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riversedge

(70,186 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:35 PM Jun 2015

Hillary: We must defend ObamaCare

Source: the hill.com






By Sarah Ferris - 06/29/15 12:06 PM EDT

Democratic 2016 front-runner Hillary Clinton released a campaign video Monday trumpeting the benefits of ObamaCare just days after the law secured a major victory in the Supreme Court.

“We’ve got to defend the Affordable Care Act,” Clinton says in the minute-long video, which was taped at a campaign event in New Hampshire.

It’s her first healthcare-focused ad of the 2016 election cycle and comes in the wake of the court’s decision to uphold the law’s healthcare subsidies in King v. Burwell.

Following that ruling, the crowded field of Republican candidates has doubled down on their pledge to repeal ObamaCare, making it more likely that healthcare will be a defining issue in the 2016 elections.

The video features an emotional exchange between Clinton and a high school student named Meghan Richardson, who suffers from a chronic lung condition called cystic fibrosis, a condition that previously would have made it difficult to receive health insurance....

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/246434-hillary-we-must-defend-obamacare



the ad is called The Pledge
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Hillary: We must defend ObamaCare (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2015 OP
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #1
As President would she have to?? I have riversedge Jun 2015 #3
It's a rightwing talking point. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #9
thanks for the post. riversedge Jun 2015 #13
It's also really dumb since Hillary is eligible for Medicare. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #15
Gee - yet another RW talking point from this poster. How long is this game to continue? blm Jun 2015 #28
as long as they get away with it I guess nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #30
Well, it got suppressed. Beauregard Jul 2015 #54
Are you sure you're in the right place? It was purveying RW talking points that got the post .... Hekate Jul 2015 #56
The post got refuted later in the thread, by citing Hillary's medicare eligibility Beauregard Jul 2015 #58
It was lazy, dishonest trolling using a brain dead rightwing talking point. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #59
"We are not here to debate the merits of wingnuttia." Yeah, dear gods.. spare us from that! Cha Jul 2015 #64
What are we here for? Beauregard Jul 2015 #70
That kind of hysterical verbiage is exactly what keeps DU dumb. Beauregard Jul 2015 #71
Yeah, what's up with posting that?.. I've seen it before.. not the first time. Cha Jul 2015 #61
As a senior citizen she gets LBJcare bluestateguy Jun 2015 #21
So is Bernie KinMd Jun 2015 #23
Presidents have medical care at Bethesda Naval, I believe, regardless of age. Hekate Jun 2015 #41
She is over 65 and eligible for Medicare, so why should she? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #7
umm.so she is. But then again riversedge Jun 2015 #14
Once Medicare eligible (age 65) Control-Z Jun 2015 #20
Medigap insurance isn't on the exchanges..... Adrahil Jun 2015 #27
Go Hillary!!!! n/t cosmicone Jun 2015 #2
I'd prefer stronger language in favor of improving and expanding the ACA. Maedhros Jun 2015 #4
+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #24
I agree - my story about ACA wordpix Jul 2015 #47
Coverage is just part of the equation. Maedhros Jul 2015 #48
umm. just heard that a new House bill would mandate that the SC justices riversedge Jun 2015 #5
here: a Republican bill of course OKNancy Jun 2015 #6
you are quick--i just posted it as # 10 riversedge Jun 2015 #11
Do they think that is some kind of a negative? nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #8
see below-- riversedge Jun 2015 #12
Here it is: House bill would force the Supreme Court to enroll in ObamaCare riversedge Jun 2015 #10
She will, since she was there with Obama, waiting with him when it was passed! freshwest Jun 2015 #16
Great pic, fresh! I was going to post that myself.. thank you! Cha Jul 2015 #63
YW! 'The joy of the work is the work itself.' n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #65
Sanders calls for single-payer healthcare L0oniX Jun 2015 #17
yep, solves both the access and cost problems... cascadiance Jun 2015 #19
+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #25
Bernie asks that you add your (first) name to his internet petition. merrily Jul 2015 #51
I'd much rather see support for single payer passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #18
You won't get that from Hillary candelista Jun 2015 #26
come on Cosmocat Jun 2015 #32
Your comments are extremely misleading. candelista Jun 2015 #37
My statements were 100 percent accurate Cosmocat Jun 2015 #38
No, you conflated universal care with single-payer. candelista Jul 2015 #43
I didnt "conflate" shit Cosmocat Jul 2015 #45
Your comments are the ones that are misleading Hekate Jun 2015 #42
Thanks for your opinion. :) candelista Jul 2015 #44
good point about the "worthless ass congress we have" wordpix Jul 2015 #49
I wish Senator Sanders would work on single payer today, now. Not years from now. Sunlei Jun 2015 #36
I personally believe passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #39
consider the worthless ass Congress wordpix Jul 2015 #50
because Sen. Sanders is in the position to create bills to present to Congress. Sunlei Jul 2015 #69
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2015 #22
republican who now have insurance, when before they had nothing- better think hard before they Sunlei Jun 2015 #29
Many still do not know they are actually riversedge Jun 2015 #31
media polls are all messed up so republicans can use results for their wonkie 'get rid of obamacare' Sunlei Jun 2015 #34
They don't care Cosmocat Jun 2015 #33
President Obama will let it slide off his Superhero shoulders. Sunlei Jun 2015 #35
I'm finding that people are incredibly ignorant of our healthcare system PersonNumber503602 Jul 2015 #46
Go, Hillary. Remember how hard she worked on this issue in the '90s? This must feel so good. nt Hekate Jun 2015 #40
Why would it "feel good"? Beauregard Jul 2015 #53
Any clue as to why that was? Were you sentient at the time? Do you recall the hatred of the GOP Hekate Jul 2015 #55
Hekate, spot on... Gloria Jul 2015 #57
"Were you sentient at the time?" -- That's a good one! :) Beauregard Jul 2015 #60
Because she wanted it for the People. Cha Jul 2015 #62
The GOP will never stop trying to repeal this law Gothmog Jul 2015 #52
Never! Their last gasp.. "REPEAL OBAMACARE.. I MEAN ACA.. WHY DID WE EVER CALL IT OBAMACARE!" Cha Jul 2015 #66
Obamacare Saves Lives.. we've seen the testimonials right here on DU. Finally someone is Cha Jul 2015 #67
I should. Hope so dembotoz Jul 2015 #68

