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alp227

(31,961 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:20 PM Mar 2015

Gowdy: Clinton wiped email server clean, deleted all emails

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton wiped her email server "clean," permanently deleting all emails from it, the Republican chairman of a House committee investigating the 2012 Benghazi attacks said Friday.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said the former secretary of state has failed to produce a single new document in recent weeks and has refused to relinquish her server to a third party for an independent review, as Gowdy has requested.

Clinton's attorney, David Kendall, said Gowdy was looking in the wrong place. Instead of asking Clinton for the emails, Gowdy should look to the State Department, which is "uniquely positioned to make available any documents responsive to your requests," Kendall said.

In a six-page letter released late Friday, Kendall said Clinton had turned over to the State Department all work-related emails sent or received during her tenure as secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/90be988c962a4beaaa1c8f0595ad2e61/gowdy-clinton-wiped-email-server-clean-deleted-all-emails

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Gowdy: Clinton wiped email server clean, deleted all emails (Original Post) alp227 Mar 2015 OP
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #1
Ruined their fun hollowdweller Mar 2015 #52
I'm laughing not at the Republicans, OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #89
Gowdy's a prosecuter? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #2
Trey Gowdy needs to go look for a place to pound sand Optical.Catalyst Mar 2015 #3
Smart woman ... our next President n/t cosmicone Mar 2015 #4
How do we know that she turned over all her emails or just the ones she wanted us to see? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #49
ah, I do believe that the bush admin and his cronies did do exactly that. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #51
I don't think he or she is defending bush. Gore1FL Mar 2015 #53
whatever correspondence she had via email with people at the state department- notadmblnd Mar 2015 #58
It was written in the administration polices, apparently. Gore1FL Mar 2015 #80
Exactly right. Fiendish Mar 2015 #87
I don't understand what you are asking here? notadmblnd Mar 2015 #91
I would expect that the home servers you describe aren't going to meet the needs of the SOS Gore1FL Mar 2015 #93
you seem to be under the impression that the entire state department was notadmblnd Mar 2015 #99
You could put everything you need LuvLoogie Mar 2015 #111
"But what about those sent that were not copied to any of them?" R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #95
You mean use the server that was already there? Thor_MN Mar 2015 #108
Bill Clinton actually had it installed when he left office. riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #140
I am sure the it persn did DrKZ Apr 2015 #223
So a system set up in 2001 is secure enough in 2015? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #229
It does not seem so much a defense of Bush as a questioning of double standards here. merrily Mar 2015 #66
for that particular poster- their expressed concern was certainly one sided notadmblnd Mar 2015 #72
Please, spare me you red flags. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #97
Riiiight. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #105
I'm glad you now agree with me. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #128
Bless your little heart. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #147
The query still remains... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #98
again, her communications with employees at the state department should be backed up notadmblnd Mar 2015 #104
A thoroughly disingenuous response FarrenH Mar 2015 #120
There is nothing that I wrote in any of my posts here that is untrue. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #121
They're regulations FarrenH Mar 2015 #122
Your link does not indicate whether it is pre or post HRC at State. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #123
It's right there in the URL FarrenH Mar 2015 #124
As far as your first para goes FarrenH Mar 2015 #125
And you are pulling BS out you hind end notadmblnd Mar 2015 #149
I doubt HRC's intelligence surpasses mine FarrenH Mar 2015 #185
Because you are every bit as juvenile as you accuse me of being notadmblnd Mar 2015 #192
I have noticed how people's IQ's seem to soar murielm99 Mar 2015 #193
I know if my IQ was 148 notadmblnd Mar 2015 #194
If your IQ was 148 FarrenH Mar 2015 #198
Yeah, you're a software engineer with an IQ of 148 who lives a very mundane life notadmblnd Mar 2015 #202
*Shrug* FarrenH Mar 2015 #197
You would think, people who function at such a high level of intelligence- notadmblnd Mar 2015 #203
"You have stated facts FarrenH Mar 2015 #200
Arent you just precious? notadmblnd Mar 2015 #201
"Because all relevant communications are not intra-departmental..." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #131
Informed response Laser102 Mar 2015 #148
But... but... but... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #130
Your argument is sophomoric at best... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #129
What ever notadmblnd Mar 2015 #146
Ah, the inevitable "i'm rubber, You're glue" defense. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #153
Keep it up. Enjoy yourself. Demeaning me isn't going notadmblnd Mar 2015 #154
Try re-reading what I wrote instead if playing the victim. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #155
in order for me to be a victim, I would have to care what you and others like you think notadmblnd Mar 2015 #157
Uh-huh... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #160
That is simply a statement. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #161
Whatever you say... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #183
You should see that guy in another forum.. It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #169
you tease. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #170
No tease. It's right here - in the I/P forum.. It is Tuesday Mar 2015 #171
thanks! I needed a clue. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #172
You're welcome to join us in I/P, and I am fair compared to R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #179
How do we know she didn't ??? n/t cosmicone Mar 2015 #114
We don't, but wiping the server looks very R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #132
It looks questionable cosmicone Mar 2015 #143
It doesn't look questionable to fanboys and the willfully ignorant. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #152
Calling people "willfully ignorant" reveals the bankruptcy cosmicone Mar 2015 #156
Well, it fits. Sorry if it hurts. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #159
NOT exactly DrKZ Apr 2015 #225
The way emails work cosmicone Apr 2015 #226
We know she turned obver the ones she wanted us to see Yupster Apr 2015 #234
My point. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #235
I'm drawing a parallel of the two. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #94
same issue with any & all politicians ---they're all doing it wordpix Mar 2015 #189
One of life's best punchlines is Yupster Apr 2015 #233
Had Kitzhaber been as "smart" as Hillary was in the same fashion moved to a private email server... cascadiance Mar 2015 #109
Your avatar and signature says it all. cosmicone Mar 2015 #112
The only thing that is "a scandal" w/HRC and her emails is the way the media and .... Botany Mar 2015 #5
Why do Clinton critics remind me of Roscoe P. Coltrane chasing the Dukes? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #6
Because Roscoe was chasing the Dukes because they were A Simple Game Mar 2015 #44
Thank you, Boss Hogg. cosmicone Mar 2015 #113
Being compared to Sorrell Booke? I'll take it, except for the dead part. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2015 #126
Good move, Hillary. Let the Republicans fabricate their own scandals. immoderate Mar 2015 #7
I would agree that giving the Gopigs any grist R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #137
What the GOP is trying to prove is that Clinton knew what was going on in Benghazi and OregonBlue Mar 2015 #158
Here's the thing. HRC should never have put herself R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #178
Personally I don't see it as a big deal and most of the newspapers seem to have lost OregonBlue Mar 2015 #210
"Personally I don't see it as a big deal" R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #212
Actually no. When I look at what the GOP has done around Benghazi, the way they have OregonBlue Apr 2015 #214
Well, I guess that you are comfirtable taking HRC word. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #215
After all his lies about Iraq and torture, etc. No. But yes, I assume she gave them OregonBlue Apr 2015 #216
So that seems like you gave two sets if standards. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #217
You go girl.....glad she did it! Gin Mar 2015 #8
They almost find something, then they might have, then they DO, then it is debunked, and then.... Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #9
Boner "has not ruled out a vote in the full House to force Clinton to turn over the server" wordpix Mar 2015 #191
More predictable than a rerun of Three's Company. Bengazi, Bengazi, Bengazi !!!! Monk06 Apr 2015 #222
Gowdy reminds me of this guy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #10
wow the Hillary fans are really circling wagons on this thread Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #11
Thank you for those Rush Limbaugh talking points. leftofcool Mar 2015 #14
I don't think it is fair to say people who oppose Hillary are Rush Limbaugh folks MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #221
"this is a clear-cut case of felony obstruction of justice" Botany Mar 2015 #16
