Popular weed killer deemed probable carcinogen by UN (glyphosate)
Source: AP
LONDON (AP) One of the world's most popular weed-killers and the most widely used kind in the U.S. has been labeled a probable carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer.
The decision was made by IARC, the France-based cancer research arm of the World Health Organization, which considered the status of five insect and weed killers including glyphosate, which is used globally in industrial farming.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which makes its own determinations, said it would consider the French agency's evaluation.
The French agency has four levels of risks for possible cancer-causing agents: known carcinogens, probable or possible carcinogens, not classifiable and probably not carcinogenic. Glyphosate now falls in the second level of concern.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e166afbe1a3b414493ec4144ffa43d9c/popular-weed-killer-deemed-probable-carcinogen-un
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)The EPA's 2012 assessment of glyphosate concluded that it met the statutory safety standards and that the chemical could "continue to be used without unreasonable risks to people or the environment."
The French agency's experts said the cancer risks of the weed killer were mostly from occupational exposure.
"I don't think home use is the issue," said Kate Guyton of IARC. "It's agricultural use that will have the biggest impact. For the moment, it's just something for people to be conscious of."
Well wtf does that even mean. Its a carcinogen but not to worry.
Well is it toxic to the grain fields or veggie & fruit gardens humans eat the produce from??
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and when it's plowed up it's released in a dangerous way, at home you can't get that kind of build up unless you're just dumping gallons on your backyard and then rototilling on a regular basis, and even then you'd have to really work at it.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)It is a foliar product.
Now, buildup in some way may occur. However, you can plant fresh anything over glyphosate soaked ground without any visual side effects.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Response to BeanMusical (Reply #16)
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Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I am a toxicologist. I hate when democrats deny the science just as much as republicans. There is a reason why you can spray roundup and plant in within minutes of each other.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The point is to bring back much more toxic herbicides!
Don't you understand anything?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Reality matters. Hyperbole is BS.
GLYPHOSATE AS A CARCINOGEN, EXPLAINED
http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2015/03/glyphosate-as-a-carcinogen-explained.html
Epidemiologic studies of glyphosate and cancer: A review
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273230012000943
Expert reaction to carcinogenicity classification of five pesticides by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-carcinogenicity-classification-of-five-pesticides-by-the-international-agency-for-research-on-cancer-iarc/
wordpix
(18,652 posts)He raises experimented with glyphosate/GM feed for his 13,000 pigs and thinks this feed is more toxic than thalidimide and DDT
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2176082/deformities_sickness_livestock_deaths_the_real_cost_of_glyphosate_gm_animal_feed.html
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)I'm not believing much of what they claim when the toxin is already found to be poison to humans. Wonder where all the bees & good soil insects have gone?
After years of spraying and tilling & planting & harvesting of fields of grain & produce they want to say we aren't consuming it & those humans who work in the fields aren't in danger or valued enough to stop the use until the French claims can be expanded on & researched.
We can demand better from fossil fuels poisoning our air & water but again Monsanto et al are waved on in minimizing the carcinogen risks of their product, when studies find the product to be poison to humans.
Thanks for allowing me to say how pissed I am at the lack of the USA, once again, giving a crap when it comes to Monsanto & friends over people.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Now does roundup have a role? Not sure, but I would answer maybe.
The insecticides we use definitely do though. Too many studies have proven that to be fact, not speculation.
However, all things being equal, glyphosate is an herbicide, not an insecticide.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)..the foliage but it is also home to their eggs. So its hard for me to agree that this stuff isn't harming the nature of things.
And it is Monsanto approved.
OYE
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Monsanto, the most hated name in pesticides.
The really funny part is the worst of the worst that Monsanto has ever created is now off patent and manufactured by every chemical company. Sure, hate on Glyphosate, rightfully so in some respects, but lets start hating on EVERY company that makes the shit, which is ALL of them.
Go to the local hardware/garden store and look at every brand of kills everything weed control. The AI (active ingredient) will be Glyphosate.
The reality is there is a lot of science behind the chemicals we use. There is also a LOT of money behind keeping regulations light.
