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She has a PhD, they're college dropouts.... (Original Post) Panich52 Mar 2017 OP
They's smart, just ain't book smart! LOL I actually heard a guy say that about himself not brewens Mar 2017 #1
WOW!! I always thought she was smart. Now I know for sure. Doreen Mar 2017 #2
She was the first ever openly gay Rhodes Scholar. ms liberty Mar 2017 #15
Add Chuck Todd to the list of dropouts. n/t demmiblue Mar 2017 #3
Oh but he does play the french horn ! YOHABLO Mar 2017 #44
And Weasel Walker EOM elfin Mar 2017 #52
I wouldn't say merely having a PhD means one is smart mythology Mar 2017 #4
I know a PhD who's a huge RW Limbaugh fan. Dave Starsky Mar 2017 #6
It's possible to smart/clever but not wise. For example tRump Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #31
I always figured the testing for grad school, Ilsa Mar 2017 #32
RE: ...are very, very smart at a very specific thing TransitJohn Mar 2017 #36
Not sure about that. Maybe depends on the field. Lucky Luciano Mar 2017 #38
Not to mention Robert Mercer is a true genius too in his field. Lucky Luciano Mar 2017 #37
I work with a PhD who thinks things are politically normal n/t hibbing Mar 2017 #13
Another distinction that sets her apart, Control-Z Mar 2017 #16
Many super-intelligent people have no common sense. Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #23
Everyone has their own definition of common sense... Blanks Mar 2017 #34
Common sense is not so common. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2017 #41
Devil's Advocate. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #5
Though it'd be Dr. Wiener, not Savage n/t mwooldri Mar 2017 #8
You've made a simple joke accurate. Now it's finally funny. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #14
Bill Kristol has his Ph.D. Alan Keyes has a Harvard doctorate. George Will has his Ph.D. DrDan Mar 2017 #19
True. But none of them have the audiences that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck have -- or Rachel. pnwmom Mar 2017 #20
This only makes them more appealing to their followers. progressoid Mar 2017 #7
Don't forget lesbian n/t TexasBushwhacker Mar 2017 #10
+1 progressoid Mar 2017 #28
Martini drinker in her case vanlassie Mar 2017 #22
That's even worse! progressoid Mar 2017 #30
James Bond doesn't drink Martinis. Mr.Bill Mar 2017 #42
And never, ever shake a martini!!!! longship Mar 2017 #59
I like mine very dry. Mr.Bill Mar 2017 #60
That's called a "perfect martini" longship Mar 2017 #61
Rush Limbaugh graduated from Bullshit U luvMIdog Mar 2017 #9
Education turns people into triggered snowflakes IronLionZion Mar 2017 #11
Only the bad books. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #27
I'm a college dropout who supports the Doctor MrScorpio Mar 2017 #12
Oh but that makes her suspect. rivegauche Mar 2017 #17
Bill Gates dropped out of college after only two years. George II Mar 2017 #18
Well I also have a Ph.D. in Poly Sigh . . FairWinds Mar 2017 #21
Rachel is a real gem! I remember her describing her first radio job, with her boss-to-be first Akamai Mar 2017 #24
Akamai Johni Imtiaz Mar 2017 #62
Revolt of the masses. Ernest Partridge Mar 2017 #25
I love the Rachel Maddow show Gothmog Mar 2017 #26
beat him to it! mikeysnot Mar 2017 #29
Well done! pinboy3niner Mar 2017 #33
Thanks! mikeysnot Mar 2017 #35
Bravo Panich52 Mar 2017 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author YOHABLO Mar 2017 #39
Rachel is so down to earth, would never know she has PhD and Oxford on top of that...wow! iluvtennis Mar 2017 #40
Rachel is also Mr.Bill Mar 2017 #43
+1 dhol82 Mar 2017 #48
Ben Carson is a doctor. LakeArenal Mar 2017 #45
An MD paleotn Mar 2017 #65
I have been listening to Dr. Maddow since 2004... tallahasseedem Mar 2017 #46
LOVED Air America! dhol82 Mar 2017 #49
Same here! tallahasseedem Mar 2017 #54
I still remember Randi going apeshit about that elelction dhol82 Mar 2017 #58
Not to mention Limbaugh the big anti drug talker turned out to also be a drug addict himself. cstanleytech Mar 2017 #50
Regardless of degree... dchill Mar 2017 #51
found the url for the rachel ph.d meme trueblue2007 Mar 2017 #53
I believe many conservatives Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2017 #55
The earning of a degree also imparts some wisdom. VOX Mar 2017 #64
I agree Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2017 #68
Several years back Trump said he could lead the republicans because they are stupid. keithbvadu2 Mar 2017 #56
brb gotta go retweet somethin Maraya1969 Mar 2017 #57
Like Rachel. Hate Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh. Hate this meme. aikoaiko Mar 2017 #63
+1M (nt) TacoD Mar 2017 #66
But...but... intelligence... education radical noodle Mar 2017 #67

