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Omaha Steve

(99,506 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 10:09 PM May 2015

NH Senate Votes To End Medicaid Expansion And Leave 40,000 Stranded Without Insurance

Source: NH Labor News

Today, the New Hampshire Senate voted straight down party lines against continuing the state’s partisan Medicaid expansion.

New Hampshire Senate Republicans including Jeb Bradley have praised the state’s bipartisan Medicaid expansion program, saying “the indications are that it’s working exactly as we intended. It’s reducing emergency room visits, and reducing what I call the ‘hidden tax’ of uncompensated care.”

Yet despite touting the program’s benefits for New Hampshire’s people, businesses and economy, the Senate Finance Committee voted yesterday along party lines against continuing the bipartisan plan.

“Just yesterday, Republican Senators on the Finance Committee touted the success of our bipartisan Medicaid expansion plan,” said Senator Woodburn. “This isn’t a partisan issue. New Hampshire’s business community, including the Business and Industry Association, has called on us to continue the state’s successful expansion program because it’s reducing heath care cost-shifting onto our families and businesses, strengthening the health of our workforce, and boosting our economy.”

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://nhlabornews.com/2015/05/nh-senate-votes-to-end-medicaid-expansion-and-leave-40000-stranded-without-insurance/



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NH Senate Votes To End Medicaid Expansion And Leave 40,000 Stranded Without Insurance (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2015 OP
Evil assholes. EEO May 2015 #1
Just like Walker & Co. in WI. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #2
And Jindal in Louisiana. EEO May 2015 #5
God damn I am so sick of these greedy bastards! marym625 May 2015 #3
I live in a state where this is about to happen as well. TM99 May 2015 #4
It was. The US Supreme Court allowed states to opt out IronLionZion May 2015 #6
They should have planned ahead for that possibility. TM99 May 2015 #7
How? There isn't anything they can do shy of making sure the state legislatures are made up of 51% okaawhatever May 2015 #14
Now, no there is nothing they can do. TM99 May 2015 #17
No, there is nothing you can do to make someone join a program when SCOTUS says joining is okaawhatever May 2015 #22
Read again. TM99 May 2015 #23
The funding was legislated as non-optional. The Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutionally geek tragedy May 2015 #28
the Supreme Court said they couldn't do it CreekDog May 2015 #20
Before it got to SCOTUS. TM99 May 2015 #21
Then of course Congress would have passed this as legislation with no regards to the the states.... CK_John May 2015 #26
The Supreme Court ruling making Medicaid expansion optional was unprecedented. Eric J in MN May 2015 #36
It was pretty much iron clad Sgent May 2015 #43
Live Free or Die....they take that too far. George II May 2015 #8
It's one thing for a state like Florida to do this DonCoquixote May 2015 #9
That is one very good question. Will the governor veto it if the House passes it? jwirr May 2015 #10
I doubt it PatSeg May 2015 #34
Hassan will definitely veto it Tempest May 2015 #48
Good. jwirr May 2015 #49
New Hampshire is barely blue and very libertarian leaning. The first Free Stater elected to office okaawhatever May 2015 #15
which makes the fact that they are the first poltical battleground DonCoquixote May 2015 #16
Um... WilliamPitt May 2015 #24
Actually, no moose65 May 2015 #32
NH is technically blue--but deep in its heart, it's blood red Demeter May 2015 #18
Again: WilliamPitt May 2015 #25
I think he's talking state legislature. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #31
I live in NH and the state is deep red Tempest May 2015 #39
This state elected Sununu as governor not too long ago. geek tragedy May 2015 #29
What is the party breakdown in the NH House and is bill likely to pass or fail there? nt No Vested Interest May 2015 #11
Republicans control the NH House Eric J in MN May 2015 #37
Regardless of whether it passes the House or not Tempest May 2015 #40
Good news. nt No Vested Interest May 2015 #42
Ahhh NH....beautiful state run by idiots Marrah_G May 2015 #12
Vindictive assholes. blackspade May 2015 #13
Koch Bros money pushing this ? INdemo May 2015 #19
We deserve the government we get. CK_John May 2015 #27
No, we fucking don't. graegoyle May 2015 #55
Surely there is no way this will be signed into law by the state's Dem governor. LonePirate May 2015 #30
Gov. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) Eric J in MN May 2015 #35
It would be earth shattering if she signed it Tempest May 2015 #41
None. What. So. Ever. Tempest May 2015 #47
40,000 votes can swing an election sometimes hollowdweller May 2015 #33
We're just now finding out about this Tempest May 2015 #45
don't they know employers LOVE Medicaid expansion? wordpix May 2015 #38
The House won't act on it and it'll die a quick death Tempest May 2015 #44
why is this a state-issue? quadrature May 2015 #46
It helps if you read up on an issue before commenting Tempest May 2015 #50
then why is it a state issue? ....nt quadrature May 2015 #51
Why are you asking when you can learn why for yourself? n/t Tempest May 2015 #52
It is a state issue because the state has to start paying in 2016. former9thward May 2015 #54
But the states start picking up part of the cost in 2017 - which is the date in question Yo_Mama May 2015 #53
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
4. I live in a state where this is about to happen as well.
Thu May 21, 2015, 10:42 PM
May 2015

