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Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:05 PM May 2015

Obama: Denying climate change erodes national security

Source: USA Today

President Obama called out climate change deniers in Congress for being weak on defense, saying it would be "dereliction of duty" for the United States to ignore the national security implications of rising global temperatures.

Obama's convocation speech at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy Wednesday was his most forceful argument yet that climate change ranks alongside terrorism as a grave threat to America's future.

"I know there are some folks back in Washington who refuse to admit that climate change is real," he told graduating cadets in New London, Conn. "Denying it or refusing to deal with it undermines our national security. ... Politicians who say they care about military readiness need to care about this as well." . . .

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/20/obama-climate-change-national-security-coast-guard/27628313/



MSNBC started to show the speech live, then cut away. We will be condemned by future generations for turning away from this issue. This will be one of the biggest issues our generations are recalled for, not the Kardashians.

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Obama: Denying climate change erodes national security (Original Post) Faygo Kid May 2015 OP
Why did MSNBC cut away? Did some Republican say something inflammatory again? Must...cover..must... Fred Sanders May 2015 #1
If Democrats had a brain amongst them Kelvin Mace May 2015 #2
What is it? Bernardo de La Paz May 2015 #13
"We will be condemned" < Only if they live. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #3
Now, how will the TPP effect climate change? Obama sounds good though. jalan48 May 2015 #4
It will legally prohibit us from combating it if that would diminish someone's expected 'earnings' FiveGoodMen May 2015 #18
Climate change reality & the threat to national security is known by the State Dept., appalachiablue May 2015 #5
+1,000,000,000 Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #6
They all know it, including media heads. That's why they're crazy for money. They want their own... freshwest May 2015 #11
What "1973 Pentagon study"? Need more terms than that for searching. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2015 #14
Here are more terms: freshwest May 2015 #15
Thanks. Can you link to the actual 1973 document? Bernardo de La Paz May 2015 #16
My hard drive is down to 1 free GB which makes it impractical to spend hours to search it out. freshwest May 2015 #17
I have not dismissed your claim. I am interested in reading the 1973 document itself. Bernardo de La Paz May 2015 #19
I'm flumoxed and still living the neocon nightmare! HEEEELLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #7
And that's why we have to open the Arctic for drilling! Maven May 2015 #8
So duh swilton May 2015 #9
Yes, denying climate change will be disastrous.. mountain grammy May 2015 #10
Obviously, there was a new Lockup episode needing to be aired Big_Mike May 2015 #12
here's the FULL speech on CSPAN MBS May 2015 #20
Thank you, President Obama MBS May 2015 #21
next we'll have a new TSA-like agency to fight the eco-terrah Psephos May 2015 #22

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Why did MSNBC cut away? Did some Republican say something inflammatory again? Must...cover..must...
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:10 PM
May 2015

Those crazy Kardashians and Republicans, are you not entertained, America?

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
2. If Democrats had a brain amongst them
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:11 PM
May 2015

they would be using this to HAMMER the GOP on the whole "national security" issue.

The truth is you are far more likely to die in violent/extreme weather than you are in an ISIS terrorist attack.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
18. It will legally prohibit us from combating it if that would diminish someone's expected 'earnings'
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:28 PM
May 2015

Obama can't be that stupid.

He's just talking out of both sides of his mouth.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
5. Climate change reality & the threat to national security is known by the State Dept.,
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:37 PM
May 2015

the Pentagon, the UN, Insurance Cos. and others for a long time for God's sake.

Still trying to keep it a secret on M$M b/c of advertising money from Big Energy and Oil? Shame on MSNBC!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. They all know it, including media heads. That's why they're crazy for money. They want their own...
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:57 PM
May 2015

ship or place escape with and are sawing holes in the lifeboats and cutting off access to arable land and water to make sure no one else arrives wherever they are planning to go or interferes.
(Pardon for the hideous run on sentence.)

It's not for nothing they are accumulating money and power to extort the rest of us from our work, steal the water, land and the rest. They have known for over 40 years and the rest of the people who could have done something have been navel gazing, losing themselves in fantasies of all kinds and busy trying to get ahead of the fellows anyway they can, no matter how cruel. There is a reason for the proliferation of hate groups, radio and television pundts, and guns every where.

