Sarah and Bristol Palin push fringe plan to let Christian conservatives rewrite the Constitution

[thecrow]

Source: Rawstory/U.S. News

(snip)

“By calling a Convention of the States, average citizens can stop the federal spending spree, power grabs, and other abuses by proposing amendments to rein in the federal government,” Palin posted on Saturday. “After the states draft, debate, and vote upon these proposed amendments, they will then be sent to all 50 states for ratification, and three-quarters of the states must agree for any of the proposed amendments to be ratified.”
Three legislatures have already passed bills calling for a convention, and Virginia lawmakers are expected to vote on such a measure this week.

(snip)

The Constitution has been amended throughout U.S. history by Congress, but Article V guidelines set out by the founders allow revisions to be made at a convention called by at least two-thirds of state legislatures.

Those amendments would then be subject to ratification by three-fourths of the states, just as they are when passed by Congress.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/sarah-and-bristol-palin-push-fringe-plan-to-let-christian-conservatives-rewrite-the-constitution/

[Mass]

1. Why is it that we cannot let this woman go back to the shadows?

She is not that interesting, but the media continue to follow her as if anything she said had any value?

[jalan48]

8. Interesting that the 'liberal media' isn't constantly running to Kucinich or Nader for sound bites.

[vlyons]

11. Because she is so entertaining !!!

Given that there are a plethora of absurd GOP/Tparty folks to ridicule and make us shake our heads with amazement at their stupidity, but Sarah is a special treat. She is an object lesson in how hatred makes you stupid. You don't need a constitutional amendment to curb spending, you just need a legislative budget bill that gets signed by POTUS. Duuuhhh

[Botany]

21. Stop it right now w/your "facts"

Deficit Hits New Low Under Obama 10/8//14

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2014/10/08/deficit-hits-new-low-under-obama

But the talking point of the big spending liberal black guy who is giving away "free stuff"
will never go away.


viyons

[vlyons]

32. They never own up to their corporate welfare,

or should I say, corrupt criminal activity?

[chelsea0011]

2. She is delusional to think she speaks for "average citizens" whoever they are

[TreasonousBastard]

3. They couldn't get 2/3 of the states to agree to a convention...

back when there were only 13 of them.

Sarah-- shut up. Please.

[Stonepounder]

18. Heck, I doubt we could get 2/3 of the states to agree that the sun rises in the east!!

[niyad]

4. "con-con" AGAIN??? seriously, sarah, could you please come up with ONE original idea?

[Botany]

5. This has to be from "the Onion"

Having Sarah and Bristol Palin rewrite the Constitution I mean what could go wrong?

[thecrow]

6. Virginia is voting on it this week!

There are whackos everywhere.

[Monk06]

28. How could she be so unaware of what she looks like in front of a camera. Her sneers and mugging are

extremely off putting. Plus she talks like a compete hick. I here Hee Haw every time I see her face.

[CanonRay]

7. She consults Bristol for all her deep thinking

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. First they need 34 states to call a convention

Four have done so, though not for Christan reasons.

Once successfully called, they would have to somehow control the the process. It isn't clear to me that only Christian' of Palin's ilk would or could be given that power. It is never been done, so I assume the state legislatures themselves would have a say on who sits on that body to rewrite te Constitution.

Once those changes have been written, amendments would need to be ratified by 3/4's of the states.

She certainly has the right to propose whatever crackpot scheme she think will convince Conservatives to write her checks which she can then spend in administrative costs but it is not likely to get done.

From my reading, there is an open question concerning whether the states could only address a single item, say gay marriage or a balanced budget, or whether they could through the whole Constitution away and start all over.

Either way, it just looks like a scheme to get people to donate money to Palin so she can spend it while pretending to do something.

[yellowcanine]

19. They could do pretty much anything the delegates wanted except limit the representation of states

in the Senate. But of course any amendments would have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states before they became part of the Constitution. The states requesting the convention could probably try to limit the convention to certain topics but it is not at all clear that the convention delegates would have to follow such limitations.

[Agnosticsherbet]

20. Since it has never happened before...

people could try to do anything they want, if they managed to get a Constitutional Convention.

[logosoco]

10. I think this is proof (not that we needed it) that Palin has no

real understanding of what is in the Constitution or how it works. Something has to be pretty specific to become an amendment to the Constitution, and this (and pretty much anything she has ever said) sounds vague or a way to weaken it.
And to think that people actually voted for her to be VP. That is truly very scary.
I think the folks who wrote the Constitution were very smart in coming up with the ideas in the first amendment. It's like they saw the future!

