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alboe

(192 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:23 PM Jul 2015

Bernie Sanders sees poll surge after series of record-breaking appearances

Source: The Guardian

Bernie Sanders has more than halved the gap with Hillary Clinton in the early-voting state of Iowa, according to a new poll which shows the leftwing insurgent building on his recent record-breaking public appearances with growing support among key Democratic voters.

An estimated 10,000 supporters filled an arena in Madison, Wisconsin, on Wednesday night to hear the Vermont senator call for “revolution” in American politics as he challenges Clinton for the party’s nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

Sanders told the crowd: “Tonight we have made a little bit of history. Tonight we have more people at any meeting for a candidate of president of the United States than any other candidate.”

Though still seen as a long-shot candidate when compared with the former secretary of state and establishment favourite Clinton, the momentum behind Sanders’ uncompromising progressive message is also beginning to show in opinion polling.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/02/bernie-sanders-poll-surge-hillary-clinton

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Bernie Sanders sees poll surge after series of record-breaking appearances (Original Post) alboe Jul 2015 OP
What is happening has never happened that I know of, and all political players are going randys1 Jul 2015 #1
Obama used the internet well, but this time the internet is picking its own candidate fbc Jul 2015 #6
Bernie is saying something none of the mainstream candidates have ever said randys1 Jul 2015 #8
I also think that his personal wealth enters into the interest of the common people. Frustratedlady Jul 2015 #73
the unvarnished truth, you mean? wordpix Jul 2015 #91
Obama owed a lot to Dean's 50-state strategy but never acknowledged it emsimon33 Jul 2015 #12
He also owed a lot to all of the Wall Street money that he got in '07 and '08. Chakab Jul 2015 #27
Well, I don't think we will have that problem with Bernie Sanders Mnpaul Jul 2015 #69
"this time the internet is picking its own candidate" is very well put. Yes, we Cal33 Jul 2015 #15
The Washington Villagers are still using models from before the Internet. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #36
+1000 wordpix Jul 2015 #90
Giving weight to his eventual endorsement of Hillary for President for 2016. nt onehandle Jul 2015 #2
Give it a rest. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #23
LOL! Nice try. peacebird Jul 2015 #48
I think you need to flip that Aerows Jul 2015 #54
yeah, just like she was "inevitable" against Obama wordpix Jul 2015 #92
But he is still in second. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #3
It's been two weeks.... he's got 7-8 months. fbc Jul 2015 #5
And that's just till the start of the primaries. He has more time than the Clinton camp would Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #9
The other candidares has as much time Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #10
Exactly! and who else is doing anything close to the surge we've seen from Bernie? fbc Jul 2015 #14
Guess records was not watched when Hillary surged to the top. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #20
Ya think? fbc Jul 2015 #26
she should worry. he has warmth, a quality that she doesn't really have or she wouldn't screen roguevalley Jul 2015 #28
Bernie isn't Obama. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #30
Nope, he's better fbc Jul 2015 #40
Absolutely Correct! nt R. P. McMurphy Jul 2015 #42
In which regard? Obama gave the keynote address in the DNC Primary, a very Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #43
True. But, since then, the country has made note that "good speaker" doesn't equal "good leader." PSPS Jul 2015 #56
True, except in the case of Obama has gotten results, the results will be a part of the history Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #57
Speaking great Plucketeer Jul 2015 #83
Maybe healthcare does not help you today but things change, without stopping pre-existing conditions Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #84
Yup, I do know about the changes to HC. Plucketeer Jul 2015 #86
It is easy to "blame Obama", please give Obama some credit, no it is not single payer. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #88
Here is how Bernie is better: his Wisconsin speech. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #58
So you judge it by the number of people he had jumping up and down. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #66
No. I don't judge him by people jumping up and down. I judge him by what he says. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #67
Bringing Bernie's speech in from Wisconsion does not prove Bernie is better than Obama with Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #68
Obama gives good speeches, but he is not a fighter. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #81