Chemical companies and applicators are not regulated properly. That is not the fault of the companies though, it is the fault of our government.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)IN addition, honey bees are not native to America. IT has always been a challenge to get them to prosper here and requires some good animal husbandry practices.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Glyphosate is an herbicide, yes, but one that does not kill crops. Since this systemic chemical doesn't kill all plants, survivors could easily uptake dissolved gylphosate through their roots. And bees survive directly on plant flowers that may contain glyphosate, so it's a reasonable suspect. Unfortunately there are many out there.
Also, you should know the concern is not just about bees but all pollinators. Butterflies are getting hit hard too.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)Farmers are increasingly plowing within a foot or two of their fencelines, thanks to GPS-guided tractors, and then hosing down all the fields with herbicides.
The end result is nowhere for a few wild plants to grow and flower.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)and many, many others.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)as in, handling herbical products and being present when it's sprayed on plants.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)albino65
(484 posts)Monsanto markets GMO's that are resistant to Roundup. Thus farmers will use Roundup, Roundup residue will remain on the crop, we will ingest it and well, you can fill in the blanks. I think we need to demand that GMO's be labeled so we can make an informed decision. I am waiting for the Monsanto pro trolls to chime in.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)We've been fighting this behemoth forever.
there common defense is ,,, " the world will starve" if they dont feed them all teh GMO crops........ I love the logic of that,,,,,,,
whathehell
(29,067 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)so washing the food isn't enough.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Glyphosate should not be used on food.
However, it would be smart to hate on glyphosate, a chemical used to control weeds and is used on the majority of our crops. Roundup is a brand name.
Glyhosate is off patent and EVERY chemical company makes it today.
Is Monsanto evil? Sure.
The real problem is the COMPLETE failure of our government in controlling the chemicals used on our crops, lawns, and parks.
goldent
(1,582 posts)It is difficult for them not to approve chemicals if they cannot find evidence of ill effects.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)that were approved by EPA for manufacture/distribution under the congressional "Conditional Registration" loophole established 1972. Time to get that loophole closed! We are getting poisoned and that is why even young children are getting cancer. Neuromuscular disorders are also caused by these chemicals. Childhood, youth and young adult cancer was very rare when I was growing up in the 50's-60's; now it's common.
http://www.nrdc.org/health/pesticides/files/flawed-epa-approval-process-IB.pdf p.1
wordpix
(18,652 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Roundup does not really accumulate on plant tissues, but even it did, you don't eat the part of the plant that is sprayed because it is covered by a corn husk and bean pod.
albino65
(484 posts)troll #1
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Scientist #1.
It is just as ridiculous when democrats deny science as when the republicans do it...
albino65
(484 posts)I am as much pro-science as anyone can be. However, science should be able to stand up to scrutiny. The industry funded organizations that oppose GMO labeling are the ones who are suspect. The argument that mandatory labeling will only mislead consumers, is disingenuous at best. It's like telling women's rights activists that they shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about manly things. I want to know what I am eating, and it is my right to know that! Any statements to the contrary are total bullshit and I will call you out on it every time.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Have you read the toxicological studies for Round-up? Do you know the LD50, the LC 50? The NOEL?
I bet you don't.
Furthermore, you don't EAT Roundup Ready Corn nor do you eat Roundup Ready Soybeans because those crops are not grown for human consumption.
albino65
(484 posts)We need to be able to make our own judgement. If you want to be a Monsanto apologist, go ahead. It suits you.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Sorry you prefer emotional responses. You anti-vacs too?
albino65
(484 posts)I do consider GMO's and pesticides a public health issue that cannot be separated, though.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)It's a teratogen, please stop eating food grown with chemicals! End the food industry that is poisoning us and the whole planet.
Glyphosate researchers found cell damage at all concentrations, from agricultural or lawn doses
down to concentrations 100,000 times more dilute than shelved products
Crystal Gammon and Environmental Health News, Scientific American. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/ Jun 23, 2009
Truthout. http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/25426-one-little-piggy-had-birth-defects-is-monsantos-roundup-to-blame. Aug. 8, 2014
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Just as Obama is 'attacking' the woo-loving corporate shills in the GOP by insisting the shills give up their money earned for pretending not disclosing chemicals used in fracking on federal lands would reveal "corporate trade secrets" - "the magical chemicals must remain magical because something, something..."was never a good argument.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Glyphosate Classified Carcinogenic by International Cancer Agency, Group Calls on U.S. to End Herbicide's Use and Advance Alternatives
WASHINGTON, March 20, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A national public health and environmental group, Beyond Pesticides, is calling on the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) to stop the use of the country's most popular herbicide, glyphosate, in the wake of an international ruling that it causes cancer in humans. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) released its finding today concluding that there is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity based on laboratory studies.