Well, I see you're taking Gowdy's side on this. We won't forget that. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #18
Only "side" I'm taking is with the rule of law Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #23
We don't know when the server was wiped. riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #24
We don't know IF the server was wiped wyldwolf Mar 2015 #25
True but I'd lay money on it being clean riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #27
oh me, too. But when it comes to this GOP bunch we don't know if they're lying or stupid wyldwolf Mar 2015 #28
If they open their mouths revmclaren Apr 2015 #230
We do know the server shouldn't have ever existed. Gore1FL Mar 2015 #55
We don't know that. She broke no laws as they existed. n/t cosmicone Mar 2015 #115
She didn't follow administration policy. Gore1FL Mar 2015 #117
Cleaned server RayStar Mar 2015 #195
Man is right dolphinsandtuna Mar 2015 #30
Just like 'man was right' about White Water, Vince Foster, etc. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #33
Was I? Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #76
Considering All The Insane Attacks The Clintons Have Endured Yallow Mar 2015 #68
Name the law which was broken, she wasnt an emoloyee of the state dept but Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #31
Thank you. MsInformed Mar 2015 #35
I did Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #79
It's called "obstruction of justice" Botany Mar 2015 #107
That's not a requirement Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #110
Bottom Line ..... Botany Mar 2015 #134
You need to go back to law school (if you ever went) cosmicone Mar 2015 #116
I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton RiverNoord Mar 2015 #34
Thank you Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #37
In this instance, what is the relevance of how many state discovery laws existaa? merrily Mar 2015 #65
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #82
Dumbass, different kind of idiot, etc. Please get back to me when you learn civility. Or not. merrily Mar 2015 #84
DING DING DING! We have a winner. (Thanks) n/t COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #232
Thank you. Don't 840high Mar 2015 #62
"We won't forget that" Android3.14 Mar 2015 #38
The only bullies are the GOP congress and their fans wyldwolf Mar 2015 #40
In H.S. we called them bullies. 840high Mar 2015 #63
"We won't forget that" sounds ominous. Larry Engels Mar 2015 #46
THEY'VE GOT DOSSIERS! OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #90
Who is the "we" you speak off. What a 840high Mar 2015 #67
Have you ever considered working for the GOP House Oversight Committee? cheapdate Mar 2015 #21
...... merrily Mar 2015 #59
The billing records were the first thing I thought of too Yupster Mar 2015 #211
Haha. Trey, wipe that egg off your face. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #12
Thats not egg... Historic NY Mar 2015 #29
It must be Gowdy doody. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #41
LOL katsy Mar 2015 #13
Givem hell Hillary! leftofcool Mar 2015 #15
Good for her! jzola Mar 2015 #17
Good for her? Would you accept this from her R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #100
Her personal information is none of their business. Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #19
Fuck Trey Gowdy Doody ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2015 #20
Another Republican Dirtbag Yallow Mar 2015 #71
Good for Hil! vlyons Mar 2015 #22
The only thing that Hillary has an obligation to release is... AngryAmish Mar 2015 #26
Rank & file Democrats have now TM99 Mar 2015 #32
Are you a RWer? Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #39
Are you an adolescent? TM99 Mar 2015 #64
Nope, just slightly past adolescent. Yes the RW thinls this is a problem ergo my Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #69
Well then you have a lot of growing up to do. TM99 Mar 2015 #83
If the GOP had a chance in this fight it would have occurred on previous investigations. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #101
Hate is oozing from the words you write. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #45
The only thing I dislike strongly TM99 Mar 2015 #60
No bullshit in calling the RW hack job that will be going thru Nov 2016. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #74
I am not concerned with political games. TM99 Mar 2015 #78
She didn't do stupid and impulsive. I doubt you or any of us here misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #85
"We know little" tjl148 Mar 2015 #92
Now your own adolescence is showing.. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #103
Do you work for the repugs? tjl148 Mar 2015 #118
What rock have you been hiding under? TM99 Mar 2015 #119
Please, Draco, Darb Mar 2015 #136
Such a wonderful example TM99 Mar 2015 #176
Obviously got under your thin skin, si or no? Darb Mar 2015 #207
Nah, trolls are best left ignored. TM99 Apr 2015 #218
Did you just call me a troll? Darb Apr 2015 #237
Adults can have meaningful conversations TM99 Apr 2015 #238
It may well have been worth it for her marshall Mar 2015 #199
+1 tjl148 Mar 2015 #88
I agree with you..... sendero Mar 2015 #184
I think we can all be guilty of hypocrisy at times. TM99 Mar 2015 #188
Is that you Draco Malfoy? Darb Mar 2015 #135
Truly an adolescent. TM99 Mar 2015 #174
And you can keep pining for a pony. Darb Mar 2015 #206
Makes me proud to be a Democrat! RiverLover Mar 2015 #36
But you know, a lot of people in this thread are saying just that. Larry Engels Mar 2015 #48
Me too. RiverLover Mar 2015 #57
What is more shameful is seeing DU'ers align themselves with professional liars like Gowdy emulatorloo Mar 2015 #150
+1, but more than merely queasy merrily Mar 2015 #61
Wow looks like Gomert and DU have something in common. RandySF Mar 2015 #106
Concern noted, fellas. Darb Mar 2015 #138
Sanders and Warren dreamers are even harder to satisfy cosmicone Mar 2015 #173
Obstruction of justice is OK if you are a Democrat. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #231
GOPers with the alliance with corporate media, hate radio and RW social media will 24/7 Iliyah Mar 2015 #42
Trey Gowdy must hunt with Dick Cheney. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #43
Haahaaaha. zzzzing misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #47
What does "wiped clean" mean in this case? Larry Engels Mar 2015 #50
Trey Gowdy used to dye his hair an unrealistic blonde color. MADem Mar 2015 #54
other people are doing the same? quadrature Mar 2015 #56
Oh, this is getting good. Beacool Mar 2015 #70
Of course she wiped the server - she owned it. leveymg Mar 2015 #73
No difference between her and a Repub, in terms of crookedness. TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #75
Why did he not go to the .gov server, that is where the email are, guess that one is wiped clean. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #77
Agreed. The story is nothing but her detractors need something to talk about. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #81
way to deal with republicans Willem Mar 2015 #86
Hillary refusing to play the GOP's game anymore automatically means the worst? jmowreader Mar 2015 #96
I've heard enough, now don't run for President Reter Mar 2015 #102
Wishful thinking I suspect. Darb Mar 2015 #139
Wow, a lot of people here don't know how email works. SansACause Mar 2015 #127
that's pretty much what her lawyer said OKNancy Mar 2015 #142
Then why delete them? B2G Mar 2015 #151
Only to make repigs' life suck even more n/t cosmicone Mar 2015 #175
Well good thing it's not making HER life suck B2G Mar 2015 #177
She will get sympathy and immunity cosmicone Mar 2015 #205
What makes you think she only sent emails to SOS workers? Larry Engels Mar 2015 #166
I wonder if anyone else believes that investigations, such as Madmiddle Mar 2015 #133
This really smells. Think about it. Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #141
She turned over 30,000 pages of official correspondence to the State Department. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #144
That's not my point Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #162
I delete my personal correspondence all the time... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #163
Really? All of it? Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #164
I don't even back up my computer...If it goes it goes and I will just start again... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #165
Good question. Larry Engels Mar 2015 #168
Maybe she made print copies of everything marshall Mar 2015 #181
She is not Amish she was a Senator and Secretary of State DrKZ Apr 2015 #224
Get your facts straight. Darb Mar 2015 #145
You haven't refuted anybody. Larry Engels Mar 2015 #167
Uh, the very next post refuted it, smart guy, if I did too it would be redundant. Darb Mar 2015 #208
Sorry, your post is incomprehensible. Larry Engels Mar 2015 #209
Sorry, I will define some things for you, Darb Apr 2015 #219
Actually it does and that is a problem DrKZ Apr 2015 #228
Honestly, the grandmother stuff doesn't bother me a bit Yupster Apr 2015 #236
Hey, Gowdy!.... paleotn Mar 2015 #180
Degaussing is the term, but the GOP sheep can follow something being wiped,,,,, benld74 Mar 2015 #182
Well they're old people you know and like me I can remember a time when disk platters were washed notadmblnd Mar 2015 #204
Blackmail?... we should assume that the Russians... quadrature Mar 2015 #186
I thought the omniescent NSA was reading (and collecting) all our E-mail Midnight Writer Mar 2015 #187
once again, this looks like more Benghazi BS wordpix Mar 2015 #190
Good mwrguy Mar 2015 #196
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #213
Kick for Webb 2016 HR_Pufnstuf Apr 2015 #220
I'm glad she did. Smart Lady. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #227
 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
52. Ruined their fun
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:25 PM
Mar 2015