brewens

(13,517 posts)
1. They's smart, just ain't book smart! LOL I actually heard a guy say that about himself not
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:17 AM
Mar 2017

too many years ago. I'd have to let it slide with him. He can do a lot of things. He just probably hasn't read a book since he was forced to in school.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
4. I wouldn't say merely having a PhD means one is smart
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:33 AM
Mar 2017

I've met more than one PhD who was an idiot in their own field.

Granted this doesn't apply to Rachel Maddow, but I think it's simplistic and inaccurate to say that having one degree or another means being smarter than those who don't. After all Tom Price and Ben Carson are doctors too.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
6. I know a PhD who's a huge RW Limbaugh fan.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:47 AM
Mar 2017

She has her doctorate in statistics, of all things.

Having a PhD means you are very, very smart at a very specific thing. I suppose it also implies that you have above-average persistence and/or reading/math skills. But you can have years of advanced education under your belt and still be a bonehead. Remember that Ben Carson is a fucking neurosurgeon, for crying out loud.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,925 posts)
31. It's possible to smart/clever but not wise. For example tRump
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 02:12 PM
Mar 2017

David Frum tweet:  ? "Regular reminder that Donald Trump’s core competency is not dealmaking with powerful counter-parties. It is duping gullible victims."

Ilsa

(61,687 posts)
32. I always figured the testing for grad school,
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 02:18 PM
Mar 2017

Like the GRE, etc, implied some higher abilities with regards to analytical skills, math, language, etc. And I think you are right, that persistence, diligence, maybe playing some academic politics, as well as knowledge of a particular subject, can lead one to earn a PhD. I think college helps a person learn to think critically. I like that a degree is something you earn that cannot ever be taken away.

Dr. Maddow is brilliant. Over and over, she shows such depth in her analysis and search for objective truth.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
36. RE: ...are very, very smart at a very specific thing
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 03:21 PM
Mar 2017

NOT NECESSARILY!!

Speaking from experience, it only means that you were willing to work hard and grind it out for a few years.

Lucky Luciano

(11,247 posts)
37. Not to mention Robert Mercer is a true genius too in his field.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 04:34 PM
Mar 2017

He is a pioneer in speech recognition technology, artificial intelligence, and quant trading. Nobody outside of his fund has come close to replicating the returns that Renaissance does and thousands of math PhDs and scientists are definitely trying!

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
16. Another distinction that sets her apart,
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:15 PM
Mar 2017

Rachel is a Rhodes Scholar. There really is no question that she's smarter than most.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
23. Many super-intelligent people have no common sense.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:59 PM
Mar 2017

It is like their brains only had so much room and over compensated one area and shorted another.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
34. Everyone has their own definition of common sense...
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 02:25 PM
Mar 2017

Which is why I put absolutely no stock in any one person's claim that they have (and someone else lacks) common sense.

The perfect example is Trump's insistence before the final ruling on his first 'Muslim ban'. He said "anyone with common sense knows that it's ok" (obvious paraphrase, but he used the phrase common sense).

I know stupid educated people, and I know smart uneducated people, but I attribute it to their intellectual capabilities. Whether a person gets an education or not has more to do with the resources that are available to them than it has to do with common (or any other kind of) sense.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,128 posts)
5. Devil's Advocate.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:37 AM
Mar 2017

Mark Levin has a legal degree.

Michael Savage has a PhD.

That's not to disagree with the original premise--that Rachel Maddow is smart and Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck are less so--but let's not draw false conclusions here.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. You've made a simple joke accurate. Now it's finally funny.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:14 PM
Mar 2017

You've made a simple joke accurate. Now it's finally funny.

