Arizona law requires abortion providers to tell women procedure is reversible

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

Arizona law requires abortion providers to tell women procedure is reversible

Bill forces providers to say they can reverse drug-induced abortions, and also bars women from buying healthcare that includes abortion coverage

Associated Press in Phoenix
Thursday 26 March 2015 17.11 EDT

Arizona lawmakers approved legislation that requires abortion providers to tell women they can reverse the effects of a drug-induced abortion.

Advocates on both sides of the issue said it’s the first time such a reversal requirement has passed in the US, though Arkansas also is considering similar legislation. Critics say there’s no science to back up the requirement.

The Senate passed the proposal Wednesday on an 18-11 vote. It now heads to Republican governor Doug Ducey, who has pledged to defend the right to life but hasn’t weighed in on this specific legislation.

The law would also bar women from buying any healthcare plan through the federal marketplace – set up by President Obama’s embattled healthcare law – that includes abortion coverage.







Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/26/arizona-drug-induced-abortions-law

[uppityperson]

1. Um, WHAT?

[bananas]

26. "This ability to reverse was not even known until recently"

From the article:

A House committee amended the legislation last week to include a provision added after an anti-abortion doctor testified that he recently reversed a drug-induced abortion at 10 weeks, though he acknowledged the procedure is not widely known.

“This ability to reverse was not even known until recently,” said Dr Allan Sawyer, chairman of the bioethics committee at Banner Thunderbird medical center.

Allan said doctors can give a woman a drug known as progesterone to stop an abortion after she has taken the first of two medications needed to complete the procedure.

[uppityperson]

27. Thanks. I read that they can stop the drug from taking effect, but you can't reverse an abortion.

You can stop it from proceeding, but you can't reverse it.

[bananas]

29. Yeah, the headline made me do a double-take too.

The fact is, sometimes people change their mind - it happens with suicide attempts, where a person will call 911 after slitting their wrist or swallowing a bottle of pills.

[uppityperson]

31. I was picturing a new use for an air compressor. Stopping vs reversing.

[elleng]

34. Exactly.

[DesertDiamond]

35. For the record, progesterone is a hormone, not a drug.

[Archae]

2. Once again politicians decide they know more than doctors...

[riversedge]

3. No provider would say that it reverses the drugs. this would be lying to the patient.

what have we become!!

[awoke_in_2003]

15. Maybe I am seeing too much conspiracy...

but if they make the provider say it is reversible (which it isn't), then the patient finds out the hard way it isn't reversible, then they can sue the provider. Could this be exactly what the republicans want?

[riversedge]

20. i understand what

you are saying but, to me, if pt. sued--this would automatically bring into the suit the state law--in which Repugs are implicated up to their necks. I do not see how this would be of any benefit to this ugly law.

[valerief]

4. You can UNPREGNANT yourself? Isn't that what abortion is? nt

[guillaumeb]

5. you may be interested in this info:

I was a Federal employee from 1976-2013. As a federal employee, I was enrolled in the FEHBP, a health plan group for employees. Under the Hyde Amendment, no Federal plan could fund any abortion services.

This law, and others like it, is a continuation and a by-product of this amendment.

Hyde Amendment

First passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment ensures that abortion is not covered in the comprehensive health care services provided by the federal government through Medicaid. Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered.

[cosmicone]

12. People still had abortions

They were called D&C (Dilation and Curettage) for painful menstruation.

[brett_jv]

18. I can see maybe how this might fall under Hyde in cases where a person is availing themselves ...

Of subsidies for the coverage ... but what about cases where one buys a plan from the exchange that they pay for entirely themselves (as is the case of my wife's plan, here in AZ)?

How can they POSSIBLY dictate that a person paying for a plan THEMSELVES ... cannot purchase a plan w/abortion coverage?

[guillaumeb]

22. my opinion only

but if their logic is that Federal funding provides the service than they might be extending that to mean certain services can be denied. The Hyde Amendment restricts access for certain reproductive services.

For federal employees purchasing a health plan, the FEHBP plans do not provide abortion services as a covered service. Plus in FEHBP the federal government provides a % of the premium.

Again, this is my opinion of what the GOP position might be.

[hobbit709]

6. Unfortunately that level of stupid is only painful to the observers

[barbtries]

7. that sounds like a law

that will be struck down at the first challenge. i'll buy the coverage i want and need.

[arcane1]

8. I don't even understand what the point would be. Would it prevent abortions? How?

It makes no sense!

[Fred Sanders]

9. American political Mullahs imposing Maria Law....what a last ditch mess they are making just before they all vanish.

[The Blue Flower]

10. Now they need to make retroactive abortion legal

[dixiegrrrrl]

14. In their case, I would propose retroactive birth control to their parents.

See how they like THEM apples.

[Dont call me Shirley]

11. The voters who voted this garbage into the legislature are mentally incapacitated by the stench.

[blackspade]

13. Shit, KY seems downright progressive these days....

[LiberalElite]

16. OF COURSE THERE'S NO SCIENCE BUT

since when does that stop these morans? The absence of a scientific proof is a plus to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God or whatever is out there PLEASE let me live long enough to see these idiots disappear.

[rladdi]

17. Arizona is most extreme and far right, Phoenix is even the training ground for the co pilot that

killed 149 people. AZ has the most radical and extreme in the nation. The sad issue is that many of them are women.

[azmom]

28. LOL

[malthaussen]

19. Well, hell I guess there is meaning after all to the expression "a little bit pregnant."

I think the last sentence of the excerpt should be noted.

-- Mal

[blkmusclmachine]

21. Compare to this~

Understanding Harper's Evangelical Mission - Signs mount that Canada's government is beholden to a religious agenda averse to science and rational debate

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/03/26/Harper-Evangelical-Mission/

[rladdi]

23. Amazing that the Republican law makers are so smart about drugs, medical procedures and other

medical issues. They seem to be the most intelligent even over scientist, medical personal, lawyers, etc. AZ is so lucky to elect such smart law makers the do nothing for the safety of the people of AZ, or pass bills to ban bottles/cans and plastics. The AAA give up on them to pass any safety laws. Humans and animals can ride in the back of an open truck going 80 mph on the freeway. There is not law banning that. Republicans feel that takes away the freedom of the individuals.
Yet they have no concern about all the freedom they have taken away in the bills they pass.

[3catwoman3]

24. And they claim to not be able to understand climate change.

Selective ignorance.

[Liberal_in_LA]

25. wtf

[dolphinsandtuna]

30. legal?

The law would also bar women from buying any healthcare plan through the federal marketplace – set up by President Obama’s embattled healthcare law – that includes abortion coverage.

Can they do this? I thought the feds trumped the states.

[LynneSin]

32. Reversable? Wouldn't that just be 'I'm pregnant again'

[Nye Bevan]

33. "Reversible" seems like a very poor way of phrasing it (nt)

[niyad]

36. it is truly a sad commentary on this society that ignorant, woman-hating cretins are allowed

to make laws governing our autonomy.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

37. seriously. it's terrifying to me.

Thank DOG I'm past childbearing age. For myself, anyway. But what must it be like for the ones who aren't?

[father founding]

38. Reversible applies to death also

Proof is in the Arizona Lawmakers.

[Grins]

39. What war on women? (N/M)

[niyad]

40. didn't you hear?? according to some meeting of puke women last week, the war

on women has been won (although, not by women)