unban me Thanks. stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #85
Hope was good, but now we want action. fbc Jul 2015 #70
exactly! He doesn't accept the Wall St./corporate legalized bribes wordpix Jul 2015 #93
Thank Gawd! Fuddnik Jul 2015 #60
Oh I'm pretty sure that Hillary does indeed worry about the "small stuff" tularetom Jul 2015 #38
It will be different 6 months from now. Wait and see. :) Cal33 Jul 2015 #17
And we haven't even started..... daleanime Jul 2015 #21
we haven't even started door knocking yet! wordpix Jul 2015 #94
Think about this; Bernie takes 10 more points from Hillary and he is in the lead! A Simple Game Jul 2015 #25
Now they will be splitting between Webb, O'Malley, Sanders and Hillary. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #31
You forgot Biden and Chafee, not that it matters. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #39
I expect other candidates to hurt Clinton more than Sanders metalbot Jul 2015 #76
I don't know if Hillary will be hurt but i do expect Sanders to be hurt. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #77
I think the "well rounded" is exactly why it hurts Hillary more than Bernie metalbot Jul 2015 #78
In one caucus state OKNancy Jul 2015 #50
It's a start. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #53
Funny, we were told the same thing in 2008 by Clinton's campaign davidpdx Jul 2015 #79
They better start looking for another undeclared candidate NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #4
Same reason they still call him a "long shot" despite coming in 2nd. arcane1 Jul 2015 #11
You know, it is theoretically possible to repeal the 22nd amendment jeff47 Jul 2015 #18
Jim Webb just declared, so there you go. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #22
Oh goody... NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #41
Looks like Biden's in too. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #45
I expected this Mnpaul Jul 2015 #71
OK, here's how the media would spin that: NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #72
This was in Madison, Wisconsin, home of the University of Wisconsin. candelista Jul 2015 #7
So NYC is a bastion of conservatism? jeff47 Jul 2015 #16
What is your point? candelista Jul 2015 #29
You're claiming the massive crowd in Madison is due to it being a liberal enclave. jeff47 Jul 2015 #32
Where did I claim that? candelista Jul 2015 #37
In your first post in the thread. jeff47 Jul 2015 #47
How many college students are on campus in July? winter is coming Jul 2015 #55
That's what I was thinking. They are mostly at home. I was at the rally AllyCat Jul 2015 #82
She had a crowd equal to Bernie for the announcement - but she was in freaking NYC, he was Vermont peacebird Jul 2015 #49
And has what 10x the population? Kalidurga Jul 2015 #33
Actually, 32x the population. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #35
even better nt Kalidurga Jul 2015 #74
And the 40,000 students Pharaoh Jul 2015 #102
Still in 2nd place to the established candidate, but so is Donald Trump, which speaks volumes. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #13
Maybe a volume of "Fun With Dick and Jane", but that's about it. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #19
Bizarre post. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #24
Bizarre response. nt Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #34
Thinking that Hillary supporters are getting worried about Bernie. He is storming the castle! peacebird Jul 2015 #51
HRC should be worried wordpix Jul 2015 #98
Looks like an "equate Sanders with Trump" smear. arcane1 Jul 2015 #61
Same place Obama was in summer 2007, no? arcane1 Jul 2015 #64
BS doesn't have access to the Obama coalition. Big Diff! n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #65
45+ million here on food stamps, but Bank$ters got the access, and $$$. Big Diff! jtuck004 Jul 2015 #99
Donald Duck pays "supporters" to show up and few do; Bernie gets 10,000 for one event wordpix Jul 2015 #95
Why would he pay for publicity? He's got Hartmann, Schultz & RT dispatching his every move. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #103
We've gotten so used to hearing lies, it's amazing some us still want to hear the valerief Jul 2015 #44
Surging because humbled_opinion Jul 2015 #46
“That is what this campaign is about: creating a political revolution in America.” abakan Jul 2015 #52
Damn right! And count me in!! arcane1 Jul 2015 #62
me, too, Bernie, put me on your volunteer list wordpix Jul 2015 #96
How will they counter his revolutionary tactic of letting people actually getting to know him? :) Babel_17 Jul 2015 #59
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #63
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #75
Here's how they (and I do mean HRC corporatist shills) are portraying Bernie's crowd in Madison YOHABLO Jul 2015 #80
Note to HRC: We NEED an activist so for progressives, Bernie's the one wordpix Jul 2015 #97
Bernie!! AzDar Jul 2015 #87
Hey, Trump with your $50/paid supporter announcement wordpix Jul 2015 #89
Yeah, Trump. Go bankrupt quick! mwooldri Jul 2015 #100
Go Bernie Go !!! urbuddha Jul 2015 #101

