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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:01 PM Nov 2015

Noah's Ark theme park in Kentucky to open July 2016: founder

Source: Yahoo! News / Reuters

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (Reuters) - A controversial Noah's Ark-themed amusement park in Kentucky will open on July 7, 2016 and should attract 1.4 million people annually, the park's founder said on Thursday.

Currently under construction in Williamstown, northern Kentucky, Ark Encounter will include a full-sized wooden replica of the ship from the Biblical story of Noah and the great flood.

Ken Ham, president and chief executive of Answers in Genesis, the Christian organization behind the project, announced the opening date at a press conference and said the park will be able to accommodate 16,000 guests per day.

"It'll certainly be one of the biggest Christian attractions in the world," he said from the site of the park.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/noahs-ark-theme-park-kentucky-open-july-2016-175428786.html

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Noah's Ark theme park in Kentucky to open July 2016: founder (Original Post) Little Tich Nov 2015 OP
Lol. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #1
All about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #2
They might get 400K the first year, after that no more than 100K / year FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #3
and they elect a governor who promises to dismantle their health care setup Skittles Nov 2015 #4
How do you think they're paying for the park? tzar paul Nov 2015 #10
How did that Creation Museum go? Rogue Democrat Nov 2015 #5
Sadly, it was a smashing success. (eom) StevieM Nov 2015 #7
Great article on this.... FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #6
thank you for this information. would you post it as its own OP so that we can rec it? niyad Nov 2015 #8
I have some info on this topic FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #13
you are most welcome. most definitely interested. niyad Nov 2015 #15
fire, flood, pestilence, plague???? one can hope, yes? niyad Nov 2015 #9
The good Dr. C is going to OxQQme Nov 2015 #11
That just made me throw up in my mouth a little. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #12
Why was it professionally built? Didn't Ken Ham have faith in God's guidance? brooklynite Nov 2015 #14
Have they announced a rain date? Tab Nov 2015 #16
Have they opened a Sodom and Gomorrah theme park yet? milestogo Nov 2015 #17
Can we just force Kentucky to secede? smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #18
Want to see this creationist tourist trap 5 years from now? Archae Nov 2015 #19
it drives me a bit crazy to see suich investment like this go to hell dembotoz Nov 2015 #20
The tommy and james at your link murielm99 Nov 2015 #21
All you need to do is look at where Jim Bakker is now, to know how corrupt he is. Archae Nov 2015 #23
I don't like any of them. murielm99 Nov 2015 #24
I even detest Billy Graham. Archae Nov 2015 #26
interesting Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #31
Not much of a business person. Put the damn thing on the coast, and as the jtuck004 Nov 2015 #22
Didn't that other religious theme park that opened up a few years ago, file bankruptcy and close? notadmblnd Nov 2015 #25
Yup, I posted a couple guys who went to Heritage about 10 years ago... Archae Nov 2015 #27
Look at the link in post #19. murielm99 Nov 2015 #29
"It'll certainly be one of the biggest Christian attractions in the world" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2015 #28
Excellent point about... 3catwoman3 Nov 2015 #30
It will ne featured on a BuzzFeed list of 'Abandoned Amusement Parks' in 5 years' time. NT Earth_First Nov 2015 #32
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
1. Lol.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:03 PM
Nov 2015

Smart business people. They know what it sells. We have Holy Land in FL, and its always busy there from what I heard.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
3. They might get 400K the first year, after that no more than 100K / year
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:11 PM
Nov 2015

Kentucky taxpayers will be footing a huge bill.

I'd feel sorry for them, but they are got what they asked for.

 

tzar paul

(50 posts)
10. How do you think they're paying for the park?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:39 PM
Nov 2015

"You don't need health care, Jimmy, because Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus will provide everything you need once you die!"

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
6. Great article on this....
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:25 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/11/11/what-ken-ham-isnt-telling-you-about-ark-encounter-funding/

What Ken Ham Isn’t Telling You About Ark Encounter Funding

To say the funding on Ken Ham‘s biblically themed Ark Encounter amusement park has been vague would be an understatement. After losing $18.25 million in sales tax incentives for discriminatory hiring, it seems clear why Answers in Genesis wouldn’t want Kentucky taxpayers to know what we dug up.

Last month, I attended a Northern Kentucky Chamber of Commerce meeting where Ham and his Answers in Genesis board members were presenting the latest news and projections for their Ark Encounter project. Like most of us who have been monitoring the project funding, I was curious to catch some insight about the massive gap that exists between donations collected and total amount needed.
During the hour-long spiel that could best be described as an Ark Park pep rally, Ham rattled off hyped attendance projections and encouraged anyone with investment money to snatch up nearby commercial land. I learned that the construction was well under way in Williamstown, a rural area 45 minutes south of the Creation Museum, where the ministry had purchased 800 acres of land. He talked about the ark’s dimensions, the source of the timber being used, and other trivial notes — but barely touched on the topic of funding sources. Sandwiched somewhere in his tourism excitement, he breezed by the words “TIF district,” but said his lawyers really knew more than him, and quickly moved on. That’s when my ears perked up.

