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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:13 AM Jun 2015

UPDATED 3 X: Obamacare wins

Source: Supreme Court Live Blog

Live blog of opinions | June 25, 2015 Live



Dissent is by Scalia.
by Amy Howe 10:10 AMComment ?0

Six are the Chief, Kennedy, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan.
by Amy Howe 10:10 AMComment ?0

Short story is a victory for the ACA and the Obama Administration.
by Eric Citron 10:10 AMComment ?0

Administration wins, to put it another way.
by Amy Howe 10:10 AMComment ?0

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This means that individuals who get their health insurance through an exchange established by the federal government will be eligible for tax subsidies.

- See more at: http://live.scotusblog.com/Event/Live_blog_of_opinions__June_25_2015#sthash.OXxcr6yq.dpuf



Read more: Link to source



UPDATE 1

The decision is here:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-114_qol1.pdf

UPDATE 2

No more decisions today, but rather, tomorrow and Monday

UPDATE 3

BREAKING NEWS

Supreme Court Allows Health Care Subsidies Nationwide
Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:14 AM EDT

The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that President Obama’s health care law may provide nationwide tax subsidies to help poor and middle-class people buy health insurance.

The case concerned a central part of the Affordable Care Act, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative achievement. The law created marketplaces, known as exchanges, to allow people who lack insurance to shop for individual health plans.

Some states set up their own exchanges, but about three dozen allowed the federal government to step in to run them. Across the nation, about 85 percent of customers using the exchanges qualify for subsidies to help pay for coverage, based on their income.

The question in the case, King v. Burwell, No. 14-114, was what to make of a phrase in the law that seems to say the subsidies are available only to people buying insurance on “an exchange established by the state.”