I'm sure they had really hoped to get the server, and sort of gradually leak any scandalous or potentially hurtful emails out to the news organizations and right wing news outlets.

Normally I would say that failing to turn the server over gives the wrong impression. However truth is no matter what was on it or not on it they would have tried to spin some sinister tale just like they would if it was clean.
 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
89. I'm laughing not at the Republicans,
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:42 PM
Mar 2015

but at those who believe some sort of "victory" was achieved for "our side" when Hillary Clinton alone can decide what's personal and what's business, and then wipe her server clean when it's time to be inspected.

TPP? Haiti? Who needs transparency?

It's not like a precedent hadn't already been set...

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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
49. How do we know that she turned over all her emails or just the ones she wanted us to see?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:56 PM
Mar 2015




If Bush had done that what would we be saying?

Gore1FL

(21,030 posts)
53. I don't think he or she is defending bush.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:32 PM
Mar 2015

Like that poster, I was unhappy with Bush's email being housed on RNC servers. I am unhappy with the way Clinton handled her emails.

I am not sure how the handling of either would be considered reasonable and without question by a casual observer.

That's not defending Bush nor attacking Clinton. It's suggesting transparency and accountability in government should be revered and certainly more powerful than a hard-drive wiping utility.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
58. whatever correspondence she had via email with people at the state department-
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:43 PM
Mar 2015

should be backed up at the state department. So even if she erased her hard drive, there are still copies of her correspondence at the state department- so transparency is not an issue. If Gowdy and his minions are too lazy to sift through all emails of people HRC had correspondence with at the state department- how is that HRC's problem?

Where is it written that she was supposed to make it easy for him or anyone else for that matter?

Gore1FL

(21,030 posts)
80. It was written in the administration polices, apparently.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:24 PM
Mar 2015

I'm an IT guy. That setup was either 1> costly, or 2> insecure.

Who puts a server in their home so they can avoid using their Work email? Why is this better than the Bush admin putting their email on RNC servers? Why is this better than Sarah Palin using Gmail to conduct AK state business?

How did anyone think this was a good idea? It's great there are copies of the email she sent to state dept personnel (who didn't install a data center in their basement.) But what about those sent that were not copied to any of them?

Accountability isn't only for the people we don't agree with. If we don't demand it of people we support, we have no business criticizing Bush, Palin, or anyone else.

 

Fiendish

(47 posts)
87. Exactly right.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:39 PM
Mar 2015

Saying "B-b-but Bush did it too!" isn't a response to this issue. Wrong doesn't become right simply because someone else did it first. It was wrong when Bush did it, and it's wrong that Hillary did it, as well.

It rings hollow to claim the moral high ground and then excuse wrongdoing when it's "our" team or person that does it. It is, in fact, hypocrisy.

I can't imagine why Hillary thought this was a good idea. Even if there was nothing sinister or questionable going on in her emails, it still poisons the well and hands the GOP (or a primary challenger, for that matter) a weapon.

But the bottom line is that we can't cry foul when someone else does it, and then turn around and excuse it when one of our own does it. That's just not right.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
91. I don't understand what you are asking here?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:46 PM
Mar 2015

"But what about those sent that were not copied to any of them?"

I'm not necessarily a HRC supporter, and I know several IT professionals who have their own mail servers.

BTW, setting up a mail server at your home does not require a raised floor environment. I have several devices at my home and it in no way constitutes a data center. I know this because I have worked in huge data centers with thousands of servers for nearly 30 years.

If HRC has done anything illegal, charge her and get on with it, else quit whining and move on.

Gore1FL

(21,030 posts)
93. I would expect that the home servers you describe aren't going to meet the needs of the SOS
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:57 PM
Mar 2015

It's easy to set up an exchange server. No one is arguing that.

Setting up and maintaining a secured environment with backup, fail-over, storage, to support the Secretary of State of the United States is a little different.

I never said HRC did anything illegal. Neither did Bush or Palin in the incidents I gave as examples. It's a pretty obvious violation of the Administrations policy. It shows horrible judgement.

For that judgement I criticized and criticize the very legal acts of official document mismanagement of all three.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
99. you seem to be under the impression that the entire state department was
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:20 AM
Mar 2015

assigned to her mail server. Why would she need mass storage for one individual? Even a fail over wouldn't require a data center environment.

You claim that it shows horrible judgment, However, it seems to me that it is a very prudent thing to do since it is fairly apparent that it is standard operating procedure for so many government officials. Who, I might add- have suffered no consequences for their horrible judgement.

LuvLoogie

(6,854 posts)
111. You could put everything you need
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:17 AM
Mar 2015

on one two-post rack. Your main server with RAID5 and a back up with RAID1. You could have redundant switches, routers and 4 different modems for two different service providers, UPS, PDUs. It's just email.

All the real-time serious shit gets done over the phone anyway.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
108. You mean use the server that was already there?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:48 AM
Mar 2015

The server already existed, it was in a secure location. It was created for Bill's use. The cost was the cost of setting up her account, if she did not already have an email account on it.

So your two point plan to raise questions (You being an IT person and all) is a double fail.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
140. Bill Clinton actually had it installed when he left office.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:18 AM
Mar 2015

Hillary was using the server originally set up for a former President of the United States.

I presume his IT person knew what they were doing and that it was secure enough for the SoS.

 

DrKZ

(53 posts)
223. I am sure the it persn did
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:21 PM
Apr 2015

BUT the word former president is different than someone who holds an office and that is problematic. You know I used my work email for pretty much everything until I found out that we switched to storing it all on a central server I asked what that meant and then got a separate personal email account. I think even if she was completely in the dark about the net she should have asked which is the most transparent use of my email in the office

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
229. So a system set up in 2001 is secure enough in 2015?
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

Only if they've been upgrading all along, and keeping on top of issues like heartbleed. Heck, an off the shelf 2015 Dell or HP laptop is probably more robust than whatever they had back in 2001.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
72. for that particular poster- their expressed concern was certainly one sided
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:02 PM
Mar 2015

and perhaps my stating that he was defending bush here was the wrong thing to say- however, bringing up the former admin and asking what Democrats would do or think if they had engaged in it- sent a red flag up for me.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
98. The query still remains...
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:19 AM
Mar 2015

"How do we know that she turned over all her emails or just the ones she wanted us to see?"

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
104. again, her communications with employees at the state department should be backed up
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:31 AM
Mar 2015

on state department servers. See, sending and receiving email goes both ways. What you write stays on the server you wrote it on and it also goes to and stays on the server you send it to.

Someone needs to get up off their lazy asses and compare the emails she sent from her private server to the emails she sent to the state departments servers.

Will it be an easy job? No, it will be time consuming and a lot like looking for a needle in a haystack. It will involve entering various sorts, however it can be done. If the GOP thinks that HRC is hiding something nefarious, they will do the legwork, if not- they'll just continue to bitch as they have done thus far.

FarrenH

(768 posts)
120. A thoroughly disingenuous response
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:07 AM
Mar 2015

since regulations require the retention for public records of all electronic communications relating to State Department work.

Quite obviously that is not just intra-departmental communications. It's absurd on it's face to claim or imply that it is. In fact one would expect a mountain of extra-departmental communication, which obviously is not backed up on State Department servers.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
121. There is nothing that I wrote in any of my posts here that is untrue.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:35 AM
Mar 2015

If HRC was sending email extra-departmental, then it is only logical that she was also sending it intra-departmental as the word EXTRA means "in addition" hence the state department will have copies backed up.


And no, they were not regulations. They were only guidelines when HRC was at State.


There's no ban on government employees setting up and using private email accounts. But using those accounts for government business is allowed only if the official retains a copy of each record on her official account or forwards a copy within 20 days.

But the law requiring those steps was signed by President Barack Obama in November 2014, nearly two years after Clinton left the State Department

What was that you were saying about being disingenuous?

FarrenH

(768 posts)
122. They're regulations
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:18 AM
Mar 2015

I've read the actual pre- and post- Clinton tenure regulations and while the post- regulations (which make what she did explicitly illegal) are obviously not applicable, the prior regulations that were in place while she was there still stipulate requirements that make her actions legally questionable. If you're interested the relevant regulations are here: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title36-vol3/pdf/CFR-2011-title36-vol3-sec1236-22.pdf

It's also worth reading the general record-keeping regulations that the above regulations clarify for email communications. The regulations in place *during her tenure* explicitly require that all electronic communications and records, including calendars and task lists, of state employees conducting state business *must* be retained in a suitable form by the state, on state equipment. It's not optional. The later regulations only further introduced the restriction on using outside equipment then transferring it to the state.

The questionable bit, in terms of fulfillment of the regulations in place during her tenure, is the implied requirement of all such regulations that compliance can be proven to have happened to the satisfaction of any third party with standing. That's entirely missing from Team Hillary's we're-in-compliance-because-we-said-we-gave-the-department-everything approach, which is something like an accountant telling the IRS "we paid all the tax we owed but you can't look at our books - you'll just have to take our word on it"

And your response to my response is as disingenuous as your prior argument. My criticism was specifically of your directly implied argument that all the relevant communications were intra-departmental, when obviously they were not. Instead of answering that criticism, your response talked about something totally different.

The question was asked ""How do we know that she turned over all her emails or just the ones she wanted us to see?"

You replied (precis) "All of the evidence can be found on State Department servers"

Because all relevant communications are not intra-departmental, your response is factually innaccurate.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
123. Your link does not indicate whether it is pre or post HRC at State.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:35 AM
Mar 2015

I never said her communications were strictly with the State Department. It is common knowledge that she used the mail server for personal mail too. So I'd have to be an idiot to imply what you just suggested. You simply made that up in your mind so you could accuse me of not being truthful.

Never mind that you ignored the point I made that extra departmental mail would also have gone to State. NO, I'm not the disingenuous one in this debate and just because you keep repeating it, does not make it true.

FarrenH

(768 posts)
125. As far as your first para goes
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:48 AM
Mar 2015

I can't figure out whether you're willfully avoiding an honest answer to the criticism tendered or have comprehension problems.

I'm not talking about personal email. The criticism had nothing to do with personal email. I suggested nothing about personal email, so you're now responding to things I didn't say.

