Poll: Dems love Clinton more than Sanders

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: The Hill

Democrats personally like Hillary Clinton much more than Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a new poll finds.

Clinton has a 29-point lead over Sanders in favorability among self-identified Democrats, according to a Washington Post/ABC News survey released Friday.

Clinton has an 83 percent favorability rating, versus 54 percent for Sanders. The Dem front-runner's unfavorability is at 14 percent with Sanders at 25 percent. Another 3 percent have no opinion of the former first lady, with 21 percent having no opinion of Sanders.

Sanders is enjoying an 18-point increase in popularity since this summer among Democrats but still trails far behind Clinton.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260042-poll-dems-love-clinton-more-than-sanders

[Helen Borg]

1. But what if there is a Hillary scandal?

[George II]

3. If there is, just throw it in the drawer with the dozens of other fake "scandals".

[randys1]

9. Well, considering there is a machine out there trying to invent one, you can be sure

there will be one.

The email non scandal may not do what Karl needed it to do, Benghazi backfired, so what is next?

Be sure of one thing, all the rights you have right now, the life you have, the freedoms you have, the things you take for granted like weekends off or a minimum wage or a right to govern what happens to your own body, are all going to disappear if the Hillary Hate machine wins.

Sure, if Bernie is nominated and wins, moot.

But, if he doesnt, your ass is on the line, trust me.

[riversedge]

15. Into the dustpan it goes-out with all the other garbage.

[riversedge]

2. Yup, its LOVE. Love Love

LOVE that Headline




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[bahrbearian]

4. But what about America?

[riversedge]

16. America will do great with Madam President Clinton

[turbinetree]

5. Those are reliable......................

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one is owned by two oligarchies -----------------Jeff Bezo's and Disney.

So, if I do the math 83+54 =113 favorability-----------go figure


I just corrected my addition it should have said 137, my dyslectic occurred---sorry


Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

7. I'm not a mathematician, but isn't the result 137?

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. Math is hard

[Adrahil]

17. Math is a tool of the corporate third-way elites! nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

40. No, that's called statistis. Math favors liberals.

[Bubzer]

45. +1

[turbinetree]

29. I just saw ..................

my mistake folks, -------------------------Fat fingers

[whatthehey]

8. What the hell does trying to add favorability numbers mean to you?

Because it means fuck all in reality. You do know I hope that it's possible to like or be favorably inclined towards more than one person, right? If I were polled I would certainly fall into that group. I like and have favorable opinions of both of them. All it means is 83 % like HRC and 54% like BS. Presumably there are plenty who like both, some who like neither and some who like one but not the other. Adding up any of those categories is mathematical nonsense that tells us nothing.

[olegramps]

49. You fail to understand that a person could like both candidates.

[jmowreader]

74. They're not mutually exclusive

The people who were polled fall into one of four categories: those who like neither - a combination of O'Malley purists and people who don't like anyone we've put forth - those who like both (or all three, since Martin O'Malley is still in the game), and those who like either only Bernie, only Martin or only Hillary. "Who would you vote for?" wasn't asked, but it would have reduced the numbers below 100 percent.

The fun one would be a similar survey on the GOP side - there are at least a dozen Repukes who want to be president bad enough to run for it, and most Repuke-leaning voters like several different candidates right now. (The preferred combination in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, seems to be Trump-Carson-Cruz-Paul.) "The survey says the GOP field has a 382-percent favorability rating..."

[ruffburr]

6. Who the heck do they poll?-

Affluent blue dog Dem's ?

[Freddie Stubbs]

38. 318 self-identified Democrats via cell and landline phone from Nov. 4-8 in English and Spanish

[Bubzer]

10. A 318 person sampling is far from representative of an entire country.

There are also no indicators where the sampling came from.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. What would be the correct size of a sample if you wanted a 6.5% sampling error?

[Bubzer]

19. That would depend on the level of confidence you want in your result (Which is also not listed).

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If you want a 99% confidence level, you'll need at least 393 people.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

41. It's a sham. An HRC organizational scam. Not saying Hill was in any way directly involved.

[LanternWaste]

48. You have of course, objective evidence to support that premise, yes?

It's a sham. An HRC organizational scam.

You have of course, objective evidence to support your premise, yes? Or (and I find this a wee bit more likely) your allegation was arrived at by little more than guess-work and bias-confirmation...

[Cha]

11. KICK! Dems love Clinton more than Sanders

Thank you, Freddie~

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

42. So quick to drink the Kool-aid. No skepticism in your bunch.

[LanternWaste]

47. I like to call people who take a poll at face value...

I like to call people who take a poll at face value which doesn't validate my own biases "kool-aid drinkers" too. It's just so convenient when lacking mental discipline or simply overcome with bias.


That said, I'm breathlessly waiting the same indictments from you in regards to polls which allow Sanders more favorables than his opponent.