Four plaintiffs, all from Virginia, sued the Obama administration, saying the phrase meant that the law forbids the federal government to provide subsidies in states that do not have their own exchanges. Congress made the distinction, they said, to encourage states to create their own exchanges.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us/supreme-court-affordable-care-act-health-subsidies.html?emc=edit_na_20150625&nlid=57435284&ref=cta
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UPDATED 3 X: Obamacare wins (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2015 OP
Should have been 9-0, but I'll take it. Hoyt Jun 2015 #1
OMG! What's next? Canoe52 Jun 2015 #82
K&R BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #2
Wahoo! A victory for Americans and one in the eye to a lot of rather nasty people. Shrike47 Jun 2015 #3
Today's Washington Post... CBHagman Jun 2015 #105
EXCELLENT!!! Chicago1980 Jun 2015 #4
eff'in Scalia and Thomas .... Myrina Jun 2015 #5
you said what I want to say... dhill926 Jun 2015 #50
Totally disagree Myrina SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #89
FUCK 'em. And their little pal alito, too. calimary Jun 2015 #94
Thank God! ellie Jun 2015 #6
Yes! mindfulNJ Jun 2015 #7
Bam! frazzled Jun 2015 #8
Wooo-hoooo! Coventina Jun 2015 #9
Great news!!!!!!!! blackspade Jun 2015 #10
some comments from scotusblog - too funny asiliveandbreathe Jun 2015 #11
Good news!! nt AikenYankee Jun 2015 #12
Great news. ucrdem Jun 2015 #13
Yes, and it was initially depressing - remember how everyone's first read was that the vote......... George II Jun 2015 #18
I remember that - some real confusion rurallib Jun 2015 #36
They already had the WRONG headline! George II Jun 2015 #44
They already had the WRONG headline! AlbertCat Jun 2015 #92
That was June 28, 2012, three years ago this Monday. Here is the report about CNN and Fox... George II Jun 2015 #57
Scalia is such a vile piece of shit Roland99 Jun 2015 #14
And that is different from any other day how? NewJeffCT Jun 2015 #21
All 3 are total partisan hacks. lark Jun 2015 #88
I have heard him described as a "conservative intellectual" rurallib Jun 2015 #39
"conservative intellectual" Roland99 Jun 2015 #49
I prefer... 3catwoman3 Jun 2015 #59
Can there be anything more anti-Catholic stance than taking healthcare away from millions? ... aggiesal Jun 2015 #87
Celebrate! Surya Gayatri Jun 2015 #15
NY Times: Supreme Court Allows Nationwide Health Care Subsidies brooklynite Jun 2015 #16
THIS IS GREAT NEWS! It's only a matter of days before republicans stop calling it "Obamacare"! George II Jun 2015 #17
Yup. They'll start calling it WalkerCare or TrumpCare, or FailureToCommunicate Jun 2015 #23
how long before they vote to Ghost of Tom Joad Jun 2015 #24
Probably this afternoon. George II Jun 2015 #30
The already did yesterday in the Dixie House of Reps attached to a domestic spending bill. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #40
AND take credit for it Iliyah Jun 2015 #26
I've just seen it referred to as SCOTUScare at the Supreme Court Blog n/t DonViejo Jun 2015 #43
That's what Scalia called it in his dissent: "We should start calling this law SCOTUScare." George II Jun 2015 #81
"Get over it," Tony. reflection Jun 2015 #95
Idiot sounds bitter. Cha Jun 2015 #123
The health insurance companies got the word to the SC that they like Obamacare as is. spooky3 Jun 2015 #19
That was my thought. Exactly. And no, the ACA is not going to lead to Single Payer or djean111 Jun 2015 #31
blah blah blah - some people just can't be satisfied. George II Jun 2015 #48
That's what I am saying to the blah blah blah of next stop - Single Payer or Universal Health Care. djean111 Jun 2015 #65
If Dems keep the Whitehouse, absolutely, positively there will be a march toward Universal Sheepshank Jun 2015 #55
How do you know that? candelista Jun 2015 #104
You seem disappointed in today's ruling nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #58
Nope. Not at all. I was speaking to the next step Universal Health Care thing. djean111 Jun 2015 #68
Realistically, insurance companies were never going to be legislated out of existence geek tragedy Jun 2015 #71
And I was being realistic. That's all. djean111 Jun 2015 #72
Republicans collectively and secretly exhaling a sigh of relief. no_hypocrisy Jun 2015 #20
WP: Republicans noisily outraged — and quietly relieved — over court decision no_hypocrisy Jun 2015 #114
If this is followed up by a positive ruling on marriage equality... Silent3 Jun 2015 #22
SCOTUS also upheld the Fair Housing Act. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #25
Yes, indeed! blogslut Jun 2015 #46
OH HAPPY DAY!!! lamp_shade Jun 2015 #27
I hadn't even picked my jaw up off the floor from the housing decision LadyHawkAZ Jun 2015 #28
Over 50+ attempts by congress to repeal sorefeet Jun 2015 #29
Sweet. bluegopher Jun 2015 #32
This might give some hope to those in states w/o expanded medicare..... Historic NY Jun 2015 #33
Reading Fat Tony Scalia's petulant whining dissent now. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2015 #34
The fascist judges have abandoned all pretext of "adhering to the intent of a law", so great is Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #42