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. What is happening has never happened that I know of, and all political players are going
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jul 2015

to need to catch up, figure it out, and understand that the people are done with the status quo.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
73. I also think that his personal wealth enters into the interest of the common people.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie isn't a wealthy candidate like so many of the rest (on both sides). The everyday breadwinner can relate to him more easily than to the millionaires. Also, he is relying on these same citizens for his campaign dollars and not looking at corporate or billionaire support.

I love that he is calling out the Kochs and their ilk who are obviously trying to buy our government. Now that people are paying attention to the power the Kochs have, they are fighting to get their government back.

Power of the people will get Bernie further than millions of dollars in his campaign fund.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
12. Obama owed a lot to Dean's 50-state strategy but never acknowledged it
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jul 2015

The Democratic Party closed down the 50-state strategy quickly because they fear a solid grassroots. Bernie is leveraging that.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
69. Well, I don't think we will have that problem with Bernie Sanders
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jul 2015

I was reminded of this today. It's good to watch every so often. All I had to do is type in "ber" and youtube did the rest - first choice

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
15. "this time the internet is picking its own candidate" is very well put. Yes, we
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jul 2015

are tired of the status quo of going nowhere. We want real change, and
we will have it.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
48. LOL! Nice try.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary is dropping every month in the pols, while Bernie is doubling his percentages. Shades of 08 for Hillary and her minions

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
54. I think you need to flip that
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jul 2015

When Hillary endorses Sanders for President. It won't be pretty, because this will be the last time she can realistically run for President, but she'll do it.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
92. yeah, just like she was "inevitable" against Obama
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jul 2015

Don't count Bernie out. His supporters are growing in big ways.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
9. And that's just till the start of the primaries. He has more time than the Clinton camp would
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jul 2015

like to do this thing.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. Guess records was not watched when Hillary surged to the top.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jul 2015

That's alright, Hillary doesn't worry about the small stuff.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
26. Ya think?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jul 2015

Something tells me she does worry about a democratic challenger polling even higher at this point than the democrat who beat her last time.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
28. she should worry. he has warmth, a quality that she doesn't really have or she wouldn't screen
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

the people who she meets with. She had better worry.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
43. In which regard? Obama gave the keynote address in the DNC Primary, a very
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jul 2015

Memorable speech, Obama knows how to speak. Heads and shoulders above Bernie.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
57. True, except in the case of Obama has gotten results, the results will be a part of the history
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jul 2015

Books. Obama has stayed on course through thick and thin, has met with great challenges and still remained cool as a cucumber.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
83. Speaking great
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jul 2015

Remaining cool - what has that gotten us? First off, we've gotten SIX WASTED YEARS of trying to be a lightweight Republican. Then - to be more specific - we've let Wall St. off with something of a "Boys will be boys!" admonition. And STILL we're HIRING from that crowd of crooks to regulate that crowd of crooks!!! If this is beneficial to society, then we need to give serious consideration to turning over our prison systems to the inmates. I mean - who would know better, how to operate the prisons than those who live there?
And what about those horrible wars we started in the Middle East? The ones that should be but distant memories now. The ones that have turned out to be THE LONGEST this country has been involved in.
OH! And health care! By golly - we managed to wrangle those pesky thief, health insurance companies into masquerading as nice guys. And why not? Their new leashes on life let them still rake in the cash rather than losing their collective rears to a single payer system - the system we REALLY would've benefited from, but that was somehow mysteriously overlooked once Obama took the keys from W.
And lest I forget - there's ol' Silver Tongue's signature piece - the TPP. Obviously NEVER able to find "comfortable shoes" (although seriously considering some NIKEs of late!) to walk with Labor, he's determind to walk ON Labor with his top secret - trust me, this is good for you! - sellout of trade giveaway.