[Cha]

66. All you have are stupid insults.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

67. Just being honest. n/t

[Cha]

68. No you're not.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

70. Yep.

[Cha]

71. Not even close.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

72. Number #74 on my ignore list.

[Cha]

73. Wonderful Good NEWS! Thank you!

[LibDemAlways]

12. And George Bush was someone people wanted to have a beer with.

This reminds me of the results of a high school election - always won by the best connected, most well known kid - not necessarily the kid with the best ideas or who would do the best job. Whether or not I or anyone likes Hillary personally makes no difference. It's the platform and past record that matters. On that score - what counts - I'm feeling the Bern.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

50. I always wanted to have a beer with GW. But only if I could bring the pretzels.

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[montex]

18. Biden still included in polls?

I'm very suspicious of the polls after watching them include Joe Biden for every poll in the past 6 months, despite the fact he was never a candidate.

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. K&R

[PatrynXX]

21. Just a poll. Let Mitt Romney know he won

zzz nevermind the source..


one thing I've figured from day 1. She'll probably win 2. She'll win the Nomination by doing what she does. push people around. Did in in 2007-2008 and still doing it. 3. since 2005 I don't consider her a Liberal or Progressive. Her positions all say Conservative except maybe socially centrist. Seeing people vote against their principles for Mittens in 2012 I won't do the same. If we have to vote for a Conservative there's several on the right I agree more than with Hillary. (awkward) seeing dad and I don't get along at all but he's Tea Party. he's not Republican. But again I'd be sending a message if she gets it and I'm voting elsewhere.

[Gamecock Lefty]

22. That's because . . .

She's one of us - a Democrat.

She didn't change just to run for President.

[Doctor_J]

31. She didn't?

She didn't change just to run for President.

Except TPP and gay marriage and charter schools and the Iraq war and being "tough on crime".



You might want to post this over at ihatebernie.com where it will stand uncontested.

[olegramps]

53. You have never changed your mind on al ny issue?

Well, I admit that I have. Especially in regard to marriage only being between a man and women. I have also developed far more understanding of homosexuality as being an in born aspect. I am more pro-police than I am today because of the revelations. I was led to believe that the damn Vietnam war was justified until my eyes were opened to the truth about the Bay of Tonkin. The one that I got right was about the invasion of Iraq because I was informed by a person in the know about the PNAC and their aspirations. Regarding the polls its seems that some on DU are in the same echo chamber that they accuse the Republicans of having in regard to the status of the last election in which they were positive the polls were dead wrong and Romney was a shoe-in.

[frylock]

35. She's one of us

[Gamecock Lefty]

23. And another thing . . .

Someone named Robbins on another thread gave us a warning about the debate tomorrow night - how the MSM will declare Hillary the winner but we'd better not believe it - in so many words. I think this Robbins person is probably still clueless what happened to state and national polls everywhere after that first debate. It didn't quite fit the 'But Our Newfound Buddy Frank Luntz Support Groups All Support Bernie' theory. But I digress.

Of course I can't rely to that ridiculous thread because I'm banned. Boo hoo - banned by a Bernista!

[yallerdawg]

24. I know as a frequenter of political blogs, I definitely like Hillary better!

Thank you, BS supporters!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

43. You seem reasonable enough.

I have wondered this for a LLLLOOOOONNGGG time now.

Why do you pick H over B. And please eliminate the superficial and talk about the important issues of our day.

Please - I'm so damn perplexed. Please shed some light for us slow learners.

[yallerdawg]

54. From the very beginning...

Senator Sanders (I-VT):

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

The Number One issue is to elect a Democrat and defeat the Republican nominee.

It starts with Democratic voters.

You all change this:




Key:

Green - Hillary Clinton, ahead 29 states + 5 shared

Blue - Bernie Sanders, ahead 1 state + 5 shared

Gray - No polling data in last six months, 14 states & D.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

55. That will mosdef change. But we will see what happens together!

[yallerdawg]

57. We will!

And I will wholeheartedly support the Democratic candidate, whoever she might be!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

58. Me too! Whomever that may be!

[yallerdawg]

61. It's changing!

Idaho just went back to Hillary green - only 5 "shared" states left.

It appears Idaho Democrats have made up their minds – Hillary Clinton is their pick for the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, a new Idaho Politics Weekly poll shows.

But Idaho Republicans still don’t know who they want to be their party’s presidential nominee.

And so, as a whole state, there is no favorite candidate, a just-completed survey by Dan Jones & Associates finds.