"Whining" is apt. His Dissent cracks me up. He was going to vote against ACA no matter what. Hoyt Jun 2015 #61
YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!! YES!!!! 47of74 Jun 2015 #35
You don't have to wait. Read Scalia's dissent. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2015 #38
Yeah I saw it. 47of74 Jun 2015 #100
It's already happening! Upclose in this thread: freshwest Jun 2015 #103
I am ecstatic.... Feron Jun 2015 #37
I just found out on my Facebook feed a minute ago davidpdx Jun 2015 #41
YAY! I won't lose my insurance! Novara Jun 2015 #45
I quickly switched over to Fox News to see how they're taking it..... George II Jun 2015 #47
So did I. The mood is a little grim over there this morning. lamp_shade Jun 2015 #60
Reality sucks! George II Jun 2015 #62
if you read the dissenting opinion by Scalia drray23 Jun 2015 #51
Going to read it now. Usually wait to read any of his JimDandy Jun 2015 #84
Now On To Victory With Gay Marriage! (n/t) Herman4747 Jun 2015 #52
I absolutely did not see this coming. Orrex Jun 2015 #53
Roberts didn't want to look like a weak flip flopper so he joined in. Kablooie Jun 2015 #66
I was afraid, too. I think they will approve marriage equality, and I was sure pnwmom Jun 2015 #116
Thanks for the direct link to the text of the decision. passnobuck Jun 2015 #54
Thank goodness!! herding cats Jun 2015 #56
Massive used car salesmen party tonight BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #63
I'd pay for the drinks but I don't believe in encouraging losers. randome Jun 2015 #112
Yeah, I'm sure those who live in reality are celebrating all across the country! Cha Jun 2015 #134
The "meat" of the decision is on page 24... passnobuck Jun 2015 #64
So when do we get universal single payer? davepc Jun 2015 #67
Under the ACA? enlightenment Jun 2015 #75
Canadians have told me it took 20 years of fighting after passing an ACA-type law. freshwest Jun 2015 #83
Well done, Ginsburg, Bryer, Sotomayor, and Kagen. And thanks, Chief and Kennedy, too) Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #69
well heaven05 Jun 2015 #70
Hell is freezing over. SpankMe Jun 2015 #73
I'm part of the one percent... dangin Jun 2015 #74
Me too, dangin SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #91
We all win! Fritz Walter Jun 2015 #76
Bark worse than bite tuhaybey Jun 2015 #77
Repealing ACA is just a campaign slogan now. harun Jun 2015 #97
Somewhere Ted Kennedy has a HUGE smile on his face, let's not forget him today! George II Jun 2015 #78
A win for us and now the Rs can stop holding their breathe. jwirr Jun 2015 #79
Thank goodness! Javaman Jun 2015 #80
Conservative heads are going to blow up on faux news Andy Carr Jun 2015 #85
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2015 #86
Kickety! Hekate Jun 2015 #90
Saints be PRAISED!!!! calimary Jun 2015 #93
Wonderful!! mvd Jun 2015 #96
Another win for the POSUCS BainsBane Jun 2015 #98
How sad. Some whiners get to keep their health care now. randome Jun 2015 #111
I'm guessing this takes the "you must vote for Hillary because of SCOTUS" meme Doctor_J Jun 2015 #99
Fux News was exploding this morning Dopers_Greed Jun 2015 #101
K&R! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #102
Together, let's celebrate Obama's better legacy today Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #106
I won. We won. n/t savalez Jun 2015 #107
The big fucking deal thrives....well done. K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #108
Okay, this is very good for the people sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #109
I am actually shocked that Roberts made the decision because he could have just let cstanleytech Jun 2015 #110
Roberts votes with the majority when he wants to get credit for writing the decision. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #117
Looks like I spoke to soon about Roberts, he just proved how much of a douchebag cstanleytech Jun 2015 #136
Actually, Roberts *was* the swing vote in the 2012 case... Princess Turandot Jun 2015 #124
Scalia would dissent if the ruling was against slavery. raven mad Jun 2015 #113
So can the GOP Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #115
Now We Need To Really Lower the Obscene Costs colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #118
I remember how Kagan and Sotomayor were slammed DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #119
Excellent!!! Red1 Jun 2015 #120
HAHA! YES! President Barack Obama's message to the GOP on #ObamaCare's 6-3 SCOTUS win. Cha Jun 2015 #121
Yeah, they are all teary-eyed that thousands of people lovemydog Jun 2015 #126
"It's SCOTUSCARE"! Cha Jun 2015 #127
Haha! I like calling it POSUCSCARE. lovemydog Jun 2015 #128
I think msanthrope would Cha Jun 2015 #129
LOL, Yeah! It totally cracks me up. lovemydog Jun 2015 #130
Thank Goodness I'm not apart of their world. the ODS Cha Jun 2015 #131
Absolutely. lovemydog Jun 2015 #132
I love personal anecdotes.. mahalo, lovemydog.. so happy for your sis and everyone with Cha Jun 2015 #133
Take that John Yoo! savalez Jun 2015 #122
Best domestic news story of the year! lovemydog Jun 2015 #125
and let's put this one on top too......nt Stuart G Jun 2015 #135

