Maduro accuses Biden of leading coup plan against his government

[Bacchus4.0]

Source: China Daily

CARACAS - Venezuelan head of state Nicolas Maduro Sunday accused US Vice President Joe Biden of heading a "bloody" plan to overthrow his government, which he said was announced to presidents and prime ministers of Caribbean countries.

In a political event in the central state of Miranda, Maduro reiterated that he doesn't know if US President Barack Obama is aware of the plan.

"The imperial power has entered a dangerous phase of desperation and has been talking to governments of the continent to announce they'll topple my government. I accuse US Vice President Joe Biden who personally spoke with the presidents and prime ministers about the plan", he said.

According to the Venezuelan president, Biden announced the plan at a recent energy meeting in Washington with Caribbean leaders who told him last week in Costa Rica during the Summit of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC).






Read more: http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2015-02/02/content_19470213.htm

[Control-Z]

1. Wth? (nt)

[davidpdx]

2. Venezuela said it and it was in China Daily so it must be true

I just didn't know Biden was that cunning and smart to do all this behind Barack's back. You really never know about people.

[geek tragedy]

3. BBC español has it too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/ultimas_noticias/2015/02/150201_ultnot_venezuela_maduro_farmatodo_fp

The clown show continues in Caracas.

[DetlefK]

4. Someone is getting desperate about losing his old buddy Cuba.

"Heeeey buddy. Old Veny, long time no see. Listen: Remember this big corporation who was always hanging over our business like a Damocles-sword? They made me an offer. It's just... I think you should know that."

"Wow. This can mean only one thing for our ailing company: THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US IN A BLOODBATH!"

[libdem4life]

5. Regime Change? US? Never, I tell you.

[geek tragedy]

6. So you believe Joe Biden is an evil mastermind? nt

[libdem4life]

7. Do we regularly practice Regime Change? And are we not now, perhaps in Ukraine

and Syria, "weighing our options"? Then there was Libya, that got us onto the African Continent...ad nauseum. I think the US is bound and determined to rule the world so we can feel secure and yes, what with over 800 foreign military bases and a few in The "lesser" Americas, Biden is surely part of that. Is it a quid pro quo? How would I know. But if it smells like Regime Change, looks like Regime Change, quacks like Regime Change...well...

[geek tragedy]

14. so your opinion is that the United States is just plain evil and thus you believe every bad thing

said about it.

Gotcha.

[libdem4life]

28. Stop putting words in my mouth, especially calling it my opinion. I stated facts as per

the relevance of the thread. What I stated is verifiable and every one knows it. I left behind the game of The Emperor Who Had No Clothes...maybe you remember it.

And no, I don't agree with "incursions" along with 800 foreign bases and getting ready to meddle in a couple of more tinderbox continents and half of tax dollars going to the Pentagon to "preserve our freedom" by boots, dollars or bribery.

Do you? You signing up for Syria or Ukraine duty? Send your kids? How about Afghanistan or Iraq?

[geek tragedy]

29. Your reason for endorsing Maduro's claim is that

the US is seeking world domination. That is citing your own bias as proof.

The US has committed many, many acts of aggression over its history.

That does not make it defensible to swallow every claim by every anti-American demagogue without evidence.

[libdem4life]

31. Geez...I didn't endorse anything. Just said that we do Regime Change really, really, well

and have been doing it for a long time and the other Americas have been the handy, yet unwilling players in our game of Global Risk. And, I would not be at all surprised if there is some truth to what he said. It's not like it's the first time.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

I can dislike and disagree with what my country does without hating my country.

[snappyturtle]

24. +1 nt

[HERVEPA]

26. You forgot the Russia Today citation.

[Dr. Strange]

13. Oh rats, Maduro has discovered our secret!

[geek tragedy]

16. Because the one guy you want coordinating a global plot while keeping it a secret

is Captain Message Discipline himself.

[Calista241]

53. lol.

[GGJohn]

55. LOL.

[swilton]

34. + 1,000

for this and your other posts on this thread. Won't bother to add any more because I can't improve upon your words.

[libdem4life]

36. Thank you.

[Blue_Tires]

54. You know, every time someone screams "CIA-backed coup!!!!111"

it doesn't necessarily mean that is always the case...


This is going to start turning into the boy who cried "wolf!"

[libdem4life]

56. Ya think?

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

And a good deal of those 120 "interventions" were people with brown skin. Just because no one says anything at all doesn't necessarily mean we aren't in there "advising" or "snooping".

