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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:31 AM Jul 2015

Sandra Bland Booking Documents, Voicemail Left From Jail Released

Source: ABC7

CHICAGO (WLS) -- The family of 28-year-old Sandra Bland, the Chicago-area woman found hanging in a Texas jail cell on July 13, three days after being arrested, spoke publicly for the first time Wednesday afternoon about newly-released dashcam footage.

The Waller County district attorney released six pages of medical forms Bland filled out after her arrest. In them, Bland checked "no" when asked the question "Are you thinking about killing yourself today?" But on the next line, when asked "Have you ever attempted suicide?", she checked "yes" and wrote in "2014", "lost baby" and "pills."

"We take issue with the notion that she was suffering from depression. She was not clinically diagnosed that this family understands. Everyone goes through hills and valleys," said Cannon Lambert Sr., Bland family attorney.


Read more: http://abc7chicago.com/news/sandra-blands-family-speaks-voicemail-left-from-jail-surfaces/871519/



They have also released a voicemail Sandra left for one of her friends.
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Sandra Bland Booking Documents, Voicemail Left From Jail Released (Original Post) pnwmom Jul 2015 OP
since when are people required to fill out medical forms in jail...esp w/no attorney present nt msongs Jul 2015 #1
Never been arrested but I imagine they have forms to fill out just like a doctors office does cstanleytech Jul 2015 #6
Just remember: Downwinder Jul 2015 #8
The report contains a copy of the audio-recording. You can listen to it for yourself. pnwmom Jul 2015 #2
Not suicidal. More likely homocide by the police to stop her from suing them to bankruptcy. freshwest Jul 2015 #4
The other possibility I can think of pnwmom Jul 2015 #5
She was hung, which makes those 2 theories moot. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #30
Not really. A sudden discontinuation of Keppra, her medication,is known to lead to suicidal thoughts pnwmom Jul 2015 #31
Maybe, but it seems far-fetched. She couldn't have missed more than a few dosages. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #32
That would constitute a "sudden discontinuation" and could lead to a fatal seizure or suicide. pnwmom Jul 2015 #33
I didn't know it was 3 whole days. You're theory hold water. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #34
In 50 years of driving, I've been stopped, maybe 6 times. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #3
Been stopped 2 times, once when i was learning to drive, nice black cop reminded me to turn on the cstanleytech Jul 2015 #7
Wow. How long have you been driving? pnwmom Jul 2015 #9
I'm 40+ do the math :P lol cstanleytech Jul 2015 #35
What is the first thing a cop says when he pulls you over? PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CAR n/t secondwind Jul 2015 #10
Naw, naw, naw, naw. I want that form VETTED by an independent investigator. Peace Patriot Jul 2015 #11
There are a couple things it said that I believe were true. pnwmom Jul 2015 #13
If I were a member of that family, I would request an independent autopsy. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #12
They arranged for one. The results were supposed to be announced yesterday. pnwmom Jul 2015 #14
Actually, very interesting. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #15
Like swelling in the brain. pnwmom Jul 2015 #16
If he wants a new autopsy then he didn't get the answer he wanted from the first one. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #17
Has the PD ever shown one of the "trash bags" that she allegedly "hung herself" with? GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #18
The didn't request another autopsy madville Jul 2015 #19
No, it was reported that they wanted the body back to do another autopsy. brush Jul 2015 #26
They say that is incorrect madville Jul 2015 #29
The family says one thing, he says another. I know who I believe. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #43
I think the family's attorney said that not the DA udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #42
How can someone manage to hang themselves with a broken shoulder? PADemD Jul 2015 #20
You guys should read this: Novara Jul 2015 #21
How does one hang oneself with a garbage bag while having a seizure? Hoppy Jul 2015 #22
During intake into jail, nearly every new inmate meets with a nurse Calista241 Jul 2015 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #24
If there is proof that she actually wrote that. mucifer Jul 2015 #27
Lawrence O'Donnell featured this last night on his show brush Jul 2015 #28
Possible she filled it out herself though or initialed part of it? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #36
The only audio I've heard is her call to her family . . . brush Jul 2015 #40
"If you have a link to another audio please post it." It was a question, not a statement. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #41
they are going to walk heaven05 Jul 2015 #25
Has it been verified chapdrum Jul 2015 #37
There appear to be conflicting reports. She was supposedly hanging with her feet on the ground. pnwmom Jul 2015 #38
Thank you chapdrum Jul 2015 #39
Booking documents are released 15-pages udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #44
Look how different her signature looks on the "Female Inmate Intake Form" pnwmom Jul 2015 #45
I see that udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #46
Yeah, I noticed the mistakes with the names. And there was a third instance pnwmom Jul 2015 #47