CBHagman

(16,968 posts)
105. Today's Washington Post...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

...had a list of GOP plans at the ready in the event that SCOTUS decided to define "State" differently and what the chances were of the multiple proposals, all of which is now truly yesterday's news.

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
4. EXCELLENT!!!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

Pre-existing conditions prevented me from obtaining healthcare before.

Next step... Universal healthcare.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
5. eff'in Scalia and Thomas ....
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

2 of the most unpleasant, perpetual crab-ass humans ever to hold a law degree.
Why don't they retire already & settle for making their immediate families miserable instead of the whole country?

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
89. Totally disagree Myrina
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jun 2015

I can't trash Scalia and Thomas without putting the odious slug Alito in there with them.
If one if these three can be replaced by the next Democratic President we will be OK for another decade.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. Bam!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

I kind of knew this would be the decision. The case was a stupid, desperate attempt to dismantle an act of Congress. But you never know. Many people in this country are very relieved.

The "State" won.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
11. some comments from scotusblog - too funny
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jun 2015

and to think the scotus figured it out all on it's own - on scalia dissent - should call ACA SCOTUScare....

Call it what you like - millions have heath care...

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. Great news.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jun 2015

I can remember when they handed down the decision that basically gave ACA a green light. Beautiful summer morning just like today.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Yes, and it was initially depressing - remember how everyone's first read was that the vote.........
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jun 2015

.....was against Obamacare?

George II

(67,782 posts)
57. That was June 28, 2012, three years ago this Monday. Here is the report about CNN and Fox...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jun 2015

....reporting incorrectly.

What a great day that was, but today really is better because it essentially re-reinforces that OBAMACARE is here to stay!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/cnn-supreme-court-health-care-individual-mandate_n_1633950.html

lark

(23,003 posts)
88. All 3 are total partisan hacks.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jun 2015

Can't believe Thomas' wife gets paid $700,000 per year by Heritage Foundation and he's allowed to stay on the bench and hear cases in which they have an interest. So Thomas is venal, Scalia delusionnal and Alito is a teahadist.

rurallib

(62,346 posts)
39. I have heard him described as a "conservative intellectual"
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jun 2015

I maintain there is no such animal.

What is interesting is that he claims to be a very devout Catholic and is known to take advice from his priest son. Can there be anything more anti-Catholic stance than taking healthcare away from millions?

aggiesal

(8,864 posts)
87. Can there be anything more anti-Catholic stance than taking healthcare away from millions? ...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

No.

He may call himself Catholic, but he's not Catholic.
I'm sure he thinks the Pope is the anti-christ.

brooklynite

(93,871 posts)
16. NY Times: Supreme Court Allows Nationwide Health Care Subsidies
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jun 2015

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that President Obama’s health care law may provide nationwide tax subsidies to help poor and middle-class people buy health insurance.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote the majority opinion in the 6-to-3 decision. The court’s three most conservative members — Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. — dissented.

The case concerned a central part of the Affordable Care Act, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative achievement. The law created marketplaces, known as exchanges, to allow people who lack insurance to shop for individual health plans.

Some states set up their own exchanges, but about three dozen allowed the federal government to step in to run them. Across the nation, about 85 percent of customers using the exchanges qualify for subsidies to help pay for coverage, based on their income.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us/supreme-court-affordable-care-act-health-subsidies.html

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
19. The health insurance companies got the word to the SC that they like Obamacare as is.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jun 2015

But this is good news for many Americans as well.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. That was my thought. Exactly. And no, the ACA is not going to lead to Single Payer or
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jun 2015

Universal Health Care. The corporations run the show.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
65. That's what I am saying to the blah blah blah of next stop - Single Payer or Universal Health Care.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jun 2015

People should be satisfied with the corporate solution.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
55. If Dems keep the Whitehouse, absolutely, positively there will be a march toward Universal
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jun 2015

Of course there are a lot of wet blankets out there who have publically announced they will not vote Dem if the Nominee is Clinton...so there is that set of personalities that would undermine ACA....Cruz etc have made it clear they want to repeal every word of it.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
68. Nope. Not at all. I was speaking to the next step Universal Health Care thing.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jun 2015

The insurance companies have us in the bag.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
71. Realistically, insurance companies were never going to be legislated out of existence
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
Jun 2015

like that.