Response to riversedge (Original post)

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
3. As President would she have to?? I have
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jun 2015

not thought of that till you posted. Anyone know? Obama is a Federal employee --technically isn't he??

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. It's a rightwing talking point.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jun 2015

No one 'signs up for Obamacare."

They sign up for plans on state-exchanges, IF THEY DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE THROUGH THEIR EMPLOYER.

The wingnuts think they're pretty clever by portraying it as saying that the ACA sucks if it isn't as good as employer-subsidized plans, rather than comparing it to . . . not having insurance at all.

it's a trollish comment.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
54. Well, it got suppressed.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jul 2015

Now no one needs to refute it. Easier that way, isn't it? That way we can sit back with pleasantly unfocused minds and not have to justify our views, even to ourselves.

Hekate

(90,641 posts)
56. Are you sure you're in the right place? It was purveying RW talking points that got the post ....
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jul 2015

...."suppressed," as you put it. What's to refute, with that kind of trash? Did you wish to add something to our pleasantly unfocused minds?

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
58. The post got refuted later in the thread, by citing Hillary's medicare eligibility
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 01:55 AM
Jul 2015

Isn't that much better than refuting it? The answer is yes, because it actually answers the smear and puts an end to it, while suppressing it and leaving it unanswered does not.

This is called the collision of truth with error, which is a much better policy than censorship.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
59. It was lazy, dishonest trolling using a brain dead rightwing talking point.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 01:56 AM
Jul 2015

The jury hide was the appropriate response to such crap.

We are not here to debate the merits of wingnuttia.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
70. What are we here for?
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jul 2015

To do satsang for Dems and 2 Minutes Hate for "Rethugs"? And the point of that is...?

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
71. That kind of hysterical verbiage is exactly what keeps DU dumb.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jul 2015

No rational discussion of our fundamental beliefs, just cheering our team and booing at the other guys. And what exactly is the point of that? How exactly does that help the Party?

