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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:16 AM Jul 2015

Greece's FM resigns as Athens scrambles to avert economic collapse

Last edited Mon Jul 6, 2015, 05:49 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: USA Today

Greece's Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis said Monday he is stepping down after his country rejected the bailout terms demanded by Athens' creditors in a referendum.

Varoufakis said he was resigning because he was "made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted 'partners,' for (his) 'absence.' "

He announced his resignation in a blog post on Monday.

The rejection of Sunday's vote increases the likelihood that debt-wracked Greece will exit the eurozone.

ETA: USA Today changed headline.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/07/06/varoufakis-resignation-greece/29755833/



Rat abandons sinking ship that he helped run onto the shoals.

I thought the 'NO' vote was supposed to reset the clock at zero. A whole new ballgame - a newly level playing field - Greece would immediately reopen 'fairer' negotiations with her creditors, ETC. ETC. ETC.

So, now he calls it quits.

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Greece's FM resigns as Athens scrambles to avert economic collapse (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 OP
Welcome to the kabuki that is global finance CincyDem Jul 2015 #1
"He can't be the hero at the end of the show..." Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #7
The idea is to negotiate a better deal, and those w/ whom they are negotiating don't want him cloudythescribbler Jul 2015 #2
"MANY years in the making," including during the time they were Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #3
Thread citing Picketty says a European confernence on all Euro debt is needed as was done post-WW2. freshwest Jul 2015 #6
"European conference on all Euro debt is needed as was done post-WW2..." Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #9
Watch the name Yanis Varoufakis turn up on the board of Goldman Sachs. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #4
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #5
I wonder if they still held his professorship open TexasTowelie Jul 2015 #8
If he's no better a professor than a finance minister, I doubt it. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #10
LOL. Have you read any of his books? azmom Jul 2015 #28
No, but now reading about him makes me wonder why he quit. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #40
He isn't going to Goldmans Sachs, that's for sure. azmom Jul 2015 #41
Maybe his leaving was part of a deal. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #42
You have got to be kidding... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #63
I was following the American model. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #65
Yep… That sure seems to be our model... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #66
He actually sounds like the one who is on the people's side here The bank$ters and rentiers seem jtuck004 Jul 2015 #11
See this thread and the discussion about his "negotiating" tactics... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #12
Well, if he's SO much on the people's side, such an advocate for the downtrodden, Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #13
so he out-negotiated the Troika's pirahnas. Good on him. magical thyme Jul 2015 #32
As Greece sinks further into the miasma, yeah, good on him. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #33
a lot of people believed Iceland would go down if they didn't bail out the banksters too. magical thyme Jul 2015 #46
Their respective economic situations are disssimilar. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #52
so? does that mean they recover via dictatorship? I'm sure if the US has anything to say about it, magical thyme Jul 2015 #56
Sadly, the Greeks have a long and shameful history of Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #57
whereas the Germans have a long and shameful history of torture, mass murder magical thyme Jul 2015 #59
I'd be the first to agree that Germany has much to answer and atone for, not to mention Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #61
No, ^^^THAT^^^^ MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #64
From what I have seen, you got him wrong. Darb Jul 2015 #14
this, exactly. He brought the Greeks to the point where the government now has political capital magical thyme Jul 2015 #15
See this thread for a discussion of the "admirable" Mr. Varoufakis and his negotiating tactics... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #18
I don't give a shit about his negotiating tactics. Darb Jul 2015 #22
The Greeks stood by Yanis and their prime minister. Respect azmom Jul 2015 #29
You don't understand something about the OP brentspeak Jul 2015 #30
My wife (an international tax lawyer) says he was a blowhard..: brooklynite Jul 2015 #16
Give your wife a handshake from me...! She called it in one. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #19
I am sure they were crying like two-year olds that he wouldn't cave to their extortion. Darb Jul 2015 #23
Why would they cry? brooklynite Jul 2015 #25
If there were no consequence to doing that, then why haven't they done it? Darb Jul 2015 #39
rat? no. Now the Troika can "save face" by putting all blame on him magical thyme Jul 2015 #17
Greece will soon be a former member of the Euro-zone...and good riddance. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #20
MY wife notes that Ireland and Iceland had bad banks but good economies...Greece has neither brooklynite Jul 2015 #24
Short and sweet...that about covers it. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #26
I'd like to see them leave too, for their own salvation magical thyme Jul 2015 #31
Well, you're in the minority then, 'cause there's this... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #34
I'd be in the minority if I was a Greek citizen. I'm not, so my opinion is irrelevent. magical thyme Jul 2015 #48
That seems to be working well... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #50
Well it's not 100% up to Germany. France made it clear they want them in. But it looks like the ECB magical thyme Jul 2015 #55
Their strategic geographic location, especially as the Middle East blows up just next door, Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #58
if the EU throws them out then the EU doesn't get a choice magical thyme Jul 2015 #60
Oh, not to worry, they'll never be thrown out of the EU...unthinkable. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #62
I suspect Varoufakis knows how ugly it is going to get.. DCBob Jul 2015 #21
Think ya got something there, Bob. A rat, a chicken and a liar.. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #27
You are getting unhinged now. Just blathering insults. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #36
Mirror, mirror, on the wall... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #37
Your OP is tendentious. He was forced out by the troika. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #35
That's his exit excuse and cover story...as for the piece itself, you'll have to contact USA Today. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #38
LOL You are too funny Comrade! azmom Jul 2015 #43
Wait, how could they force him out? Adrahil Jul 2015 #45
What make him a rat specifically? blackspade Jul 2015 #44
That he lied to his Greek constituents? That he played the Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #51
He lied in what way? blackspade Jul 2015 #53
That he pledged to resign only if the YES camp carried the day? Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #54
You've got way too much time on your hands... MattSh Jul 2015 #47
Retired, on a fixed-income pension, paid in and pegged to the euro. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #49

