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Judi Lynn

(160,526 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:05 AM Mar 2015

Chile abortion arrest: sick woman is reported to police after going to hospital

Source: Guardian

Chile abortion arrest: sick woman is reported to police after going to hospital

Country’s total ban on abortion back in spotlight after doctor reported patient, 25, to police on suspicion of using drug to terminate pregnancy

Jonathan Franklin in Santiago
Tuesday 24 March 2015 23.42 EDT


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A 25-year-old hospital patient has been arrested in Chile after a surgeon suspected the woman had deliberately induced an abortion.

The patient had entered the Carlos Cisterna public hospital on Sunday complaining of severe abdominal pain and vaginal bleeding. She was taken to surgery but when a doctor suspected the involvement of a prescription drug known as Misotrol – widely used for abortions in Latin America – he notified Chilean police.

Chile is one of only six countries in the world where abortion is illegal under any circumstances – even rape. The current government has pledged to change this.

The woman remained in medical care and under arrest on Tuesday, according to Patricio Toro, director of the hospital in the northern city of Calama. She was not being named.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/25/chile-abortion-arrest-sick-woman-held-after-going-to-hospital-for-help

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Chile abortion arrest: sick woman is reported to police after going to hospital (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2015 OP
How backwards and awful this situation is. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #1
plus 1 Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #7
not even in cases of rape... what is wrong with these people? n/t secondwind Mar 2015 #2
It surprises me that rpannier Mar 2015 #3
Central America is actually an interesting story: UNFPA investigators MisterP Mar 2015 #6
Fascinating rpannier Mar 2015 #9
"nationhood flows from the womb" IIRC MisterP Mar 2015 #10
I wish more details had been SamKnause Mar 2015 #4
The GOP intends to bring this to the USA. Count on it. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #5
+1000 hamsterjill Mar 2015 #8
it used to be that way here. Alameda Mar 2015 #11
I know. It's horrible. hamsterjill Mar 2015 #12
It could lead to Alameda Apr 2015 #13
No, it's not impossible. hamsterjill Apr 2015 #14

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,607 posts)
1. How backwards and awful this situation is.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:20 AM
Mar 2015

I think things are truly awful in our own country, but compared to Chile, we are a bastion of enlightenment.

I hope that the current government will do as it says it will and lift these restrictions.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
3. It surprises me that
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 02:29 AM
Mar 2015

Nicaragua and El Salvador are on the same list as Chile
Not as surprised that Dominican Republic is on it. No particular reason. I've never been there.
Malta, not at all surprised. The Catholic Church is a presence there.
As for Vatican City... Do any non-religious order women live there?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
6. Central America is actually an interesting story: UNFPA investigators
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:55 PM
Mar 2015

found that devout Catholics were 10-20 percentage points more pro-choice than atheists in the late 60s and the 70s

the Salvadoran students' union called it "preemptive genocide" (reducing the number of the poor--and preventing The Revolution from happening by reducing misery) and Honduras's 70s Communist Youth were the ones beating up any doctor who talked about contraception on the National University's campus and even cancelling demographics from the curriculum ("We've convinced them that to carry out such a program is to act against the nation. ... The Medical School will never allow a plan of North American penetration to be carried out in its name!&quot

Salvadoran editors (pre-Humanæ Vitæ) opined that Central America "should think of birth control only after it has twice the population of England or France. At one point he speaks of Central America's resources being sufficient for a population ten times its present size" and the Hondurans' belief 1970 was "If we would have had more people, El Salvador would not have dared to invade us" in 1969: 75% of intelligentsia and 60% of students in Honduras thought that a doubled or tripled population was needed to end poverty; Planned Parenthood's job was labeled as "assuring the domination of western civilization" by keeping foreigners in control of the Third World: the First World feared "that their prestige and power positions might be threatened if our countries grow too fast"; one French-educated Honduran atheist said that "A situation now favorable to the U.S. will no longer be so once Latin America triples its present population," and leftists were likelier to oppose family planning if irreligious (39% right was pro-planning vs. 29% left): 24% of the right denied that growth increased poverty, as opposed to 50% of the far left (Axel Mundigo)

in the 80s it was the decidedly un-religious (but very male-dominated) human-rights orgs opposing legalizing abortion way more than the Archdiocese in the newspapers, and the guerrilla movements called the Pill a "soft bullet" or "genocide before the fact" since less hunger meant less recruits

it's not that new either: 20s France was the only European country to see its population fall, so abortionists were outlawed and called national traitors there, too: many of Central America's intelligentsia were French-educated, often under M. Sauvy himself