Medicare is dependent upon them for claims processing. They weren't going anywhere. And, we saw the giant freakout when 1% of people 'lost' their current insurance policies because of Obamacare. Imagine that number going to 100%--everyone with private insurance would lose it and have it replaced by a brand new, untested and untried government program.

really unfortunate what happened in Vermont. It'll take single payer working on the state level before we can think about implementing it on the national level

no_hypocrisy

(45,774 posts)
20. Republicans collectively and secretly exhaling a sigh of relief.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jun 2015

An opinion killing the subsidies could have been game-changer for several elections.

no_hypocrisy

(45,774 posts)
114. WP: Republicans noisily outraged — and quietly relieved — over court decision
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jun 2015

Even as Republicans rose in a chorus of outrage Thursday over the U.S. Supreme Court’s refusal to gut the unpopular Affordable Care Act, party leaders were privately breathing a sigh of relief.

Had the court gone the other way, Republicans would have faced their most serious governing challenge since taking control of both houses of Congress earlier this year.

Former Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie called it “a bad legal outcome, but a good political outcome” for Republicans. But he added that it will increase pressure on his party to come up with a specific alternative to the law ahead of the 2016 elections.

-more-


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-noisily-outraged--and-quietly-relieved--over-court-decision/2015/06/25/bba90998-1b47-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

Silent3

(15,018 posts)
22. If this is followed up by a positive ruling on marriage equality...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jun 2015

...the right-wing head explosions will be epic.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
25. SCOTUS also upheld the Fair Housing Act.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jun 2015

The working majority on the court appears to have shifted somewhat to the left.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
28. I hadn't even picked my jaw up off the floor from the housing decision
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jun 2015

and it fell right back down again. I'm pleased, but they both came as a surprise.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
29. Over 50+ attempts by congress to repeal
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jun 2015

the ACA. Will they stop wasting tax payer money now trying to make it fail. I think we are on our way to universal health care after this decision. If they had to pay for their symbolic votes of ACA maybe they would think twice.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
33. This might give some hope to those in states w/o expanded medicare.....
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

or ones where the Gov. was in favor of dismantling ACA.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
34. Reading Fat Tony Scalia's petulant whining dissent now.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:05 AM - Edit history (1)

"Words have meanings"





Sounds like it is written by Rush Limpballs.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
42. The fascist judges have abandoned all pretext of "adhering to the intent of a law", so great is
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jun 2015

their corruption.

I will read predictable Scalia's fascist, childish rantings another day.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
35. YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!! YES!!!!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

I cannot wait to hear the teabagger whining about this. Cannot wait.

I don't care if it's schadenfreude

Feron

(2,063 posts)
37. I am ecstatic....
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Jun 2015

Subsidies are the only way I can afford health insurance, I live is Lousyana, and I really need it right now.

These past few weeks I've been on pins and needles and I can finally relax!!

Now onto letting gays get legally married everywhere....

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
41. I just found out on my Facebook feed a minute ago
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jun 2015

It's after 11:30 pm here in Seoul. I let out a couple of short screams. Good news to go to bed to.

George II

(67,782 posts)
47. I quickly switched over to Fox News to see how they're taking it.....
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jun 2015

....they have Karl Rove talking about it, and the interviewer was reviewing Scalia's DISSENTING opinion.

Those fuckers just can't accept reality!

drray23

(7,587 posts)
51. if you read the dissenting opinion by Scalia
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jun 2015

You will be amazed at how rude he is. Basically he us directly attacking the motives and judgment of the majority ruling. He starts by saying Its quite absurb.. to interpret it like the majority did. He then keeps piling up with a rant rather than a legal opinion butressed by case law. This man is a disgrace.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
84. Going to read it now. Usually wait to read any of his
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jun 2015

dissents, but if it's that good of a rant...

Orrex

(63,085 posts)
53. I absolutely did not see this coming.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jun 2015

My bitter cynicism was predicting a 5-4 decision against.


Color me amazed.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
116. I was afraid, too. I think they will approve marriage equality, and I was sure
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

they wouldn't go all "liberal" on this, too.

Wow.