Hekate

(90,641 posts)
41. Presidents have medical care at Bethesda Naval, I believe, regardless of age.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jun 2015

It's a bogus issue, and as someone pointed out, a RW one. The Office of President comes with medical care built in, the best available, which is only right, considering the importance of the job.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. She is over 65 and eligible for Medicare, so why should she?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton (born October 26, 1947) is an American politician.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

People born before 1950 are eligible for Medicare -- in general. There are exceptions, but she probably is eligible. Can't see any reason why she would not be.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
14. umm.so she is. But then again
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

I know many folks who double down and have two plans (well I know many many who can not afford to do that also).

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
27. Medigap insurance isn't on the exchanges.....
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jun 2015

She probably doesn't bother with Medigap insurance, and just self-pays anything not covered that she needs.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
4. I'd prefer stronger language in favor of improving and expanding the ACA.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015

I think it's time Democrats started playing to win, rather than not to lose.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
47. I agree - my story about ACA
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jul 2015

In late 2013, I was consulting with docs about a new, chronic condition before the ACA went into effect, when I was on private individual insurance. The insurance co. notified me 10 days ahead that it would cut me off that month (Dec), a month before my contract was to end. I was soon diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. If it hadn't been for the ACA going into effect in Jan. 2014, I would have had NO insurance---but I got ACA insurance thanks to Pres. O and the Dems---thank you,, all! I needed and had a big operation that Jan.; this + the consultations and followup in Feb. cost me $16K out of pocket for approved treatments/doctors---just for two months. Not complaining since my life was saved, but that kind of payout is not sustainable month after month for most people, including me.

I was recently looking at a new job possibility that did not include health insurance but would have caused the elimination of the insurance subsidy I now have, since I would have made more $ with the new job. All the extra money I would make would have gone to subsidy-less insurance, and perhaps more. I now have the subsidy, so I stayed put.

The ACA could be a LOT better. Bottom line is people like me may not take jobs that pay more, in favor of lower paying jobs or living the low life on Soc. Security in order to get ACA subsidies. The no-subsidy plans are hugely expensive. You need to weigh the higher health care expense vs. the higher income and run the numbers.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
48. Coverage is just part of the equation.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jul 2015

Making health care affordable is the other. $16K out-of-pocket is offensive.

We shouldn't allow the health care industry to make obscene profits from sick people.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
5. umm. just heard that a new House bill would mandate that the SC justices
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jun 2015

enroll in Obamacare. Will try to find and article.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
6. here: a Republican bill of course
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jun 2015
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/246204-gop-bill-would-force-supreme-court-to-enroll-in-obamacare

A House Republican on Thursday proposed forcing the Supreme Court justices and their staff to enroll in ObamaCare.

Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas) said that his SCOTUScare Act would make all nine justices and their employees join the national healthcare law’s exchanges.

“As the Supreme Court continues to ignore the letter of the law, it’s important that these six individuals understand the full impact of their decisions on the American people,” he said.
“That’s why I introduced the SCOTUScare Act to require the Supreme Court and all of its employees to sign up for ObamaCare,” Babin said.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
10. Here it is: House bill would force the Supreme Court to enroll in ObamaCare
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jun 2015

well, they just might like it.


http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/246204-gop-bill-would-force-supreme-court-to-enroll-in-obamacare

June 25, 2015, 05:12 pm
House bill would force the Supreme Court to enroll in ObamaCare


By Mark Hensch


......

Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas) said that his SCOTUScare Act would make all nine justices and their employees join the national healthcare law’s exchanges.

“As the Supreme Court continues to ignore the letter of the law, it’s important that these six individuals understand the full impact of their decisions on the American people,” he said.

“That’s why I introduced the SCOTUScare Act to require the Supreme Court and all of its employees to sign up for ObamaCare,” Babin said.

Babin’s potential legislation would only let the federal government provide healthcare to the Supreme Court and its staff via ObamaCare exchanges.

“By eliminating their exemption from ObamaCare, they will see firsthand what the American people are forced to live with,” he added.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. She will, since she was there with Obama, waiting with him when it was passed!
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015


Obamacare is the beginning. Now, we have to give her or whoever Democrat is elected, a Congress to take us further.

Last year she promised to expand and build on it. 'It takes a village...' is where she's going, and the rightwingers hate her for that and promoting women, immigrant and gay rights.

