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mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:40 AM Oct 2015

New Horizons leader on Pluto: We get an A for exploration, but an F for predictions

Source: Orlando Sentinel

The fiirst science paper to describe Pluto and its satellites after the New Horizons flyby has been released, just three months after the NASA spacecraft made its historic encounter with the dwarf-planet system. The paper, published in Science, presents Pluto as a world of mystery and extremes, with high mountains, steep cliffs and glaciers of frozen nitrogen leaving paths across the planet's surface.

Parts of Pluto are pockmarked with large craters, but there are also vast smooth plains that suggest the petite planet may still be geologically active -- something scientists did not anticipate and cannot yet explain. "We searched for craters [on the plains], and there are none," said Alan Stern of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo., who is the principal investigator for the New Horizons mission. "That means that it was created yesterday on geological time scales."

For most icy satellites in our solar system, the resurfacing that would erase evidence of old impact craters is associated with heat generated by the gravitational push and pull of their host planets. But the researchers say that explanation does not work for Pluto. "It is really puzzling that it is still active," said Stern, who is also the first author on the paper. "We don't know how to make that happen."

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"We get an A for exploration, but an F for properly predicting what we'd see," he said.

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/go-for-launch/la-sci-sn-pluto-science-paper-20151012-story.html



In my humble opinion, otherwise unexplained geological life implies terraforming microbial life.

I think that Pluto is infested with microbes, and that those microbes are transforming Pluto so that it becomes more and more habitable for microbial life.
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New Horizons leader on Pluto: We get an A for exploration, but an F for predictions (Original Post) mhatrw Oct 2015 OP
Interesting Tom Kitten Oct 2015 #1
It has a unusually extended atmosphere.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #2
Wow. That is unusual. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #3
That's an *extremely* thin atmosphere, due to the low mass --> weak gravitational field. eppur_se_muova Oct 2015 #8
There are sandstorms on Mars and it has a thin atmosphere.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #9
When I was in university I went to a debate about space exploration Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2015 #4
I think an "F" would be rather harsh. We haven't exactly explored enough objects to assure that... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #5
Planet? ;) gvstn Oct 2015 #14
I knew that was coming. :) BlueJazz Oct 2015 #15
I still think of it as a planet. gvstn Oct 2015 #17
Quite true. I remember seeing it when I was a boy through my 12 inch. (in Australia) BlueJazz Oct 2015 #20
Gawd, going to Australia is on my very short bucket list. gvstn Oct 2015 #22
Life, not as we know it, that lives in very cold places... hunter Oct 2015 #6
The experiment where they produced the building blocks of protein from primordial conditions.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #10
Gravitational interaction sometime in Pluto's past.... paleotn Oct 2015 #7
given life's track record, they may as well be making it increasingly less habitable for themselves MisterP Oct 2015 #11
Only one species on earth has ever done that, as far as we know. mhatrw Oct 2015 #12
hey, found another MisterP Oct 2015 #13
LOL. We can thank the oxygen "catastrophe" for all multicellular life. mhatrw Oct 2015 #16
eh, just hide in one of the new cells and provide them with ATP MisterP Oct 2015 #18
From each according to his ability ... mhatrw Oct 2015 #19
Alan Stern did a talk at the university that I work for, about ten days ago daleo Oct 2015 #21

Tom Kitten

(7,350 posts)
1. Interesting
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:01 AM
Oct 2015

Your concept about Pluto reminds me of a world described in the novel The Reefs of Space, by Frederick Pohl, described better than I could here http://urbanhonking.com/spacecanon/2009/08/19/the_reefs_of_space/

Truly fascinating, like a "fairyland"...I also think along the same lines concerning the oceans of Europa, the fountains of Enceladus...

eppur_se_muova

(36,299 posts)
8. That's an *extremely* thin atmosphere, due to the low mass --> weak gravitational field.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:18 PM
Oct 2015

The stronger the gravity, the steeper the pressure gradient in the atmosphere. Any wind on pluto will be unlikely to be perceptible. And only a few substances will be gasses at those temperatures.

You can safely assume the color/density scale on those two diagrams is NOT the same.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. There are sandstorms on Mars and it has a thin atmosphere....
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

I was thinking over millions of years it could explain why small craters could fade.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
4. When I was in university I went to a debate about space exploration
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:44 AM
Oct 2015

Manned vs. Unmanned, Mars probes vs. everything else. There was a woman there very stridently arguing that exploration of Pluto was ridiculous given Voyager had recently visited Neptune's moon Triton and one tiny frozen rock on the edge of the solar system was as good as any other, so Mars, Mars, Mars, rah, rah, rah.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
5. I think an "F" would be rather harsh. We haven't exactly explored enough objects to assure that...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:11 AM
Oct 2015

..our predictions are going to be anywhere accurate.
The fun thing is, Pluto turned out to be a very cool planet in more ways than one.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
15. I knew that was coming. :)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:17 PM
Oct 2015

I'll let it be a planet..in my mind..until we people who looked at it when young, through home-made telescopes, die.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
17. I still think of it as a planet.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:26 PM
Oct 2015

But I have to say that it not rotating on a normal orbital plane, sort of convinces me that it might be something other than a planet.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
20. Quite true. I remember seeing it when I was a boy through my 12 inch. (in Australia)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:45 PM
Oct 2015

Not sure if I could still see it today with the same scope....light pollution and all that.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
22. Gawd, going to Australia is on my very short bucket list.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:51 PM
Oct 2015

The sky looks amazing. I'm in the Northeast USA and there is where light pollution really takes hold.

Australia looks beautiful in every picture that I've seen, big bugs and all!

hunter

(38,328 posts)
6. Life, not as we know it, that lives in very cold places...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:09 AM
Oct 2015

...why not?

There's a lot more cold places in the universe than the narrow range of temperatures our sort of life requires.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. The experiment where they produced the building blocks of protein from primordial conditions....
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

They tried substituting gasses and stimuli and got the same results.

Life is probably abundant in the universe.

I keep hoping a Mars lander finds a fossil of a something that looks like a snail shell.

I can picture all the right wing preachers squeezing their eyes shut and speaking in tongues now.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
7. Gravitational interaction sometime in Pluto's past....
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

...before it settled into its nice, stable mean-motion resonance with Neptune . Or remnants of its collision with some other object that might have created its moons. Who knows?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
11. given life's track record, they may as well be making it increasingly less habitable for themselves
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
13. hey, found another
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:35 PM
Oct 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_catastrophe

but the big shift in thinking about the Outer System already happened with Voyager, when they found cryovolcanism at Uranus when they expected dead cratered moonlets; OTOH a Neptune resonance may be too weak to give Pluto that much warmth: off to the spectrographs!

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
16. LOL. We can thank the oxygen "catastrophe" for all multicellular life.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

And that name was coined before we understood horizontal gene transfer. Once one microbe evolves to metabolize in an oxygen rich environment, word gets around.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
21. Alan Stern did a talk at the university that I work for, about ten days ago
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:49 PM
Oct 2015

Great speaker, fascinating subject, New Horizons.

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