[Moonwalk]

12. I think it's proof that she knows how to keep bilking her fan base....

...and so (1) keep herself in the news and (2) have herself and her family subsidized ad infinitum by the rubes. I'd say she was a genius on the level of P.T. Barnum, but I think she's only an idiot savant in that way. She certainly hasn't an ounce of ethics or shame or awareness of either. Narcissistic doesn't even begin to cover it.

[happyslug]

23. If 2/3rds of the states ask for a Convention, that is ALL THAT IS NEEDED.

That it would take 34 states to call a convention is the main reason it has NOT been done since 1787. Thus it is POSSIBLE to call such a convention AND THERE WILL BE NO LIMIT TO WHAT THEY CAN PROPOSE. This is what happened in 1787, a Convention was called to "Amend" the Articles of Confederation, the members of that Convention decided to rewrite the whole thing rather then just propose amendments.

The real restriction is on HOW many states such a call for a Convention requires AND that any changes (or a new Constitution, remember what happened in 1787) would have to be ratified by 2/3rds of the state (unless one of the Changes is a reduction in the number of states, which is what happened in 1787, the Articles of Confederation requires ALL states to agree, but the then proposed US Constitution said only 2/3rds of the states needed to agree).

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Here is the Article of Confederation, Article XIII, that states "alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State."

[T]he Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

Thus a convention could call for a National Referendum as the means of Ratification, if such referendum is also one of the proposed changes (or in a whole new written Constitution).

[Mr.Bill]

13. I am becoming more and more convinced

that Ms. Palin is drinking heavily and taking lots of prescription drugs.

[thecrow]

14. That's the way it sounded when she did her last "speech"

She was always into word salad, but that "speech" wasn't even word association.

[hollowdweller]

24. She was smoking some of that stuff Rick Perry had at the debate.

[forsaken mortal]

15. So how would they change the constitution?

- Freedom of speech only for Teabaggers, CEOs of big corps, and right wing Christians.

- Only white property owners making more than a million a year shall have the vote.

- Women shall be considered 1/4 human and prohibited from pursuing education, careers, birth control, or speaking in public. Feminism is treason and of the devil and will result in execution. The proceedings and laws of the Salem, MA, circa 1692 shall be reinstated into law.

- 2nd Amendment: Gun ownership required for all conservative white males and the use of guns authorized on liberals, union members, teachers, feminists, community organizers, gays, anyone had received public assistance, the disabled, maimed vets demanding use of the now outlawed VA, pro-choicers, and the homeless.

- Freedom of Religion shall be recognized as long as you're Christian and of the proper
denominations.

- The research and use of renewable energy shall be punished with the death penalty.

- Any person protesting wars, environmental destruction, or police brutality shall be executed
immediately.

- any doctor performing an abortion shall be put to death with a firing squad drafted from
white, male conservatives within the court's jurisdiction.

- Sell off the national parks and open them to resource exploitation by the biggest bidder.

[happyslug]

26. The right wing could do most of what you suggest with a GOP President and majorities in both

Lets look at your list:

- Freedom of speech only for Teabaggers, CEOs of big corps, and right wing Christians.

"Any person who wish to make a statement on the net, in print, on Television, Radio, or other means of communications including just talking to someone, MUST have a license issued by the "Department to Secure the Freedom of Speech", created under this same law. Anyone who does NOT have a license, shall be imprison for a term not less then life. Ignorance of this law is NOT a defence. Any infringement of this law shall be heard by the New Court to Secure Freedom from which no appeal may be taken.

- Only white property owners making more than a million a year shall have the vote.

This one, Congress does NOT even have to worry about the Bill of Rights, just pass a law that the only legal voters are those whose value is worth more the 1 Million Dollars.

- Women shall be considered 1/4 human and prohibited from pursuing education, careers, birth control, or speaking in public. Feminism is treason and of the devil and will result in execution. The proceedings and laws of the Salem, MA, circa 1692 shall be reinstated into law.

Why be so geneous? Declare that woman are the property of their husbands, and if not married their eldest son, if no son, their father or other male relation no matter distant. If none can be found then the court will appoint some male. As the property of someone else, such woman can NOT do anything without that man's permission, any violation is petty treason and subject to summary execution by such male or other male. Why bring up Salem, the above law will do all the Witch trials did, without the need for some sort of evidence of actual witch craft.

