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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 03:20 PM Jun 2015

Kurdish forces seize most of Islamic State-controlled border town: monitor

Source: Reuters

AMMAN (Reuters) - The Syrian Kurdish YPG militia, aided by U.S.-led air strikes, have seized most of the town of Tel Abyad, pushing Islamic State fighters who had controlled the town back towards their de facto capital in Raqqa, a monitoring group said on Monday.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which tracks violence across the country, said a handful of Islamic State militants and their Arab tribal allies remained in a few pockets inside the strategic town on the Turkish border.

Read more: https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/kurdish-forces-seize-most-islamic-state-controlled-border-190401801.html



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Kurdish forces seize most of Islamic State-controlled border town: monitor (Original Post) Bosonic Jun 2015 OP
Go Kurds Go! ellisonz Jun 2015 #1
I do admire the Kurds. OKNancy Jun 2015 #2
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Jun 2015 #3
ISIS would win a lot less if the Iraqi "army" stopped running from engagements in which they have Chakab Jun 2015 #4
Not to mention Plucketeer Jun 2015 #5
And there have been cases of Iraqi army officers handing their men over to Isis Marrah_G Jun 2015 #9
The Iraqi army has been demoralized Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #12
Very true Marrah_G Jun 2015 #13
It'll be nice when ISIS is decimated Plucketeer Jun 2015 #6
Good point! red dog 1 Jun 2015 #17
I think the West has always had unhappy relationship with Turkey. They entered NATO when they needed freshwest Jun 2015 #10
Excellent post! red dog 1 Jun 2015 #16
Kurds have special qualities, I must say! MADem Jun 2015 #7
I love 'em!! n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #11
The Kurdish fighters, especially the women are very tough Marrah_G Jun 2015 #8
I kind of want the Kurds to win romanic Jun 2015 #14
go Kurds go! Amishman Jun 2015 #15
I greatly admire the Kurds and the YPG/YPJ forces rollin74 Jun 2015 #18

red dog 1

(27,845 posts)
3. K&R...Thanks for posting
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jun 2015

It's nice to hear that those ISIS bastards don't always win, although ISIS fighters are still around that town.

While this is good news for freedom-lovers who hate the Islamic State; it's bad news for Turkey, which helps ISIS smuggle oil out of Syria & sell it

I wish the "West" would call out Turkey once and for all for the secretive aid they provide to ISIS

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
4. ISIS would win a lot less if the Iraqi "army" stopped running from engagements in which they have
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jun 2015

superior numbers.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
9. And there have been cases of Iraqi army officers handing their men over to Isis
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:03 AM
Jun 2015

The Iraqi military if a mess of greed and corruption.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
12. The Iraqi army has been demoralized
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:23 AM
Jun 2015

Years of war with Iran, then Gulf War I (including the Highway to Hell), then Gulf War II. It is not surprising that their army is a mess.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
13. Very true
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

But also, the entire army was dismantled and this new one lacks discipline, leadership, loyalty. I think that trying to form an army when every other aspect of Iraqi life is screwed up is an impossible feat.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
6. It'll be nice when ISIS is decimated
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jun 2015

But WHO'S next??? Who will be the next to try and exert dominance over there? And how long before we decide they aren't working in our favor as well - and then call for air strikes.

red dog 1

(27,845 posts)
17. Good point!
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

However, it might be quite a while before ISIS is "decimated", since they have so many new recruits coming to join them every day, (mostly through Turkey), and their "soldiers" are led by battle-tested military commanders with state-of-the-art American weaponry left behind by the fleeing Iraqis.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. I think the West has always had unhappy relationship with Turkey. They entered NATO when they needed
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:08 AM
Jun 2015
but like most of these ancient areas they have always had agendas that I doubt many in the West will ever grasp.

http://www.ibtimes.com/why-turkey-nato-704333

IMO, which is not professional by any means, Turkey has been long romancing restoring the Caliphate when they were very influential:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Caliphate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/19/the-caliph-is-coming-get-ready-pro-erdogan-turkish-politician-tweets/

Just like some in Russia want the Empire restored:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30518054

This is by no means a new thing in many countries, and with great wealth and the rewards of organized societies, empires will be created, and powerful entities will push for them. So will their citizens to ensure their own position in their society.

Many Westerners came to believe that the modern nation states formed out of WW2 were going to prove themselves so valuable no one would want to return to the past. FDR was in favor of 'self-determination' to bring about world peace:

http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/aboutfdr/atlanticcharter.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Charter

But he died before he could achieve that change in thinking or the Four Freedoms which are a bulwark against demagogues:

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way -- everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want -- which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear -- which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor-- anywhere in the world.


http://edsitement.neh.gov/lesson-plan/fdrs-four-freedoms-speech-freedom-fireside

We haven;t failed totally, but still have much work to do and we're talking about a part of the world that waged generational warfare of the type we can only imagine, for many centuries. They know their history and are related more by blood and religion than we understand, having been founded as a secular nation.

We thought and still do, that the wisdom of our vision spoke for itself and was undeniable. But some was been built on bad alliances we perhaps should not have made; but it was thought they had to be made to survive.
We'll see.

One of the objections of some surrounding and rejecting the Kurds is their secularist bent. This endears them to me. I wish I could help. I saw this today:

Kurdish fighters cut key supply line to Islamic State capital Raqqa

15 June 2015



“There is nowhere Daesh can escape to,” he said, using the Arabic acronym for Isis...

The advance is a blow to the jihadist group, which is battling to hold onto Tal Abyad and preserve its main supply line between Raqqa and the Turkish border.

Kurdish fighters and Syrian rebels began their main advance on Tal Abyad on 11 June, backed by air strikes from the US-led coalition.

The clashes have prompted thousands of civilians to flee, with some 16,000 crossing into Turkey since last week, despite sporadic border closures...


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/kurdish-fighters-cut-key-supply-line-to-islamic-state-capital-raqqa

Raqqa is hugely symbolic to the Daesh as they consider it to be the place of the Apocalpyse, in which they will slaughter all their enemies and then their saviour will return to rule Earth, IIRC from a Salon article.

It is also 50 miles north of Tal Abyad which is where their incoming fighters and weapons enter the area and from which they ship out black market oil. And Tal Abyad is 49 miles east of Kobani. All of these places have great strategic importance.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Kurds have special qualities, I must say!
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jun 2015

Enormous integrity, great bravery, extraordinary wisdom and natural intelligence, absolute fearlessness, and good looks!

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
8. The Kurdish fighters, especially the women are very tough
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:02 AM
Jun 2015

Vice has done a few reports on them and they are not only tough...they are also a very likeable sort of people. They know they are fighting, literally, not just for their own lives, but for the lives of all their people.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
14. I kind of want the Kurds to win
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

Just so they can take this opportunity to create their own republic; what a strong group of people.

rollin74

(1,989 posts)
18. I greatly admire the Kurds and the YPG/YPJ forces
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

who are battling daesh

good that Tel Abyad is effectively cleared of the scum

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