You won't find the well-heeled in the gunsights or on the hate list either. Like abortion, they have the freedom to choose in order to live their lives. The rest are just mice for the fat cats to entertain themselves with.

And I bet they don't find us to be as amusing as they once did.
Everything that is happening was predicted by the Pentagon study in 1973 and there's no reason for the smart money to not act on that information. They did and they still are.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Here are more terms:
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:30 PM
May 2015

All of these search terms will yield pdfs, using the main search term of '1973 us department of defense global climate change strategy national defense threat.' I still have the document from years ago. It affected planning the government and private sectors, banking, industry and policy decisions.

Some of the results read as follows and include the 1973 documents as well as those more recent, but I am not able to present the links in the DU format to the pdfs as downloads, so you will have to pull them from the search terms. They will be uploaded to your computer:

1. The Age of Consequences - Center for Strategic and International ... 
www.csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/071105_ageofconsequences.pdf - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Kurt M. Campbell is CEO and co-founder of the Center for a New American Security and former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Asia and the Pacific. Leon Fuerth is a ... The Foreign Policy and National Security Implications of Global Climate Change. The Age of .... other great threat of our ...

2. DoD Manual 4715.03, November 25, 2013 - Defense Technical ... 
www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/471503m.pdf - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Nov 25, 2013 ... Planning for Climate Change Impacts to Natural Resources .... Species Act of 1973 (ESA)” ... (s) U.S. Global Climate Change Research Program, ... (w) National Fish, Wildlife & Plants Climate Adaptation Strategy, ...... Adding climate change to the threats analysis prepared as ...

3. National Security in the 21st Century - Digital Commons ... 
digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/ cgi/ viewcontent.cgi?article=1470 &context=sdlp - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
the real threat climate change poses to U.S. security in the 2009. National ... motivated findings,15 being represented to the global community as scientifically factual ..... President's National Security Strategy report and the Department of Defense. Quadrennial ..... 555 (1973) (codified at ...

4. UPDATE: Climate Security 101: Why the U.S. National Security ... 
www.climateandsecurity.org/ 2014/ 02/ 26/ update-climate-security-101-why-the-u-s-national-security-establishme nt-takes-climate-change-seriously/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Feb 26, 2014 ... The definition of a national security threat, and how climate change fits into that definition ... indirect threats from regions of the world that are either of strategic interest ... Review report conducted by the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD). ... to the U.S., instability can ...

5. Pentagon preparing for mass civil breakdown | Nafeez Ahmed ... 
www.theguardian.com/ environment/ earth-insight/ 2014/ jun/ 12/ pentagon-mass-civil-breakdown - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Jun 12, 2014 ... A US Department of Defense (DoD) research programme is funding universities to ... Launched in 2008 – the year of the global banking crisis – the DoD 'Minerva ... activism in different parts of the world as a threat to US national security? ... Laboratory to gauge the risk ...

6. DOD's Energy Challenge as Strategic Opportunity - Rocky Mountain ... 
www.rmi.org/ cms/ Download.aspx?id=5026 &file=JFQ57_Lovins_unabridged.pdf &title=DOD%E2%80%99s+Energy+Challenge+as+Strategic+Opportunity - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Yet energy is also a major source of global instability, conflict, pollution, and risk. Many of the gravest threats to national security are intimately intertwined with energy, ... domestic critical infrastructure vulnerabilities, and climate change ( which ... time, 37 years after the 1973 oil ...

7. Science & America's National Security - American Security Project 
https://www.americansecurityproject.org/ ASP%20Reports/ Ref%200092%20-%20Science%20and%20America%E2%80%99s%20National%20Secur ity.pdf - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Recent data indicates that the United States is losing its position as a global ... Te U.S. Department of Defense is at the forefront of pursuing and developing sci- .... In the future, the largest threats to America's national security will require scientific solu- ... Retrieved from U.S. Navy ...