CincyDem

(6,336 posts)
1. Welcome to the kabuki that is global finance
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:36 AM
Jul 2015

I suspect, and we will likely never know, is that his departure is part of a global script agreed to well before the referendum.

IMF and the Euro Central Bank will ultimately reopen negotiations and develop a "fairer" debt structure going forward. BUT - the individuals involved (Lagrande, Dhragi, etc) can not be seen to be giving in to Yanis. They won't have to face their conquerer at the negotiating table.

Additionally, it will give the finance ministers of Spain, Italy, Portugal a reason for pause should they think the Greek strategy will work for them. IMF/ECB can't be seen as opening the door for those countries to easily travel the same path as Greece. With Yannis' resignation, the script is set - take this path and you may get better terms (if, by some chance, your population is as united as Greece) but you Mr Finance Minister will watch the solution from the sidelines.

As we enter the final act of the play, Yannis has to go. He can't be the hero at the end of the show.
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. "He can't be the hero at the end of the show..."
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:59 AM
Jul 2015

NO danger of that...

"Additionally, it will give the finance ministers of Spain, Italy, Portugal a reason for pause should they think the Greek strategy will work for them."


Let's hope to hell you're right. The euro and its member countries are teetering on the brink of the abyss.

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
2. The idea is to negotiate a better deal, and those w/ whom they are negotiating don't want him
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:42 AM
Jul 2015

I think that his decision is a "team" decision of the Syriza leadership. Rather than just sniping at him, or portrraying the "no" vote as duping the Greek voters, progressives around the world should LOUDLY unite and INSIST that the creditors do the ONLY intelligent thing, which is to loosen the noose around Greece's neck.

An interesting recent column in the NY Times suggested that the EU hardliners want TO force Greece out of the Eurozone pour encourager les autres -- to stop the other countries suffering under completely horrible and counterproductive austerity programs from seeking relief

It is morally perverse to blame Syriza for Greece's crisis, which was MANY years in the making, and has been going on for five long years. They are rightly insisting on an end to destructive austerity, which approach requires the other side in the EU to show flexibility that they so far have not

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. "MANY years in the making," including during the time they were
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:46 AM
Jul 2015

fraudulently applying for accession to euro-zone membership.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. Thread citing Picketty says a European confernence on all Euro debt is needed as was done post-WW2.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:58 AM
Jul 2015

Another thread says that the voters actually voted for the deal offered by the Troika. And that it was actually a Yes vote and not a No vote. Yanis said he would resign if it was - I forget. I've posted to you on one of your threads and 2 other threads. Picketty seems to have the real nature of the problem in mind, a transnational one instead of one state at a time. Comment?


 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. "European conference on all Euro debt is needed as was done post-WW2..."
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:08 AM
Jul 2015

This may be the only way out, plus a revised euro-zone treaty requiring closer political integration.

And, yes, he pledged to resign if the "YES" camp carried the day.

Now, he resigns and leaves others to pick through the wreckage and try to salvage something of the original euro-zone treaty.

If I was a Greek, having voted 'NO' yesterday, I think my reaction would be a giant:

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
63. You have got to be kidding...
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jul 2015

To do what? Dismantle it?

Come now… you can think further than that move...

