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kpete

(71,901 posts)
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 07:23 AM Mar 2017

Kushner and Trump: Taped At Secret Trump Tower Meetings With Russians?

I believe that Jared Kushner is on tape talking to a Russian spy. Worse, I believe that as part of entirely legal and admissible FISA evidence, Donald Trump is also on tape talking to a Russian spy about money laundering.

Here is my reasoning. First,the facts. I reported that two Russian banks, SVB Bank and Alfa Bank, were the subjects, the named targets, of the FISA warrant looking at Russian money being laundered into the Trump campaign. This was a world exclusive on November 7th.

Permission was granted for the FBI to look at intercepts that involved US persons as they related to this campaign / money laundering.

Boris Epshteyn was named in an earlier version of this case to the court, and the warrant was then denied. But it is not a different case; rather, minimization was applied by the FBI before the warrant was granted.

Those are the facts of the matter on the warrant. It is also factually true that Jeff Sessions met with Kislyak, a spy recruiter, and perjured himself over it. It is further factually true that Jared Kushner snuck Kislyak into Trump Tower. Lastly, it is factually true that Jared Kushner met Gorkov, an FSB spy, at the request of Kislyak,



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Kushner and Trump: Taped At Secret Trump Tower Meetings With Russians? (Original Post) kpete Mar 2017 OP
Excellent post! It is all fitting together like a puzzle. skylucy Mar 2017 #1
The Preposterous President and His Foolish Family. GeorgeGist Mar 2017 #2
Kushner and Trump: Taped At Secret Trump Tower Meetings With Russians - SPECULATION by L.Mensch L. Coyote Mar 2017 #3
But Hillary uranium! superpatriotman Mar 2017 #4
What if? Loge23 Mar 2017 #5
And yet, Ryan announced his still has faith in Nunes. JudyM Mar 2017 #9
Ryan & tRump depend on Nunes to stall/derail the investigation. I think all 3 are fools. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #19
Calling them fools is one of the kindest things we could call them, really, eh? JudyM Mar 2017 #25
Louise Mensch has been an outstanding source NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #17
Unless the Rs can just make it go away get the red out Mar 2017 #26
I can see Trump in prison claiming he was right about Obama illegally tapping his phones, tclambert Mar 2017 #6
In the article, she writes this about Trump PJMcK Mar 2017 #27
She got that right about him being "galactically stupid" and garbling things. tclambert Mar 2017 #29
Duplicate thread Orrex Mar 2017 #7
How reliable is this source? Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #8
One thing to consider. yallerdawg Mar 2017 #12
There are reliable British sources, that's a fact. But is this one of them? Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #13
The world is mesmerized by our stupidity. Even Putin! yallerdawg Mar 2017 #18
It is very reliable, witnesses seen, be phone calls on tape. DK504 Mar 2017 #14
She should be a pretty good source NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #21
She who? I'm not seeing a byline on the patribotics blog. Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #23
Louise Mensch. Follow her on twitter - she's a gas! nt GliderGuider Mar 2017 #24
She was a horrible MP in the UK. Kentonio Mar 2017 #30
Google her and you will find out. nt m-lekktor Mar 2017 #35
Funny, since the original post points to a blog w/o byline. Xipe Totec Mar 2017 #36
...and if true, now what? Loge23 Mar 2017 #10
I don't recognize this source at all. MineralMan Mar 2017 #11
Louise Mensch - seems like she has some really good intel connections womanofthehills Mar 2017 #15
Louise Mensch writes it. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #20
She is being trolled hard by fake Twitter accounts and detractors out to discredit her wishstar Mar 2017 #37
WHOA!!!! OldRedneck Mar 2017 #16
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. :) Just because you're a Amaryllis Mar 2017 #31
There you have it Achilleaze Mar 2017 #32
I love that "unhinged British witch"! She's a "textbook succubus"... GliderGuider Mar 2017 #22
She's a conservative who is happy about Brexit... Satch59 Mar 2017 #28
Wow - so now it is fact that Epshteyn was the subject of the 1st warrant? jmg257 Mar 2017 #33
This is a big fucking deal. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #34

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
5. What if?
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 08:51 AM
Mar 2017

If any of this article is true, then we're looking at the deepest and most egregious scandal in American government history.
This will shake the foundation of our country.
We're truly at a major sea change here.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
17. Louise Mensch has been an outstanding source
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:28 AM
Mar 2017

for a lot of these revelations - she's a former MP in the UK with connections to the intelligence community.

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
6. I can see Trump in prison claiming he was right about Obama illegally tapping his phones,
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 08:55 AM
Mar 2017

still not grasping the distinction that someone else's phones were tapped--Russian operatives--and they happened to catch Donald on the other end of some calls. Donald will claim that's the same as them tapping his phone. And the FBI doing the wiretapping under a FISA warrant? Well, Obama was President at the time. And Trump will think all of this is unfair to him, which is pretty close to illegal, right? Therefore, in Trump logic, Obama did illegally tap Trump's phones, QED.

His last tweet before incarceration: "Bad" judge sending me to prison. Biased big leeg. His family came from "foreign" country. You know what I'm talking about. Unjust!

PJMcK

(21,921 posts)
27. In the article, she writes this about Trump
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:29 AM
Mar 2017

"Trump garbled this because he is galactically stupid."