Glyphosate is touted as a "low toxicity" chemical and "safer" than other chemicals by EPA and industry and is widely used in food production and on lawns, gardens, parks, and children's playing fields. However, IARC's new classification of glyphosate as a Group 2A "probable" carcinogen finds that glyphosate is anything but safe. According to IARC, Group 2A means that the agency is probably carcinogenic to human based on sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in experimental animals. The agency considered the findings from an EPA Scientific Advisory Panel report, along with several recent studies in making its conclusion. The agency also notes that glyphosate caused DNA and chromosomal damage in human cells. Further, epidemiologic studies have found that exposure to glyphosate is significantly associated with an increased risk of non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (NHL).
"With the cancer classification on top of the documented weed resistance to glyphosate and water contamination resulting from its use, continued reliance on glyphosate is irresponsible from a public health and environmental perspective," said Jay Feldman, executive director of Beyond Pesticides. "We have effective sustainable organic management systems that do not utilize glyphosate and it's time that EPA and USDA recognized its responsibility to move away from hazardous and unnecessary pesticides," he continued.
Ironically, EPA in 1985 originally classified glyphosate as 'possibly carcinogenic to humans' based on tumors in laboratory animals, but changed its classification to evidence of non-carcinogenicity in human years later, most likely due to industry influence, allowing the chemical to be the most widely used pesticides in the U.S. USDA has contributed to its growth by deregulating crops, including the vast majority of corn and soybeans, that are genetically engineered to be tolerant to the chemical. In recent years, weeds have exhibited resistance to glyphosate and its efficacy has been called into question. Additionally, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) routinely finds glyphosate in U.S. waterways especially in the Midwestern states and the Mississippi River valley. Ecological data also reports that glyphosate and glyphosate formulated products are toxic to aquatic organisms, and is extremely lethal to amphibians.
But the U.S. regulatory agencies have ignored questions about its hazards and its necessity in crop production. Last year, cotton growers applied for an emergency exemption for the use of propazine on three million acres of cotton because glyphosate was no longer effective.
MORE: http://www.beyondpesticides.org
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Grrrrrr
silverweb
(16,402 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Thanks for the info, I didn't know about that at all. It's far worse than I thought.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Roundup PROMAX®
Q: How does Roundup PROMAX® herbicide work?
A: The active ingredient in Roundup PROMAX herbicide is glyphosate, the common name for N-(phosphonomethyl) glycine. It inhibits an enzyme that is essential to formation of specific essential amino acids in plants. Roundup PROMAX is absorbed into green leaves or green stems of treated vegetation. Once there, glyphosate moves or "translocates" throughout the plant. Obvious signs of treatment may not be visible for one to four days in annual weeds and up to seven days or more in perennials. Visible effects include gradual wilting, yellowing - followed by complete browning, deterioration of plant tissue and ultimate decomposition of the underground roots and rhizomes. Since Roundup works only on plants that have emerged through the soil, it will not affect seeds below the soil surface that have not yet sprouted.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)And there's a Monsanto Protection Act!
wordpix
(18,652 posts)not to mention state governments.
I want to hear from Dem leaders on these issues before I give another cent to these telephone callers for the Dems
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)Hate poor regulation first.
Roundup is a brand name for Glyphosate, and yes that is Monsanto. However, EVERY cheical company now sells glyphosate.
End Monsanto tomorrow and we fix NOTHING.
Create meaningful regulation for our safety.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...and the body will die.
- I love the old standards......
A change is underway, fasten your safety belts........
NickB79
(19,233 posts)Industrial Ag, which compromises almost all the acreage now farmed in the US, is entirely dependent upon the herbicides, pesticides and hybrid seed companies like Monsanto and Cargill produce.
And I have serious doubts that farmers will idle their $400,000 combines, break up their 1,000-acre monocrops of corn and soy, and put hundreds of millions of acres of land back to smal-holding, diversified farming like it was a century ago voluntarily.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)take your pick.