The State Department officially communicates with parties outside of the United States Government via email, along with other mediums. Such communications are not personal emails. They are official communications covered by the above regulations. And the recipient records of such communications cannot be found on servers owned by the United States Government.

Therefore your earlier claim is factually incorrect

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
149. And you are pulling BS out you hind end
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015

So I guess that makes us equals.

HRC did not just fall off the turnip truck. Her intelligence surpasses both of ours combined. She is well aware that it would be foolish to even attempt to communicate any nefarious business via any server or telephone line?

So you and your pals here can keep digging, maybe you will hit pay dirt in time for her re-election.

FarrenH

(768 posts)
185. I doubt HRC's intelligence surpasses mine
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:51 PM
Mar 2015

I have a tested IQ of around 148. Political and/or commercial success is not simply the result of high intelligence, but contingent on quite a few factors.

Noted: That having been shown to have undeniably made a factually incorrect statement and having had the relevant regulations pointed out to you, your riposte is to simply assert that your opponent is speaking bullshit, without any attempt to demonstrate how any of the points put to you were bullshit with evidence or logic.

Why am I reminded of a kid in the schoolyard saying "Well you're a doodyface!" and running off?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
192. Because you are every bit as juvenile as you accuse me of being
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:45 PM
Mar 2015

Now you're making up IQ shit. Yeah, you're a smart one alright.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
193. I have noticed how people's IQ's seem to soar
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:02 PM
Mar 2015

around here whenever there is a mention or comparison to some very intelligent individual, or when Mensa membership is being discussed.

Very few people have an IQ of 148. Funny how that select group seems to show up here just at the right time.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
194. I know if my IQ was 148
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:12 PM
Mar 2015

My ass wouldn't be on an anonymous discussion board claiming to be a smart Democrat spouting right wing talking points.

I think I touched a sore spot with that one. Perhaps his mother called him stupid while growing up or something and now resents all intelligent women.

FarrenH

(768 posts)
198. If your IQ was 148
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:32 AM
Mar 2015

You'd know that plenty of high-IQ people have very mundane lives. Go to any MENSA meeting and you'll meet retired school teachers, refrigerator repairmen and so on. Me, I'm a software engineer who likes discussing stuff on the net. Your statement is informed by ignorance, nothing more.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
202. Yeah, you're a software engineer with an IQ of 148 who lives a very mundane life
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:19 AM
Mar 2015

and spends his time obsessing about HRC's email in political forums on the internet.

think about it.

FarrenH

(768 posts)
197. *Shrug*
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:30 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:06 AM - Edit history (2)

Its the truth. When I was in school the school authorities approached my parents because I would just go into my own little world in class and they thought I had developmental problems. They wanted to place me in a program for kids with learning disabilities. My parents insisted on further review and they brought in psychologists, conducted a few tests and reported to my parents that I had an extraordinarily high IQ. Subsequent tests as an adult repeatedly confirmed it and yes, I was a MENSA member for a while. Although it seemed like membership of that organization was pointless. I should add that having taken a huge interest in the IQ nurture/nature debate in later years, I've come to the conclusion that IQ tests only test (and colloquial use of the word intelligence only describes) the analytic aspect of human cognition and not other cognitive abilities.

Feel free to mock because you're all up in arms about me criticizing Clinton, but it is the absolute truth. I didn't mention it to boast, just to illuminate why I thought the claims about Clinton being "more intelligent than us" were probably wrong.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
203. You would think, people who function at such a high level of intelligence-
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:39 AM
Mar 2015

would have better things to do with their time.

FarrenH

(768 posts)
200. "You have stated facts
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:39 AM
Mar 2015

and provided links to the government regulations being discussed, and rather than respond to them I'm just going to assert that you're juvenile, without demonstrating how and post rolling-on-the-floor-laughing smilies"

So ironic.

Why not just post "YOUR A DOODYHEAD"?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
131. "Because all relevant communications are not intra-departmental..."
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 08:50 AM
Mar 2015

How some intentionally miss that...?

Laser102

(816 posts)
148. Informed response
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:30 AM
Mar 2015

Wow. Someone who actually knows what they are talking about. I love people who know the facts.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
129. Your argument is sophomoric at best...
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 08:43 AM
Mar 2015

ALL her emails as SOS, to all parties involved, is the question.

Your narrow view, and fawning support, is duly noted.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
146. What ever
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:06 AM
Mar 2015

You are an anonymous poster on a an anonymous board. You matter not one iota to me and the effect you have on my life is even less. If all you have left is rudeness and incivility, then you are the one that needs to gaze into the mirror when attempting to demean a fellow poster's intelligence.




 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
153. Ah, the inevitable "i'm rubber, You're glue" defense.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:06 PM
Mar 2015
Well played.

I have truly been bested.

And speaking as to insults, when you inferred that I was defending Bush you lost that argument.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
157. in order for me to be a victim, I would have to care what you and others like you think
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:21 PM
Mar 2015

Do you have a playbook that you follow or do you have your debate tactics memorized?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
143. It looks questionable
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:38 AM
Mar 2015

only to republicans, teabaggers, right wing hate radio/tv and to supporters of Sanders or Warren on DU.

The rest of the world doesn't care with the comfort that a) all her official correspondence as SOS was on the SD server and b) she dutifully provided all official emails to the SD.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
156. Calling people "willfully ignorant" reveals the bankruptcy
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:18 PM
Mar 2015

of your assertions.

But, continue to pound your desk for Bernie Sanders (who is not even a democrat.) This is exactly how and why democrats lose. They make the ideal the enemy of good.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
159. Well, it fits. Sorry if it hurts.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:15 PM
Mar 2015

Also, Bernie Sanders? I'm not campaigning for him or Hillary, but if Bernie gad done what Hillary has I would also roundly criticize him as well.

 

DrKZ

(53 posts)
225. NOT exactly
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:35 PM
Apr 2015

I cannot know nor can you know what were the emails if they were not on the state department server. There are rules and regulations surrounding the use of servers for home use and official use ... in some ways even though it pains me to say this it is a little reminiscent of the blank minutes on the nixon tapes ... that is why there are regualtions ...

I am not a republican I don't listen to right wing TV and I would love to support a Democrat who is a democrat and stands up for democratic ideals and principles including transparency (as in the days of Ruben Askew whose adminisration in Fl created the sunshine laws that ought to guide use of government public documents) ...

I am certain you are incorrect what is on the state department server are emails she sent to people working in the state department

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
226. The way emails work
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

Once it is sent, it remains on all the recipients' servers unless all of them delete it. Even if they did, some archiving servers will save those emails.

Thus any email that was sent for state department business must have a state department recipient such an ambassador, an undersecretary or a counsel and therefor those emails will be preserved by the state department whether it was to someone or cc'ed to someone.

If she got an email from a prince of Nigeria wanting $8,000 to complete giving her $120 million and she deleted it as spam, it is no one's business anyway.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
234. We know she turned obver the ones she wanted us to see
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 11:38 PM
Apr 2015

Hopefully she wanted us to see all the public ones.

We just have her good word for it.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
235. My point.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:35 AM
Apr 2015

There's no way to know for certain.

Thar's problematic for campaign.

That's problematic for anybody that doesn't want "trust me" as an answer.

Trust is born out of truth.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
189. same issue with any & all politicians ---they're all doing it
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

so it seems.

At least she didn't release the personal info including SSNs of people writing to her dept. like Jeb "Dimmerson" did.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
233. One of life's best punchlines is
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 11:35 PM
Apr 2015

"It depends on whose ox is being gored."

What would be outrageous if their side does it is smart when our side does it. Usually the reasoning is "their side does it all the time too."

It is one of the uglier sides of politics.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
109. Had Kitzhaber been as "smart" as Hillary was in the same fashion moved to a private email server...
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:49 AM
Mar 2015

... he'd probably still be governor for us here in Oregon today instead of Kate Brown.

But would that be good for us Oregonians? Not having a way to know what emails got deleted and which didn't if he had them all on a private server instead of a public server he tried to purge them off from?

http://theweek.com/speedreads/539481/oregon-governor-tries-delete-emails-instead-creates-paper-trail-suggestingcoverup

I still think that this STUPID move by her to basically in effect DO WHAT REPUBLICANS WANTED HER TO DO which was to:

1) move to a private email solution which helps fuel their criticism of government being used to manage IT solutions for government business instead of a privatized solution.
2) opens her up to these kind of targeted attacks by Republicans which would attempt to single her out, whether she deserves criticism or not, for potentially hiding illegal or unethical email content by using a private and non-transparent email infrastructure. She put herself in to this position.

If she has legitimate concerns about things like NSA or opposition parties spying on her if she used government solutions, she missed out on a GREAT opportunity to show what would be presidential leadership by calling for an overhaul of government systems, and perhaps investigations in to what the NSA is doing, etc. to ensure that ethical politicians can feel safe using government email and IT infrastructure. Instead she avoided this issue and fell in to the Republicans' trap of just moving her mail to a private domain, expecting us to just "trust her", when she's shown many other reasons for us not to, with many things she's done to help the TPP, or many other issues that have been show to support corporate America rather than mainstream America.






