Bernie Sanders sees poll surge after series of record-breaking appearances
Source: The Guardian
Bernie Sanders has more than halved the gap with Hillary Clinton in the early-voting state of Iowa, according to a new poll which shows the leftwing insurgent building on his recent record-breaking public appearances with growing support among key Democratic voters.
An estimated 10,000 supporters filled an arena in Madison, Wisconsin, on Wednesday night to hear the Vermont senator call for revolution in American politics as he challenges Clinton for the partys nomination in the 2016 presidential election.
Sanders told the crowd: Tonight we have made a little bit of history. Tonight we have more people at any meeting for a candidate of president of the United States than any other candidate.
Though still seen as a long-shot candidate when compared with the former secretary of state and establishment favourite Clinton, the momentum behind Sanders uncompromising progressive message is also beginning to show in opinion polling.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/02/bernie-sanders-poll-surge-hillary-clinton
randys1
(16,286 posts)to need to catch up, figure it out, and understand that the people are done with the status quo.
fbc
(1,668 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Bernie isn't a wealthy candidate like so many of the rest (on both sides). The everyday breadwinner can relate to him more easily than to the millionaires. Also, he is relying on these same citizens for his campaign dollars and not looking at corporate or billionaire support.
I love that he is calling out the Kochs and their ilk who are obviously trying to buy our government. Now that people are paying attention to the power the Kochs have, they are fighting to get their government back.
Power of the people will get Bernie further than millions of dollars in his campaign fund.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)The Democratic Party closed down the 50-state strategy quickly because they fear a solid grassroots. Bernie is leveraging that.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)I was reminded of this today. It's good to watch every so often. All I had to do is type in "ber" and youtube did the rest - first choice
Cal33
(7,018 posts)are tired of the status quo of going nowhere. We want real change, and
we will have it.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Hillary is dropping every month in the pols, while Bernie is doubling his percentages. Shades of 08 for Hillary and her minions
Aerows
(39,961 posts)When Hillary endorses Sanders for President. It won't be pretty, because this will be the last time she can realistically run for President, but she'll do it.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Don't count Bernie out. His supporters are growing in big ways.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)like to do this thing.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)That's alright, Hillary doesn't worry about the small stuff.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Something tells me she does worry about a democratic challenger polling even higher at this point than the democrat who beat her last time.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)the people who she meets with. She had better worry.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)R. P. McMurphy
(833 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Memorable speech, Obama knows how to speak. Heads and shoulders above Bernie.
PSPS
(13,516 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Books. Obama has stayed on course through thick and thin, has met with great challenges and still remained cool as a cucumber.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Remaining cool - what has that gotten us? First off, we've gotten SIX WASTED YEARS of trying to be a lightweight Republican. Then - to be more specific - we've let Wall St. off with something of a "Boys will be boys!" admonition. And STILL we're HIRING from that crowd of crooks to regulate that crowd of crooks!!! If this is beneficial to society, then we need to give serious consideration to turning over our prison systems to the inmates. I mean - who would know better, how to operate the prisons than those who live there?
And what about those horrible wars we started in the Middle East? The ones that should be but distant memories now. The ones that have turned out to be THE LONGEST this country has been involved in.
OH! And health care! By golly - we managed to wrangle those pesky thief, health insurance companies into masquerading as nice guys. And why not? Their new leashes on life let them still rake in the cash rather than losing their collective rears to a single payer system - the system we REALLY would've benefited from, but that was somehow mysteriously overlooked once Obama took the keys from W.
And lest I forget - there's ol' Silver Tongue's signature piece - the TPP. Obviously NEVER able to find "comfortable shoes" (although seriously considering some NIKEs of late!) to walk with Labor, he's determind to walk ON Labor with his top secret - trust me, this is good for you! - sellout of trade giveaway.
And so we've got Dame Clinton waiting for her coronation while holding Obama's "Team Player" list in her clutches. 'scuse me while I pour me another shot of Bernie.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)and the $1 million lifetime cap lots of people would not be able to afford their health.
Did you know trade is a big part of being president?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)That's why I said what I did about him making the insurance companies play nice. Play nice when we COULD HAVE just stepped around them. But of course, they had money to hand out. Single Payer didn't/doesn't.
