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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:20 PM Jul 2012

Is it wrong for someone running for President to have tax-sheltered accounts in other countries?

Nobody knows where Mitt Romney has his money or how much he might have?

He wants to be President of this country but he doesn't want to invest his money in this country. He has taken it overseas, to Switzerland or the Cayman Islands or somewhere else, to escape paying taxes to the country that he wants to lead. Does that sound like someone you would want to lead your country?

And why has he not cleaned up this mess by now? He has been running for President for years and he still has these foreign accounts? Why? Is he so greedy that he wants that extra 10-15% in tax breaks, even if voters question his judgement in investing in these countries?

So far, nobody has said that anything is illegal. But he refuses to disclose what he has or where? Is this the type of person this country is going to put in the White House? I certainly hope not.

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Is it wrong for someone running for President to have tax-sheltered accounts in other countries? (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2012 OP
Yes thelordofhell Jul 2012 #1
Yes, because if it's "tax sheltered", that would be illegal. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #2
If the tax rate were the same in this country...? kentuck Jul 2012 #3
YES Iggy Jul 2012 #4
He loves this country so much he doesn't want to support it through his taxes Ezlivin Jul 2012 #5
I'm not a flag-waving, Tea Party patriot but... kentuck Jul 2012 #7
Neither can I. Funny, my flag waving, Tpp DevonRex Jul 2012 #8
And the sum and substance of Romney's campaign is "trust me" aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #10
Yes it's wrong and no he's not the kind DevonRex Jul 2012 #6
Yep, all off shore accounts should be taxable. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #9
Its *probably* not saving him any money right now Sgent Jul 2012 #11
Interesting. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #14
So if I follow ... we're giving Mitt and those like him tax breaks, so they can JoePhilly Jul 2012 #16
I think you have encapsulated his attitude... kentuck Jul 2012 #17
No, those little third world countries can collapse at any time and you need a safety net. dimbear Jul 2012 #12
absofuckinglutely spanone Jul 2012 #13
Yes. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #15

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
2. Yes, because if it's "tax sheltered", that would be illegal.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:25 PM
Jul 2012

US citizens owe US taxes on all of their worldwide income, so for a US citizen there is no such thing as a "tax sheltered" offshore account. Not legally, anyway.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
3. If the tax rate were the same in this country...?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jul 2012

Why take it overseas??

It seems like a tax shelter to this novice.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
4. YES
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:29 PM
Jul 2012

it's wrong-- wayy wrong.

1.) We already have enough tax dodging millionaires in the senate-- including democrat Dianne Feinstein-- one of the
wealthiest senators, if not THE wealthiest.

2.) One of the reasons Greece is crashing is their serious tax evasion problem, in both the private and
public sectors. we can't run the U.S. with small beer revenue.

The POTUS as leader can't be involved in numerous tax breaks, deferrments, and off shoring. it shows he's
dodging taxes, and if he does it, all of the other greedy dickweeds think they can do it too.

Ezlivin

(8,153 posts)
5. He loves this country so much he doesn't want to support it through his taxes
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jul 2012

Other parents send off their children to fight our wars in support of our country. They and their children give their all.

Mitt? He won't even let his money "fight" in support of our country. No, he takes it out of circulation and supports his lifestyle in other countries.

Yeah, real patriotic.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
7. I'm not a flag-waving, Tea Party patriot but...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:40 PM
Jul 2012

I simply could not trust someone who would do this.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
8. Neither can I. Funny, my flag waving, Tpp
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:46 PM
Jul 2012

wealthy relative also doesn't like to pay taxes. So just didn't for years. Now there's a bit of a kerfuffle. We shall see how it turns out...

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
10. And the sum and substance of Romney's campaign is "trust me"
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:00 PM
Jul 2012

"I won;t give you any specific details of what my policies will be as President, but since I have business experience you have to trust me."

Would you buy a used car from this man?

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
6. Yes it's wrong and no he's not the kind
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jul 2012

of person we want as president if he can't pay what his taxes like all the rest of us do.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
11. Its *probably* not saving him any money right now
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

US Citizens are taxed on worldwide income. It doesn't matter if I own stock out of a Swiss brokerage or a US one, I owe equal tax.

The reason that his Bain Capital holdings are offshore have to do with attracting international capital. These investments are partnerships of probably 50-100 very wealthy people from around the world. If the partnership were located in the US, the foreign partners would owe taxes on the entire income. By putting it in an offshore tax haven, the foreign (not US) partners could escape US taxes on income derived from non-US assets (say if the partnership invested in a EU company).

In addition, investments like this have much higher regulatory hurdles if based in the US when attracting non-US investors.

All of the above being said, the year before Romney's last released tax return the IRS was running an amnesty program -- which I would like to see explored by the media / Obama administration more fully. At that time, an investor with significant unpaid (but owed ... ie committed tax evasion) taxes from offshore investments was allowed to "fess up" and pay the taxes + interest + penalty. The IRS agreed to forgo prosecution for tax evasion.

Romney's last released return was the year AFTER this would have appeared on it, so one year prior could have a bombshell on it.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. Interesting.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jul 2012

I think if it turns out that Romney was dodging taxes, and took advantage of the amnesty, the election is over.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
16. So if I follow ... we're giving Mitt and those like him tax breaks, so they can
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jul 2012

invest, not with US partners, but with global partners ... and that's going to lead to more jobs in the US, right?

The reality is that Mitt is no longer an American, he's really a global citizen. He is rich enough to live, and invest, in any country that he wants to. His allegiance is no longer to the US, its to the other super rich global citizens from all around the world.

And as President, he'd be able to increased the wealth of that core global constituency.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
17. I think you have encapsulated his attitude...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:06 PM
Jul 2012

...and his philosophy. He doesn't consider himself an American citizen. He is a global capitalist.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
12. No, those little third world countries can collapse at any time and you need a safety net.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jul 2012

They all do it. Oh, wait.........here?

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