They indoctrinated a generation to hate her without knowing her really, but they know exactly where she stands and hate her with a vengeance they want others to feel, too.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
17. Sanders calls for single-payer healthcare
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jun 2015
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/246459-sanders-calls-for-single-payer-healthcare



One of the reasons that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is surging in the polls and beginning to receive the national press attention he deserves is that he has brought ideas of substance to the campaign. As CNN has recently reported, the latest Sanders initiative is that he is pushing a Medicare-for-all healthcare program, similar to programs in most developed democratic nations (often referred to as "single payer&quot .

It is fitting — and right — that while progressives celebrate the Supreme Court decision upholding ObamaCare, Sanders believes that is not nearly enough. He is absolutely right. While ObamaCare improved healthcare for millions of Americans, a Medicare-for-all program would improve healthcare for tens of millions, perhaps even hundreds of millions, of Americans.

Many in the media and politics forget that, when healthcare was before Congress, a large majority of voters supported the public option in polls. Much of the public concern about ObamaCare was not that it went too far, but that it did not go far enough. Sanders wants to go further. There is polling from earlier this year that found that a majority of voters supports single-payer healthcare, which puts Sanders on very solid ground politically.

more at link
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
19. yep, solves both the access and cost problems...
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jun 2015

Not just the former of these when you don't get rid of the parasites that continue to steal more money out of the system.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
18. I'd much rather see support for single payer
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jun 2015

Yes supporting the ACA is good, but pushing forward to single payer is better. Thanks Bernie!

Cosmocat

(14,562 posts)
32. come on
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

Bill and Hill tried valiantly to get a universal system set up, got beat up to hell over it over 20 years ago.

And BHO would have GLADLY signed a universal system if congress would have put the bill on his desk.

I like that Bernie out and out calls for it, and I know he genuinely believes in it and would do all that he can to get it, but sorry, it is just talk.

He would have signed "Berniecare" just the same as what "obamacare" was 5 years ago because it was the best that you were going to get out of the worthless ass congress we have, and if he is POTUS from 2017 to 2023 we aren't going to see any different, because he will be saddled by the same worthless ass congress.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
37. Your comments are extremely misleading.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jun 2015

"A universal system" is not single payer/medicare for all. That was NEVER part of Hillary's plan.

Cosmocat

(14,562 posts)
38. My statements were 100 percent accurate
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jun 2015

that you don't want to hear them do not make them "misleading" much less "extremely misleading."

Bill and Hillary tried to set up a system that would cover everyone, hence, universal.

But, that is part of the larger point.

In order of effectiveness lesser to more:

Our prior for shit system
What we have now - a mutated forced insurer system
A more advanced form of what we have now univerally
a single payer system

Bill and Hill TRIED to move the football two yards, BHO got it moved one yard.

Both were hindered by a completely worthless congress.

Again, Bernie is great for coming out, balls out, no ifs ands or buts for single payer.

But, the snipe at Hillary is bullshit. She put blood on the floor trying to get us in a better spot, and the snipe at Obama care is bullshit because BHO DID get a step further ahead.

Not near good enough, but they tried/did get us a little farther ahead.

I don't fault Bernie for championing it, but the shots at Hill and BHO are bullshit.

And, Bernie isn't going to magically get it if he wins the presidency unless this country wakes up in a big fucking way in the next 6 years or so and were to give him about 75 democratic senators and 300 democratic congressmen.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
43. No, you conflated universal care with single-payer.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

And "Berniecare" with Hillarycare. Bernie wants medicare/single payer for all. Hillary never tried to achieve that. Never. Her plan was always to include the big insurance companies, like Aetna and New York Life, which have contributed handsomely to the Clintons.

Cosmocat

(14,562 posts)
45. I didnt "conflate" shit
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:40 AM
Jul 2015

I properly used univeral and you oblviously are not getting the "berniecare" statement.

Had bernie been president instead of bho, the sames exact health care would have been passed and just as republicans and clueless people on the left mockingly refer to it as obamacare, would cluelessly refer to it as berniecare.

Points stand, while bernie is doing the right thing championing single payer, it is all talk.

Hill put blood on the ground trying to get this country to a better place w it, and bho put blood on the ground dragging this country one small step ahead.

I know you wont get it, but if you think bernie is magically getting this country single payer if he wins the white house wout 75 democratic senators and 300 democratic congressman you are living in a fantasy world.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
36. I wish Senator Sanders would work on single payer today, now. Not years from now.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jun 2015

He has a benefit of his position of Senator. He can bring bills, he has brought up many bills.

