Indian sisters to be raped as 'punishment' for brother eloping

[Liberal_in_LA]

Source: telegraph

Two sisters in India - one aged only 15-years - are to be raped as "punishment" for their brother running away with a married woman from a higher caste in the latest caste to shock the country.
Meenakshi Kumari, who is 23, and her younger sister, will then be paraded naked with their faces blackened through the streets, according to a ruling from the all-male village council.
The sisters have petitioned the country's Supreme Court to be protected from the so-called "eye-for-an-eye" ruling from the village council in Uttar Pradesh state, 30 miles from the capital Delhi.
The family are from the Dalit caste, historically known as "untouchables". However, the brother fell in love with a woman from the higher, Jat, caste.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11832399/Indian-sisters-to-be-raped-as-punishment-for-brother-eloping.html

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"These Khap courts routinely order vile sexually violent punishments against women. India's supreme court has rightly declared such orders illegal.

[appalachiablue]

1. The horror of mankind is enfless. Jat Sikhs, Dalit castes.

[weissmam]

2. how about someonw posts a threat

for anyone that touches them ?

[SoapBox]

3. What the fucking hell?

Go in with an entire ARMY and extract the girls.

And castrate anyone that tries to stop saving them.

What the FUCK!

[SusanCalvin]

8. In a rational world, yep. nt

[Binkie The Clown]

10. We must respect their cultural values.

That what everyone tells me when I criticize a Muslim for saying or doing something outrageous.

[iandhr]

34. +1

[oberliner]

23. Happens in many countries with great frequency

Sad, but true.

[Binkie The Clown]

4. The human race is a blight on this planet. n/t

[SusanCalvin]

6. Not all, but possibly the majority. nt

[Binkie The Clown]

9. But to single out the truly good humans is elitist.

And that's not P.C.

To be egalitarian and politically correct we need to lump everyone into the same category and call them all worthless. Myself included. Any hedging on that position is discrimination, and we all know discrimination is bad.

[jtuck004]

11. Who would do the singling? Europeans who live on top of the genocide their forefathers committed,

the slavery we all profited from?

That ought to be a hoot.

[Judi Lynn]

32. Thanks for the intelligent post. It was sorely needed. n/t

[Binkie The Clown]

35. When rule by a gang of hoodlums becomes the norm...

you stop calling them "hoodlums" and start calling them "royalty", and you stop calling it "extortion" and start calling it "taxation", and you stop calling them "strongmen" "henchmen" and start calling them "the police".

[leftynyc]

48. I think we can start with stuff

ALL of us SHOULD be able to agree on. Like rape of sisters for ANY reason, let alone as punishment for a crime not theirs, is barbaric, uncivilized evil. I have Zero problem making a call like that.

[roamer65]

56. Don't worry, Binkie.

The human race will solve the problem of itself quite soon enough. No weapon we have developed has ever gone completely unused.

[Reter]

62. The animal kingdom rapes far more than humans

They are not innocent by any means.

[Binkie The Clown]

63. There are just fewer huge concentrations of animals

And they have not yet learned how to mechanize their depredations.

[pnwmom]

5. I don't understand why the legal government hasn't already stopped this.

They should be throwing the entire "village council" into jail.

[struggle4progress]

16. Maybe you can get some insight by asking similar questions about some US stories. Here's a case

in which local officials, openly defying a direct order from the US Supreme Court, handed a man over to a lynch mob:

A Supreme Case of Contempt
JUN 02, 2009 04:50 AM CDT
BY MARK CURRIDEN

[pnwmom]

17. Wow. You're trying to excuse this by comparing it to events of 100 years ago.

As if India hasn't moved into the modern world. That's insulting to India.

The Indians I'm close to are horrified by stories like this, and they don't try to excuse them by pointing to things that happened in other countries over a hundred years ago.

In case you haven't figured it out by now, that story was written in 2009 about an event that occurred in 1909.