I know a guy who grew up on a farm and has a terrible rash that itches and won't go away. He handled DDT in the 50's and maybe other stuff. His brother doesn't have the same problem - but the brother wasn't the one who applied the chemicals.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Archae
(46,318 posts)"...links Monsanto's Roundup to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and lung cancer..."
(Quote from the organic lobby)
Bull-SHIT.
That statement is from the organic lobby, which of course is going to grab onto this highly dicey "link" between Monsanto and cancer.
I mean for crying out loud, WATER is a probable carcinogen!
Going to publish all sorts of hysterics against bottled water makers?
AIR is a probable carcinogen!
Should the makers of air be smeared and slammed like Monsanto...oh that's right, no one makes air...
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)It was in ug/L.
Toxicological tests for glyphosate where in the 500 mg/kg range for oral exposure and found no effects.
The cancer risk cited here is for people who make glyphosate. People seem to forget that most things are dose-dependent.
goldent
(1,582 posts)Shift work - night shift in particular is apparently carcinogenic.
Sunshine - I think this one is well known, but it is good to be reminded that you should avoid the sun as the carcinogenic effect has been clearly demonstrated.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)read up, you're coming off as totally uninformed
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Perhaps you should look at the reality of this report.
GLYPHOSATE AS A CARCINOGEN, EXPLAINED
http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2015/03/glyphosate-as-a-carcinogen-explained.html
Epidemiologic studies of glyphosate and cancer: A review
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273230012000943
Expert reaction to carcinogenicity classification of five pesticides by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-carcinogenicity-classification-of-five-pesticides-by-the-international-agency-for-research-on-cancer-iarc/
The dose makes the poison.
https://doccamiryan.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/the-dose-makes-the-poison/
wordpix
(18,652 posts)"Crystal Gammon and Environmental Health News, Scientific American. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/ Jun 23, 2009
Truthout. http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/25426-one-little-piggy-had-birth-defects-is-monsantos-roundup-to-blame. Aug. 8, 2014
snip: One little piglet was born with only one large eye. A second piglet was missing an ear. A third piglet had a large hole in its skull. A fourth piglet had a monstrously huge "elephant tongue." A female piglet was born with testes. Still others had malformed limbs, spines, skulls and gastrointestinal tracts.
The pigs in question belonged to a Danish pig farmer. For three years he had fed his pigs ordinary, non-genetically modified soy. When he ran out, he bought the cheaper genetically modified (GM) soy pig feed. His herdsman, unaware of the feed switch, immediately noticed that the pigs lost their appetite and that the piglets developed diarrhea. Even worse was the sudden and shocking increase in birth defects. The farmer, eager to understand the cause, had 38 of the deformed pigs euthanized and tested for glyphosate, the herbicide used on the GM soy. The results were published in the April 2014 issue of the Journal of Environmental and Analytic Toxicology. The samples of lung, liver, kidney, brain, gut wall, heart and muscle all tested positive. snip
Any "researcher" can turn research on its head and say the sky is green. Just look at climate change deniers. I'll go with my sources ahead of yours, one of which explained, "In the present report the classification of glyphosate and malathion as carrying a Class IIA risk of causing cancer in humans reflects a variety of laboratory results with a small number of studies in man of varied quality and mixed conclusions." (Science Media Centre). This author goes on to say that, based on the above, glyphosate should be classified as lower risk.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Neither of which show much of anything.
I offer actual scientists explaining the actual science of the matter, and you think you can magically make the actual science disappear in order to keep your preconceived notions.
Science doesn't care about your preconceived notions.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)GLYPHOSATE AS A CARCINOGEN, EXPLAINED
http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2015/03/glyphosate-as-a-carcinogen-explained.html
Epidemiologic studies of glyphosate and cancer: A review
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273230012000943
Expert reaction to carcinogenicity classification of five pesticides by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-carcinogenicity-classification-of-five-pesticides-by-the-international-agency-for-research-on-cancer-iarc/
The dose makes the poison.
https://doccamiryan.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/the-dose-makes-the-poison/
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Kicked and recommended. Everyone should read this. People should not be using glyphosate in their yards or gardens. The trolls have arrived in this thread to push the use of this dangerous substance.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)Its not labeled for that. It is not safe for home gardens and definitely not safe for your yard unless your intention is to kill your lawn.
And it says all that right on the label, regardless of the maker.
The trolls have in fact landed in this thread.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Duh...homeowners...