While I am certainly pissed at the GOP, I am equally pissed that once the public option was gone and we were left with Heritagecare that the architects did not plan ahead for this type of shit.

Provisions should have been made iron clad that any medicaid expansion would be protected from individual state's attempts to overturn it. What, they thought the GOP ruled red states would just go along with this without any fights?

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
14. How? There isn't anything they can do shy of making sure the state legislatures are made up of 51%
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:22 AM
May 2015

Dems. Your statement is ridiculous.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
17. Now, no there is nothing they can do.
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:14 AM
May 2015

Then in the planning stages. Yes.

It is ridiculous to think given the scope and magnitude of the program that such contingencies would not have been planned for given the immediate push back from the GOP on 'Obamacare'.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
22. No, there is nothing you can do to make someone join a program when SCOTUS says joining is
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:14 AM
May 2015

optional.. Again, you aren't answering the question. What could be done?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
23. Read again.
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:17 AM
May 2015

You are telling me no one in legal thought to ask about the ACA, "is there any way this could be challenged in court?" How can we make the ACA such that options for federal funding for medicaid expansion are not going to be ruled 'optional'?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
28. The funding was legislated as non-optional. The Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutionally
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:45 AM
May 2015

coercive to make it non-optional.

So, no, there's nothing they could have done about that.

On the plus side, that same rule may save the subsidies in June.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
21. Before it got to SCOTUS.
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:12 AM
May 2015

The 11th Dimensional wunderkind could have had his team of crack insurance reps do this little thing called 'risk assessment'.

What challenges legally is this plan likely to face? OK, let's plan for as many as possible.

What challenges politically is this plan likely to face? What, you mean the GOP is just going to accept it without fighting it in the courts or in state government? OK, let's plan for as many of those challenges as possible.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
26. Then of course Congress would have passed this as legislation with no regards to the the states....
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:36 AM
May 2015

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
36. The Supreme Court ruling making Medicaid expansion optional was unprecedented.
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:02 PM
May 2015

I didn't predict it. I don't blame Reps and Senators for not predicting that strange Supreme Court ruling.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
43. It was pretty much iron clad
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:14 PM
May 2015

they either expanded Medicaid or lost ALL medicaid dollars.

The problem was the supreme court said that this was illegally coercive to the states. The fact that the supreme court had allowed this type of thing when it came to the drinking age (lose transportation funds), drug laws, and other issues meant no one expected the supreme court to backtrack.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
9. It's one thing for a state like Florida to do this
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:11 PM
May 2015

But seriously, what the hell happened where Blue States are going psycho?

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
48. Hassan will definitely veto it
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:22 PM
May 2015

For two reasons:

1. Businesses are against the repeal.
2. She's not going to repeal one of her signature acts. She was the driving force behind the original passage of the law.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
15. New Hampshire is barely blue and very libertarian leaning. The first Free Stater elected to office
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:44 AM
May 2015

there ran as a Democrat. NH is an anomoly in politics.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
16. which makes the fact that they are the first poltical battleground
Fri May 22, 2015, 03:20 AM
May 2015

oh so very strange. Still, the thing about libertarians is that as much as they hate government Tyranny, they sure like corporate tyrants who do things few governments would dare to do, like deny old and sick health care.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
24. Um...
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:22 AM
May 2015

Whence comes this conclusion? There is only one (1) federally elected Republican in office (Ayotte). The other Senator, and the entire House delegation, are all Democrats...and all women, as is the Democratic governor. NH went for Kerry in 2004, and for Obama in both 2008 and 2012.