[GGJohn]

57. It doesn't necessarily mean we are either.

In this case, there's absolutely zero proof that the US is fomenting any coup in Venezuela, Maduro is just trying to divert attention away from his gross incompetence.
The smell of desperation from Maduro is thick in the air.

[libdem4life]

58. We've been meddling with these little countries for time and eternity. They share a continent with

the US, which automatically makes them a Security Risk and gives us the excuse to pick and choose their leaders...or to correct the people when they decide to choose a leader we don't like. Sometimes by internal mechanations and sometimes overtly. But you may be sure there is no leader or Dictator that lasts long in the Americas we don't like. And that's why we're always snooping and couping.

Edit. Does not typically include the larger countries.

[GGJohn]

59. So I'm guessing that you have proof that the US is meddling around in VN?

You don't believe that the unrest is because of the gross incompetence of the Maduro regime?
Unless you have proof, not speculation because of past deeds, then I'll believe that the US is not fomenting a coup like that idiot Maduro is constantly spouting without any evidence.
Who's he going to blame next week? The janitor? The street sweepers? The .......?

[libdem4life]

62. The murky world of snooping is usually sans evidence...AKA secret. You go right ahead and believe

we are standing by and letting bygones be bygones for a new Leftist government, a little state government, we've been fixated on for decades. He'll be pulling out incubator cords or "killing his own people" or something similar before long.

Of course they have problems, but it's none of our business...unless what I stated earlier is true...that is that we are constantly meddling and standing by to intervene "when asked" or to fork over more "foreign aid".

And why is Maduro an idiot? Do you know that for a fact? Or is it he said things we don't like to hear. We should just leave them the hell alone and get out of there...and yes, we're there you may be sure.

[GGJohn]

63. So, you're telling us that the evidence is

that there is no evidence?

Maduro is in way over his head, he's not qualified to run the country, that's painfully obvious now.
And, again, you don't know that we're there causing trouble, because, again, there's zero proof of it.

[geek tragedy]

60. Say, whatever happened to Maduro's 'scientific investigation' to prove his accusation

that the US gave Hugo Chavez cancer?

[Bacchus4.0]

61. spewing bullshit is all chavistas do, I think the poor medical care in Cuba killed him n/t

[treestar]

67. +1

We may as well head a one-world government at this rate. It's claimed we run everything anyway.

[NuclearDem]

64. Unpopular authoritarian jailing opposition members on charges of treason just ahead of an election?

Never, I tell you.

[iandhr]

8. He seems to be doing....

.... a fine job screwing things up without our help

[fasttense]

9. Just ignore all those United States budget line items for opposition activities in Venezuela

In a year where we cut back funding for medical care for our military and cut back food stamps for our hungry, we still found money to fund opposition activities in Venezuela. Just something about those socialists that makes the US deprive their military and starve their hungry to fight them.

[libdem4life]

10. Most are in the "other budget"... I think they call it Black Ops ... the typical American citizen

doesn't want to know that a lot of their tax money goes missing for deeds they don't want to know about.

Or, it's categorized as Foreign Aid so we think we're feeding the poor rather than giving the party we want in charge the money and trusting them to feed their poor...with few, if any questions. Their 2-party system is the filthy rich and the filthy poor.

Here Foreign Aid is called Welfare...and that's socialism. Bad.

[hack89]

12. We didn't write their currency laws that make impossible for companies to get the dollars they need

neither are we responsible for failing to diversify their economy and leaving them so vulnerable to falling oil prices. And we are certainly not responsible for their sky rocketing violent crime.

[father founding]

11. Stop Crying Venezuela

Serves You right for having Oil, They would leave you alone if you didn't.

[snappyturtle]

23. Bingo!

Welcometo DU !

[hack89]

43. We can get all of their oil that we want

they have to sell as much of it as they can.

[struggle4progress]

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by Clara Moskowitz | October 03, 2008 09:47am ET

... The Constitution gives the vice president the role of presiding over the Senate, and voting in the Senate if there is a tie. The vice president's only other formal responsibility is taking over the presidency if the president dies.

"That's about it in terms of the formal role," said Paul Brace, a political scientist at Rice University in Texas who researches presidential history. "For many years, there was such lopsided control of the Senate, the tie-breaking vote never really came into play. Traditionally it’s a pretty meaningless role. It's not something that allows you to exercise a lot of power" ...

