Hillary: We must defend ObamaCare
Source: the hill.com
By Sarah Ferris - 06/29/15 12:06 PM EDT
Democratic 2016 front-runner Hillary Clinton released a campaign video Monday trumpeting the benefits of ObamaCare just days after the law secured a major victory in the Supreme Court.
Weve got to defend the Affordable Care Act, Clinton says in the minute-long video, which was taped at a campaign event in New Hampshire.
Its her first healthcare-focused ad of the 2016 election cycle and comes in the wake of the courts decision to uphold the laws healthcare subsidies in King v. Burwell.
Following that ruling, the crowded field of Republican candidates has doubled down on their pledge to repeal ObamaCare, making it more likely that healthcare will be a defining issue in the 2016 elections.
The video features an emotional exchange between Clinton and a high school student named Meghan Richardson, who suffers from a chronic lung condition called cystic fibrosis, a condition that previously would have made it difficult to receive health insurance....
Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/246434-hillary-we-must-defend-obamacare
the ad is called The Pledge
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riversedge
(70,186 posts)not thought of that till you posted. Anyone know? Obama is a Federal employee --technically isn't he??
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)No one 'signs up for Obamacare."
They sign up for plans on state-exchanges, IF THEY DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE THROUGH THEIR EMPLOYER.
The wingnuts think they're pretty clever by portraying it as saying that the ACA sucks if it isn't as good as employer-subsidized plans, rather than comparing it to . . . not having insurance at all.
it's a trollish comment.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)I really did not think it was nice.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)blm
(113,041 posts).
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Beauregard
(376 posts)Now no one needs to refute it. Easier that way, isn't it? That way we can sit back with pleasantly unfocused minds and not have to justify our views, even to ourselves.
Hekate
(90,641 posts)...."suppressed," as you put it. What's to refute, with that kind of trash? Did you wish to add something to our pleasantly unfocused minds?
Beauregard
(376 posts)Isn't that much better than refuting it? The answer is yes, because it actually answers the smear and puts an end to it, while suppressing it and leaving it unanswered does not.
This is called the collision of truth with error, which is a much better policy than censorship.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The jury hide was the appropriate response to such crap.
We are not here to debate the merits of wingnuttia.
Cha
(297,124 posts)Beauregard
(376 posts)To do satsang for Dems and 2 Minutes Hate for "Rethugs"? And the point of that is...?
Beauregard
(376 posts)No rational discussion of our fundamental beliefs, just cheering our team and booing at the other guys. And what exactly is the point of that? How exactly does that help the Party?
Cha
(297,124 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Better known as Medicare.
KinMd
(966 posts)Hekate
(90,641 posts)It's a bogus issue, and as someone pointed out, a RW one. The Office of President comes with medical care built in, the best available, which is only right, considering the importance of the job.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton (born October 26, 1947) is an American politician.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
People born before 1950 are eligible for Medicare -- in general. There are exceptions, but she probably is eligible. Can't see any reason why she would not be.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)I know many folks who double down and have two plans (well I know many many who can not afford to do that also).
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)one is no longer qualified for the plans under the ACA.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)She probably doesn't bother with Medigap insurance, and just self-pays anything not covered that she needs.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I think it's time Democrats started playing to win, rather than not to lose.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)In late 2013, I was consulting with docs about a new, chronic condition before the ACA went into effect, when I was on private individual insurance. The insurance co. notified me 10 days ahead that it would cut me off that month (Dec), a month before my contract was to end. I was soon diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. If it hadn't been for the ACA going into effect in Jan. 2014, I would have had NO insurance---but I got ACA insurance thanks to Pres. O and the Dems---thank you,, all! I needed and had a big operation that Jan.; this + the consultations and followup in Feb. cost me $16K out of pocket for approved treatments/doctors---just for two months. Not complaining since my life was saved, but that kind of payout is not sustainable month after month for most people, including me.
I was recently looking at a new job possibility that did not include health insurance but would have caused the elimination of the insurance subsidy I now have, since I would have made more $ with the new job. All the extra money I would make would have gone to subsidy-less insurance, and perhaps more. I now have the subsidy, so I stayed put.
The ACA could be a LOT better. Bottom line is people like me may not take jobs that pay more, in favor of lower paying jobs or living the low life on Soc. Security in order to get ACA subsidies. The no-subsidy plans are hugely expensive. You need to weigh the higher health care expense vs. the higher income and run the numbers.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Making health care affordable is the other. $16K out-of-pocket is offensive.
We shouldn't allow the health care industry to make obscene profits from sick people.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)enroll in Obamacare. Will try to find and article.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)A House Republican on Thursday proposed forcing the Supreme Court justices and their staff to enroll in ObamaCare.
Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas) said that his SCOTUScare Act would make all nine justices and their employees join the national healthcare laws exchanges.
As the Supreme Court continues to ignore the letter of the law, its important that these six individuals understand the full impact of their decisions on the American people, he said.
Thats why I introduced the SCOTUScare Act to require the Supreme Court and all of its employees to sign up for ObamaCare, Babin said.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)riversedge
(70,186 posts)# 10. the repug sure seems to think so.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)well, they just might like it.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/246204-gop-bill-would-force-supreme-court-to-enroll-in-obamacare
June 25, 2015, 05:12 pm
House bill would force the Supreme Court to enroll in ObamaCare
By Mark Hensch
......
Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas) said that his SCOTUScare Act would make all nine justices and their employees join the national healthcare laws exchanges.
As the Supreme Court continues to ignore the letter of the law, its important that these six individuals understand the full impact of their decisions on the American people, he said.
Thats why I introduced the SCOTUScare Act to require the Supreme Court and all of its employees to sign up for ObamaCare, Babin said.
Babins potential legislation would only let the federal government provide healthcare to the Supreme Court and its staff via ObamaCare exchanges.
By eliminating their exemption from ObamaCare, they will see firsthand what the American people are forced to live with, he added.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Obamacare is the beginning. Now, we have to give her or whoever Democrat is elected, a Congress to take us further.
Last year she promised to expand and build on it. 'It takes a village...' is where she's going, and the rightwingers hate her for that and promoting women, immigrant and gay rights.
They indoctrinated a generation to hate her without knowing her really, but they know exactly where she stands and hate her with a vengeance they want others to feel, too.
Cha
(297,124 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)One of the reasons that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is surging in the polls and beginning to receive the national press attention he deserves is that he has brought ideas of substance to the campaign. As CNN has recently reported, the latest Sanders initiative is that he is pushing a Medicare-for-all healthcare program, similar to programs in most developed democratic nations (often referred to as "single payer" .
It is fitting and right that while progressives celebrate the Supreme Court decision upholding ObamaCare, Sanders believes that is not nearly enough. He is absolutely right. While ObamaCare improved healthcare for millions of Americans, a Medicare-for-all program would improve healthcare for tens of millions, perhaps even hundreds of millions, of Americans.
Many in the media and politics forget that, when healthcare was before Congress, a large majority of voters supported the public option in polls. Much of the public concern about ObamaCare was not that it went too far, but that it did not go far enough. Sanders wants to go further. There is polling from earlier this year that found that a majority of voters supports single-payer healthcare, which puts Sanders on very solid ground politically.
more at link
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Not just the former of these when you don't get rid of the parasites that continue to steal more money out of the system.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Link is in this OP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128019871
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Yes supporting the ACA is good, but pushing forward to single payer is better. Thanks Bernie!
candelista
(1,986 posts)Obamacare is a close relative of Hillarycare (as well as Romneycare).
Cosmocat
(14,562 posts)Bill and Hill tried valiantly to get a universal system set up, got beat up to hell over it over 20 years ago.
And BHO would have GLADLY signed a universal system if congress would have put the bill on his desk.
I like that Bernie out and out calls for it, and I know he genuinely believes in it and would do all that he can to get it, but sorry, it is just talk.
He would have signed "Berniecare" just the same as what "obamacare" was 5 years ago because it was the best that you were going to get out of the worthless ass congress we have, and if he is POTUS from 2017 to 2023 we aren't going to see any different, because he will be saddled by the same worthless ass congress.
candelista
(1,986 posts)"A universal system" is not single payer/medicare for all. That was NEVER part of Hillary's plan.
Cosmocat
(14,562 posts)that you don't want to hear them do not make them "misleading" much less "extremely misleading."
Bill and Hillary tried to set up a system that would cover everyone, hence, universal.
But, that is part of the larger point.
In order of effectiveness lesser to more:
Our prior for shit system
What we have now - a mutated forced insurer system
A more advanced form of what we have now univerally
a single payer system
Bill and Hill TRIED to move the football two yards, BHO got it moved one yard.
Both were hindered by a completely worthless congress.
Again, Bernie is great for coming out, balls out, no ifs ands or buts for single payer.
But, the snipe at Hillary is bullshit. She put blood on the floor trying to get us in a better spot, and the snipe at Obama care is bullshit because BHO DID get a step further ahead.
Not near good enough, but they tried/did get us a little farther ahead.
I don't fault Bernie for championing it, but the shots at Hill and BHO are bullshit.
