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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:52 AM Mar 2015

Russian air controllers charged for Polish presidential jet disaster

Source: AFP

Pilot error was to blame for the 2010 crash of a Polish presidential jet in Russia, but two Russian air traffic controllers also triggered the disaster that killed Poland's then head of state, prosecutors in Warsaw said Friday.

The aircraft went down in thick fog while approaching Smolensk airport in western Russia killing 96, including then president Lech Kaczynski, his wife, the central bank head and military chief of staff among others.

One of the Russian controllers charged with "being directly responsible for having endangered air traffic... while the other is charged with unintentionally causing an air traffic disaster," Warsaw's chief military prosecutor Ireneusz Szelag told reporters.

He said Poland would take steps to bring the two unnamed Russian citizens to justice, but declined to provide any further details.

Read more: https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-air-controllers-charged-polish-141758896.html

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Russian air controllers charged for Polish presidential jet disaster (Original Post) Bosonic Mar 2015 OP
Riight Demeter Mar 2015 #1
It's a little different situation Major Nikon Mar 2015 #2
What also goes unmentioned is that the captain was under immense pressure Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #5
Pilots refer to this affliction as 'get-there-itis' Major Nikon Mar 2015 #6
Well, Putin hired Johnny Cant- "761 land you are really pissing me off" snooper2 Mar 2015 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #3
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. Riight
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

Will they be suing the French ATC over the German co-pilot's unfortunate "accident", too?

Did the Russians put the pilot in the plane? Tell him lies? Goad his to show manhood? I want some details to show that this isn't as ridiculous as it sounds on its face.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
2. It's a little different situation
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:23 PM
Mar 2015

The Polish plane was on approach to an airport. The airport in question did not have an Instrument Landing System (ILS) which is installed at virtually every major US airport. This system allows for precision instrument approaches (both lateral and vertical guidance). Instead, the Russian airport had a Precision Approach Radar (PAR) system which requires the controllers to communicate with the aircrew and basically talk them down the approach. Discrepancies were noted in how the controllers conducted the approach, specifically with telling the crew they were on course and glidepath when they weren't and also for telling them to abort the approach 12 seconds too late.

There were also many errors that the aircrew committed, one of which was they never should have attempted the approach to begin with.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. What also goes unmentioned is that the captain was under immense pressure
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:11 PM
Mar 2015

from the VIPs aboard to land so they could get the memorial event started on time -- IIRC someone's chief of staff was heard on the CVR badgering the captain more than once...The captain knew a diversion would have probably cost him his job...

Also, IIRC, because this was a state visit, the Russian ATC had no authority to deny landing due to unsafe visibility conditions....Charging them is *really* going after the low guys on the totem pole

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
6. Pilots refer to this affliction as 'get-there-itis'
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:57 PM
Mar 2015

It is sometimes fatal.

I'm not sure how it works in Russia, but in the US ATC has no authority to deny landing due to unsafe visibility conditions. That doesn't remove them from culpability if they fail to perform their responsibilities. Crashes are often the result of multiple issues.

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