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
66. Yep… That sure seems to be our model...
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jul 2015

… but, I have a different feeling about him. Greece is our point of light to follow (as opposed to a thousand points of light, like pappy Bush loved to say)

I'm very curious meanwhile.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
11. He actually sounds like the one who is on the people's side here The bank$ters and rentiers seem
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 05:11 AM
Jul 2015

to hate him - and are having a tantrum unless he quits. So he did, because the country needed it.

I'd stand with him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017246559

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. Well, if he's SO much on the people's side, such an advocate for the downtrodden,
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 05:36 AM
Jul 2015

why isn't he standing his ground and staying with the job? Finishing what he started.

He pledged to resign ONLY if the YES vote carried the day...RIIIIGHT!

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
32. so he out-negotiated the Troika's pirahnas. Good on him.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jul 2015

Germany has been refusing to pay war reparations since 1946, and has benefited at Greece's expense for all those decades. Time for them to pay the piper.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
46. a lot of people believed Iceland would go down if they didn't bail out the banksters too.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jul 2015

They led the way through the bankster mess. Now maybe Greece can lead the way to the return of democracy.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
56. so? does that mean they recover via dictatorship? I'm sure if the US has anything to say about it,
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jul 2015

it does.

Time will tell.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
57. Sadly, the Greeks have a long and shameful history of
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

overthrow by military junta. If Greek society really begins to fall apart, look for the colonels to elbow in.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
59. whereas the Germans have a long and shameful history of torture, mass murder
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jul 2015

attacking and stealing from neighbors, and more.

The Greeks shameful history of military junta was ushered in with a little help from the US, you know. And Nuland was visiting just a few weeks ago. Here we fucking go again.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
61. I'd be the first to agree that Germany has much to answer and atone for, not to mention
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jul 2015

that they piss me off royally with their often smug and self-righteous chiding of their European partners for budgetary "lapses".

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
14. From what I have seen, you got him wrong.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jul 2015

Yanis is one of the good guys. He was not part of the problem. I think rather the big finance guys don't like him and will probably fuck the greeks for spite, so he is getting out of the way not to give them any excuses?

I like Yanis.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
15. this, exactly. He brought the Greeks to the point where the government now has political capital
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:13 AM
Jul 2015

he is backing out of negotiations because the Troika hates him. He took their heat in order to buy negotiating room for the Greeks.

He will no longer be the frontman, that doesn't automatically mean he can't be advising his replacement from behind the scenes.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
22. I don't give a shit about his negotiating tactics.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jul 2015

The Bond Trader Pirates are extremely polite and look very sharp in the $5,000 Italian suits. But they are still psychopaths.

Like I said, he now obviously thinks the crybaby pirates would be more likely to make a deal if he wasn't there kicking them in their psychopathic, Ken doll, crotches.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
29. The Greeks stood by Yanis and their prime minister. Respect
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

Democracy. The people voted Yanis won.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
23. I am sure they were crying like two-year olds that he wouldn't cave to their extortion.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:57 AM
Jul 2015

Bunch a goddamn babies.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
25. Why would they cry?
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:03 AM
Jul 2015

All they have to do is cut off the spigot of continuing loans; without an agreement, the Greek banks will be dry by the end of the week.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
39. If there were no consequence to doing that, then why haven't they done it?
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jul 2015

Perhaps they just want all the little guys throughout the world to think they have no choice but to fall to their knees and provide fellatio to the gods of finance that created a labyrinth of deceit and fraud so complex that only they can understand it and only they can decide the path forward.

Cut them off and see what happens.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
17. rat? no. Now the Troika can "save face" by putting all blame on him
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:19 AM
Jul 2015

they can blame failed prior negotiations on "bad boy" Varifoukas, and start offering *real* solutions to the crisis.

The release of the 5 year old IMF report that stated that bailouts would not succeed without debt restructuring wasn't leaked by chance last week.

Now that the Troika's lies by omission have been revealed, they can be forced to include debt restructuring. Greece's debts would *never* have become so onerous if the 2010 aide had been properly administered instead of loading the people up with unpayable debt and crushing the Greek economy in order to prop up Germany's banks.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
20. Greece will soon be a former member of the Euro-zone...and good riddance.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jul 2015

Greece's structural problems date from far before 2010 and long before they fraudulently applied for accession to euro-zone membership.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
31. I'd like to see them leave too, for their own salvation
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jul 2015

But for that to happen, they will have to turn to Russia and China. And the US absolutely does NOT want to see that happen.

The US likely is behind the IMF report leak. Nuland was in Athen just a couple weeks ago, so we're definitely meddling around to see the chances for a color revolution to overthrow Syriza and put our own dictatorship back in like we did post WWII the last time Greece elected a leftist government.

Plus, like it or not, the Euro-zone can't afford to have the first domino fall. If Greece goes, Portugal, Italy, Spain and even France will be next.