No... Devil's Advocates argue against the relevant and the established, Wet Rags merely make jokes accurate.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
19. Bill Kristol has his Ph.D. Alan Keyes has a Harvard doctorate. George Will has his Ph.D.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:40 PM
Mar 2017

Ph.D.'s are found on both sides.

Hannity dropped of NYU after his freshman year (assuming he made it to the end of his first year). He blames it on the faculty not accepting his conservative views. It is actually pretty funny to hear him tell the story of his college "career". He's a wanker.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
20. True. But none of them have the audiences that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck have -- or Rachel.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:43 PM
Mar 2017

And there's a good reason.

progressoid

(49,916 posts)
7. This only makes them more appealing to their followers.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 12:16 PM
Mar 2017

She's a snooty, latte drinking, liberal elite.

They are regular folks.


progressoid

(49,916 posts)
30. That's even worse!
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 02:08 PM
Mar 2017

Martinis are for James Bond only. Not lesbian liberals!11!




P.S. I would love to have a martini with her.

Mr.Bill

(24,214 posts)
42. James Bond doesn't drink Martinis.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 05:31 PM
Mar 2017

Martinis are made with Gin, not Vodka and they are stirred, not shaken.

Or as Rachel would say, some people think Martinis can be made with Vodka, and those people are wrong.

longship

(40,416 posts)
59. And never, ever shake a martini!!!!
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:32 PM
Mar 2017

A proper martini is always stirred in a pitcher over bounteous very cold ice. I prefer a 2:1 mix of gin:vermouth. I don't agree with the -- undoubtedly apocryphal -- Churchill story that one should open the vermouth bottle across the room and let it wink at the martini. First, Churchill drank champagne and brandy, not necessarily martinis. Like James Bond's, I suspect that Churchill's martini recipe is fiction.

Anyway, Ian Fleming was a spy by trade, certainly not a bartender. Fleming might have had Bond make martinis out of haggis and I suppose people would still be ordering haggis martinis. Doesn't make that any better than a real martini.

As to the wink across the room with the vermouth... No vermouth??? One might as well just drink the fucking gin right out of the bottle. Very dry is 3:1 or 4:1, but always add vermouth.

Most important, add a drop or two of bitters for each martini. It isn't a martini without that either.

Oh, and it should be served very very cold.

Garnish with an olive or two.

Mr.Bill

(24,214 posts)
60. I like mine very dry.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:00 PM
Mar 2017

I put some Vermouth in the glass, swirl it around and dump it out. I also rinse my olives to remove most of the olive oil from them. Lately I have been liking Bleu Cheese stuffed olives. That's my only break with tradition.

longship

(40,416 posts)
61. That's called a "perfect martini"
Wed Mar 29, 2017, 04:52 AM
Mar 2017

But I just do not understand why anybody would want a martini without vermouth. That's just chilled gin.

Just my opinion.

Cheers, mate.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
11. Education turns people into triggered snowflakes
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 12:50 PM
Mar 2017

which is why they are against education. What they prefer is the completely fake foreign mail order PhDs favored by Trump advisors like Sebastian v. Gorka.

I would not be surprised if DeVos orders schools to start burning books.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
17. Oh but that makes her suspect.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:22 PM
Mar 2017

Having an education is suspicious to the blinkered pig-ignorant scum on the right. "Elites", ya know - as if the bloated orange Cheeto wasn't a freaking elite with this solid gold crappers. Those 3 pigs lead the charge for the great idiot army of Chump voters. They are the champions of the low-education voters.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
21. Well I also have a Ph.D. in Poly Sigh . .
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:51 PM
Mar 2017

and I am brilliant as hell - so therefore Rachel must be brilliant too.

Now lets see, where did I put that book on logic?

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
24. Rachel is a real gem! I remember her describing her first radio job, with her boss-to-be first
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:59 PM
Mar 2017

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seeing this skinny, lanky boy get out of a pickup truck, and it was Rachel.

She certainly is not at all concerned about style, fashion, but she is deadly serious about getting to the truth of the matter, especially in important issues.

One of my favorite quotes is that of G. K. Chesterton who said: "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly!" Rachel is such an angel.

Yay Rachel!!!

Ernest Partridge

(135 posts)
25. Revolt of the masses.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 02:00 PM
Mar 2017

"I know a Ph.D who is stupid." That's called "anecdotal evidence," dude. "Sad!"