 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
112. Your avatar and signature says it all.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:32 AM
Mar 2015

Nothing HRC did or didn't do would be approved by you, ever.

I'm wasting perfectly good electrons here.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
5. The only thing that is "a scandal" w/HRC and her emails is the way the media and ....
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:28 PM
Mar 2015

.... the GOP have been able to gin up something out of nothing. Last night @ the
gym I saw on CBS evening new something about how HRC's email scandal is hurting
her w/some voters.

HRC broke no laws and violated no rules with her emails.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
44. Because Roscoe was chasing the Dukes because they were
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:44 PM
Mar 2015

speeding and driving recklessly? Just because poor Roscoe couldn't catch them doesn't mean they were doing no wrong. Poor example, try again.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
113. Thank you, Boss Hogg.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:36 AM
Mar 2015

But them Duke boys wouldn't be speeding and driving recklessly if you weren't out to get them and frame them at any cost!!

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
7. Good move, Hillary. Let the Republicans fabricate their own scandals.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:35 PM
Mar 2015

They don't have to be supplied with raw data to make false proclamations over.

--imm

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
137. I would agree that giving the Gopigs any grist
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:45 AM
Mar 2015

for a fake scandal is a bad thing, but the question of whether we know if HRC is being completely honest with us is a question that needs to be answered.

I trust no politician when they act this way.

OregonBlue

(7,744 posts)
158. What the GOP is trying to prove is that Clinton knew what was going on in Benghazi and
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:00 PM
Mar 2015

deliberately order a stand down and left her colleagues to be murdered. It's complete and utter hogwash and I think she is very smart to have kept her emails separate. I can see Gowdy taking her emails about mother's death and reading all kinds of b.s. into them. You say we can't trust Hillary but I trust Hillary a great deal more than the witch hunters who are trying to destroy her and our country.

It's not Hillary we need to be afraid of.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
178. Here's the thing. HRC should never have put herself
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:13 PM
Mar 2015

in that position for at least two reasons.

1. She's a lawyer and should know better.
that the issue if trust would come up.

2. Her husband went through the ringer, unjustly, and why would she want to put herself in the same position with a craven Republican party.

OregonBlue

(7,744 posts)
210. Personally I don't see it as a big deal and most of the newspapers seem to have lost
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:49 PM
Mar 2015

interest. Once they determined it was not illegal, just not the brightest move, they don't seem to care much. That's because the American people don't care much. Only political junkies are still talking about it.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
212. "Personally I don't see it as a big deal"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:26 PM
Mar 2015

You don't see trust and the appearance of impropriety as a big deal?

OregonBlue

(7,744 posts)
214. Actually no. When I look at what the GOP has done around Benghazi, the way they have
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 03:45 PM
Apr 2015

twisted everything and lied, I am not the least concerned that Hillary kept her private emails from them. As she said, she turned over 55,000 pages, not to mention that everyone she wrote to in the government also has a copy of those emails. Turns out lots and lots of presidents, governors, etc., have done this in the past and nothing ever came of it. So no, I really could care less. Not an issue. I love in a rural community with mostly retired ranchers and farmers. It didn't even register on their radar. It was like oh, well I'm sure it can be confusing but it's good she gave them the 55,000 pages and they really shouldn't need to see her wedding, funeral, arrangement emails. It's none of their business. And these are conservatives.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
215. Well, I guess that you are comfirtable taking HRC word.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:50 PM
Apr 2015


If it was George Dubya Bush doing the same thing would you take his word as well?

OregonBlue

(7,744 posts)
216. After all his lies about Iraq and torture, etc. No. But yes, I assume she gave them
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:10 AM
Apr 2015

everything that was relevant to the job. I don't believe she is a stupid woman.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
191. Boner "has not ruled out a vote in the full House to force Clinton to turn over the server"
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:59 PM
Mar 2015

oh gawd, here we go suing the Clintons again and next thing is, if she gets into office, they'll try to impeach her immediately.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
11. wow the Hillary fans are really circling wagons on this thread
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:42 PM
Mar 2015

For those of us who know about the process of legal discovery, and that this set of emails is the subject of multiple ongoing legal actions, this is a clear-cut case of felony obstruction of justice, as aggravated as it gets. She's a lawyer so she knows exactly what she was doing and what the penalties are.

Under normal circumstances I'd be blown away if someone had the balls to do this, but this is Hillary Clinton and she clearly has no doubt that she is far above any law.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
221. I don't think it is fair to say people who oppose Hillary are Rush Limbaugh folks
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 04:37 PM
Apr 2015

Assuming Hillary had nothing to hide, having a private server AND deleting it was breathtakingly stupid.

At best, it makes her look crooked and needing to hide, which will hurt her in the general. It plays right into the Repug's theme that the Clintons think they are above the law. I am sure the Koch brothers have the attack ads filmed and in the can.

At worst, she did hide something bad.

Ask Nixon, the cover up is always worse than the "crime." The reason he went down is he deleted tapes.

Heck, now even the National Enquirer (who brought down John Edwards, remember) is in on the act, saying she was covering up bisexual affairs when she deleted the server. They even dragged out Bill's old girlfriend Jennifer Flowers to say Bill said Hillary was bisexual.

Silly, yes. But a lot of low information voters read the National Enquirer, so it will hurt. How much will it hurt? 1%? 2%? That can flip a close state.

In short, name-calling people who are pissed off at Clinton for this is not fair. They have a legitimate gripe.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
16. "this is a clear-cut case of felony obstruction of justice"
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:47 PM
Mar 2015


HRC broke no laws and violated no rules this is just Whitewater 2.0
 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
23. Only "side" I'm taking is with the rule of law
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:31 PM
Mar 2015

Having experience in e-discovery, I can tell you in no uncertain terms that any party which deletes documents which are the subject of legal action at any time after which they had any reason to believe that the documents might be relevant to a legal proceeding, that party loses the case, and if they do so deliberately and with the intent to hide those documents from the other parties seeking them it is obstruction of justice.

This is how it is with every other legal case in the United States. Go ahead, ask a lawyer. Deleting those emails is a criminal act, there is no way to get around it and have a system of justice that applies to all persons equally at the same time.

If you're celebrating Hillary's action in this case, you are a) cheering on a crime; and b) rooting for a two-tiered legal system where elites like Hillary are not subject to the law at all, but little people like yourself get the full force of it without mercy.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
24. We don't know when the server was wiped.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:36 PM
Mar 2015

I'd bet $$ she had it wiped the day after she turned the other emails over to the State Dept.

She's not stupid. She's a lawyer herself but beyond that she's a damn smart politician.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
27. True but I'd lay money on it being clean
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:39 PM
Mar 2015

she's got to know the only way she lays this issue to rest now is to turn the server over to a third party.

That will happen sooner or later I presume.

Gore1FL

(21,030 posts)
55. We do know the server shouldn't have ever existed.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:37 PM
Mar 2015

This is no more excusable than the Bush admin housing the emails on the RNC servers. I rightfully complained when that happened.

While I don't believe this makes her unfit for office, it is not something to celebrate.

Gore1FL

(21,030 posts)
117. She didn't follow administration policy.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:17 AM
Mar 2015

There are a lot of things one can do legally and still be ill-advised in doing.

I was critical of Bush and Palin over perfectly legal examples in poor choices involving official email use. I am applying the same standards that I applied then.

 

dolphinsandtuna

(231 posts)
30. Man is right
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:43 PM
Mar 2015

But I expected nothing else from Hillary except this breathtaking disregard for the legal process.

Just a sample of the corruption we'd see if, God forbid, she became President.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
76. Was I?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:15 PM
Mar 2015

What did I say about those things? I can't recall having addressed either, but I see you have been taking notes about people who won't fall into line behind the favorite of the privileged elite.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
68. Considering All The Insane Attacks The Clintons Have Endured
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:54 PM
Mar 2015

It would have been fitting for Hillary to wipe the server.

Then shove it up Ken Starr's ass!!!!!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Name the law which was broken, she wasnt an emoloyee of the state dept but
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:56 PM
Mar 2015

The employees gets to determine which emails are personal and which are not. It is a non issue, she turned them over to the state department let Gowdy go where he is supposed to get the emails, it will be good exercise for him.

MsInformed

(48 posts)
35. Thank you.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:20 PM
Mar 2015

All she did differently is sort them after the act of writing, because she had the means to do so. I believe in controlling one's own communication as long as you played by the rules you agreed to. People want her to be subject to rules she did not agree to and she knows it to the nit of the law.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
79. I did
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:21 PM
Mar 2015

It's called "obstruction of justice" and it's illegal in every jurisdiction throughout the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice

I've done quite a bit of e-discovery work. The law is quite clear, clear enough that large companies with billions on the line produce adverse documents to opposing counsel whether they like it or not rather than face criminal charges for obstruction.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
107. It's called "obstruction of justice"
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:45 AM
Mar 2015


So when Hillary sent those emails years ago she should have known that Trey Gowdy
would want to see them as per an attack on an American diplomatic (CIA) outpost
in Libya that had not happened yet?