Clinton, who lost out to President Barack Obama in the 2008 Democratic presidential race, is favored by 55 percent of Idaho Democrats, the new survey shows.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, comes in well behind her among Democrats with 35 percent support. The rest of the Democrats go for other candidates.

http://idahopoliticsweekly.com/politics/691-idaho-democrats-pick-clinton-republicans-still-undecided

[Cosmic Kitten]

25. Misuse of polling data to create a false impression

The poll included 318 *democrats*

The 83% represents 264 people
264 people out of 318 is NOT a VAST
majority of democrats.

Pretending this poll shows that 83%
of ALL democrats is a blatant misuse
of polling data as pro-Hillary propaganda.

A pitiful twisting of statistics to make a
struggling candidate look stronger than she is.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

44. I'm sure you know the value of statistics. Depend on the interpreter.

[onehandle]

26. But what about the CLICKY-CLICKY?

Did they count the CLICKY-CLICKY?

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[Doctor_J]

27. What about indy's and non-teabagger republicans?

What about disengaged voters and new voters?

Another day, another poll from the hillarians.

[getagrip_already]

33. are there any? ;)

Over 50% of republican primary voters support trump/carson. Another (>>?) 15% support cruz/rubio/fiorina.

There isn't much of a moderate wing left. And besides, could you see ANY of the reds who voted for mittens voting for ANY blue?

I doubt it. This election will be about turnout, not candidates. If a block on either side stays home for any reason, they lose.

And I don't care who the red is. Or the blue for that matter. Stay home, you lose.

[frylock]

37. Some 30% of voters are registered as Dems..

and Hillary is going to need every last one of them to vote for her in the GE. Good luck with that.

[Duval]

28. Frankly, I don't believe this poll. The

MSM is attempting to exaggerate Clinton's popularity. Bernie Sanders is a Democrat now. Just saying....

[Beacool]

32. I'm sure that comes as no surprise to anyone.

Hillary has been a Democrat since her early 20s. Sanders became one in NH less than two weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, I know that he "caucused with the Democrats", as his supporters often remind us. It's still not the same thing.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

46. Beacool!

I have nothing but respect for Hillary supporters. I absolutely think they are well meaning Democrats.

Will you please tell me that if Bernie is the nominee that you will vote for him. I, contrary to what I may have said in the heat of battle, WILL vote for the democratic nominee, no matter who that is. Not doing so would be unfathomable and the death of this country. Or maybe I should say the greatly accelerated death of this country.

I know you are very enthusiastic about Hillary, and if Bernie never entered the race maybe I would be too.

Will we all vote for the D nominee? I hope so. There is WAY too much at stake.

[Beacool]

63. Of course I would vote for him.

Unlike many of Sanders' supporters who have spent a considerable amount of time bashing Hillary, I have only made two remarks consistently about Sanders: I don't think that a self described "Democratic Socialist" could win in the g.e.and I also think that to start a presidency at 75 is too old. To be fair, I have also said that Hillary at 69 would be pushing it. Although, since that was Reagan's age when he started his first term, she makes it barely under the line.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

64. Yes, but you have to agree they both beat any republican.

Only time will tell. I will vote for the nominee to crush the repubs and hopefully coattail in a dem controlled senate and a much better balance in the house.

[Javaman]

34. dems more subject to media bombardment of Hillary than Sanders. nt

[frylock]

36. 30% of the electorate loves Clinton more than Sanders.

[bvar22]

39. Gee....thats nice..., but

I'm NOT looking for a new wife, or a new BFF, or even a new pen pal.
I don't care how many Idol Fans "like" any candidate.

I want a Junk Yard Dog that will fight for the Working Class.
That is Bernie....NOT Hillary.

Hillary can hang that poll on her mirror among the other feel goods where it belongs.

[KatyMan]

51. Why doesn't Sanders love Hillary?

</pedant>

[tabasco]

52. Oh great. Another poll.

[SoapBox]

56. Hilarious!

Just wait until voting.

[Joe Chi Minh]

59. Pollsters love their paymasters best of all.

[Ferd Berfel]

62. HEre's their Methodology

I'm not buying this:


The SSRS Omnibus consists of 1,000 random-sample telephone interviews per week, 500
conducted via cell phone and 500 via landline phone, with a minimum of 35 interviews in
Spanish. Calls customarily are made each Wednesday through Sunday to a fully replicated,
stratified, single-stage, RDD sample of landline telephone households and randomly generated
cell phone numbers designed to represent the adult population of the United States. Phone
numbers receive six call attempts over a 10-day period, with a rolling-cross section design that
allows sample to remain active for multiple 5-day waves.
Within each landline household, interviewers ask to speak with the youngest adult male or
female at home; if no person of that gender is at home, interviewers ask to speak with the
youngest adult of the other gender. Cell phone interviews are conducted with the adult answering
the phone.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

65. Yeah, sounds like a total scam.

[GoneOffShore]

69. Didn't ask me.

And whether or not I 'like' Hillary isn't important. It's whether, as a voter, I can trust her.

And I trust her as far as I could throw her.