It wasn’t until the Q&A that an attendee asked if Ham could say more about the funding. Ham said the first phase of the project required $91.5 million before opening for business. To date, around $24 million has been raised in donations, an undisclosed amount has been made off of selling lifetime admission packages called “Boarding Passes,” and there’s $62 million in bond offerings. (Whether he had sold all those bonds wasn’t clear from his remarks.)

Around the time he debated Bill Nye on evolution in early 2014, Ken Ham was heavily pushing the sale of Ark bonds, and many speculated the timing of the debate was strategically coordinated to promote them. There were no follow ups at the recent event to say the bond sales were a success, and it remained a grey area for those of us trying to identify where the funding was coming from.
This is where the TIF comes in.

What is a TIF?
I myself was unfamiliar with TIF districts until a few weeks ago. But let me attempt a simple explanation: TIF stands for “Tax Increment Financing” and they’re usually issued in urban areas that are considered “blighted.” For example, suppose there was an abandoned shopping mall in a deteriorating community. A TIF can be set up to attract developers whose businesses may revitalize the area. The district officials could, for example, give the developers interest-free loans to build their project based on what they expect they can retrieve in property taxes over the next 30 years. That’s it. The developers don’t have to do anything differently from if they hadn’t been issued the TIFs at all. But now, rather than the property taxes going back to the community, the tax revenue is diverted to pay off the loan.

This can be a great help to the local economy if the development is a long-term success — it’s money well invested. The downside is, if the new developments fall short of projections (or fail entirely), the developers aren’t held liable for repayment and the burden of debt falls on the investors and taxpayers.

TIFs are controversial for a number of reasons and they’ve been discontinued in California, the first U.S. state to implement their use, because of the numerous lawsuits they led to (not to mention other unintended consequences).

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
13. I have some info on this topic
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:46 PM
Nov 2015

I may gather it all up and make it it's own topic since you showed some interest.

Thanks.

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)
14. Why was it professionally built? Didn't Ken Ham have faith in God's guidance?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:49 PM
Nov 2015

As I understand it, a 700 year old man and his sons put it all together with iron age tools.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. Can we just force Kentucky to secede?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:25 PM
Nov 2015

And then declare war on them?

Sorry, on edit: You Democrats can come on over to a blue state before we do that.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
20. it drives me a bit crazy to see suich investment like this go to hell
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:14 AM
Nov 2015

some obviously beyound rehab but still

we waste so much and conserve so little

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
21. The tommy and james at your link
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:57 AM
Nov 2015

mention "The Eyes of Tammy Faye."

Have you seen that? It will give you a different view of things.

Have you ever seen the picture of Falwell going down the water slide in his suit? Chilling. He really was out to destroy the Bakkers.

Archae

(46,335 posts)
23. All you need to do is look at where Jim Bakker is now, to know how corrupt he is.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:17 AM
Nov 2015

Not was.

Bakker is back on the air, saying that the US is going to be destroyed by God, (of course,) and naturally, he just happens to sell all the overpriced freeze-dried food you'll need for after the Rapture and apocalypse.

Jerry Falwell was just as corrupt, he even literally hugged "Reverend" Moon when Moon bailed out Falwell's ministry.
Falwell's brat said his Dad never meant that halfassed "apology" he made after saying anyone he didn't like "caused 9-11."
Falwell began his ministry using his electronic pulpit to justify racism, he sold the "Clinton Chronicles" from his pulpit, Hollywood could not create a character like him, corrupt, sanctimonious, self-righteous, bigoted, theocratic and so deceptive even his wife didn't trust him.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
24. I don't like any of them.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:20 AM
Nov 2015

I have seen some updates on Bakker.

I wonder how Pat Robertson has lived so long. He is just as bad. My dad used to like him. Unbelievable.

Gullible people will follow anyone.

Have you ever seen Jim Bakker's son? He is a minister, too.

Archae

(46,335 posts)
26. I even detest Billy Graham.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:33 AM
Nov 2015

Billy Graham led one movement to make sure JFK wasn't elected since he was Catholic, and denied his involvement in this until memos proving his activities were found.

He also lied about agreeing with Nixon that "Jews controlled the media" until one of the Nixon tapes had him saying just that, so he just made excuses.

His brat Franklin is a vicious anti-gay and anti-Muslim punk.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
22. Not much of a business person. Put the damn thing on the coast, and as the
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:06 AM
Nov 2015

glaciers melt it will flood every few years. You could charge extra for the new ride...

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
25. Didn't that other religious theme park that opened up a few years ago, file bankruptcy and close?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:32 AM
Nov 2015

Was it called Heritage USA?

Archae

(46,335 posts)
27. Yup, I posted a couple guys who went to Heritage about 10 years ago...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:34 AM
Nov 2015

It's a ghost town.

And there are creationist tourist traps all over the US.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
29. Look at the link in post #19.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:38 AM
Nov 2015

It shows how Heritage USA looks now. Read a bit about Falwell's later involvement in it, and find the picture of Falwell going down the water slide.

I wish someone would rehab that place and open it as a secular park. It is a blight and a danger to the area.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

28. "It'll certainly be one of the biggest Christian attractions in the world"
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:37 AM
Nov 2015

Yeah, because the Crucifixion and Resurrection was like, so yesterday.

And the fact that Noah's story is in the Old Testament and has nothing to do with Christ (at least as far as I understand it) is totally inconsequential insofar as this being a "Christian attraction."

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