Some constitutional issues with such a law, but that can be worked around on the grounds that the Common Law view was a woman and man were one person and that person was the husband. That was the law in 1787 and in the late 1860s when the post Civil War Amendments were changed and those laws did not change til long after those amendments were passed, NOt because those amendments were passed.

- 2nd Amendment: Gun ownership required for all conservative white males and the use of guns authorized on liberals, union members, teachers, feminists, community organizers, gays, anyone had received public assistance, the disabled, maimed vets demanding use of the now outlawed VA, pro-choicers, and the homeless.

The Militia of the US includes all males over the age of 21, approved to be members of the Militia by the "Department to Secure the Freedom of Speech", who are NOT liberals, union members, teachers, feminists, community organizers, gays, anyone had received public assistance, the disabled, maimed vets demanding use of the now outlawed VA, pro-choicers, and the homeless. Any Militiamen may use his weapon against any of those excluded from the Militia by the previous sentence.

- Freedom of Religion shall be recognized as long as you're Christian and of the proper
denominations.

"Freedom of Religion is reserved to those religions licensed by the Department to Secure Freedom of Speech. " Then pack that Department with people whose definition of religion is what they believe in and anyone else is a radical out to destroy the US.

- The research and use of renewable energy shall be punished with the death penalty.

Can be passed by a simple majority today, the US Supreme Court MAY strike it down as excessive, but if the Congress makes findings that renewable energy is a plot by Al Qaeda, that may satisfy the Supreme Court,

- Any person protesting wars, environmental destruction, or police brutality shall be executed
immediately.

- any doctor performing an abortion shall be put to death with a firing squad drafted from
white, male conservatives within the court's jurisdiction.

Why be so specific? just say execution without the right to appeal.

- Sell off the national parks and open them to resource exploitation by the biggest bidder.

Congress can do that now, they do NOT need an amendment to sell off the National Parks.

Just a comment, that the changes you "propose" do NOT need a constitutional amendment to become law, a simple majority will do along with a minority opposition that does not really oppose these changes. Please note what I mean by minority opposition is NOT people outside of congress but Congress persons themselves. i.e Democrats who do NOT do all that they can to stop such laws from being passed.

[onehandle]

16. Please go third party.

Please?

[gordianot]

17. No Federal, State or Local authority shall infringe on the right of citizens to Party and make fools

... of themselves in Public, especially if they are white, with or without an invitation.

[dembotoz]

22. seriously admire her cottage industry abilty to keep the palin brand rolling along

she is like a televangelist with her ideology as the religion
bring the kid in so that at some point sarah can expand the empire....

take nothing and build it into something

i hate her but i admire how she is doing it

[hollowdweller]

25. Really. They should give whomever in the McCain Campaign who chose her a cut.

About the time she starts getting too old to be sort of pretty and the media tires of her she's got Bristol ready to run with it. Hey the Cheney kids did it

[thecrow]

36. I do not admire a single thing about her

except maybe all her nick names on DU.

[dembotoz]

38. do not confuse admire and like

[Turbineguy]

27. A terrific idea, that.

The original one just doesn't have enough spelling errors to make it plausible.

[sadoldgirl]

29. Actually this idea has been

kicking around for a while by people who wanted to
change the decision of the SCOTUS concerning
Citizens United. It was dropped for exactly the reason
that one then have people changing other parts in
the constitution.
Well, Sarah, keep at it, because you would run into
that same problem!

[tanyev]

30. I'm pretty sure Bristol has absolutely no idea what is posted on 'her' blog.

It's a handy way for Sarah to have a public conversation with herself, with the help of ghostwriter Nancy French.

[blkmusclmachine]

31. Christian reconstructionism/dominionism

Fascism, bay-bee!!

[undeterred]

33. Let them rewrite it and start their own country in the arctic.

We can ship all the fundamentalists up to live there.

[Botany]

35. Give em north Texas and the panhandle, Oklahoma, Kansas, Southern Missouri, and that ...

..... stretch of land in southern Idaho and northern Utah and then cut them off
cold.

either that or they can all move to Somalia where big government is not a problem.

[shenmue]

34. This country needs to be sprayed with Palin-Off

[WestSeattle2]

37. Sarah excels at separating fools from their money.

[Myrina]

39. THAT Convention would be a sight to see ...

... all 45 of her rabid fans, trying to spell 'constitution' and 'amendment'.

Why don't they go find a barren swath of land somewhere and start their own Teabillybagistan and leave the rest of us alone?