cstanleytech

(26,277 posts)
6. Never been arrested but I imagine they have forms to fill out just like a doctors office does
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:28 AM
Jul 2015

atleast for the basics of name and basic health information.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
8. Just remember:
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jul 2015

Anything you say or do, can and will be used against you.

Everything they do is intended to keep you off balance and disoriented. It is a war zone and you are a POW.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
2. The report contains a copy of the audio-recording. You can listen to it for yourself.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jul 2015

She doesn't sound suicidal to me.

"Hey this is me," Bland says in the message. "I'm, um, I just was able to see the judge. I don't really know. They got me set at a $5,000 bond. I'm still just at a loss for words with this whole process, how switching lanes with no signal turned into all of this, I don't even know. But I'm still here, so, I guess call me back when you can."

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. Not suicidal. More likely homocide by the police to stop her from suing them to bankruptcy.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:09 AM
Jul 2015

She was college educated, in the school band, worked with elderly people as a volunteer, had plenty of friends, was loving, very religious and honest about herself. And she as not about to accept being done the way they treated her. They knew they had a tiger by the tail.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
5. The other possibility I can think of
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:25 AM
Jul 2015

is that she sustained a serious head injury when they slammed her head against the ground. Remember her saying it had made her deaf?

It's not unusual for an untreated concussion to lead to death days later.

And yet another possibility is that she DID have epilepsy and she needed seizure medication and wasn't getting it while in jail.

They said that she refused medical treatment after they arrested her. That's hard to believe.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
31. Not really. A sudden discontinuation of Keppra, her medication,is known to lead to suicidal thoughts
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jul 2015

and patients are strongly warned about that.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
33. That would constitute a "sudden discontinuation" and could lead to a fatal seizure or suicide.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

Missing three days of that epilepsy medication is very serious.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
3. In 50 years of driving, I've been stopped, maybe 6 times.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:05 AM
Jul 2015

A few times I gave the cop plenty of attitude. I have NEVER been ordered out of my car. It's part of the privilege of being white. Yes, black lives matter!

cstanleytech

(26,277 posts)
7. Been stopped 2 times, once when i was learning to drive, nice black cop reminded me to turn on the
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:33 AM
Jul 2015

lights as I forgot and the 2nd was pulled over for speeding, didnt realize it happened as it was one of those steep hills they setup on so learned my lesson there and ever since have been far more careful when going downhill to watch the speed.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
9. Wow. How long have you been driving?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jul 2015

I have been stopped maybe half a dozen times, but only twice for an actual reason (once I was stopped for exceeding the speed limit and another time I was a day late getting the car re-registered).

At least a couple of times I think I was stopped for driving a beater in my parents' non-beater neighborhood. No explanation -- they just looked at my license and let me go on.

cstanleytech

(26,277 posts)
35. I'm 40+ do the math :P lol
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jul 2015

I tend to drive around the speed limit personally but it amazes me at times how stupidly fast some of these people drive regardless of sex, age or race I have seen black, white,asian, women, men, young, old all weaving in and out of traffic and speeding like they are rushing to a fire and doing stupid shit like passing me on solid double yellow when I am doing the speed limit on a 55 road for example.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
11. Naw, naw, naw, naw. I want that form VETTED by an independent investigator.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:12 AM
Jul 2015

After watching that video, I don't believe anything this cold-ass racist murdering police department has to say. The cop in that video was cold. COLD. He deliberately went about creating an incident, deliberately escalated it at every point, tried to drag her from her car when she had done nothing--nothing!--brutally, COLDLY handcuffed her, brutally, COLDLY hurt her in doing so, and brutally, COLDLY put her in jail where she was murdered. And he started concocting his lies in the middle of the incident.