Senator Sanders could make 'single payer' an issue now, work with President O, to write the bill, rally 'the people' and his campaign. Perhaps have it done this year. Make single payer a big issue with our current Senate and Congress.

Non-profit-medicare for all? with some paying premiums-on a bell curve by age. They can even add groups slowly over time to "medicare for all healthcare". Start first to cover the people who get the most federal subsidy money and/or the age 50 and above group.

Mrs. Clinton could do this also but she's not in the position to write any policy or bills to propose.





passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
39. I personally believe
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jun 2015

that switching to single payer will involve many smaller steps, so it doesn't cause too much disruption in our current economy/job situation. I think it will not happen in one Presidential term, but perhaps two. And that is with congress cooperating with the administration. Without cooperation it could take a lot longer. If it were available as an option now, so people could switch to it when they wanted to or needed to (as businesses gradually phased out health care as a benefit), it might happen gradually enough. It needs to replace the high deduction plans of current ACA accounts for most people, and be available to those who still have no insurance, which is still way too many.

If we keep electing Republicans to the white house (or centrists) it will most likely never happen.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
50. consider the worthless ass Congress
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jul 2015

Why bother when you KNOW such a bill won't pass with the worthless repuke Congress?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
29. republican who now have insurance, when before they had nothing- better think hard before they
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jun 2015

vote for a "Pledging R" and cut their own and their insured families throats.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
31. Many still do not know they are actually
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jun 2015

on the Obamacare exchanges. saw a PPP poll yesterday from Kentucky.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
34. media polls are all messed up so republicans can use results for their wonkie 'get rid of obamacare'
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

lunacy. some people are very easy to confuse

People have to register to be on the exchanges. Provide their official income and personal information.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
46. I'm finding that people are incredibly ignorant of our healthcare system
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jul 2015

They didn't know how it "worked" before ACA and they don't understand how it works now. I know people who were left out high and dry pre-ACA due to it being impossible for them to get affordable insurance before, yet despite this they still oppose ACA even though they could someday be back in the same boat they were before. It's ignorance mixed with pure politics that fuels these attacks on ACA. If a republican pushed the ideas of the ACA then many of its most vocal opponents would be all for it, and so would the "sheeple" who just parrot everything they hear without understanding anything. Sadly it seems to make it even more difficult to refine the ACA to make it better.

It's frustrating because it's obvious that they are not interested in improving the healthcare system, but rather in scoring political points at the expense of people's health.

Hekate

(90,641 posts)
55. Any clue as to why that was? Were you sentient at the time? Do you recall the hatred of the GOP
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jul 2015

....the vile white hot lying hatred of the GOP that she would dare to approach them in the U.S. Congress bearing plans that she and her husband had worked on together? Plans that would bring health care to all citizens? Any recollection of the things they said about her then?

I figure she must feel pretty damn good that we got Obamacare 20 damn years later.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
57. Hekate, spot on...
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 01:47 AM
Jul 2015

There are people here who have no sense of history...what the political tenor was at the time.

Hillary's effort was HEROIC...and, even "don't ask, don't tell" was radical at the time...
At least we got portability at the time and some child leave time...

People should study a bit more on what Hillary Clinton has done in her life and not dismiss her out of hand...
It's amazing she still has any fight left in her...

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
60. "Were you sentient at the time?" -- That's a good one! :)
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 01:58 AM
Jul 2015

I've got to remember that one! Pure genius. (I skipped the rest.)

Cha

(297,124 posts)
67. Obamacare Saves Lives.. we've seen the testimonials right here on DU. Finally someone is
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:26 AM
Jul 2015

saying.. "We must defend ObamaCare"

Didn't see that in the 2014 Election.. were some actually running from it?!

Thank you, Hillary.. "The video features an emotional exchange between Clinton and a high school student named Meghan Richardson, who suffers from a chronic lung condition called cystic fibrosis, a condition that previously would have made it difficult to receive insurance....

“No child, no adult, should go without quality, affordable healthcare. My pledge, as it has been for 25 years, is I will do anything I can to make that promise,” she says to a small crowd of supporters, including Meghan."


mahalo riversedge~

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