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
110. That's not a requirement
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:58 AM
Mar 2015

Litigation doesn't need to be pending in order to require placement of a legal hold on documents. It's not an "out" for charges of spoliation of evidence if you destroy the evidence before the legal paperwork is filed. Look up the spoliation rules, there's no loophole there for her to slip through. And if the destruction was in the past five months, as is asserted, that is well beyond the starting date of several legal actions to which those documents are relevant, not the least of which is the stonewalled FOIA from Associated Press that they were forced to sue over.

It's not Gowdy she should be worried about. It's this: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5f35e25c77194546822769b2f9672fe3/ap-sues-state-department-seeking-access-clinton-records

Botany

(70,291 posts)
134. Bottom Line .....
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:15 AM
Mar 2015

.... HRC broke no laws and violated no rules the only scandal here is the scandal of the
republicans, the media, and people like you making something out of nothing.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
116. You need to go back to law school (if you ever went)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:45 AM
Mar 2015

There is no obstruction of justice when her personal emails were never the subject of any legal proceeding. She preserved and handed over all official emails.

If I'm being sued for malpractice, I cannot destroy the patient's medical records but I can certainly destroy my grocery lists and golf score cards.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
34. I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:17 PM
Mar 2015

but I am a lawyer, and I've seen a couple of 'clear-cut' cases, specifically when a defendant repeatedly admitted to multiple parties in precise detail that he/she did exactly whatever the plaintiff or prosecution claimed.

Short of that, no intelligent lawyer uses the words 'clear-cut' or 'clearly' to describe any alleged.. well, anything.

It's a good rule of thumb for non-lawyers also. BTW, where are the 'rules of discovery' published for a non-subpoena personal request for information made by the chairman of a Congressional committee? Enforcement procedures? Penalties?

There aren't any. Such a request does not initiate any process involving legal discovery procedures.

Oh, and I can tell you in no uncertain terms that, if you actually mean what you've written, you have virtually no clue how the process of discovery operates in a legal proceeding. Never mind that there are, at a bare minimum, 102 different sets of them in the United States, with each state having different sets for civil and criminal matters, and matters before federal courts. Some questions of rules of discovery when federal courts sit in 'diversity' cases are still unsettled - are some state discovery rules actually 'substantive,' such that the federal court is obliged to apply them rather than federal rules in certain cases? Never mind administrative proceedings, territorial courts, military courts, subpoenas properly issued by members of Congress acting pursuant to specific authorities, etc.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
65. In this instance, what is the relevance of how many state discovery laws existaa?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:51 PM
Mar 2015

"I am no fan of Hillary but......." is a common preface on DU to full-throated support/defense of Hillary.

Patterns like that make me wonder.

Response to merrily (Reply #65)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
84. Dumbass, different kind of idiot, etc. Please get back to me when you learn civility. Or not.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:32 PM
Mar 2015

No reason for me to read your post after seeing words like that just at first glance.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
38. "We won't forget that"
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:24 PM
Mar 2015

I ran across threats like that from certain types of people in high school.

Apparently DU has it's own mean girls.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
21. Have you ever considered working for the GOP House Oversight Committee?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:17 PM
Mar 2015

They could probably use some sharp, legal minds. To get to the bottom of all of this. Gowdy is running Benghazi Committee v5.0, but there are plenty of others.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
59. ......
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:44 PM
Mar 2015
At Clinton's request, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed a special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske to investigate the legality of the Whitewater transactions in 1994. Two allegations surfaced: 1) that Clinton had exerted pressure on an Arkansas businessman, David Hale, to make a loan that would benefit him and the owners of Madison Guaranty; and 2) that an Arkansas bank had concealed transactions involving Clinton's gubernatorial campaign in 1990. In May 1994, Independent Counsel Robert Fiske issued a grand jury subpoena to the President and his wife for all documents relating to Madison Guaranty, with a deadline of 30 days. They were reported as missing by the Clintons. Almost two years later, the subpoenaed billing records of the Rose Law Firm, which Hillary Clinton worked for, were discovered in the Clintons' private residence in the White House by a staffer in January 1996.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
211. The billing records were the first thing I thought of too
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:24 PM
Mar 2015

That one still is hard to swallow 20 years later.

The fact that a subpoenaed document should show up two years later in the personal residence of the most secure home the world and Hillary just has no earthly idea how it could have gotten there.

Many people were too young to remember that, but that one was a tough one to swallow.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
100. Good for her? Would you accept this from her
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:24 AM
Mar 2015

as POTUS? Would you accept it from Romney if he was POTUS?

Hypocrisy.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
71. Another Republican Dirtbag
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:59 PM
Mar 2015

Taking money from the billionaires, and using their power
to cover their raping of the poor for the ownership class Plutocrats.

Trey, stick to sucking testicles.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
22. Good for Hil!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:18 PM
Mar 2015

Stupid Gowdy. Everytime I see his face, I see the high school snitch! He's just a peeping Tom wanting to peep into someone's private life, looking for anything that he can turn into some stupid faux scandal. The tparty crowd is so very tiresome.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
26. The only thing that Hillary has an obligation to release is...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:39 PM
Mar 2015

a thunderclap of flatus in Gowdy's ear.

Have fun spreading your bullshit while deaf, motherfucka.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
32. Rank & file Democrats have now
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:57 PM
Mar 2015

become no damned different than Republicans were during the Bush years.

Actions like this that were suspected do have occurred and did occur were rightfully denounced and in some instances a holy shit storm of righteous indignation was vented on these boards.

HRC chose to use an outside server for her correspondences both professional and personal instead of using a .gov server. Whether her actions are legal or not, now that she has apparently wiped the server, it is fast becoming an illegal act. It is damned certain an inappropriate and unethical one.

And what are Democrats doing? Y'all are giving high fives. Y'all are rationalizing the actions of someone who is skirting the law. Fuck it, y'all deserve the mess we as a country get if this person is elected our next President. And if she is in the general and loses, this will be why. She just can't help herself with lies, scandals, and deceptions.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
39. Are you a RWer?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:27 PM
Mar 2015

It is a non scandal, made up by Republicans who been "shirting the law", can't find something in one investigation and start another. If they were doing this in a court of law they would not be able to "try her" over and over. This is shirting the law.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
64. Are you an adolescent?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:50 PM
Mar 2015

This isn't a high school team rivalry. The GOP is smart enough to politically take advantage of a very blatant mistake made on her part. That doesn't mean she hasn't done something stupid, unethical, and now potentially illegal if she wiped her servers before turning over ALL emails requested.

I criticized the Bush admin for such a lack of transparency & unethical(if not 'legal') behaviors, and I do the same if a Democratic official does it.

Grow up!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
69. Nope, just slightly past adolescent. Yes the RW thinls this is a problem ergo my
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:57 PM
Mar 2015

Thinking you are giving RW talking points. At the same time they were shouting about this Cotton send a letter to Iran, they kept this going through his crappy letter. They want to confuse Dempcrats not to vote and for sure not to run Hillary when they do not have an answer for her.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
83. Well then you have a lot of growing up to do.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:28 PM
Mar 2015

This is politics. It reeks of bullshit on a daily basis. But the Clintons have a really shitty habit of making arrogant, impulsive, and unethical mistakes that give the GOP fodder to act out this type of bullshit political drama.

One of the wonderful things about aging is that eventually you get to a point where you can see that in any conflict with two parties, almost always both of them are full of shit. They both make the same mistakes, do the same stupid shit, and try to pretend that they alone are blameless while the other side is the 'bad' guy. I see it in marital conflicts. I see it in Democratic/Republican political gamesmanship.

What I am concerned with are the ethics. I am concern with the policies. I am concerned with how we the people are getting shafted day in and day out while both sides of these fuckers play Kabuki theater. Yes, the GOP hatez on the Democrats. Look at them rail against them in these mock political dramas. Then follow the money and see that they are buddies on the charity circuits, they are buddies with the same power brokers, and they are buddies on the golf course.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
101. If the GOP had a chance in this fight it would have occurred on previous investigations.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:24 AM
Mar 2015

Being ethical also involves honesty, honesty on the GOP's part and they honestly don't have.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
45. Hate is oozing from the words you write.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:48 PM
Mar 2015

Pathetic that you are so blinded by hate that you cannot see the GOP shenanigans for what they are.
That you side with the most cutthroat Political group, the GOP, in their manufactured attempt to undermine a Dem for fear of her possible threat of an opposing candidacy, tells me that you've well rehearsed your RW vile talking points.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
60. The only thing I dislike strongly
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:45 PM
Mar 2015

is the bullshit responses to an issue that has legal, ethical, and electability consequences.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
74. No bullshit in calling the RW hack job that will be going thru Nov 2016.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:08 PM
Mar 2015

The RW plays this same game with every Dem candidate that challenges their push for power.
Don't tell me you haven't observed their M.O. in action before.
KKKarl Rove, ALEC etc. This is why they exist.
I 've watched them create this exact same bullshit since the 90's when Bill Clinton kicked GHW 's ass.