And most certainly, TRADE is part of being president. But we pay his salary - this guy who promised more transparency than we'd ever known. And now even our REPS can do little but stare at it while it lies under guard. I feel SO involved!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Even if Medicare for it would still have drawbacks, just talk to those who are on Medicare. The average SS amount is $1200 a month and Medicare cost $105 a month. Many on Medicare still purchase a supplement.
If a president is against trade then they are not doing their job of which they get paid and a no trade president does not have our best interest at heart.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The crowd of 10,000 was practically jumping through the rafters throughout the speech. Bernie touched every point that Americans care about.
Bernie is starting a political revolution. He really is.
Hillary is ending a political regression.
Bernie speaks from notes, yes, but from notes prepared from his heart.
Bernie is not reading a speech. He is talking to us.
Hillary has to either recite or read her speeches. That's weak. It's a bit superficial, but if her message were coming from her heart, and if she could speak well enough to win the election, she would not need a written text. She would like Bernie refer to something written but just speak from her heart. She can't do that. She doesn't feel the Bern.
This is a time of change. The people who are pushing all these trade agreements are trying to get ahead of the change, trying to cement their position at the top of the heap in the world. It's not going to work.
Bernie Sanders is going win in November 2016. Mark my words. He will win or the American people will want to know the reason why. He speaks to all our issues.
Listen to his rebuttal of the charge that he is an extremist. It's brilliant. Hillary can't do that. She just doesn't have what it takes. She is too cold. Bernie Sanders will win in November 2016.
Hillary has the machine, but Bernie has the soul. That's the difference.
It isn't personal between you and me. It's just the way it is.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)How many people was at the DNC convention in 2004? Obama just had people on their feet in Charleston while he sang Amazing Grace, how many was there? And you have to add thousands who watched on TV and my goodness the part where he sang was played over and over. No, I don't think I would want to compare the two on their speeches.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I don't think you have heard his speech. You really should listen so that you will know what you are up against. Bernie really is amazing.
I'm not a gullible, stupid person. I am experienced in life. I am not what I would call a socialist either. But my definition, neither is Bernie.
Please just listen to his speech. Thanks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017275952
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)All the wonderful and rising speeches Obama has given.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I think that Bernie Sanders is quite a fighter. I think he will use his bully pulpit. Obama has not done that.
Further, I agree with Sanders' policy proposals even more than I did with Obama. I was originally a John Edwards supporter. I worked for a homeless project that mostly served homeless African-American men. So poverty and economic justice are important issues to me. Racism, sexism, the cheating, the fraud, by Wall Street and many other issues are important to me.
I think that Hillary is a nice woman, but so many of the bills that Bill Clinton signed have proved to have disastrous effects for our economy and for so many Americans that I cannot support her. In addition, she voted for the Iraq War although she was strongly advised against that vote by the women of Code Pink (I'm not a member and not affiliated with them.) who had been to Iraq and described the suffering of the Iraqi prior to the war. I don't think she has as good a judgment as Bernie has.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)are you a true Bernie Sanders supporter? i don't think he would act like you.
fbc
(1,668 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)She was worried enough about it to send her mouthpiece McCaskill to the Morning Joke TV show to bad mouth Bernie Sanders, she was worried enough to dispatch Luis Gutierrez and Lanny Davis to various pundit talkfests to trash him. And it's a long way to the first primaries, she's going to do a lot more worrying before anybody even votes.
Ms Clinton is probably the most insecure and paranoid American politician since Richard Nixon.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)the debates yet.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Bernie's army will be out to do that - count me in
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Let's meet again on August 2nd and talk about it again.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I expect to see a surge in O'Malley soon.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Like I said, let's meet again in a month.
metalbot
(1,058 posts)I don't see a lot of Bernie supporters moving to O'Malley or Webb.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)As more information is discovered by voters after the first look it is going to be difficult to only run on the issues Bernie is talking. Voters know it takes a well rounded candidate to handle the job.
metalbot
(1,058 posts)Webb and O'Malley provide alternative "electable" well rounded candidates, rather than alternative "populist" candidates.
It's going to be a more interesting primary season than I thought it would be.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Meet me after Super Tuesday.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)How did that work out?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to add to the polling to keep Bernie's numbers vs Clinton low. Not sure if using Biden alone will be enough to cut into the burgeoning numbers, and there is likely little possibility of seeing just a Clinton-Sanders poll. I'm sure they've Done such a poll, but for some reason opted to publish just the one with Biden, who hasn't even indicated he's running, in it. Wonder why...LOL, not really...I know why.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The rest are all polling at 1% or 2%, but you never hear them described that way.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)so Obama could run for a third term.....time for a Clinton-Obama-Sanders poll!!!
