words no longer adequately convey my feelings...
Sorceress
(309 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)"Amateur hour" doesn't do this justice
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)our new best friends.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)...now where did Dtrumpf get this idea????......who did he consult before doing this?
or did he consult anyone???...Pray Tell.....................
Isn't Germany one of our best allies/friends?....Why pull a stunt like that without some warning??''
Trump is not just an asshole...in additioin...he is a stupid asshole........and..........
He makes the rest of us look brilliant..The emperor really has no clothes ...and now everyone knows it...
He is truly a dunce,,,that is what he is....
.and of course..thank you for reading... Now.........we are
all brilliant compared to Don the Dunce............
spanone
(135,795 posts)dawg
(10,621 posts)do you really want to see a re-militarized Germany?
BigOleDummy
(2,268 posts)Lol, a good thought there. (and I love your signature btw!)
DrDan
(20,411 posts)JHB
(37,157 posts)...a sewage treatment plant upwind of a gin distillery.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)bannon, on the other hand, would like nothing more than to disrupt these alliances
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,766 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They don't understand diplomacy.
If a bill is sent, it should be sent by a govt agency or dept, in the mail or personal delivery to an ambassador, at a later time. You DON'T insult Merkel by personally handing a bill, with no discussion or negotiation or explanation. How insulting! It's inappropriate for a President to get involved in account receivable.
Demit
(11,238 posts)The member nations pledge to spend on their own defense. They don't "pay a bill."
weissmam
(905 posts)but hey Drump would be lucky if he had half a brain
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)Acting out Scrofulous Steve's little stunt on the world stage.
What a bunch of insane, clueless assholes.
DFW
(54,302 posts)"Erwartet dieser Schwachkopf wirklich, daß ich mich dadurch provozieren lasse?"
(Does this dimwit really expect me to let myself be provoked by this?)
PoliticalPie
(37 posts)as President, why?
lark
(23,065 posts)Anytime he gets to dog, intimidate, make fun of a woman is good time for the orange hate filled misogynist. Germany is Russia's biggest foe, so Pootie said he had to diss her and he proceeded to be mean and dismissive in public and private. He's doing his best to destroy our relationship with Germany, France and even Britain so we won't stand together against Russia anymore. Everything he does is for the good of Russia and destruction of us and NATO.
raccoon
(31,105 posts)she should have said to him. Of course, she's got too much class for that. But it was the response he deserved.
Maraya1969
(22,464 posts)Does she have a Twitter account? Would be great if a bunch of people apologized for our insensitive, greedy and destructive #45
Motley13
(3,867 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)MrPurple
(985 posts)McCain and other Republicans who care about Trump colluding w/ Putin to damage NATO need to speak out.
Beartracks
(12,801 posts)Who made Trump NATO's accountant (in his own mind, of course).
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wryter2000
(46,023 posts)He needs to be muzzled
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)"Hey, nice little country you got there Angela. Germany, Right?
Real nice. All them tulips and windmills and whatnot you'z got?
That's real nice.
It'd be shame if, you know, something was to HAPPEN TO IT, yahknowhatimean?
Tell ya what, you pay dis little marker here, we'll keep ya ... ya know ... protected!
Then you can fuggedaboutit ... you'll have no troubles, none at all
But on the other hand ... if you don't pay up ... well ... who's to say what might happen?
Like I say, it could be a real shame. People could get hurt.
You follow?"
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Was it done in crayon?
Kath2
(3,074 posts)Was dealing with an ignorant, rude asshole.
lpbk2713
(42,742 posts)Trump would crap his drawers if he was told he had 90 days to get completely out of Germany.