And so we've got Dame Clinton waiting for her coronation while holding Obama's "Team Player" list in her clutches. 'scuse me while I pour me another shot of Bernie.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
84. Maybe healthcare does not help you today but things change, without stopping pre-existing conditions
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jul 2015

and the $1 million lifetime cap lots of people would not be able to afford their health.

Did you know trade is a big part of being president?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
86. Yup, I do know about the changes to HC.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jul 2015

That's why I said what I did about him making the insurance companies play nice. Play nice when we COULD HAVE just stepped around them. But of course, they had money to hand out. Single Payer didn't/doesn't.

And most certainly, TRADE is part of being president. But we pay his salary - this guy who promised more transparency than we'd ever known. And now even our REPS can do little but stare at it while it lies under guard. I feel SO involved!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
88. It is easy to "blame Obama", please give Obama some credit, no it is not single payer.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jul 2015

Even if Medicare for it would still have drawbacks, just talk to those who are on Medicare. The average SS amount is $1200 a month and Medicare cost $105 a month. Many on Medicare still purchase a supplement.

If a president is against trade then they are not doing their job of which they get paid and a no trade president does not have our best interest at heart.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
58. Here is how Bernie is better: his Wisconsin speech.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017275952

The crowd of 10,000 was practically jumping through the rafters throughout the speech. Bernie touched every point that Americans care about.

Bernie is starting a political revolution. He really is.

Hillary is ending a political regression.

Bernie speaks from notes, yes, but from notes prepared from his heart.

Bernie is not reading a speech. He is talking to us.

Hillary has to either recite or read her speeches. That's weak. It's a bit superficial, but if her message were coming from her heart, and if she could speak well enough to win the election, she would not need a written text. She would like Bernie refer to something written but just speak from her heart. She can't do that. She doesn't feel the Bern.

This is a time of change. The people who are pushing all these trade agreements are trying to get ahead of the change, trying to cement their position at the top of the heap in the world. It's not going to work.

Bernie Sanders is going win in November 2016. Mark my words. He will win or the American people will want to know the reason why. He speaks to all our issues.

Listen to his rebuttal of the charge that he is an extremist. It's brilliant. Hillary can't do that. She just doesn't have what it takes. She is too cold. Bernie Sanders will win in November 2016.

Hillary has the machine, but Bernie has the soul. That's the difference.

It isn't personal between you and me. It's just the way it is.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
66. So you judge it by the number of people he had jumping up and down.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

How many people was at the DNC convention in 2004? Obama just had people on their feet in Charleston while he sang Amazing Grace, how many was there? And you have to add thousands who watched on TV and my goodness the part where he sang was played over and over. No, I don't think I would want to compare the two on their speeches.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
67. No. I don't judge him by people jumping up and down. I judge him by what he says.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jul 2015

I don't think you have heard his speech. You really should listen so that you will know what you are up against. Bernie really is amazing.

I'm not a gullible, stupid person. I am experienced in life. I am not what I would call a socialist either. But my definition, neither is Bernie.

Please just listen to his speech. Thanks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017275952

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
68. Bringing Bernie's speech in from Wisconsion does not prove Bernie is better than Obama with
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:03 PM
Jul 2015

All the wonderful and rising speeches Obama has given.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
81. Obama gives good speeches, but he is not a fighter.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jul 2015

I think that Bernie Sanders is quite a fighter. I think he will use his bully pulpit. Obama has not done that.

Further, I agree with Sanders' policy proposals even more than I did with Obama. I was originally a John Edwards supporter. I worked for a homeless project that mostly served homeless African-American men. So poverty and economic justice are important issues to me. Racism, sexism, the cheating, the fraud, by Wall Street and many other issues are important to me.