[struggle4progress]

19. I'm not excusing it at all; nor am I ridiculing India. Lynch law in the US persisted

into my lifetime, despite the widespread horror such events produced in much of this country; and there are many people, older than I, still alive, who have graphic personal memories of local refusals to acknowledge the legitimacy of Federal authority here, as opposed to prevailing "custom"

The United States is a very large country, which has had enormous social differences, and the Federal authority here, limited from the beginning and further challenged by the violence of the civil war and the reconstruction era, was not really consolidated until WWII. Some of this broad history and social structure resembles that of India; and so understanding political conditions in one case might shed light on political conditions in another

[pnwmom]

20. Why did you post that with a 2009 date, so that a casual observer would think it happened then?

I would have reacted with the same horror if that story had occurred here, in 2015, and there are atrocities all of us react to in the US everyday.

But we don't have informal village councils here that can decide to put innocent people to death or sentence them to rape -- under cover of "justice." And it is reasonable to ask why India does, now, in 2015. They aren't living in the dark ages and their legal system should prosecute self-appointed vigilantes, just as we should -- and do-- here.

[struggle4progress]

38. The similarities are genuine:

India and the US both rely on an English common law inherited from the colonial period

Both cases have been brought to the attention of the country's supreme court

One practical issue is the authority of the central government as opposed to ad hoc local practice

In both stories, locals seek punishment of parties entirely innocent of the supposed offense (which is sexual in nature)

The local punishments have the character of spectacles: the punishments include parading the victims and displays of them naked

I do not know full details of the Johnson lynching, but sexual assaults on lynching victims in the US seem to have been quite common, and the local judgment in your OP includes sexual assault on the victims

From the article I posted: “<T>he one thing that has been most difficult to teach is respect for the law. We had to learn it the hard way. There is no better example, there is no clearer symbolic pre­cedent of establishing and enforcing the rule of law than this case.”

[pnwmom]

40. But again, you are comparing events from 100 years ago to events now.

In other respects India has moved into the 21st century. Despite India's poverty, they have a Democratic government along with modern communication systems and the Internet, and they teach advanced science and math in modern universities.

Their justice system shouldn't support vigilante village councils.

[SusanCalvin]

7. Why I won't retire to India,

no matter how many people tell me I should.

[trillion]

57. We've still got backwards people in this country. It they could get away with it, fundy churches

would start doing this.

[SusanCalvin]

60. That is absolutely true.

There are many areas of the US I wouldn't want to live in.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

12. Parade the members of the village council through the streets naked....

And arm the population with squirt guns filled with Liquid Heat.

[freshwest]

13. They transfer the punishment for a brain addled tradition on someone else who did nothing! WTF? n/t

[Syzygy321]

21. The thinking is: "you shamed me by touching

(eloping with) our female property; now we will shame you by raping your female property."

The female property has no rights and isn't quite considered human. The girls are objects - vessels that transmit shame. The point is to shame and disgrace the boy's family, I think.

[smirkymonkey]

41. Sick, sick culture.

These innocent young women have done nothing, yet they are being punished. WTF?

[McCamy Taylor]

14. Boycott India. Only economic pressure will force change.

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. Well, if we're going to boycott an atrocious country

let's start with Saudi Arabia.

[treestar]

27. India doesn't sanction it

Whether they will do something about it is one thing, but the article made clear they don't sanction it as a nation.

We too have people doing things that US law does not sanction.

[Syzygy321]

43. India (the government) doesn't try to stop it either&#1584;.

It's like rape in the US military. You think the senior officers couldn't stop ninety percent of it in three minutes if they wanted to?

So yes. The government is culpable.

BTW an Indian pol said a year ago that female rape victims should be punished just like their assailants.

[treestar]

45. One Indian pol?

We have at least one ppl that thinks only some rupees are legitimate.

It is not standard there in spite of the attempt to paint it that way

[Syzygy321]

46. ?? I don't understand your post.

[treestar]

49. Lol

Rapes the pol says are legit or not. I blame my phone. Lol. And it so happens to be India

[Sherman A1]

15. Sad

Simply Sad........

[emsimon33]

18. I have traveled and lived all over the world

And if there is one hell hole on Earth, it is India. The atrocities and the filth and corruption are overwhelming.

[COLGATE4]

29. I agree, except Afghanistan is only nominally a

country. More a collection of tribes who are stuck in the 1500's.

[Thinkingabout]

26. These actions are the terrorists Hillary is referring, she has been along time advocate for violence

against women world wide. This is terror, this should never be happening. There are situations occurring in the US also, we can not get on a high horse and proclaim other nations should be boycotted. A father kills his daughters in the US, young girls are being raped because their cult thinks it is okay to do this, states are trying to enact laws which can put women in jail because they have a miscarriage, WTH, we are supposed to be civilized.