 

passnobuck

(92 posts)
54. Thanks for the direct link to the text of the decision.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jun 2015

Very interesting to read the actual wording of the decision.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
112. I'd pay for the drinks but I don't believe in encouraging losers.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jun 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

 

passnobuck

(92 posts)
64. The "meat" of the decision is on page 24...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jun 2015

A "cliff notes version of the rationale for upholding the law

"The whole point of that provision is to
create a federal fallback in case a State chooses not to
establish its own Exchange. Contrary to petitioners’
argument, Congress did not believe it was offering States
a deal they would not refuse—it expressly addressed what
would happen if a State did refuse the deal.
C
Finally, the structure of Section 36B itself suggests that
tax credits are not limited to State Exchanges. Section
36B(a) initially provides that tax credits “shall be allowed”
for any “applicable taxpayer.”

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
75. Under the ACA?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:18 AM
Jun 2015

Most likely never, despite the rosy-glasses scenarios proposed by some wishful thinkers.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
83. Canadians have told me it took 20 years of fighting after passing an ACA-type law.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

The problem here is the need for instant gratification and sweeping change that the Canadians didn't get right away.

The forces fighting not just single payer but any kind of tax funded insurance will never give up. It's a sustained, life-long battle that requires sticking to it between presidencies at the state level. The ACA encouraged states to set up their own single payer systems wit some subsidies, but I think only CA has succeeded. They always had expansive programs in place for decades, AFAIK.

Example of the attacks on what people in the UK tell me is their 'beloved old NIH' are now giving them problems, despite years of acceptance of single payer. But then, they seem more united as far their ideas of citizenship than we are here. Too many regard their fellows as illegitimate and not deserving of tax dollars, when in the long run it benefits all.

The same forces are at work all over and weakening civil society and starved government takes its toll on established systems. It takes citizen involvement at the state level, year round to set good policy and change things. We're so media driven in this country, we expect to get what we want every four years from Washington. It's the states that do it.

This ruling, AFAIK, doesn't force the red states that insist upon their right to give the bird finger to their indigent citizens in lieu of setting up exchanges or taking Medicaid at all into account. It is, like most a blow against those who fight healthcare for all. The death toll from red state nihilism:



That's a projection from over a year ago but Isome of the states may have given in but some have not and I don't know if this will change that or not. But it helps establish the principle in law that may used to argue in the states, where the real problem for single payer or any tax funded care is.

YMMV.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
69. Well done, Ginsburg, Bryer, Sotomayor, and Kagen. And thanks, Chief and Kennedy, too)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jun 2015

This result pleases me.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
70. well
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jun 2015

at least one victory for struggling americans this week. POTUS, bankers, corporatists taketh away, SCOTUS giveth...go figure

SpankMe

(2,937 posts)
73. Hell is freezing over.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jun 2015

John Roberts said this in his ruling (per NYT):

“In this instance, the context and structure of the act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase.”

Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them. If at all possible, we must interpret the act in a way that is consistent with the former, and avoids the latter.”


When a guy like Roberts starts making sense like this, there is definitely something amiss in the fabric of the space-time continuum.

dangin

(148 posts)
74. I'm part of the one percent...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jun 2015

Only because we have an MD in the family and a lot of post graduate degrees all around. I applaud this decision, because I'm a liberal who wants to pay more in taxes, and I have a 15-year-old daughter with ovarian teratoma, who would never get coverage again without the ACA because of a "pre-existing condition". It is great to know my daughter will have health insurance.

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
91. Me too, dangin
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jun 2015

I have an 18 year old daughter who has had Type 1 diabetes since she was 6. I spent years worrying about what would happen to her when she had to go off of my insurance. It's been pretty easy for me to convince her that politics and voting do have a direct impact on our lives. She registered to vote the day she turned 18.