But how about Ph.Ds in general?

Or MDs. Which is why, if I have a heart attack, I'd rather be treated by an MD than a faith healer. Better still, by an MD who is a cardiologist.

And I'd prefer political opinion from someone who has studied politics (say, from Oxford U.) than from a dropout.

What's the point? That education is irrelevant to competence? That "gut feeling" is just as good as evidence and logic.?
That's Trump talk.

Ernest Partridge, Ph.D

mikeysnot

(4,756 posts)
29. beat him to it!
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 02:06 PM
Mar 2017

I created this in response to inSanity's Ad Homonym attacks on her regarding one of her segments. I was like Fuck You asshole...



He even used the same image I did.

Response to Panich52 (Original post)

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
46. I have been listening to Dr. Maddow since 2004...
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 06:24 PM
Mar 2017

when she was on Air America. I truly LOVE her and her amazing way of explaining things. She does get concern trollish sometimes, but I keep going back no matter what...

dhol82

(9,351 posts)
49. LOVED Air America!
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 07:54 PM
Mar 2017

I would listen to Rachel on my way into work - really did not think she needed Liz Winstead and Lionel on the show with her. There were more of a distraction.
Listened to Randi Rhodes on my way home.
This was my introduction to liberal politics.
Hard to believe I was so complacent politically prior to their launch.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
54. Same here!
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 09:13 PM
Mar 2017

That was when Al Franken had his own show as well. Those were the days. But then, of course, W was re-elected. Ugh.

dhol82

(9,351 posts)
58. I still remember Randi going apeshit about that elelction
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 10:19 PM
Mar 2017

What I learned from her that time was that if you could get out enough votes, you could overcome the dirty tricks of the opposition. We did not get out enough votes.
That was an excellent lesson.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
55. I believe many conservatives
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 09:15 PM
Mar 2017

are flat out resentful/jealous of those of us with degrees.

A degree does not make us better than anyone else. It simply makes us more knowledgeable/trained in a certain field.

Personally, I'll take wisdom over education any day. And wisdom/education are two entirely separate things... Wisdom is the intersection of compassion and knowledge.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
64. The earning of a degree also imparts some wisdom.
Wed Mar 29, 2017, 06:48 AM
Mar 2017

A college education is more than the degree itself; it's also more than a formal acknowledgment of mastery in a specific field, etc.

The very earning of that degree is a wisdom-gaining experience. Think of it-- for the first time in their adolescent lives, college students must start to make decisions for themselves, away from parents (obviously, there are exceptions). There must be some self-set goals, adherence to specific methods, hard study and execution under pressure.

One's social wisdom begins forming in college as well. There are some hard lessons to be learned about navigating bureaucracies and difficult people, and you must learn the "system." Then there are relationships, and how one integrates them into one's life while balancing studies and perhaps keeping up the responsibilities of gainful part-time work as well.

College students are exposed to numerous cultures and religions. This is crucial to developing fully-- to comprehend, even in small bits, that the world's people are just that: people. Higher education is a testing ground where insights into wisdom are passed on by particularly dedicated professors and staff. Many lifetime attachments and friendships are formed in these transformative years.

At its best, college functions as a learning academy and testing ground for young folks to begin figuring out how the world really works.

Is it any wonder that Republicans don't care much for the college experience? It's a potent catalyst for social development (¡wisdom!) and, ideally, leads one to begin thinking for oneself.

keithbvadu2

(36,622 posts)
56. Several years back Trump said he could lead the republicans because they are stupid.
Tue Mar 28, 2017, 09:29 PM
Mar 2017

Don't know the full quote.

aikoaiko

(34,153 posts)
63. Like Rachel. Hate Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh. Hate this meme.
Wed Mar 29, 2017, 05:29 AM
Mar 2017

It reeks of elitism that I find deplorable.

She is smart and compassionate. They are hateful and unwilling to use their skills for the good of humanity.

College education is irrelevant.

radical noodle

(7,996 posts)
67. But...but... intelligence... education
Wed Mar 29, 2017, 11:10 AM
Mar 2017

not cool. They want the uneducated.

I love Rachel. She does such an awesome job of giving us the whole picture as it comes out. She can add 2 plus 2 and get 4 when everyone else is saying it's only three.

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