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
9. Fascinating
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:18 AM
Mar 2015

Thank you for sharing
I do vaguely remember when I was at university in the 80's my professors talking about anti-abortion movements within revolutionary organizations. Accusing supporters of being pro-American

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
10. "nationhood flows from the womb" IIRC
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:44 PM
Mar 2015

but this isn't just "forget everything you knew about abortion" but a sort of "anatomization" of sexual politics: take the case of the 30-years-for-miscarriage law in El Salvador--the Catholic Church is against it (ostensibly for Thomist reasons but it's clearly a cover), the Evangelicals see it as a plot of Satan (like farm co-ops), the rebel FMLN is significantly against it (like with Daniel Ortega's '08 win), and the law was written and passed by ARENA, which shoots clergy and archbishops; even many human-rights orgs are against it (as a "band-aid" when we should be giving everyone the same income)--so the attitude is pervasive regardless of politics or background

if it were just one party or faction imposing it the pattern would be different--it's like the Iraq War: if it were just the Bible-coders and the guys who think that any voice you hear is God's and the guys still thinking it's 1953; BUT once the Hitchenses and Harrises and Kerries and Clintons and Reids start demanding it, it became something else: broad-spectrum support had a disproportionate effect here

so against everything we think we know, it was illiterate campesina dirt-farmers who were going for abortions (and it might be their super-macho husbands and BFs driving and guarding them): the more middle-class could get the Pill black-market and went far less often to "certain" clinics; one-fifth of Salvadoran and one-quarter of Honduran women were getting an abortion every year, against everything Barry Commoner told us!

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
4. I wish more details had been
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 02:38 AM
Mar 2015

provided in the article.

What made the physician suspicious ?

Was the patient given a drug test ?

Did the drug tests show that Misotrol was present in her blood stream ?

Are all women who suffer miscarriages treated in this manner ?

Women the world over should have control over their own bodies.

No women should be forced to carry a fetus that is a result of rape.

No women should be forced to carry a fetus that threatens her health or mental well being.

No women should be forced to carry a fetus if she is restricted from obtaining birth control because of religious beliefs, an abusive partner, or government regulations.

This lady should not be in jail.

Hello Judi,

I hope you and yours are well and safe.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
8. +1000
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:07 AM
Mar 2015

The shape of things to come.

And a physician reporting someone? What happened to "first do no harm"?

Absolutely sickening to me.

Alameda

(1,895 posts)
11. it used to be that way here.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:48 AM
Mar 2015

....most here are too young to know how things were before....it was bad. If a doctor suspected you of intentionally aborting, there could be problems.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
12. I know. It's horrible.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:47 PM
Mar 2015

I wish we could get those that ARE too young to wake up and realize just how very important a woman's right to choose is to equality, etc. The repercussions of overturning Roe v. Wade would be endless and womankind would wind up back in a subservient role. All strides for equality would be lost.

Scares the hell outta me. Can't believe it is 2015 and we're still having to fight this fight.

Alameda

(1,895 posts)
13. It could lead to
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:13 AM
Apr 2015

check points to check if women are carrying a life. As bizzar as it sounds, it is not impossible. Any woman , of child bearng age, or appearance could be stopped.
Maybe we could carry cards, "not fertile"?

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
14. No, it's not impossible.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:20 PM
Apr 2015

If the Republicans got their way, that would be the norm.

I simply cannot fathom why anyone thinks it is their business to decide if a woman has or does not have a baby.

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