France is already on record yesterday as stating they will do whatever it takes to keep Greece in, and have an emergency meeting with Merkel today to discuss how.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
48. I'd be in the minority if I was a Greek citizen. I'm not, so my opinion is irrelevent.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

and the reality is that they are unlikely to be able to get out of the euro any time soon, due to the logistics. But California and Canada both led the way in running "iou" or parallel currencies during crises.

Valoukaris, Tsipras and company were hard at work yesterday on finalizing plans for the immediate crisis. I have no doubt that Valoukaris resigning was part of that plan, to enable negotiations to go forward with a clean slate.

He played bad cop to Tsipras' good cop to get the Troika to the bargaining table in good faith instead of the shit they've been playing all along. It's all part of the negotiating game.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
50. That seems to be working well...
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jul 2015
"...I have no doubt that Valoukaris resigning was part of that plan, to enable negotiations to go forward with a clean slate."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141137591

No basis now for new debt talks with Greece: Germany
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
55. Well it's not 100% up to Germany. France made it clear they want them in. But it looks like the ECB
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jul 2015

(and Goldman) want them out.

It Begins: ECB Hikes Greek ELA Haircuts; Full "Depositor Bail-In" Sensitivity Analysis

Further confirmation that this was a haircut increase comes from Reuters reporting that the ECB will hike the haircut just enough to reduce the collateral on Greek banks to slighly above the current level of use which is about €90 billion. In other words, the ECB increased its haircut from roughly 50% to just about 60% above which level depositor bail ins begin.

Needless to say, this decision makes it quite clear that it was not Greece, but the ECB pushing all along for "burning the Greek bridges" - just as we warned in "Goldman's "Conspiracy Theory" Stunner: A Greek Default Is Precisely What The ECB Wants" - and as a result any chance of a compromise resolution with Greece may have just been, well, burned
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-06/it-begins-ecb-adjusts-greek-ela-haircuts-full-depositor-bail-sensitivity-analysis

One interesting point I read some weeks ago that Varoufakis wanted Greece to stay in; Tsipras wanted them out.

I'm wondering what the US ultimately will do. Nuland was there just a couple weeks ago; fomenting a color revolution perhaps? We have a track record of orchestrating coups and dictatorships when Greece elects a leftist government. Presumably we very much don't want them to turn to Russia and China.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
58. Their strategic geographic location, especially as the Middle East blows up just next door,
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jul 2015

means that any overtures to or from Russia or China would be firmly rebuffed, and by the EU first of all.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
60. if the EU throws them out then the EU doesn't get a choice
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jul 2015

which is why I don't believe they will throw them out.

That was my basic point to begin with -- the US definitely doesn't want to lose them to Russia or China.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
62. Oh, not to worry, they'll never be thrown out of the EU...unthinkable.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jul 2015

They ARE the birthplace of democracy, after all.

Out of the euro-zone? Not such a long shot.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
21. I suspect Varoufakis knows how ugly it is going to get..
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jul 2015

and also its going to become clear what he told the people was a big fat lie... so better to bail out now before the pitchforks come out.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
35. Your OP is tendentious. He was forced out by the troika.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jul 2015

When did you become the spokesperson for the troika?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
45. Wait, how could they force him out?
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jul 2015

I thought the Greeks were telling the Troika to piss off.

Or maybe it was just political theater?

Yanis knows exactly how ugly things will get. His resignation is an attempt, I think to attract the Troika back to the table.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
44. What make him a rat specifically?
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jul 2015

The fact that he resisted the troika's racketeering?
Or that he is a part of a left wing government?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
51. That he lied to his Greek constituents? That he played the
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jul 2015

grandstander and blowhard, using incendiary rhetoric, calling his negotiatoing partners "terrorists"?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
53. He lied in what way?
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jul 2015

He played the grandstander and blowhard in negotiations because that is what he was hired to do, go to bat for the Greeks.
And the Trioka are economic terrorists. Austerity is a form of economic warfare by banksters on the 99%.

So what now? more empty rhetoric?

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
47. You've got way too much time on your hands...
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jul 2015

Or an agenda. One or the other.

First there's the OP, and 18 responses to other people.

And worse, you quote USA Today like it's some kind of authority on anything. And please don't respond with the NY Times. They're not a whole lot better.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
49. Retired, on a fixed-income pension, paid in and pegged to the euro.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jul 2015

I pay my rent and keep food in my fridge with euros.

You could say this is of premier importance to us working-class Europeans who are in the front lines, yeah. If that's an "agenda", so be it.

As for USA Today, you could take any other source. The headlines were all of a piece. Just happened to fall upon that one first.

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