That is the bullshit you should be concerned with.
Anytime their bullshit game plan is proven wrong is a cause to cheer.
The responses posted here are valid for that reason alone.
The RW was called out on their bullshit.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
78. I am not concerned with political games.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:21 PM
Mar 2015

Both parties play them. I am concerned with the ramifications for us the people.

I watched Bill Clinton make a stupid political mistake in the 1990's by getting a blow job from a woman who not only wasn't his wife but was a fucking intern at the White House. That stupid & impulsive act handed the GOP fodder for over a decade. Now HRC has made a stupid & impulsive choice as well. This will impact her.

I don't want a politician who has ethical problems as my President. I don't want corrupt ones. I don't want criminal ones. And since Reagan, we have had a lot of them. Even if Obama is better than most, he still lied his ass off to get the young and Left to vote for him with no intention of governing from anything other than a center right DLC position.

I stand up to both sides doing bullshit. This is bullshit. And people here are so blinded by their adolescent 'my party is better than your party' bullshit that we, the people, are just fucking suffering.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
85. She didn't do stupid and impulsive. I doubt you or any of us here
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:34 PM
Mar 2015

..are so privy to what occurred with the email saga. We know little.
But apparently the big 'scandal' has amounted to exactly what we expected it to be all along.
Pffftttt. That's what it was.
The rest is what the RW hype told us.
I am more than happy to see it blow up in their front boy Gowdy's face just like Issa's benghazi 'scandal'.
And more than happy to say to Mrs Clinton & any other Dem they target as a threat, " Please proceed in denying the Right Wing group of exclusion & organized crime, the Oval Office and all it's power in Nov 2016.
A fuckin Men.
Enjoy your night.

tjl148

(185 posts)
92. "We know little"
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:52 PM
Mar 2015

I agree. But if we "know little" how do you know "she didn't do stupid or impulsive", or illegal for that matter?

tjl148

(185 posts)
118. Do you work for the repugs?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:24 AM
Mar 2015

Just wondering since you seem to use their playbook. If you can't answer the question throw mud at the questioner.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
119. What rock have you been hiding under?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:48 AM
Mar 2015

There is more than enough information that has been reported to verify that yes indeed she acted impulsively (the Obama Admin advised her against this action & now disavow any connection!) and that it was stupid (she had to have known that any hints of a scandal would be chum in the waters for the GOP sharks!).

It may or may not blow up as you so eloquently put it in their faces, but it is definitely a major distraction for the current Democratic 'front-runner'.

I am not the one in denial mister wasted.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
136. Please, Draco,
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:43 AM
Mar 2015

back away from the teabagger pipe. You sound just like them. Try to imagine the Clinton's thinking ahead and full well knowing that there will be continuous asinine investigations of them regardless of the situation or reason. There will never be any sort of fair play, any sort of justification, any sort of anything that resembles sanity.

So take your talking points and........go play quidditch.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
176. Such a wonderful example
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:31 PM
Mar 2015

of the childishness of most of the rank & file these days.

Go clean your room and get off the computer so the adults can use it to have real conversations with substance & merit.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
207. Obviously got under your thin skin, si or no?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:20 AM
Mar 2015

Listen up, oh mature one, you have either been sucked in and bamboozled by the Repugnik sound machine, or you subscribe to it. Most here know the difference between reality and teabagger nonsense.

Are you Draco Malfoy (R - Slytherin) or not? It did not go unnoticed that you avoided the question.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
237. Did you just call me a troll?
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 02:46 PM
Apr 2015

Please, just because you cannot take it when you are ridiculed for your inane bullshit doesn't mean you have to break the rules.

I won't alert on you cause you be funny.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
238. Adults can have meaningful conversations
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 04:57 PM
Apr 2015

even where they disagree vehemently without resorting to ridicule, name-calling, and outrageously childish insults.

If you walk like a duck, quack like a duck....well you get the picture.

Alert away.

marshall

(6,661 posts)
199. It may well have been worth it for her
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:34 AM
Mar 2015

We can only guess as to the content of the deleted emails, and depending on your point of view those guesses can run from the benign to the embarrassing to the malevolent. Mrs. Clinton is astute enough to have foreseen this outcome of public scrutiny when she deleted these emails, and she made an informed decision to do so. Whether she is protecting her personal privacy (which granted should not have been interlaced with business matters), covering up something that is potentially quite damaging, exercising a need for control over the process, or expressing anger by thwarting her opposition, I trust that in her mind the consequence was worth the price of satisfaction.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
184. I agree with you.....
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

... and while I'm not an HRC fan I just hate double-standards and hypocrisy. And I've had a belly full of asshole politicians that think the rules are for everyone else. It is a telling and obvious window into their character.

Anyone who (rightly) criticized Bush for his email shenanigans and wants to give HRC a pass should SHUT THE FUCK UP hypocrites.

Also, I've been surprised that no one has mentioned here that unless the hard drives were physically destroyed or rewritten at least 7 times, the data is still retrievable.

I guess HRC will be the beneficiary of the Republican's technical ignorance.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
188. I think we can all be guilty of hypocrisy at times.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 07:34 PM
Mar 2015

However, this for me goes well beyond the pale.

You are right, of course, about the disks. The GOP may look stupid, but they are not. They will hire experts to discover what has been 'deleted'. She is in for a bigger shit storm if there is even one official email that was deleted. And god forbid if she did have the hard drives zero'd out or destroyed. That will just scream, I did something really bad & want to keep it a secret.

HRC really needs to just get out of the running and let someone far less tainted by this unethical bullshit become a better candidate.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
174. Truly an adolescent.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:29 PM
Mar 2015

A rubber ducky and insults.

All snark & no substance.

Thank you so much for proving my point. You get a gold star for being such a loyal Democrat. .

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
48. But you know, a lot of people in this thread are saying just that.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:51 PM
Mar 2015

"You go girl," etc. If you want to see absolute political loyalty, it's all over this thread. It kinda gives me a queasy feeling.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
150. What is more shameful is seeing DU'ers align themselves with professional liars like Gowdy
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:38 AM
Mar 2015

There are lots of solid reasons to criticize Clinton. There is no need for DU'ers to ally themselves with the Republican Lie Machine.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
138. Concern noted, fellas.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:55 AM
Mar 2015

Let me clue you in. Nothing will ever be enough for you guys errrrrrr for Draco Malfoy and the rest of the House of Slytherin teabaggers.

It will go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

A clue to the wise is sufficient thereof.

How about some quidditch?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
173. Sanders and Warren dreamers are even harder to satisfy
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:26 PM
Mar 2015

They have become worse than teabaggers.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
42. GOPers with the alliance with corporate media, hate radio and RW social media will 24/7
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:34 PM
Mar 2015

accuse HRC on any gawd damn thing no matter how far fetch it is. Matter of fact, any Democratic or Indy or other party candidate will be tarred and feathered no matter what. If Senator Warren decided to run for President and was a threat to GOPers power grab for obtaining the WH, yes she would be accused on any gawd damn thing no matter how far fetch it is.

This e-mail BS is what it is. . . BS. Where is the special investigation on Rmoney, s**t, he deleted all his e-mails from his Governorship (wiped clean) and Jeb Bush did some hanky panky with his e-mails and Pres Bush and his cronies deleted their e-mails (wiped clean) during subpoena requests. Where are the effing investigations on that huh?

I effing tired of these "witch hunts".


Give them hell HRC!!!!!

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
50. What does "wiped clean" mean in this case?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:18 PM
Mar 2015

Not just recycled? Then some overwrite program has been used? Gutmann? Was the hard drive replaced? I just wonder. Gowdy is talking about getting the House to subpoena the server. It could get very messy, which, of course is what the Republicans want--to drag this out through election day.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. Trey Gowdy used to dye his hair an unrealistic blonde color.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:37 PM
Mar 2015

And it's funny how the women on the Hill get put through the mill over their hairstyle choices, but no one has said barely a word about some of the freakish cuts he's sported.

And there's nothing illegal about those dumb-ass personal decisions he's made. Either.

But it does go to judgment. That idiot has some seriously poor judgment--he should consult a stylist.




 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
56. other people are doing the same?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:39 PM
Mar 2015

emails, tend to have at least two
people involved.

what if the other party...
their copy of an email
comes into hands of prosecutors?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
73. Of course she wiped the server - she owned it.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:06 PM
Mar 2015

That was the whole point of setting a private system. Her lawyers told her to do this and calculated it would be less destructive to her chances of becoming President than if had used the State Dept's system.