[Syzygy321]

44. Did you mean "advocate AGAINST violence

against women worldwide?"

That's actually my main reason for loving her. As SOS she didn't just meet with men at the top of the food chain; she met with teachers and farmers and activists, and her strong emphasis was equality.

Time and again it has been demonstrated that the surest route out of poverty and instability for any country is education and equality for women. Clinton can't force that on other countries, but at least she gives a damn. And that would make her the first president who does.

[treestar]

28. The horrible thing about this kind of thing is

who does the raping? Is that some sort of earned honor?

[d_r]

54. i would guess

the all-male village council that voted for it

[treestar]

55. Probably

Even then there are likely few men who could do this. It would have to be the village psychopaths.

[trillion]

58. Agreed. The sociopaths are perverts too. Look at their decision.

[lonestarnot]

30. Heinous atrocity that something should be punished severely if it is carried out. Don't they do

shit like this all the time? This is their fucking normal.

[iandhr]

33. Makes you want to puke

How horrible

[Dont call me Shirley]

36. And the all out assault on women continues. Hasn't 5000 years or so been long enough, Ladies?

Time for a massive worldwide revolt by women of this barbaric patriarchal system.

[smirkymonkey]

42. +1000

So tired of hearing about shit like this. Why are so many men so awful to so many women? Not all men, but too many.

[Coventina]

37. I hate my species.

[Liberal_in_LA]

47. we have to put our rage towards pressure on the Indian government

To block this barbaric action

[Dont call me Shirley]

61. It's not all, even many, Coventina, who are misery-creating jerks. Most of us are good. That

being said, the misery-creating jerks scream louder and cause way too much damage for the rest of us.

[Syzygy321]

39. This is why I hate hearing Americans claim

"The RW are like the Taliban" or "The Repub war on women is just like sharia law."

I always think of things like this - of the massive injustice built into law and culture in many regions. And I think hyperbole like that (often seen in liberal circles) minimizes the real and huge problems of women around the world. And makes US women sound like utterly clueless whiners.

We have our problems and should fight like hell. But the worst Republican is a 100 times better than what the Taliban or Indian tribal law or Sharia law forces on women.

[leftynyc]

50. I agree with your larger point that

Many here use language that is careless about saying our fundies are just as bad but if I've done it it's because I mean anyone who wants to rely on a holy book to force their version of what morality is onto the rest of us is no different than groups like the Taliban (why the fuck autocorrect capitalizes that is beyond me) in that regard. Those who deflect from what these woman and many others go through everyday by making moronic comparisons make me want to vomit.

[atreides1]

51. The RW doesn't control the country!

And as long as the Republicans and their religious fanatic allies are denied control, this country will be moderately safe!

But don't think that they wouldn't be doing the same thing as the Taliban, if they could do it legally...don't think that they wouldn't change the laws if they could...and don't think that they wouldn't be locking people up in camps!

And I respectfully disagree with you...the worst Republican has the potential to be 1000 times worse then the Taliban and ISIL combined!

[Syzygy321]

53. No

[trillion]

59. Actually the rightwing are. Open your eyes, the issue with EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD

is the right wing. This sicko village counsel is part of indias right wing. When it comes to it, across the board, they all have a murderous and perverted underlying theme. They all agree with each other. Listen to what they say. The American Right Wing is saying the same things as Russia's Right, Saudi Arabia's right, etc. And all are racists as well as sexists. The hate groups across the world are the Extreme right - including Germany and Greece's NAZI parties, as well as the US's. Don't ever under-estimate what the US right wing would do if they could. The republican men will commit a genocide of all other races, given a chance. And they will do horrible things to women, given a chance. It's only ever been the left minded people who have stopped them from going so far.
If you read up on Rowanda you would understand that the current US right is doing the exact same hate propaganda that the right wing of Rowanda did and it only leads to genocide. That's the aim of our current right wing. It's that little "race" war they keep talking about.They're serious. They want open season on everyone not Christian White and they will if they can.

[DonCoquixote]

52. ah the brics

Russia, Brazil, India, China, all these bastions of decency civilization and human rights that the Guardian UK is happy are taking over the world.