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)another DLC'er to represent the 1%. Does this signal that the elite are becoming concerned that Hillary might not be the shoe-in they had counted on?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Several Democrats that are to the right of Hillary will enter the race to make her look more "left".
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)"Several Democrats that are to the right of Hillary enter the race to pull Hillary to the Right"
candelista
(1,986 posts)I'm not surprised that Bernie got a big crowd there.
Disclaimer: I am not anti-Bernie or pro-Hillary. I am just saying.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You wanna go with that argument?
candelista
(1,986 posts)Is this supposed to be a reductio?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Clinton got a smaller crowd in her NYC announcement, despite NYC's population being about 32 times the population of Madison (~8M versus ~240k).
So if this crowd is entirely due to Madison being a liberal enclave, that would require NYC to be much more conservative for a city 32 times the size to produce a smaller crowd.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Nowhere. And where did I compare Bernie to Hillary? Your argument leaks like a sieve. Madison is not just a "liberal enclave." It's a liberal college town. And college students, in this period of their ongoing financial misery, are much more likely to turn out for someone like Bernie than other people.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Here, I'll quote you.
I'm not surprised that Bernie got a big crowd there.
So, how specifically is this not claiming that Madison is a liberal enclave? You don't have to literally state something to get your point across. That's why concepts like metaphor exist.
Where did I say you did?
If you're going to argue you literally have to say something, then I'll happily apply the same metric.
You want a different rule? Then it applies to you.
In other words, a liberal enclave. Which you just denied you were claiming.
You should really make up your mind before making both sides of an argument.
Oh, you also kinda skipped over that 32 times the population part. Which is kinda important.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Other than the grad students, who are doing well if they know what day of the week it is.
AllyCat
(16,036 posts)And it was full of people from all ages. It did not scream "student night".
peacebird
(14,195 posts)By all rights SHE should have gotten a bigger crowd. There was No one in her overflw areas.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Yes lets go with that argument I like where it's going.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)Are out of town,otherwise you would have needed the football stadium for the rally,just wait for the next rally in the fall
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Two entirely different situations. What Sanders has done in a short time is impressive.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)They are #Feeling The Bern!
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I would love a female Dem president but Bernie is the better candidate and representative for those of us sick and tired and disgusted with corporate fucking Amerika
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Desperate times...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Speaks volumes indeed!!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)So Bernie appears to be in pretty good company.
Just sayin'...
wordpix
(18,652 posts)without even paying for publicity. Hardly an apples:apples comparison
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)And let's not pretend that turning out 10k, in a labor stronghold like WI, is the second coming.
valerief
(53,235 posts)truth.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)People are tired of the status quo Bushes and Clintons. Bernie has a message that resonates with the average people. I won't waste my Florida primary vote on Hillary even if she does win Iowa and NH but the debates will certainly make or break her...
abakan
(1,815 posts)It's about time.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Word of mouth will counter his lack of corporate funding for advertising.
It's like getting turned on to good music rather than being subjected to relentless promotion. Great jazz vs. over hyped arena rock.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)It is time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.
Then Bernie will win
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread, alboe.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)This is Erin McPike who is claiming that Madison is a predominately Progressive hub .. where ''activist, Bernie Sanders" has an easy draw. Where in comparison, Obama's popularity was ubiquitous; not just drawing popularity in geopolitical liberal / progressive venues. Notice she uses the term ''activist" over again. This is where the centrist Clinton's will strike. Bernie is way too left and ''activist'', "extremist". Which of course is code for socialist, communist LOL LOL Claire McCaskill got the ball rolling and I hope it backlashes on her. This is going to be one hell of a fight, when Hillary thought it was going to be a cake walk. Not so fast missy.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Eat your heart out, you scumbag. go, Bernie!
mwooldri
(10,291 posts)Trump would have to shell out $500,000 every time he wants a crowd Bernie-Sized. The trouble is that the Bernie-Size is about to grow... and that it's more likely that the 10,000 that showed up in Wisconsin paid to be there (not directly, generally through voluntary donations). The other thing is could Trump find enough people to pay to show up?
Message to Trump: You're Fired. And not just from Comcast (previously NBC Universal).
urbuddha
(363 posts)Bernie Sanders is the president that will get the American middle class back on track.