8. The Pentagon's Weather Nightmare The climate could change ... 
archive.fortune.com/ magazines/ fortune/ fortune_archive/ 2004/ 02/ 09/ 360120/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Feb 9, 2004 ... That would be the mother of all national security issues. ... In fact, the prospect has become so real that the Pentagon's strategic planners are grappling with it. The threat that has riveted their attention is this: Global warming, rather than ... But recently, renowned ...

9. Lessons from Department of Defense Disaster Relief Efforts in the ... 
www.rand.org/ content/ dam/ rand/ pubs/ research_reports/ RR100/ RR146/ RAND_RR146.pdf - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Moroney, Jennifer D. P., 1973- ... Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute, a federally funded ... The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) has long been able to play a ...... Articulate a new strategy and doctrine (or at least establish the .... climate change will further affect ...

10. Homeland Security and Defense - Strategic Studies Institute - U.S. ... 
www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/homeland-security-defense/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
All relevant SSI research for Homeland Security and Defense. ... changes in today's global energy markets affecting U.S. national security and the U.S. military? ... Counter Threat Finance strategies have the potential to be a multifaceted ... and is a list of high-priority topics submitted by ...
Some more search results, some are dupblicates:

1. Pentagon: Climate change a national security threat | TheHill 
www.thehill.com/ policy/ energy-environment/ 220575-pentagon-unveils-plan-to-fight-climate-change - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Oct 13, 2014 ... The Pentagon calls climate change a "threat multiplier" in new "adaptation roadmap." ... House passes research and development tax. ... signaling a comprehensive attempt to tackle the impacts of global warming. ... "Among the future trends that will impact ...

2. Pentagon Signals Security Risks of Climate Change - NYTimes.com 
www.nytimes.com/ 2014/ 10/ 14/ us/ pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Oct 13, 2014 ... The Pentagon's increased emphasis on the national security threats of ... for a new global climate change treaty is a sign that the urgency of the ...

3. Pentagon preparing for mass civil breakdown | Nafeez Ahmed ... 
www.theguardian.com/ environment/ earth-insight/ 2014/ jun/ 12/ pentagon-mass-civil-breakdown - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Jun 12, 2014 ... Pentagon Building in Washington ... A US Department of Defense (DoD) research programme is funding universities ... Launched in 2008 – the year of the global banking crisis – the DoD 'Minerva Research Initiative' ... constituted a potential national security threat of ...

4. The Pentagon's Weather Nightmare The climate could change ... 
archive.fortune.com/ magazines/ fortune/ fortune_archive/ 2004/ 02/ 09/ 360120/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Feb 9, 2004 ... That would be the mother of all national security issues. ... The threat that has riveted their attention is this: Global warming, rather than causing ... Accordingly, the spotlight in climate research is shifting from gradual to rapid change. ... But recently, renowned Department of ...

5. Four star generals declare climate change a national security risk 
www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2014/ 05/ 14/ 1299233/ -Four-star-generals-declare-climate-change-a-national-security-risk - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
May 14, 2014 ... These 20 top military officers warn that the climate change that is projected ... declare climate change represent threats to America's national security of this ... This important study my highly respected military officers will represent a .... food and water resources as a ...

6. Capability, Not Politics, Should Drive DOD Energy Research 
www.heritage.org/ research/ reports/ 2011/ 06/ capability-not-politics-should-drive-dod-energy-research - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Jun 22, 2011 ... WebMemo #3299 on National Security and Defense ... energy, its contribution to global warming is negligible even if one accepts the ... If the problem is that climate change is leading to a new set of conditions and threats to which ... used to justify taxpayer support for energy ...

7. MIT Western Hemisphere Project: Climate Change & National Security 
web.mit.edu/hemisphere/events/med-stipp20040209.shtml - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Feb 9, 2004 ... That would be themother of all national security issues. ... The threat that has riveted their attention is this: Global warming, rather than ... easy to see why the Pentagon has become interested in abrupt climate change. ... Accordingly, the spotlight in climate research is ...

8. JASON (advisory group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
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Although most of its research is military-focused, JASON also produced early work on the science of global warming and acid rain. ... JASON members all have security clearances, and they include physicists, biologists, chemists, ... research, a proposed National Defense Institute, on behalf of the ...