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)On the other hand, most people have no way of knowing that Monsanto claims the studies proving that gylphosate is highly toxic as well as carcinogenic are ''Commercial Secrets.''
Monsanto Hides Toxicity Test Results on RoundUp, Calling them Commercial Secret
wordpix
(18,652 posts)We need a boycott campaign
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Botany
(70,490 posts)Thanx for the reminder.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Let's bring back the far more toxic herbicides of yesteryear!
The good old days!
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Trillo
(9,154 posts)Doc1: Cancer just happens.
Doc2: It's from Fukushima.
Doc3: It's from Glyphosate.
Doc4: What company were you insured with?
wordpix
(18,652 posts)not that it will. EPA is the biggest disappointment I have with this O admin, well, along with FDA, Dept. of Ag and a few others.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)GLYPHOSATE AS A CARCINOGEN, EXPLAINED
http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2015/03/glyphosate-as-a-carcinogen-explained.html
Epidemiologic studies of glyphosate and cancer: A review
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273230012000943
Expert reaction to carcinogenicity classification of five pesticides by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-carcinogenicity-classification-of-five-pesticides-by-the-international-agency-for-research-on-cancer-iarc/
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I am shocked at the poor scholarship in the IARC's carcinogen classification of glyphosate that was announced yesterday. The decision, which was published in Lancet Oncology under the auspices of the WHO, flat out lies about the contents of key cited works. Someone needs to be fired.
Here's the link. http://www.thelancet.com/.../PIIS1470-2045%2815.../fulltext
This text is the decision's entire address of the evidence for human carcinogenicity: "Case-control studies of occupational exposure in the USA,14 Canada,6 and Sweden7 reported increased risks for non-Hodgkin lymphoma that persisted after adjustment for other pesticides. The AHS cohort did not show a significantly increased risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma."
OK, so three case-control studies show association while a cohort study doesn't. Weak evidence, probable carcinogen, right? Wrong! None of those three studies showed association.
The USA study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12937207?dopt=Abstract
Table 3, effect estimates for use of specific pesticides and nhl incidence adjusting for use of other pesticides. Glyphosate, 95% CI odds ratio interval .9 to 2.8, not statistically significant. Results before adjustment not reported.
The Canada study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11700263?dopt=Abstract
Table 2, herbicides: frequency of exposure to herbicides. Glyphosate, 95% CI odds ratio .87-1.80, not statistically significant.
After adjustment, .83-1.74, not statistically significant.
The Sweden study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18623080?dopt=Abstract
Table 7, multivariate analyses including agents according to specified criteria, see text. Glyphosate, multivariate, 95% CI OR .77-2.94, not statistically significant. They do report barely-significant results before adjustment, but that wasn't the claim.
So, they say that these three case-control studies all showed greater exposure among cases than controls, and yet all three of them show no such thing. This is being published in a prestigious peer reviewed journal under the auspices of an important international body, and being used to inform regulatory decision making and the public. What on earth is going on?"
wordpix
(18,652 posts)snip: One little piglet was born with only one large eye. A second piglet was missing an ear. A third piglet had a large hole in its skull. A fourth piglet had a monstrously huge "elephant tongue." A female piglet was born with testes. Still others had malformed limbs, spines, skulls and gastrointestinal tracts.
The pigs in question belonged to a Danish pig farmer. For three years he had fed his pigs ordinary, non-genetically modified soy. When he ran out, he bought the cheaper genetically modified (GM) soy pig feed. His herdsman, unaware of the feed switch, immediately noticed that the pigs lost their appetite and that the piglets developed diarrhea. Even worse was the sudden and shocking increase in birth defects. The farmer, eager to understand the cause, had 38 of the deformed pigs euthanized and tested for glyphosate, the herbicide used on the GM soy. The results were published in the April 2014 issue of the Journal of Environmental and Analytic Toxicology. The samples of lung, liver, kidney, brain, gut wall, heart and muscle all tested positive.
Crystal Gammon and Environmental Health News, Scientific American. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/ Jun 23, 2009
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)How do fail to understand that?
It appears that you really don't understand the first thing about any of this.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)...is you, as your pro-Monsanto/pro-GMO propaganda efforts here on DU have failed miserably at convincing anyone.
I'm afraid your paymasters aren't getting their money's worth.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)How very unethical of you.