And, Bernie isn't going to magically get it if he wins the presidency unless this country wakes up in a big fucking way in the next 6 years or so and were to give him about 75 democratic senators and 300 democratic congressmen.
candelista
(1,986 posts)And "Berniecare" with Hillarycare. Bernie wants medicare/single payer for all. Hillary never tried to achieve that. Never. Her plan was always to include the big insurance companies, like Aetna and New York Life, which have contributed handsomely to the Clintons.
Cosmocat
(14,562 posts)I properly used univeral and you oblviously are not getting the "berniecare" statement.
Had bernie been president instead of bho, the sames exact health care would have been passed and just as republicans and clueless people on the left mockingly refer to it as obamacare, would cluelessly refer to it as berniecare.
Points stand, while bernie is doing the right thing championing single payer, it is all talk.
Hill put blood on the ground trying to get this country to a better place w it, and bho put blood on the ground dragging this country one small step ahead.
I know you wont get it, but if you think bernie is magically getting this country single payer if he wins the white house wout 75 democratic senators and 300 democratic congressman you are living in a fantasy world.
Hekate
(90,641 posts)candelista
(1,986 posts)You're entitled to it, even though you can't give a reason for it.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)He has a benefit of his position of Senator. He can bring bills, he has brought up many bills.
Senator Sanders could make 'single payer' an issue now, work with President O, to write the bill, rally 'the people' and his campaign. Perhaps have it done this year. Make single payer a big issue with our current Senate and Congress.
Non-profit-medicare for all? with some paying premiums-on a bell curve by age. They can even add groups slowly over time to "medicare for all healthcare". Start first to cover the people who get the most federal subsidy money and/or the age 50 and above group.
Mrs. Clinton could do this also but she's not in the position to write any policy or bills to propose.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)that switching to single payer will involve many smaller steps, so it doesn't cause too much disruption in our current economy/job situation. I think it will not happen in one Presidential term, but perhaps two. And that is with congress cooperating with the administration. Without cooperation it could take a lot longer. If it were available as an option now, so people could switch to it when they wanted to or needed to (as businesses gradually phased out health care as a benefit), it might happen gradually enough. It needs to replace the high deduction plans of current ACA accounts for most people, and be available to those who still have no insurance, which is still way too many.
If we keep electing Republicans to the white house (or centrists) it will most likely never happen.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Why bother when you KNOW such a bill won't pass with the worthless repuke Congress?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)vote for a "Pledging R" and cut their own and their insured families throats.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)on the Obamacare exchanges. saw a PPP poll yesterday from Kentucky.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)lunacy. some people are very easy to confuse
People have to register to be on the exchanges. Provide their official income and personal information.
Cosmocat
(14,562 posts)they will just blame it on Obama ...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)They didn't know how it "worked" before ACA and they don't understand how it works now. I know people who were left out high and dry pre-ACA due to it being impossible for them to get affordable insurance before, yet despite this they still oppose ACA even though they could someday be back in the same boat they were before. It's ignorance mixed with pure politics that fuels these attacks on ACA. If a republican pushed the ideas of the ACA then many of its most vocal opponents would be all for it, and so would the "sheeple" who just parrot everything they hear without understanding anything. Sadly it seems to make it even more difficult to refine the ACA to make it better.
It's frustrating because it's obvious that they are not interested in improving the healthcare system, but rather in scoring political points at the expense of people's health.
Hekate
(90,641 posts)Beauregard
(376 posts)Her version didn't get passed. Obama's version succeeded.
Hekate
(90,641 posts)....the vile white hot lying hatred of the GOP that she would dare to approach them in the U.S. Congress bearing plans that she and her husband had worked on together? Plans that would bring health care to all citizens? Any recollection of the things they said about her then?
I figure she must feel pretty damn good that we got Obamacare 20 damn years later.
Gloria
(17,663 posts)There are people here who have no sense of history...what the political tenor was at the time.
Hillary's effort was HEROIC...and, even "don't ask, don't tell" was radical at the time...
At least we got portability at the time and some child leave time...
People should study a bit more on what Hillary Clinton has done in her life and not dismiss her out of hand...
It's amazing she still has any fight left in her...
Beauregard
(376 posts)I've got to remember that one! Pure genius. (I skipped the rest.)
Cha
(297,124 posts)Gothmog
(145,119 posts)Cha
(297,124 posts)Cha
(297,124 posts)saying.. "We must defend ObamaCare"
Didn't see that in the 2014 Election.. were some actually running from it?!
Thank you, Hillary.. "The video features an emotional exchange between Clinton and a high school student named Meghan Richardson, who suffers from a chronic lung condition called cystic fibrosis, a condition that previously would have made it difficult to receive insurance....
No child, no adult, should go without quality, affordable healthcare. My pledge, as it has been for 25 years, is I will do anything I can to make that promise, she says to a small crowd of supporters, including Meghan."
mahalo riversedge~