No, no, no! I don't believe anything they say. I don't believe any forms they put forward. I don't believe any reports they concoct. This was coldass murder and the only question in my mind is, how many were involved?

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
13. There are a couple things it said that I believe were true.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:52 AM
Jul 2015

That she has epilepsy and that she was taking an epilepsy drug called Keppra.

However, that med was not listed among the items she checked in with.

And they had previously said she refused a check up by the doctor (which I doubt).

So I think they failed to give her her prescribed Keppra and she either died from seizures or from suicidal impulses caused by an abrupt withdrawal from Keppra -- both of which are known effects of sudden withdrawal from the drug.

Either way, they're at fault.

This is a common problem in jails by the way -- not giving inmates their prescription medications.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
14. They arranged for one. The results were supposed to be announced yesterday.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:53 AM
Jul 2015

But instead of hearing the results, we instead heard that the DA wants to do a new autopsy of his own.

Very strange.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. Actually, very interesting.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:04 AM
Jul 2015

They may have found an injury not typical of hanging or something else that would cause the town to face liability.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
16. Like swelling in the brain.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:08 AM
Jul 2015

Or a blood clot.

Or indications of a seizure.

Lots of possibilities. . . .and all their fault.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
17. If he wants a new autopsy then he didn't get the answer he wanted from the first one.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:59 AM
Jul 2015

Very strange.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
18. Has the PD ever shown one of the "trash bags" that she allegedly "hung herself" with?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:44 AM
Jul 2015

That just seems like the most obvious lie in this whole thing.

madville

(7,408 posts)
19. The didn't request another autopsy
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:34 AM
Jul 2015

They requested the body be preserved for further toxicology tests because the first ones came back with "substantial levels of marijuana". Not sure why that's relevant.

brush

(53,759 posts)
26. No, it was reported that they wanted the body back to do another autopsy.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jul 2015

That was last evening on the news.

madville

(7,408 posts)
29. They say that is incorrect
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jul 2015

"Meanwhile, Waller County District Attorney Elton Mathis told CBS News that reports he ordered a new autopsy are not true. However, he's asked that Bland's body be preserved after a toxicology report revealed a substantial amount of marijuana in her system at the time"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sandra-bland-texas-jail-cell-death-apparent-voicemail-reveals-frustration/

 

udbcrzy2

(891 posts)
42. I think the family's attorney said that not the DA
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

I watched the livestream today and the DA said when asked that he never asked for a 2nd autopsy. I also saw on MSNBC where the family attorney said that he received a text message from the DA requesting it. So, it's sort of confusing.

Either way, hands-down the family has a wrongful death case.

The DA is still investigating all of this. I had the impression that they were going to do something to the arresting officer, the death is an ongoing investigation.

I"m looking forward to seeing what they come up with. I don't think she belonged in jail for the citation and I don't think she assaulted the cop either from what I saw on the video.

The jail stuff is another thing and I am looking forward to hearing about that part.

I just wish someone could have gotten her out of jail before all this happened.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
20. How can someone manage to hang themselves with a broken shoulder?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:36 AM
Jul 2015

Bland spoke with her sister, Shante Needham, on Saturday, telling her she was injured during the arrest.

"She informed me she had been arrested. She said they couldn't tell her what she had been arrested for until an hour before she had called. She then proceeded to say the officer had put his knees in her back and that she thought her shoulder was broken," said Needham.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/naperville-woman-who-died-in-texas-jail-claimed-depression-ptsd/855439/

Novara

(5,838 posts)
21. You guys should read this:
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:42 AM
Jul 2015
Questions About the Sandra Bland Case

In it, he outlines a shit-ton of discrepancies and strange things about the case.