9. ISIS, water scarcity: Is climate change destabilizing Iraq? 
www.slate.com/ articles/ technology/ future_tense/ 2014/ 06/ isis_water_scarcity_is_climate_change_destabilizing_iraq.single.html - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Jun 27, 2014 ... A study published last year in the journal Science showed a strong ... Since 1973, Femia says, parts of Iraq and Syria have seen “some of the most ... Global warming might be affecting the rational processes at people working at Slate. ... For all the debate over climate change, ...

10. Pentagon Pollution, 7: The military assault on global climate 
www.climateandcapitalism.com/ 2015/ 02/ 08/ pentagon-pollution-7-military-assault-global-climate/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight 
Feb 8, 2015 ... The military reports no climate change emissions to any national or international body, ... DoD budget … is attributable to the objective of oil security. ... and called for “aggressive research in the whole field of solar energy” as well as ... The Carter Doctrine holds that ...



Those may not be what you want at all, some seem to be peripheral to what I am referring to here, but the cause of a changing climae and the demands of increasing population over the last decades make the matter obvious, IMO.

I am unable to find the original in my own computer self-search application. I saved it years ago as a pdf. It has been referred to by a number of books. I have 10 TB of documents and it takes forever to find just one without doing several searches in a row, defining which external hard drive possesses, even though they are all connected by hub to my desktop.

Good luck. And you're welcome.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
16. Thanks. Can you link to the actual 1973 document?
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:22 PM
May 2015

Unfortunately your search term sends me to pages that mention the year 1973 but don't link or explain the 1973 document or even mention it. I haven't gone through all the terms or even very many of them, because I'm interested in the 1973 document and your claim

Everything that is happening was predicted by the Pentagon study in 1973

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
17. My hard drive is down to 1 free GB which makes it impractical to spend hours to search it out.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:24 PM
May 2015

Last edited Thu May 21, 2015, 10:14 PM - Edit history (1)

You can dismiss my 'claim' which was only a statement, not worthy of a citation to MSM. I can't find the exact document as I probably moved it over to a disc.

This is over 40 years old and I only found it 13 years ago. I saved it and went through 6 dead hard drives and OS changes since then.

The links to more recent citings of the national security threat, will give the same information. That was the date from the source I had.

It's likely it is no longer linked at all which is why my time trying to get better results didn't produce the exact document, if it even exists online anymore. The source that linked it said it was being hidden from public view to for years to prevent panic.

Several people were urging others to download it before it would be removed. We've lost a lot of data that as scrubbed since BushCo., who made a practice of eliminating things they didn't want people to see. The more privatization, with paywalls and subscriptions is making it harder to source things.

When scroogle was available, I could have pulled it up for you in moments. Now it's gone and all searches run through google and/ or proxy servers, which have limitied search results (I had scroogle pre-set at a 100 minimum results with no commerical ones) and without it, searches really suck.

Some bad policy decisions were said to be made on the basis of the findings such as Kissinger's plans to reduce the population of 3d world countries to stop them coming here. Sea level rise, ocean acidification, the slow down of ocean currents, unstable weather patterns, the polar vortex moving south, the opening of Arctic sea lanes, extinctions of all forms of life and worst storms and the movement of peoples is well known. We are living through it right now. The threats to the biosphere should no longer be denied, but it still is.

I've spent time on this for you. My computer ran for a long time and froze up the rest of my resources waiting for results. I'm not here to be the Oracle of DU or 'claiming' anything outrageous nor do I have any interest in getting into a fight. The constant negativity I've come to expect at DU is making me lose interest. So that's it from me.

Have a good weekend.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
19. I have not dismissed your claim. I am interested in reading the 1973 document itself.
Fri May 22, 2015, 07:46 PM
May 2015

Thank you for the time you have spent helping me.

Big_Mike

(509 posts)
12. Obviously, there was a new Lockup episode needing to be aired
Wed May 20, 2015, 07:27 PM
May 2015

MUCH more important than a simple speech about a subject most of America ignores.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
22. next we'll have a new TSA-like agency to fight the eco-terrah
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:53 PM
May 2015

at the expense of whatever slivers of Constitutional rights we still might have

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