Fritz Walter

(4,281 posts)
76. We all win!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:18 AM
Jun 2015

OK, with the possible exception of three so-called justices.

http://a1.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/y48x25vfnjdeblkv3ty6.jpg

From this photo of Scalia, it appears he's getting ready to give the other two dissenters -- Alito and Thomas -- their prostate exams, or his own version of "interpretive jiggery-pokery."



tuhaybey

(76 posts)
77. Bark worse than bite
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

What the ACA does, at its core, is take healthcare policies that the liberal states have had for years and roll them out nation-wide. You can see how dramatically lifespans in the states that have those policies differ from the lifespans in states that do not- http://politicsthatwork.com/graphs/life-expectancy-by-state

That's hundreds of thousands of lives being lost prematurely in red states. As easy as it is for Republican politicians to lay out ideological rants against the ACA in campaign ads, it is a very different thing to actually pull the trigger on that many lives. To their credit, Kennedy and Roberts are not THAT far gone. Even the Republican politicians who have always ranted about how much they hate the ACA were already talking about how to extend it if the Supreme Court actually struck the subsidies... They like talking about repealing the ACA a lot more than they would actually like doing that to so many people.

Javaman

(62,439 posts)
80. Thank goodness!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jun 2015

I have a close friend going in for, basically, life saving surgery in 3 days. she is only able to do this because of ACA.

if they ruled against it, it would have been a death sentence for my friend.

Sometimes the good guys win.

calimary

(80,699 posts)
93. Saints be PRAISED!!!!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jun 2015

Hey Senator Pinckney - now that you live Upstairs, did you have a hand in that, by any chance?

Whoever needs thanking - I am GRATEFUL!!!!

I don't know what's made me happier. The fact that this hands yet another defeat to the bad guys (the selfish, greedy, uncompassionate, non-caring, Party-of-Cain types), OR if it's just the mere fact that SCOTUS did this and MILLIONS of Americans will get some HELP! MILLIONS more Americans will get the help they need - FINALLY to be able to afford health insurance, even just FINALLY to be able to afford to go see a doctor! I CANNOT believe it. I'm SO thrilled!!!!

mvd

(65,148 posts)
96. Wonderful!!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jun 2015

I was doing a dance and I don't even use a plan from the exchanges!

I thought at the time we should have fought Alito more. Wouldn't get anyone better than Roberts, but Alito had an odious record..

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
111. How sad. Some whiners get to keep their health care now.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO???
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
99. I'm guessing this takes the "you must vote for Hillary because of SCOTUS" meme
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jun 2015

out of play.

BTW, if you really thought this court would cut the insurance industry off from your tax dollars, you are desperately in need of deprogramming.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
101. Fux News was exploding this morning
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jun 2015

I watched without audio at the gym, and the news anchors looked almost rabid.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
106. Together, let's celebrate Obama's better legacy today
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jun 2015

I still think we should move to a complete public healthcare system, but ACA is a big step in the right direction and an adverse decision in v. Burwell would have bee a big step backwards.

The court ruling is a victory for Americans.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
109. Okay, this is very good for the people
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

who depend on it, and I am happy for them.

Just don't think that deep down the repugs are
upset about this. They did not and do not have
a viable plan to replace it, and now they can gripe and
moan about it for the election cycle. They will use it
in 2 ways: Need to elect their senatorial candidates,
2) Need for a WH success to replace Ginsberg etc.

Thus the repugs also got what they secretly hoped for.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
110. I am actually shocked that Roberts made the decision because he could have just let
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jun 2015

Kennedy be the swing vote for a majority ruling.
Scalia and Thomas didnt surprise me in the least and I believe Scalia especially should step down especially since he has been saying things like if gay couples are allowed to have equal rights that it could force churches to perform the ceremonies which is complete BS.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
136. Looks like I spoke to soon about Roberts, he just proved how much of a douchebag
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jun 2015

he is with his dissent over gay couples wanting equal rights under the Constitution.

Princess Turandot

(4,784 posts)
124. Actually, Roberts *was* the swing vote in the 2012 case...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015

which upheld the constitutionality of the mandate itself, 5-4. He did so using a theory that no one had put forth in their briefs/arguments, as if he was determined to keep the law in place. Kennedy voted against the ACA in 2012.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
113. Scalia would dissent if the ruling was against slavery.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jun 2015

He is the worst excuse for a Supreme Court justice ever.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
115. So can the GOP
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jun 2015

finally give up this witch hunt and move on to other things since there's a larger margin of defeat for them this time, or will we still be taking about yet another O-care ruling in 2018?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
118. Now We Need To Really Lower the Obscene Costs
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

This helps in some areas for some people and that's a good thing. But when supporters crow that it has "lessened the rate of price increases" I'm not sure that's something to brag about. Better than nothing I guess but prices were way too high to begin with.