Sandra Bland was a threat to them. They stopped the wrong person. She knew her rights and she knew they were overstepping their legal authority all along the way. They even put her in a cell isolated from others. They knew what a threat she was to them. They knew she would take them down when she was released. I believe they killed her. And I think the Justice Department won't ever be able to definitively say that they did, and they'll not face any repercussions for it. And profiling black people will continue unabated.

I'm pessimistic.

Black Lives Matter.
 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
22. How does one hang oneself with a garbage bag while having a seizure?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:56 AM
Jul 2015

How do the effects of a concussion lead to hanging oneself with a garbage bag?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
23. During intake into jail, nearly every new inmate meets with a nurse
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:03 AM
Jul 2015

And they ask you all kinds of medical questions. It doesn't matter if you're there for a couple hours, or until you see a judge. The state is responsible for your care, and your medical needs are a part of that care.

Watch MSNBC nearly any weekend, and you can see this process happen when they're showing Jail.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

brush

(53,759 posts)
28. Lawrence O'Donnell featured this last night on his show
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jul 2015

He showed the alleged form from the Texas jail. It a sheet that had a series of checkboxes with hand-written marks on it.

There was no time stamp or any evidence that Sandra Bland checked the boxes herself.

In other words, that form could have been done at anytime, by anyone — even after she was killed to bolster the claim that she was suicidal.

Let's don't fall for the okie doke. Those racists killed that woman because she didn't "know her place" and was going to cause them trouble because of the bogus arrest.

cstanleytech

(26,277 posts)
36. Possible she filled it out herself though or initialed part of it?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

If so then they should get some handwriting analysis done on it to make sure its hers.
If its not her handwriting though what about video tape footage of her booking with audio?

brush

(53,759 posts)
40. The only audio I've heard is her call to her family . . .
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jul 2015

on which she seemed perfectly normal and not by any means suicidal.

If you have a link to another audio please post it.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
25. they are going to walk
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:37 AM
Jul 2015

9 times out of ten, if the "alleged criminal" is POC, they have walked in the last three years of high profile street and jail executions. This is really getting to the point where when I read something about an LEO getting killed, perp guilty or not, I could give a damn less.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
37. Has it been verified
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jul 2015

that she was "found hanging," or is this ABC doing the expected thing, i.e., knee-jerk promotion of the police account?

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
38. There appear to be conflicting reports. She was supposedly hanging with her feet on the ground.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jul 2015
 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
39. Thank you
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jul 2015

Now we learn that she purportedly consumed a large quantity of cannabis while in custody.
Wonder what's next.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
45. Look how different her signature looks on the "Female Inmate Intake Form"
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

than on all the others.

This is the form where someone has circled "no" to all the questions, including one asking whether she takes any medications.

(On the suicide assessment form it says that she reported having epilepsy -- as she did on the video -- and said she took Keppra.)

Also, there is a medical records release form that they had her sign -- which says it is necessary for her continuity of care -- IOW, they need her doctor to provide medical records so they know what treatment she might need, including medications. HOWEVER this form doesn't include any doctor's name. It doesn't appear to have been sent to anyone.

 

udbcrzy2

(891 posts)
46. I see that
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jul 2015

It also has her name as Annette (which is her middle name). I thought that was odd.
Page #7 it asks Are you on any medication: NO (what about the Keppra?)

I thought the DA said the autopsy will be available to view by the public tomorrow. I'm not sure what the status is of the families independent one, but I'm pretty sure they will release theirs too.

I guess this is the beginning of what is going to happen. I really do believe something is going to happen to the officer and then the investigation of the jail death. I saw where the media spoke to one of the inmates, but you have to know that there are more than one person in that jail. Maybe we'll get more information as this goes along.

There will be two cases going on. A criminal and a civil. I know the wheels of justice move very slowly.

That DA also said that they are waiting for the rest of the toxicology results and should get within 2-3 weeks. That sounds right to me.

adding: Page 8 has her name as Annette without Sandra on it as well.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
47. Yeah, I noticed the mistakes with the names. And there was a third instance
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jul 2015

where they started to write Anne and then crossed it out.

You wonder how many other mix-ups they had.

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