Your information is out of date.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
32. Actually, no
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:04 PM
May 2015

One of NH's Congressional Representatives is a Republican man. Frank Guinta represents the swingy 1st district. He and Carol Shea-Porter kinda take turns (it seems) representing this district.

Their other Rep is a Democratic woman, as is the other Senator, Jeanne Shaheen. The Governor is a Democrat, but both houses of the legislature are currently held by Republicans. NH is like the ultimate swing state, although I suspect that deep down it really leans more to the blue side.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
18. NH is technically blue--but deep in its heart, it's blood red
Fri May 22, 2015, 07:10 AM
May 2015

Live free or die! A lot of people are dying in NH....

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
25. Again:
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:23 AM
May 2015

There is only one (1) federally elected Republican in office (Ayotte). The other Senator, and the entire House delegation, are all Democrats...and all women, as is the Democratic governor. NH went for Kerry in 2004, and for Obama in both 2008 and 2012.

Your information is out of date.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
31. I think he's talking state legislature.
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:08 AM
May 2015

Repubs winning a vote 'strictly along partisan lines' tells us that there are more Repubs than Dems at that particular level of government.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
39. I live in NH and the state is deep red
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:11 PM
May 2015

When it comes to statewide offices.

Republicans in the last election took a commanding lead in the state legislature. It was a bloodbath.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
40. Regardless of whether it passes the House or not
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:12 PM
May 2015

Governor Hassan will veto it. Republicans have failed to override her vetoes so far.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
19. Koch Bros money pushing this ?
Fri May 22, 2015, 07:15 AM
May 2015

let see...Do the Koch Brothers have any logging interests in NH..I smell a Koch Brothers rat somewhere

graegoyle

(532 posts)
55. No, we fucking don't.
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:37 PM
May 2015

Especially with all the underhanded 💩 that has been seen in elections, that statement is idiotic.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
41. It would be earth shattering if she signed it
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:13 PM
May 2015

And Republicans haven't been able to override any of her vetoes. They won't on this one either.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
33. 40,000 votes can swing an election sometimes
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:33 PM
May 2015

I wonder how many of the recipients know this is in the works? How many are registered to vote?

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
45. We're just now finding out about this
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:18 PM
May 2015

The Senate snuck it in and the reaction has been brutal against the Senate. Everyone I know is contacting the Senate and House members not to even think about eliminating the exchanges.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
38. don't they know employers LOVE Medicaid expansion?
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:45 PM
May 2015

My experience of having cancer, getting treatments, having to stop work, getting well and looking for work after treatments at age 63 is that there are mostly part-time jobs out there for me. Employers love it that they can pay a low hourly wage and not have to offer benefits, which they justify since the employee has Medicaid expansion if he's poor enough, or O-care if he makes more. We'll see how this turns out, but it won't be pretty.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
44. The House won't act on it and it'll die a quick death
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:15 PM
May 2015

Businesses and health care executives are hammering the House members to not take it up.

Because of the power of businesses in this state, campaign contributions from individuals is paltry in comparison, the House won't go against them.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
50. It helps if you read up on an issue before commenting
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:49 PM
May 2015

"The federal government pays 100 percent of the cost for the newly eligible recipients who can earn up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level under the Affordable Care Act."

former9thward

(31,949 posts)
54. It is a state issue because the state has to start paying in 2016.
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:06 PM
May 2015

The federal share of coverage goes from 100% to 90% by 2020. In addition the state has to pay administrative costs.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
53. But the states start picking up part of the cost in 2017 - which is the date in question
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

The current Medicaid expansion is still good through the end of 2016. This vote was about expanding their current program past that date, and really they are just kicking the can down the road.

I'm sure they'll do something before 2017, but whether it will be quite the current program, who knows?

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