I think that Hillary is a nice woman, but so many of the bills that Bill Clinton signed have proved to have disastrous effects for our economy and for so many Americans that I cannot support her. In addition, she voted for the Iraq War although she was strongly advised against that vote by the women of Code Pink (I'm not a member and not affiliated with them.) who had been to Iraq and described the suffering of the Iraqi prior to the war. I don't think she has as good a judgment as Bernie has.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
38. Oh I'm pretty sure that Hillary does indeed worry about the "small stuff"
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jul 2015

She was worried enough about it to send her mouthpiece McCaskill to the Morning Joke TV show to bad mouth Bernie Sanders, she was worried enough to dispatch Luis Gutierrez and Lanny Davis to various pundit talkfests to trash him. And it's a long way to the first primaries, she's going to do a lot more worrying before anybody even votes.

Ms Clinton is probably the most insecure and paranoid American politician since Richard Nixon.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
25. Think about this; Bernie takes 10 more points from Hillary and he is in the lead!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jul 2015

Let's meet again on August 2nd and talk about it again.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Now they will be splitting between Webb, O'Malley, Sanders and Hillary.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jul 2015

I expect to see a surge in O'Malley soon.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
76. I expect other candidates to hurt Clinton more than Sanders
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:13 PM
Jul 2015

I don't see a lot of Bernie supporters moving to O'Malley or Webb.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
77. I don't know if Hillary will be hurt but i do expect Sanders to be hurt.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jul 2015

As more information is discovered by voters after the first look it is going to be difficult to only run on the issues Bernie is talking. Voters know it takes a well rounded candidate to handle the job.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
78. I think the "well rounded" is exactly why it hurts Hillary more than Bernie
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:36 PM
Jul 2015

Webb and O'Malley provide alternative "electable" well rounded candidates, rather than alternative "populist" candidates.

It's going to be a more interesting primary season than I thought it would be.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
4. They better start looking for another undeclared candidate
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jul 2015

to add to the polling to keep Bernie's numbers vs Clinton low. Not sure if using Biden alone will be enough to cut into the burgeoning numbers, and there is likely little possibility of seeing just a Clinton-Sanders poll. I'm sure they've Done such a poll, but for some reason opted to publish just the one with Biden, who hasn't even indicated he's running, in it. Wonder why...LOL, not really...I know why.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
11. Same reason they still call him a "long shot" despite coming in 2nd.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jul 2015

The rest are all polling at 1% or 2%, but you never hear them described that way.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
18. You know, it is theoretically possible to repeal the 22nd amendment
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

so Obama could run for a third term.....time for a Clinton-Obama-Sanders poll!!!

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
41. Oh goody...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jul 2015

another DLC'er to represent the 1%. Does this signal that the elite are becoming concerned that Hillary might not be the shoe-in they had counted on?

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
71. I expected this
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jul 2015

Several Democrats that are to the right of Hillary will enter the race to make her look more "left".

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
72. OK, here's how the media would spin that:
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jul 2015

"Several Democrats that are to the right of Hillary enter the race to pull Hillary to the Right"

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
7. This was in Madison, Wisconsin, home of the University of Wisconsin.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jul 2015

I'm not surprised that Bernie got a big crowd there.

Disclaimer: I am not anti-Bernie or pro-Hillary. I am just saying.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
32. You're claiming the massive crowd in Madison is due to it being a liberal enclave.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jul 2015

Clinton got a smaller crowd in her NYC announcement, despite NYC's population being about 32 times the population of Madison (~8M versus ~240k).

So if this crowd is entirely due to Madison being a liberal enclave, that would require NYC to be much more conservative for a city 32 times the size to produce a smaller crowd.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
37. Where did I claim that?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jul 2015

Nowhere. And where did I compare Bernie to Hillary? Your argument leaks like a sieve. Madison is not just a "liberal enclave." It's a liberal college town. And college students, in this period of their ongoing financial misery, are much more likely to turn out for someone like Bernie than other people.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
47. In your first post in the thread.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jul 2015

Here, I'll quote you.

7. This was in Madison, Wisconsin, home of the University of Wisconsin.

I'm not surprised that Bernie got a big crowd there.

So, how specifically is this not claiming that Madison is a liberal enclave? You don't have to literally state something to get your point across. That's why concepts like metaphor exist.

And where did I compare Bernie to Hillary?

Where did I say you did?

If you're going to argue you literally have to say something, then I'll happily apply the same metric.