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
29. She got that right about him being "galactically stupid" and garbling things.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:09 PM
Mar 2017

When he hears or reads things, he only seems to catch an occasional word here or there. Complete thoughts escape him. The voices in his head must be too loud and distracting.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
12. One thing to consider.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:19 AM
Mar 2017

Her British and international sources are not under any US restrictions and legalities.

Where some of it may be 'speculation' and even 'fake news dissembling,' there is a good chance she is getting intelligence information from sources that have no association or trust with US media.

In other words, "If you want the truth about America, ask the British."

Xipe Totec

(43,872 posts)
13. There are reliable British sources, that's a fact. But is this one of them?
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:22 AM
Mar 2017

Just because it's British, doesn't make it so.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
14. It is very reliable, witnesses seen, be phone calls on tape.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:22 AM
Mar 2017

That whole dispectable sect of American terrorists are still in the WH, why?

Long peiece on Rachel's show connecting some of the dots, very scary.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
21. She should be a pretty good source
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:34 AM
Mar 2017

She is a former MP in the UK and won praise for grilling Murdoch during phone hacking scandal several years ago, even though she was a member of the conservative party.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
10. ...and if true, now what?
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 09:57 AM
Mar 2017

I was thinking of the predicament that Director Comey may find himself in now - along with the rest of us.
If he has credible support for indictments, where does he go with this?
The republicans have shown that they are totally in the tank for this administration when it comes to this investigation. Ryan should have removed Nunes last week, and yet there is nothing to suggest that he is close to this decision.
He can't go to the DOJ - Sessions is totally tainted.
If he goes to Schiff, he may be leery of partisan backlash, particularly if the R's stonewall this.

We're in unchartered waters here.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
11. I don't recognize this source at all.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:01 AM
Mar 2017

Who writes this anonymous blog? It appears to have been around only since January of this year, and I can't find anything about who the author is. So, how am I supposed to judge the accuracy of the information posted there?

womanofthehills

(8,584 posts)
15. Louise Mensch - seems like she has some really good intel connections
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:23 AM
Mar 2017

She wrote the above article last night. She was on Bill Maher a few nights ago if you google - very smart with some excellent connections to someone.

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

You gotta get with the Twitter!!

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
20. Louise Mensch writes it.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:30 AM
Mar 2017

She's posted one article authored by another contributor, whom she named.

Accurate? I know she scooped the FISA warrant story back in early November, which implies that she has some good intel sources. She speculates, and always acknowledges it when she does.

I read her regularly, and follow her twitter feed. Others won't, largely because they disagree with her conservative politics. I like her take-no-prisoners approach, and her sense of humour.

It's a blog...make of it what you will. Blogs don't matter nearly as much as Congressional committees and independent prosecutors.

wishstar

(5,267 posts)
37. She is being trolled hard by fake Twitter accounts and detractors out to discredit her
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 09:25 PM
Mar 2017

Definitely some panicking over her increasing popularity. Anyone googling her needs to be careful to find her verified twitter, rather than the fake ones that are busily trying to make her look like a total lunatic conspiracy theorist.

Ironic how she seems so astounded over the way nearly every Repub is obstructing and denying the Trump/Russian connections and that they could be so unpatriotic,. while we Americans have witnessed their lockstep obstruction and dishonest lack of patriotism for over 8 years now.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
16. WHOA!!!!
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:27 AM
Mar 2017

I just read the original article at patriotics.blog. That article has links to other articles, on both that blog and other sources.

After about an hour of reading, I can some to only one conclusion: Trump and his family are in bed with the Russians because they are up to their necks in debt to Russian sources of money, most of which is laundered through banks. This explains:
-- why he will not release his tax returns
-- why he is so soft on Putin

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut, but, it's becoming more and more clear we have a President who is controlled by a foreign power.

Read Gary Kasparov "Winter Is Coming."

Amaryllis

(9,523 posts)
31. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. :) Just because you're a
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 04:44 PM
Mar 2017

conspiracy nut doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy. Seriously, this goes way
beyond anything John LeCarre ever wrote, or Tom Clancy, or any of those other conspiracy novelists, or screen writers, EVER wrote.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
22. I love that "unhinged British witch"! She's a "textbook succubus"...
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:39 AM
Mar 2017

Who scares the living shit out of people on the wrong side of this scandal.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
28. She's a conservative who is happy about Brexit...
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 12:07 PM
Mar 2017

So I think that lends more credibility to her? She did scoop the FISA story and this blog entry is really scary...and she seems correct when calling Trump and Nunes galacticly stupid... Seems Jared is also if he was thinking he'd get away with sneaking the Russian embassador into Trump tower and didn't know the VEB bank was sanctioned...

This is not going away...and the more voices out there the better. Malcolm Nance (my spy crush...) has also called so much of this back in July with his book...

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
33. Wow - so now it is fact that Epshteyn was the subject of the 1st warrant?
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 04:55 PM
Mar 2017

And it wasn't Fox News OR Mark Levin who told trump he/his team were indeed being survielled, but a WH attorney with intel access?

And meetings at trump tower were taped and the intel kept on US persons as part of counter-intelligence or criminal investigations?

And a FISA warrant based on a computer server and 2 foreign banks could be stretched to include taping US persons at private meetings?



No wonder this shit is classified!

What a clusterfuck.

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