[msanthrope]

37. This thread is an LBN classic. nt

[struggle4progress]

17. "Not Worth a Bucket of Warm Spit"

"Not Worth a Bucket of Warm Spit"
8-20-08
by Patrick Cox
Mr. Cox, Ph.D., is Associate Director of the Center for American History at The University of Texas at Austin.
... In an interview with Collier’s Magazine in the March 20, 1948, edition, Garner said, “there cannot be a great vice president. A great man may occupy the office, but there is no way for him to become a great vice president because the office in itself is almost wholly unimportant.” In 1957 Garner told local author Florence Fenley, “When I was elected vice president of he United States, it was the worst thing that ever happened to me” ...

[struggle4progress]

18. Sarah Palin: What Exactly Does The VP Do Everyday?

Sarah Palin: What Exactly Does The VP Do Everyday?
Posted: 09/29/2008 5:12 am EDT
Updated: 05/25/2011 12:40 pm EDT
... Palin replied: "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? ...

[struggle4progress]

19. Whatever Became of Hubert

[struggle4progress]

20. ... Daniel Webster, the 19th century orator, had this to say when offered the vice presidency:

"I do not propose to be buried until I am dead" ...
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[struggle4progress]

21. "The man with the best job in the country is the vice President. All he has to do

is get up every morning and say, How's the President?"
Will Rogers

[Archae]

52. The real exception to this rule was Darth Cheney.

He was the "power behind the throne."

[struggle4progress]

22. What they've said about being No. 2

Saturday, September 27, 2008
What they've said about being No. 2
Thoughts on the vice presidency
By The Associated Press
... "The chief embarrassment in discussing the office is that in explaining how little there is to say about it one has evidently said all there is to say." - Woodrow Wilson, when he was a professor ...

[Sunlei]

25. To dependent on revenue from oil exports, should have developed agriculture after their last major

economic collapse.

I guess China will use "Biden the Hun" to pressure for an even better price on Venezuelan crude.

[Shrike47]

27. So Biden has a secret plan which he has now shared with everybody? (except maybe Obama)

These people really don't understand the role of VP or Biden.

[Bacchus4.0]

33. that is the idiot Maduro's position it seems n/t

[Marrah_G]

30. LOL..... Biden?

[yurbud]

32. we did back at least two coup attempts against his predecessor, but don't let actual

facts stop your trashing of a leader who is trying not to knuckle under to bankers and oil companies

[reddread]

38. thank goodness Cheney had no power

[Adrahil]

40. Obama did that? No? Well, don't let facts get in the way.

[yurbud]

41. Has Obama deviated that much from Bush foreign policy?

He backed overthrowing government of Libya, Honduras, and currently working on government of Syria.

Essenrially, he is Bush with better diction and led in breeding when it comes to foreign policy

[Adrahil]

42. I disagree.

But that avoids the question. Has Obama attempted to overthrow the government of Venezuela?

[yurbud]

44. not that we know of yet. such info often doesn't come out until after the fact.

[Adrahil]

45. Yeah, so let's preemptively assume he is, eh?

And I shed not a tear for Gadaffi. Not one.

[NuclearDem]

65. The US was attacked by al-Qaeda on 9/11.

Therefore, all accusations by the US government of ties to al-Qaeda are true.

Nope, wouldn't hold water here either.

[hack89]

66. Were we behind Chavez's failed coup?

or was that one the only "domestic" military coup in Venezuelan history?

[msanthrope]

35. Nah--Biden's washing his trans-am....

http://www.theonion.com/articles/shirtless-biden-washes-trans-am-in-white-house-dri,2718/

[Turbineguy]

39. The US is also trying to

steal North Korea's poverty.

[Ramses]

46. For decades

The United States has been assassinating leaders of countries with left leaning governments. The United States kills innocents indiscriminately with drones in countries that have done nothing to us.

[Marksman_91]

47. Do you believe the (preposterous) claims that the US "innoculated" Chávez's cancer? n/t

[Arkana]

48. Biden's too busy picking up biker chicks and washing his Trans Am.

[Freddie Stubbs]

49. Good for Vice President Biden!

[JonLP24]

50. I remember one night drinking in the barracks

This man claimed to be former Special Forces -- we were all drinking. So I decided to "test" if he was special forces, I was face down with my nose busted in less than 2 seconds. I still don't know the factual truth to his claims, but I accepted that as proof.

[Sunlei]

51. China toys with the Venezuelan Leadership