You want a different rule? Then it applies to you.

It's a liberal college town. And college students, in this period of their ongoing financial misery, are much more likely to turn out for someone like Bernie than other people.

In other words, a liberal enclave. Which you just denied you were claiming.

You should really make up your mind before making both sides of an argument.

Oh, you also kinda skipped over that 32 times the population part. Which is kinda important.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
55. How many college students are on campus in July?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jul 2015

Other than the grad students, who are doing well if they know what day of the week it is.

AllyCat

(16,036 posts)
82. That's what I was thinking. They are mostly at home. I was at the rally
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jul 2015

And it was full of people from all ages. It did not scream "student night".

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
49. She had a crowd equal to Bernie for the announcement - but she was in freaking NYC, he was Vermont
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jul 2015

By all rights SHE should have gotten a bigger crowd. There was No one in her overflw areas.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
102. And the 40,000 students
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jul 2015

Are out of town,otherwise you would have needed the football stadium for the rally,just wait for the next rally in the fall

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
19. Maybe a volume of "Fun With Dick and Jane", but that's about it.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

Two entirely different situations. What Sanders has done in a short time is impressive.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
51. Thinking that Hillary supporters are getting worried about Bernie. He is storming the castle!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jul 2015

They are #Feeling The Bern!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
98. HRC should be worried
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015

I would love a female Dem president but Bernie is the better candidate and representative for those of us sick and tired and disgusted with corporate fucking Amerika

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
99. 45+ million here on food stamps, but Bank$ters got the access, and $$$. Big Diff!
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jul 2015

So Bernie appears to be in pretty good company.



Just sayin'...

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
95. Donald Duck pays "supporters" to show up and few do; Bernie gets 10,000 for one event
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jul 2015

without even paying for publicity. Hardly an apples:apples comparison

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
103. Why would he pay for publicity? He's got Hartmann, Schultz & RT dispatching his every move.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jul 2015

And let's not pretend that turning out 10k, in a labor stronghold like WI, is the second coming.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
46. Surging because
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:22 PM
Jul 2015

People are tired of the status quo Bushes and Clintons. Bernie has a message that resonates with the average people. I won't waste my Florida primary vote on Hillary even if she does win Iowa and NH but the debates will certainly make or break her...

abakan

(1,815 posts)
52. “That is what this campaign is about: creating a political revolution in America.”
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jul 2015

It's about time.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
59. How will they counter his revolutionary tactic of letting people actually getting to know him? :)
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:19 PM
Jul 2015

Word of mouth will counter his lack of corporate funding for advertising.

It's like getting turned on to good music rather than being subjected to relentless promotion. Great jazz vs. over hyped arena rock.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
63. Like I have said before.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

It is time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
80. Here's how they (and I do mean HRC corporatist shills) are portraying Bernie's crowd in Madison
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/nearly-10-000-pack-stadium-for-sanders-event-475276355745#discussions

This is Erin McPike who is claiming that Madison is a predominately Progressive hub .. where ''activist, Bernie Sanders" has an easy draw. Where in comparison, Obama's popularity was ubiquitous; not just drawing popularity in geopolitical liberal / progressive venues. Notice she uses the term ''activist" over again. This is where the centrist Clinton's will strike. Bernie is way too left and ''activist'', "extremist". Which of course is code for socialist, communist LOL LOL Claire McCaskill got the ball rolling and I hope it backlashes on her. This is going to be one hell of a fight, when Hillary thought it was going to be a cake walk. Not so fast missy.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
100. Yeah, Trump. Go bankrupt quick!
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jul 2015

Trump would have to shell out $500,000 every time he wants a crowd Bernie-Sized. The trouble is that the Bernie-Size is about to grow... and that it's more likely that the 10,000 that showed up in Wisconsin paid to be there (not directly, generally through voluntary donations). The other thing is could Trump find enough people to pay to show up?

Message to Trump: You're Fired. And not just from Comcast (previously NBC Universal).

urbuddha

(363 posts)
101. Go Bernie Go !!!
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie Sanders is the president that will get the American middle class back on track.

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