The most destructive parts are yet to come after she is nominated. But we'll be stuck with her.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
77. Why did he not go to the .gov server, that is where the email are, guess that one is wiped clean.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:20 PM
Mar 2015

This story does not have much grit. Nothing new

 

Willem

(12 posts)
86. way to deal with republicans
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:39 PM
Mar 2015

Republicans make a lot of noise. No matter what someone not a member of their loon club does, they will screech, hop up and down and throw noxious substances. If there is nothing at all to make a neurotic drama about they'll make something up. Might as well give them the finger. Isn't going to reduce the bedlam one bit.

jmowreader

(50,451 posts)
96. Hillary refusing to play the GOP's game anymore automatically means the worst?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:12 AM
Mar 2015

Let me ask, and please answer as best you can: How many times does Hillary Clinton have to respond to GOP Benghazi fishing expeditions? This is the fifth time the GOP has launched a full-scale investigation into this one attack. It's the 21st Century version of Whitewater. The shit needs to stop. Immediately.

SansACause

(520 posts)
127. Wow, a lot of people here don't know how email works.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 08:26 AM
Mar 2015

If there were "smoking gun" emails from Hillary about anything, we would have seen them by now. First, all emails have a recipient, and unless you believe there is some conspiracy that everyone who worked for the SOS took some sort of oath to protect her even to the point that they would go to jail, then those recipients have provided matching emails. Second, there may be literally hundreds of copies of those emails sitting on servers worldwide. Unlike a physical letter, there is not just one copy of an email, but perhaps hundreds. It's almost impossible to know how many copies exist.

In short, if you are trying to do something illegal and/or top secret via email, you are a fool. Wiping your own server does nothing to remove those emails from other servers.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
142. that's pretty much what her lawyer said
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:21 AM
Mar 2015

He said in the letter to go to the State Department. They have the emails.
Gowdy also said he had no idea when the server was wiped.
I suspect her IT crew wiped it after the emails were sent off to State.
Nothing wrong with that.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
151. Then why delete them?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:46 AM
Mar 2015

Any idea how time consuming it would be to track them all down??

You never could. The recipients probably deleted a ton of them as well.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
205. She will get sympathy and immunity
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:52 AM
Mar 2015

from any future BS scandals that the repigs might create.

Most average people don't care if she used a personal server and deleted her personal emails.

The only people who seem to care are the repigs, their media cronies and Warren/Sanders supporters on DU.

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
166. What makes you think she only sent emails to SOS workers?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:38 PM
Mar 2015

Presumably she also sent emails to foreign ministry officials and possibly foreign businessmen who contributed to the Clinton Foundation. So there are questions about whether she might have been making side-deals that she didn't want the President or his staff to know about.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
133. I wonder if anyone else believes that investigations, such as
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:10 AM
Mar 2015

it is, has absolutely no basis to exist? That opposition parties, sit through countless hours of hugely wasted time, like our American soap operas. These attacks made are theater and highly political. It's in and of itself, "Taking our money doing something with it that is fucking insane."

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
141. This really smells. Think about it.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:18 AM
Mar 2015

You're a world-historic figure. You're a former first lady, former senator, and former Secretary of State with aspirations to the presidency.

You've already written two books about your accomplishments, and your story isn't finished.

And you just up and destroy all of your correspondence from your entire tenure as a cabinet official?

That, if you'll pardon the pun, simply does not compute.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
144. She turned over 30,000 pages of official correspondence to the State Department.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:47 AM
Mar 2015
In response, she provided the State Department in December with about 30,000 printed emails that she said were government records. She has said that an additional 30,000 emails were personal.




“This confirms what we all knew — that Secretary Clinton already produced her official records to the State Department, that she did not keep her personal emails, and that the select committee has already obtained her emails relating to the attacks in Benghazi,” Mr. Cummings said.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
163. I delete my personal correspondence all the time...
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:01 PM
Mar 2015

Granted I am a private citizen but I don't see why a public one would keep all their private e-mails...

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
164. Really? All of it?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:19 PM
Mar 2015

When was the last time you deleted four full years of email -- every single item, all at once?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
165. I don't even back up my computer...If it goes it goes and I will just start again...
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:22 PM
Mar 2015

I do miss my bookmarks though...

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
168. Good question.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:46 PM
Mar 2015

She mentioned emails about Chelsea's wedding, mom's funeral, etc.

But wouldn't someone normally want to keep some of this correspondence for sentimental reasons or financial reasons?

I do this. I thought other people did, too. Maybe Hillary's "personal emails" aren't actually deleted, but simply moved to another location.

marshall

(6,661 posts)
181. Maybe she made print copies of everything
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:41 PM
Mar 2015

i found it strange that she printed 30,000 pages of email and turned that in rather than send it in electronic format. That's 60 reams of paper (or 3.6 trees). The transaction makes me think of the scene in Miracle on 34th Street where they dump a dozen or more bags of mail on the judge. In that case I think it is basically a matter of wanting control--regardless of whether she has something to hide or not. That is why a disgruntled citizen pays an unjust fine with pennies, to wrest back control.

On the other hand we could take her at her word--that she really is out of her element with technology like many of her generation, and doesn't know the basics about how one device can handle more than one email address. In that case I could see her relying on her staff to print out her emails for her to read rather than reading it on a screen.

A friend of mine did a research study among Amish people and they really had a mistrust of the transcripts of their interviews being kept in electronic format because they suspected anyone and everyone could see it. Hillary may have a similar mistrust of electronic communications and records.

 

DrKZ

(53 posts)
224. She is not Amish she was a Senator and Secretary of State
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:28 PM
Apr 2015

She is not Amish ... she is a professional working in a professional capacity in a connected world.
Transparency is important.
If she had question there were IT people all around.
I am sure your friend who did the study on the Amish might have asked the IT people at her university what constituted appropriate use policy and when to use her school's email and when to use personal email ... your friend had to have guidelines even to conduct the research in an appropriate manner using her IRB ....
I am going to be 60 this year so I am of that generation and it is not that we all sit in the dark unable to text or connect ... especially when we work for large organizations ...
i am sure there had to be at least one IT person in the state department

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
145. Get your facts straight.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:58 AM
Mar 2015
And you just up and destroy all of your correspondence from your entire tenure as a cabinet official?

Geez, where do you get your info?

Malfoy is full of shit. This investigation is a sham. This "scandal" is jack fucking squat.

You're concern is noted, and dismissed.
 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
208. Uh, the very next post refuted it, smart guy, if I did too it would be redundant.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:28 AM
Mar 2015

I will jeer you now. Are you pining for a pony, bamboozled by the reich-wing noise machine, or worse, suffering from FNE or TRE and have fully bought in to the teabag agenda? I cannot tell.

Curious minds want to know.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
219. Sorry, I will define some things for you,
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:29 AM
Apr 2015

seeing that your apparent affliction might be keeping you from understanding your reality. FNE is Fox News Encephalopathy. TRE is Talk Radio Encephalopathy.

You seem to be showing signs of one or both.

You have my sympathy, those conditions are incurable, as many here who have tried to talk sense to a winger can attest. So, are you just monumentally uninformed? Misinformed? Or worse?

 

DrKZ

(53 posts)
228. Actually it does and that is a problem
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:42 PM
Apr 2015

Isn't it better to investigate and find out what is going on? Do you remember all the stuff with all of her great memory that she said during the 2008 campaign that turned out not to be true ... maybe her memory is faulty? After all oops this week she did not realize her parents or grandparents weren't immigrants back then there was the war zone stuff and on and on ...
We are democrats we believe in government in the sunshine there are regulations that you get while working for a state or federal entity about emails and servers ...
Nobody is saying she destroyed everything but she did use her personal server for state department business and that is highly problematic and may not be in compliance with the administration's regulations
I mean come on the State Department must have had an IT guy

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
236. Honestly, the grandmother stuff doesn't bother me a bit
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:39 AM
Apr 2015

It's not like she was there. Family stories just get embellished over the decades.

Now if she keeps saying it after she knows it's not true, then it's a problem, but I bet it was just something she heard growing up that wasn't true but how would she know.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
204. Well they're old people you know and like me I can remember a time when disk platters were washed
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015

clean with a liquid solution- but it wasn't done to erase the info, no, for that we just used a big magnet.

Maybe they think that is how a disk is wiped clean?

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
186. Blackmail?... we should assume that the Russians...
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:58 PM
Mar 2015

Chinese, Israelis, and just about everyone else.
hacked HRC's computer.

were her private spy network operatives,
using remailers? encryption?
if so, what kind? PGP? something else?

Midnight Writer

(21,546 posts)
187. I thought the omniescent NSA was reading (and collecting) all our E-mail
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 06:21 PM
Mar 2015

Maybe Gowdy should check with them. Better yet, issue an NSA subpoena and launch an investigation of them.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
190. once again, this looks like more Benghazi BS
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:55 PM
Mar 2015

Trey Gowdy, "Republican chairman of a House committee investigating the 2012 Benghazi attacks"

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