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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:58 PM Apr 2015

NSA had German spies target Euro allies

Source: The Local

German spies targeted politicians in friendly European nations and inside Germany for surveillance on behalf of the US National Security Agency (NSA), a media report revealed on Thursday.

Der Spiegel reported that the US spy agency sent Germany's foreign intelligence agency, the Bundesnachrictendienst (BND), huge numbers of “selectors” – computer addresses, mobile phone numbers and other identifying information – which are used to target people's digital communications.

Die Zeit reported that the NSA asked for a total of 800,000 people to be targeted for surveillance.

The BND simply plugged the personal details into their own systems and carried out the intimate surveillance on behalf of their American allies.

BND officers had noticed several times since 2008 that some of the selectors directly contradicted the rules on how the agency is supposed to work, and its co-operation agreement for the “War on Terror” Germany signed with the USA in 2002.

Read more: http://www.thelocal.de/20150423/nsa-had-german-spies-target-euro-allies

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NSA had German spies target Euro allies (Original Post) jakeXT Apr 2015 OP
The new German spying scandal is a big deal jakeXT Apr 2015 #1
Don't hear much about the NSA anymore, anywhere. Octafish Apr 2015 #2
Hey, what are friends for? nt bemildred Apr 2015 #3
But I thought the Germans never spied on anyone? Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #4

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
1. The new German spying scandal is a big deal
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:17 PM
Apr 2015

German media organizations, such as Der Spiegel and Die Zeit, are reporting on Thursday on a spying scandal that threatens to create new controversy over the NSA.

What’s the story?

Previous fallout from the Edward Snowden revelations led to the German Bundestag (federal Parliament) setting up a Committee of Inquiry into the affair, and in particular into the relationship between the German intelligence service (the BND) and the NSA. This committee had a rocky start, with failed efforts to summon Snowden, a former NSA contractor, as a witness and complaints that it did not have access to much of the information that it needed.

Now, however, it looks as though it has uncovered paydirt regarding the relationship between the BND and the NSA. The NSA, in order to target its surveillance, needs ‘selectors’ — identifying information such as phone numbers, e-mail addresses, IP addresses or the like that are linked to a specific individual or business. Under the cooperation agreement between the NSA and BND, the NSA can ask for selectors — but only so long as the predictors are directly linked, for instance, to anti-terrorism intelligence. It appears that the NSA made large numbers of requests that ignored the limits set out in the agreement, and it appears probable that at least on some occasions, the BND gave the NSA the information it was looking for.

This sounds pretty technical — why are people getting upset?

Because it suggests that the German intelligence service cooperated with U.S. efforts to spy on European — and German — companies and citizens. For example, the German intelligence service was asked to provide selectors for EADS, a massive European arms company, Eurocopter, and the French government. It’s a little as if Germany had asked the NSA for information that would have allowed it to spy better on Lockheed Martin, and the NSA had not told the president because it didn’t want to hurt its relationship with the Germans. In addition, the German and French governments are extraordinarily close — to the point that senior German officials often spend time working on exchange arrangements for the French government and vice versa. Even though French spies notoriously have little compunction in their own surveillance activities, this will be quite embarrassing for the German government.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/04/23/the-new-german-spying-scandal-is-a-big-deal/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. Don't hear much about the NSA anymore, anywhere.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

I wonder why that is?

Die Zeit reported that the NSA asked for a total of 800,000 people to be targeted for surveillance.


Thank you for the heads-up, jakeXT. Heckuva story, flying under the cough radar.
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