For profit health care is just plain wrong - and it's a bad example of "American Exceptionalism" because among non tinhorn nations it's just us. What on earth does an insurance CEO making 8 million a year do for health care delivery? - it means higher deductibles and care options denied.

Growing up my family was not wealthy at all, my dad had major back surgery when he was 31 or so and it was no big deal. But then insurance companies were a few office workers and a boss or two making maybe 2 times more.

Then came HMOs and it all gradually went south - except for the fat cat executives.



Cha

(295,914 posts)
121. HAHA! YES! President Barack Obama's message to the GOP on #ObamaCare's 6-3 SCOTUS win.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jun 2015


LOLGOP ?@LOLGOP
So heartwarming to see Republicans consoling themselves over the bad news that thousands of people won't go bankrupt if they get sick.
5:09 AM - 25 Jun 2015
258 258 Retweets 259 259 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/25/yes-3/

mahalo Don!

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
126. Yeah, they are all teary-eyed that thousands of people
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:12 AM
Jun 2015

won't just get sick and die. Roflmao. I'll pee on their graves, those cold-hearted jerks.

Cha

(295,914 posts)
127. "It's SCOTUSCARE"!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jun 2015
LMAO!

"The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that President Obama’s health care law may provide nationwide tax subsidies to help poor and middle-class people buy health insurance."

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
130. LOL, Yeah! It totally cracks me up.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:27 AM
Jun 2015

Anyone who can't see the tremendous strides we've made in this country toward lowering costs and providing much more access to quality care thanks to the Obama Administration is living in some world of which I want no part, Cha!

Cha

(295,914 posts)
131. Thank Goodness I'm not apart of their world. the ODS
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:04 AM
Jun 2015

sends them off the deep end, lovemydog.

Today Is A Good Day For America




President Obama
✔ ?@POTUS
Today's decision is a victory for every hardworking American. Access to quality, affordable health care is a right, not a privilege.
6:03 AM - 25 Jun 2015
9,437 9,437 Retweets 16,560 16,560 favorites

President Obama
✔ ?@POTUS
More than 16 million Americans have gained health coverage after 5 years of the Affordable Care Act.
6:14 AM - 25 Jun 2015
2,550 2,550 Retweets 5,805 5,805 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/25/today-is-a-good-day-for-america/

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
132. Absolutely.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:08 AM
Jun 2015

Best day of the year for our country! So many thanks to the Obama Administration and to all the people who worked so hard for this. My sister had a pre-existing condition and couldn't get coverage. She is now covered, for very little cost. Now she knows that she and we won't go bankrupt. That's a huge relief for all of us, both emotionally and financially. Millions of others too.

Cha

(295,914 posts)
133. I love personal anecdotes.. mahalo, lovemydog.. so happy for your sis and everyone with
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:13 AM
Jun 2015

pre-existing conditions who now have coverage.. thanks to Obamacare!



savalez

(3,517 posts)
122. Take that John Yoo!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015
2012: John Yoo, who was a prominent lawyer in President George W. Bush’s Justice Department, wrote in National Review that the new case gives Roberts “the chance to atone for his error in upholding Obamacare.”


Reading back on all the bullshit Yoo and the other clowns said was going to happen is funny.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
125. Best domestic news story of the year!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:11 AM
Jun 2015

Hooray!

This is great for all Americans.

It's funny how the democrats and especially progressives accomplish things that are good for 99% and the republicans oppose them. Then a few years later the republicans like them too. Then progressives propose other things that are even better - like universal healthcare. And there will republicans who oppose them. We've really got to raise capital gains tax rates as well. We can have much less wealth inequality if we double capital gains taxes (or my dream, tax capital gains as ordinary income and raise taxes on the top 2% and reduce them for everyone else.)

Ah well, I digress. Wonderful news!!!!!

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